Is it worth it to build a AR-15 M16A1 replica? Is the cool factor

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>>34852319
I put together what is basically an A4 clone, because I wanted a really easy option for mounting an optic and I was absolutely adamant on a 20 inch barrel.

Fast forward a year, and I regret not building an A1, or at least having used a carry handle upper...but Gov profile A2 barrels suck ass, and I wish I'd have known that as well.

Why the .22-250m

>>34852319
>Is the cool factor worth the cost?
thats an internal question, not an external one.

>caring what a bunch of faggots traps and fedora wearing neckbeards on a vietnamese basket weaving forum think

the real question is can you wait long enough for nodak spud to fill your order

>>34852344

not even close to a A4.

>>34852379
He could always get a Brownell's lower
http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/lower-receivers/ar-15-m16-a1-blemished-lower-receiver-prod107496.aspx

>>34852397
A2 with a flat top upper, fine. /arg/ called it an A4 clone, and the name stuck with me since

How hard is it to build a vietnam era M16 anyways? With as many original parts as possible.

>>34852542
>With as many original parts as possible
You can use the original stocks, grips, and hand guards.

>how hard?
No AR is hard, but an A1 is a spendy adventure.

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>>34852319

>>34852542
Not that hard at all, it's like building any other AR15 (aka like legos). Good luck finding a reasonably priced parts kit though, they've been prived more than what they worth. Now, finding parts for more obscure variants will be a pain in the ass (Specifically the model 607 stock)

Not OP but what would be the best option for building a historical AR (a1, XM177 or CAR15 preferably) build on a budget? It doesn't need to be autistic in it's historical accuracy, just something that has the main features and is fun to shoot.

I just want something to put in my Vietnam era paratrooper bag.

>>34852562
With the exception of the ridge contour in the buttstock, it's perfect.

>>34852397
>>34852507
It's not a clone really because of the MOE grip you have and the A2 handguard instead of the full retard KAC rail. If I wanted to be any more autistic I would say you need a Colt or FN lower receiver, and I would say the trigger group too but giggle switches are hard to get anyway; closest you are going to get are the trigger and selector being cosmetically mil-spec.

A4 style is perfectly apt; the only structural difference between the A2 and A4 is the carrying handle. Everything else is furniture. For example, the Marines issued a number of adjustable stocks with A4's, but that doesn't mean it's an A5 or whatever. It's a replaceable add-on.

>>34852360
Piercing LVL 3+ armor. Planning on doing some armor testing.

>>34852562
Sexy

>>34852319
>Is the cool factor worth the cost?
This is for you to decide.

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>>34852319
>Is the cool factor worth the cost?
Yes.

>>34852344
>>34852397
>>34852724

I'm the guy with the flat top A2. I have my regrets with it, having put it together before I knew what I liked and wanted...so I'm asking for advice:

Do you think it'd be worth it to replace the barrel with a pencil barrel, or should I just build an A1 or something closer to that? Cos what I know I definitely want now is a carry handle upper and a pencil barrel.

>>34853500
ar market is cheap just build one or sell your a4 to fund the a1 build you'll regret building.

>>34853544
>a1 build you'll regret building
Kek. Okay. I'd be fine with A2 style, I just want it to not be so nose heavy because of the gov barrel.

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>>34853544
Pic related bastard rifle is what I want

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>>34852319
I honestly don't know much about AR's, as I spend most of my time dicking around with nuggets.
Anyway I keep seeing "Pre-Ban" ARs on various arms selling sites. What exactly was banned about these? I thought ARs were legal and legit.
http://www.gunbroker.com/item/681955788

About how much would/should it cost to build one?

>>34853609
I've built mine for right at $800. Green Mountain Barrel, NDS Receiver, DPMS parts kits.

>>34853606
It's referring to the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban. It expired in 2004. In that time period ARs and the like weren't allowed to have certain "features" like bayonet lugs and flash hiders. Rifles sold before 1994 were grandfathered in, so they were "pre-ban." You'll see some AKs that are listed as pre-ban as well.

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>>34852319
Do it. I built an A4 clone
>Pic related
and while I love it, an A1 would go better with my poorfag 1980's LBE kit.

Plus it's cool as shit.

>>34853606
They were banned during the AWB anon

>>34853690
thats a classy rug anon

>>34853593
purists will whine, but i like it, desu senpai senpai
are we still doing that shit?

>>34853793
it really ties the room together

>>34852507

It doesn't even have a KAC rail

>>34853690
what brand carry handle is that and where can i get it

>>34852724
>A4 style is perfectly apt; the only structural difference between the A2 and A4 is the carrying handle

A4's dont have A2 handguards, and they come from the factory with a KAC rail, which this doesnt have.


only thing that makes it remotely close to a A4 is the removable carry handle.

>>34853841
Carry handle is actually Del-Ton. got it on sale but they go for 80 bucks or some such. Its pretty good. I have one thats mil issue on my M4 clone and you cant really tell the difference (except for the fact that my mil one is beat to shit)

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>>34852319
You could get a colt sp1. Literally a colt lower and upper from the NAM era. You could also then buy a real m16a1 kit online where it gives you surplus a1 uppers with the tear drop forward assist and furniture, it just doesn't come with the barrel.

>pic related

70's colt sp1

>>34853593
I literally built that exact rifle, but with an A2 birdcage instead of the prongs.

>>34852319

http://www.txmgo.com/index.php/shop/guns/product/101-semi-auto-m16a1-replica


to save you some trouble

>>34853815
It's sexy and has what I now know I want. I think I better start saving up. I especially dig that grip, kind of remimds me of a VZ58 grip.

>>34854306
How do you like it?

>>34853500
Might as well build a new upper since you're replacing both the receiver and the barrel. I would say keep the upper you have now. You never know when you'll want to put an optic on. And what's nice about the AR platform, other, newer rifles boast about quick change barrels. Nigga the AR 15 is a quick change upper receiver.

Keep in mind the difference between A1 and A2 receivers. The A1 only has adjustments for azimuth. The A2 has that (well of course it does, so you can zero the damn thing) and also has a quick adjust for different ranges your target is at.

When you build, don't worry about most of it. Spend your money on the BCG and the barrel. If you find a barrel that's 2MOA it's more accurate than you are until you're shooting with a 4x or higher optic. As far as the BCG goes, cheap ones just wear out faster. Find a nitride-finished one.

>>34853847
Read the rest of the paragraph. The KAC rails are drop-ins. They come with the rifle but don't define it like a free-float rail would, since free-floats are attached by a completely different barrel nut. Furniture is an accessory, not a defining feature.

If I took my issued M4A1, for instance, and replaced the rail with some old-style polymer ones, I didn't suddenly create an M4A1E1 or M4A2

>>34854832
Thanks. I'd go with the A2 upper, just because I like the idea of fine adjustments for my own use, even though there are arguments against it in a military setting.

So splurge on the barrel and bolt group?

>>34852562
left handers need to be genocided

>>34854867
I wouldn't say splurge, but that's where you don't accept cheapo shit. Those are the actually important parts for function, really in the entire rifle, if I had to pick a handful of parts. The barrel is what makes it accurate, for the most part. InRangeTV has a good interview series with Faxon over barrel manufacture that I recommend. The bolt group with a shitty finish will wear out and deteriorate, and parts can break up or even seize if they're that bad. If you go for standard brands like BCM you won't be steered wrong.

And I don't know what arguments you've heard in a "military setting". The Army and Marines are the ones who adopted the A2's rear sight, and issue the Matech adjustable sight that you have in your original pic.

>>34854867
>arguments against in a military setting?
Says anyone who only served in the military post 2003.

Armies have and continue to use irons for the reasons that they are
>reliable
Never run out of battery
>tough
They'll hold zero and you can bash around with them
>useful
Dial that shit out to 300 and you're good. Optics can hinder you in certain situations

Still wondering why gov't profile barrels are everywhere. Who is mounting grenade launchers on their AR?

>>34856567
Are you not?

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>>34855965
>Dial that shit out to 300 and you're good.
Yes, it actually forces the bullet to go faster to achieve those ranges.

>>34852549
>>34852542
>>34852570
See if you can order ARMSCOR stuff online.

>>34852319
>Is the cool factor worth the cost?

Yes.

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>>34852562
GOAT service rifle upper coming through

>>34854832
>not being able to shoot sub-MOA at 100 yards with A1 irons

>>34858236
Do you wish for a Nuclear Winter?

Go for it.
It is a light and handy rifle with which to get 5.56 hauling ass.
The balance with a pencil profile barrel and 20 round mag is amazing. Feels like you're wearing nothing at all.
Kits are crazy expensive compared to what they were years ago but a time machine is more expensive so don't be a bitch over $300.
Nodak has great lowers and the wait will seem less if you order RIGHT NOW AT THIS VERY MOMENT so get on that. McKay also occasionally makes xmgrey a1 lowers that are pretty good. The finish isn't quite as nice on the nds and they made a slight fuck up on the profile around the buffer tube but it is good enough if you aren't autistic about detail.

>>34858251
I wish people would stop asking me that

>>34852724

People get too hung up on details when they clone shit. I've seen A2 uppers on A1 lowers with carbine stocks. It all gets reused, kludged back together, then sent to Ft Jackson so a DS can throw it in a swamp to teach POGs important life lessons.

I was thinking about making a clone of the rifle I had in BCT but I didn't know where I could find A2 parts with 90% of the finish gone, that rattled like my first car, and jammed every fourth shot.

>>34852319
>LVL 3 AR500
Don't bother after that was found out everyone started switching to lvl 3+, only a retard would stick with ordinary level 3 ar500

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>>34854867
>>34855027
Story time, I went the cheap route on a barrel one time and ended up returning it. It was one of them Nitride barrels and after 100rds the chamber became so filthy I couldnt even chamber a round. So I would have to pull out my cleaning kit and give it a quick scrub then it worked for another 100rds and the same thing again, it would short stroke often also because of the added resistance. Whether it was due to the nitride finish or just a badly cut chamber I have no idea, but it turned me off enough to never order anything but name brand cheome lined barrels again.
Now this wears a 1/12 Green Mountain barrel and havent had a single issue, its pretty damn accurate with xm193

>>34854952
Is this bait?

>>34860804
I planned on going with chrome lined anyway, just because we all know for over 70 years that chrome lining works great, and nitride is a new thing I don't want to roll the dice on. Just like militaries tend to be, I like staying a generation behind with things I'm absolutely certain will work.

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A1's are so light and sexy, almost everyone who shoots it expects is to be much heavier than their m4gery

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>>34854289

>no magazine fencing...
>but the XM16E1 didn't either

>>34860819
you sound sinister

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>>34858701

They never will. Just embrace it.

>>34853829
That's just like your opinion man

>>34861714
Chick lean to the max. Unfuck yourself faggot.

>>34864006
What point are you trying to make?

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>>34852319
Yes.
Granted, I built mine when M16A1 kits were under $500,
but honestly I still think it's worth it,
more so than those overpriced clones that Colt is going to release.