>five shots >FIVE >SHOTS Why do people still think

>>34851199
Somebody told me I should get a CZ P0 whatever because the capacity of my P30 is too low.

>>34851199
Because most people aren't expecting or planning to get into a full on shootout.

>>34851199
Because you only need 1 well placed shot to stop someone. I know alot of old school shooters still carry J frames, and they shoot them just as well as an automatic

>>34851199
Cause I can stick my chief special in my ankle holster and a nice back up to my EDC
>which is a Walther P99c

>>34851199
>revolver
>has 5 shots
>needs only one to stop someone

>pistol
>has 17 shots
>needs 8 to stop someone

>>34851455
This is a meme. Pistols typically only have around a 30% one shot incpacitation rate, and even then, incapacitation does not mean instant incapacitation. The human body can survive for 10-12 seconds with a hole in the heart before collapsing from oxygen depravation and bloodloss. Adrenaline means most people that see the shot coming don't even feel it until after the fight. In fact, there are plenty of videos of the defender, or criminal being shot in the chest multiple times, running, off, then dying on the way out.

Any decent gun in a decent caliber 380acp or above is viable for self defense, but you should still understand and accept the shortcomings of your gun. As long as you're practiced and confident, you'll do fine. I carry a Ruger SP101 with critical defense 357s because best cartridge with best record, but I still accept that capacity is a flaw.

>>34851455
>>34851476
These small J-Frames fire .38 Special. You can't stop someone in one shot with .38 Special.

>>34851199
Because it's better to carry a little gun with few rounds and have it when you need it than leave the full size duty gun and your 4 spare magazines and truck gun with plate carrier at home. It's because we live in the real world and most people will never actually need their gun, need to fire it or fire more than a handful of shots?

>>34851455

This is a meme that only people who have never fired their weapon in anger would recite.

Watch any surveillance videos where someone has to use a firearm in self defense, and you'll see that you simply don't have time to line up a well placed shot.

It's mostly spray and pray, and hoping for the best.

I swear to god you airsoft faggots should kill yourselves.

>>34851655
>You can't stop someone in one shot with .38 Special.

Mind if I try it on you, m8?

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>>34851655

>You can't stop someone in one shot with .38 Special.

>>34851199
>implying there aren't 7-8 shot 38/357 revolvers

>>34851708

Implying that you would ever carry a revolver that size for EDC.. Idiot.

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>>34851475
MY NIGGA

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>>34851199
Hush Op

>>34851672
Edgelord detected

>>34851764

What triggered you, snowflake? The part about you being an airsoft faggot?

>>34851655
You took the bait. Don't do that.

>>34851655
Kek. I can't tell when the memes go too far or not. Regardless there are still .357 models, that give a slight performance boost over +p .38

>>34851672
>Every self defense shooting is like some hypothetical situation I've made up in my head
Are you even old enough to own firearms?

>>34851776
Yeah, but who'd want to shoot .357 out of a snub, particularly a lightweight one?

>>34851786

At 32 I would hope so.

>>34851800
>>34851672
Right, if you're not packing a pistol with at least a 15 round capacity and two reloads you're fucking retarded. Even then, that's the minimum, I usually also have a .380 as back up with two reloads

>>34851797
It's for self defense, it's not like you're gonna be shooting cases of it at a time.

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>>34851824

I carry a G17 IWB at 6'o'clock. It's fine.

Next.

>>34851670
This
1000x this
>11/10 good sir

>>34851835
But you get barely more velocity than .38

MoFo I carry a six shot .32L revolver.

I'm willing to bet my life I can stop every potential robber that isn't completely strung out in 3 shots.

The those others I've got 3 more rounds and a knife.

>>34851862
>barely more velocity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wDLjY5JSs

>>34851862
Yah I know, I'm just saying it's doable tho. It's still highly lethal however with proper shot placement

>>34851199
I love my 442. It has a lot of power. It could kill somebody.

Seriously though. I used to carry my G19 until I inherited my grandfather's 442. If I can't stop a "I fear for my life" moment with 5 38 +P, then I finally get to meet Jesus and my troubles will be over. I also don't plan on getting into a lengthy gun battle. I'll use my 5 rounds to break contact back to my car housing my G19 with a factory 33 and call for backup.

>>34851199
>thinking you're going to be laying down suppressing fire with your 30 round stendo clip in a self-defense scenario.

>>34851864
What kind of ammo you carry in it Buffalo Bore? Not alot of .32 L options out there

>>34851199
Because for the better part of 40 years most people did, in fact, carry small capacity firearms and managed to not all die. Believe it or not, before those pocket guns even existed, people still managed to not all die of muggings.

Reminder that .25 ACP and .32 were both considered perfectly acceptable pocket rounds back in the early half of the 20th century, and many of those shitty pocket guns were single-stacks of negligible power by today's 9mm and .40 S&W and .45 ACP high-end JHP loads.

>>34851672
fuck off with your reddit spacing

>>34851864
>.32L revolver
A buddy of mine has a .32L revolver. We see what kind of silly shit we can get the rounds to bounce off of, like milk jugs and water bottles. .177 and .22 cal pellet rifles have better penetration. I hope you plan on shooting for the eyes or mouth.

>>34851745

>he fell for the revolvers are more dependable meme

>>34851908

Fuck off with your uneducated nigger brain. Anyone with even a basic level of education will avoid a wall of text, so everything becomes easier to read.

Any other bullshit, off-topic arguments you want to present?

>>34851908
Fuck off with this

Shitty


Meme

>>34851919
>wall of text
it's 4 short sentences

>>34851864
>.32L


lol...why.

>>34851925

https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/606/01/

Stay uneducated, you piece of shit.

>>34851919
it's 4 sentences that deal with the same topic
>>34851921
kill yourself redditor

>>34851824

You regularly carry two pistols and 4 backup mags? In what world do you see yourself ever using any more than one backup mag?

You sound like a legitimate nut.

>>34851937

Way to go off-topic.. What's the matter? You had nothing further to add, so you instead went into full shitpost mode?

Fucking Tumblr snowflake.

>>34851199
Because 5 is enough to matter.

Statistically, a very tiny segment of known successful Defensive Gun Use reach the point of an actual discharged firearm, fewer still exceeding 2 fired shots.

I'd personally want a bit more capacity just for peace of mind, but I can see why someone would be comfortable carrying a .38 Special snub, it does what it needs to.

>>34851476
.38 Special from a snub revolver barrel is pretty meek when compared to full-sized 9mm.
Not that it can't do it's magic anyway.

>>34851504
>Pistols typically only have around a 30% one shot incpacitation rate, and even then, incapacitation does not mean instant incapacitation

Absolutely true, but consider also that "I have a gun" or demonstrating this practically, is a very reliable method to make a Jamal or Hector go 'NOPE!' as he does a 360 and moonwalks away.
Further, in cases where this doesn't work and you shoot at him, a couple of possibilities will unfold.
He could actually collapse and basically die on the spot, not the likeliest from a handgun but it's plausible.
He could realize he's now injured, either deciding to run away before more injury happens, or possibly surrender in the hopes that you'll call 911 (probably more likely in home invasions than street muggings).
Or that you miss, but he realizes "Oh fuck, I almost got shot" or "Oh fuck, he wasn't bluffing" then run away, because fuck getting shot, mang.
These can all happen if there's groups of assailants, likeliest outcome is that they all run once the shooting starts, if someone is hit, they can often be abandoned.

But then there's the chance that he's shot but doesn't notice right away, or doesn't notice at all, either because adrenaline, or because he's high off his balls on something, this is probably the likeliest scenario where you would have to shoot an assailant numerous times, as he doesn't enter a flight response and doesn't respond to pain.
An encounter like this is likelier in some areas, and less likelier in others. The idea of something like this happening is why I'd personally feel more comfortable with a 4" .357 revolver or a full sized 9mm, even though I know that my odds for it happening are quite low, and even though I know this might not actually substantially alter my odds if it does happen.

J frame .357 is my inside the house carry gun

>>34851199
The only unacceptable carry gun is the gun they aren't comfortable carrying and haven't trained with. As long as they know how to properly use their firearm I don't care if it's a Ruger LCR in 22lr, or an AR pistol.

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Gun's not just about shootin. It's about reloadin.

>>34851199
If you can't get it done with five then your into spray and pray in which case i wouldnt count on another 10 closing the deal

>>34852115
> "it"

Implying universality across all self defense scenarios

>>34851199
I just shot an Airweight today. It was actually quite controllable and pleasant shooting even with my large hands. Very accurate too with a buttery smooth trigger and simple sights.

I immediately saw the appeal for its use in pocket carry. No need to throw on your holster, duty belt, and gun. Just toss your pocket holster and Airweight into your pocket and go.

The Ruger LCP I tried was not so nice. The trigger wasn't as smooth and it tended to jump loose of my grasp. The sights seemed harder to acquire. I tolerated shooting it and immensely preferred the Airweight.

For normal IWB/OWB carry I would certainly get something with more capacity.

Honestly, I just carry a revolver so I don't have to pick up casings later.

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eight shots

>>34851945
did you know that the word "gullible" isnt in the dictionary?

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>>34852113
>tfw we could've had a modern top-break but politics killed it

>>34852168
>It was actually quite controllable and pleasant shooting even with my large hands.

Were you shooting standard pressure? I hear lightweight snubs like the 642 or LCR can be a handful with +P.

>>34852168
I carry an M&P 340 in my pocket all the time, but I like to have a kydex pocket holster so the orientation of the gun is more predictable

>>34851849
Pls no, 6oclock carry = snap city when you fall down bud, carry at like 5 or 7

>>34851446
why even carry then
so you can shoot the guy that calls you a fatass neet?

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I can understand people who carry a revolver, but why not carry something steel with an external hammer?

Those alloy guns can't be very durable in the long run, among other things.

>>34852219
Weight and hammers can snag when drawing from a pocket.

And unless you're a Jerry Michlek tier shooter, I bet most alloy guns will take the round count most people will put through them ok.

>>34852193
Yea standard pressure, I don't remember the weight though. To put it another way, I could easily see myself, with a .38 Airweight, outshooting and shooting more than with an LCP. It just felt better to me. The ease of carrying was appealing as well.

>>34852205
I've never even heard of the M&P 340, I'll take a look. So far I'm not impressed with slim gripped small automatics.

>>34852250
>not impressed by small autos

That's the same reason I chose it over a 42 or anything else as my BUG. I got the 340 because I like carrying magnums and it's available without the internal lock

>>34851199
lel, because its a game of chances and odds.

the odds you will ever need a gun to defend yourself are extremely miniscule. the odds you will ever need to actually shoot it are even smaller since most conflicts are resolved with the mere presentation of the gun. then the odds you will ever need more than 5 rounds are even smaller yet, since most self defense encounters are over in 1-3 shots fired because someone is taken out of the fight or the nog runs away

now for something you carry every single fuckign day doing every fucking activity you do, its a trade off for the risk. so 5rd snubbies make great carry pieces because of their weight and size and are more than adequate for 99.999999% of the situations you will never even get yourself in

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>>34851956
that's some fake ass news there anon

>Dude a kills dindu with 3 shots successfully
>Dude b fails to self defend against horde of 15 dindus with 12 shots

Hey guys statistically you're more likely to be successful with fewer shots! Ban 10 round mags!

>>34852207

I know what you mean, but the holster is split between a spare mag and the pistol. The pistol ends up near 5'o'clock and the spare mag near 7'o'clock. My spine should survive.

Thanks for the friendly warning, though.

>>34851875

Carry a speedloader or speed strip at least.

Revolvers make sense in the winter since the action can't be jammed by firing in clothing and you can get really heavy calibers if you are in bear/moose/hog country. Plus incredible simple operation, and a few spring change to drop DA to something more like 7-8lbs.

>>34851504
Nonsense. Large studies of defensive shootings have time and again shown that an average of 1.3 shots from ANY handgun caliber is sufficient to stop an attacker. 5 shots is plenty, unless you're a dumbass who can't shoot worth shit. And if your aim is that bad... Well, I'd prefer you to miss your target with as few bullets as possible, considering that innocent bystanders are a thing.

That said, I use a semi-auto pistol, mostly because I fucking hate revolvers. Just can't stand them. The whole aesthetic just bothers me. So ugly! So clunky! So Fat! Gimme a nice sleek semi-auto any day. Of mine shot only five rounds I guess that'd be okay... But I like that it holds ten. Fewer mag swaps makes for more fun at the range.

>>34852274
Yea that's a good reason, .357 Mag is kickass. But I would probably side with the .38 Airweight for the controllability (and price).

Are you also a gorilla handed guy?

>>34852179
Move the drum to the rear and get an extra 4 inches of barrel length without adding mass. Bullpup revolvers when?

>>34852315
Cool strawman, you fucking faggot.

My argument was not "You don't need more", my argument was "it's enough to matter in most situations".
Whether you want more is up to you, but statistically you'd probably only use a little of it, if that.

I say this as someone who wouldn't hesitate to carry a fullsized Beretta 92

>>34852398
I used to load it with .38 +p's, but yeah the price of the gun itself is quite a bit higher than the airweights. My hands are just medium, but the ergos/shootability weren't what really made my decision between pocket .380 and snubby. I didn't like the fact that all pocket .380's are picky about ammo, generally more prone to failure, have lower round count potential compared to a revolver, and I also was nervous that the magazine could get ejected inside my pocket as much as I bump into stuff throughout the day

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Lightweight snubs aren't so bad with the right grip. However, I wouldn't shoot +P out of them.

It might just be a problem with the LCR, but Hogue's LCR grips have this hump on them where the web of your hand goes.

When you shoot a stout +P the recoil transfers through the hump and stings the web of my hand. Not very pleasant.

Not an issue with standard .38 Special.

>>34852315
>pic
I laughed

I don't want my weapon failing to cycle cause it caught my clothes or going out of battery because of a contact shot. I also want to pocket carry with a round in the chamber safety off. What other options do I have besides a snub nose? A double action micro pistol like a tomcat? Asking for reals here

>>34852388
> Large studies of defensive shootings have time and again shown that an average of 1.3 shots from ANY handgun caliber is sufficient to stop an attacker.

Under two critically important circumstances: 1-shots are most often purely psychological stops, and 1-shots are sufficient when the gunfire is solely from the defender.

When both sides have a gun, or psychological stops are not in effect, magazine capacity is the most important factor in staying alive.

>>34852567
Says no scientific study ever.

>>34852540
I carry an LCP pocket carry with one in the pipe 7+1. It can go out of battery and is a little slow to draw. Other than that it's a sweet pocket piece

>>34851199
if you cant drop someone in five shots you're doing it wrong

>>34852315
>a pack of wild niggers won't start running as soon as a gun comes out

Yea, ok.

>>34852635
I know, right? The odds of a pack of attackers just keeping on coming once a pistol gets brandished or fired are infinitesimally remote. This shit is a zombie fantasy.

>>34851455
>old school shooters
I had to read that twice because I misinterpreted it the first time

>>34852671
I think you'd basically have to have blundered into a meth shack/trailer, or be the opposing member of an ongoing gang war.

Preying on others as a career criminal is generally a game of assessing risk/reward, and the majority of these people would deem it not worth the risk 99% of the time. They pick targets where they don't think they will be armed, they avoid people they know are armed, and will often err on the side of caution if they think you MIGHT be armed.
I mean would you risk your life for a reward that might be worth little to nothing? That's a shit deal.

Of course, if you do get three dudes breaking into your house, nothing will stop them dead in their tracks like a full length AR15 rifle.

>>34852182
This Anon gets it

>>34851446
this, they see it just as much as a fashion piece as for self defense. Which is fine from that standpoint because revolvers are aesthetic as fuck

>>34852388
Sure, they may be stopped with one or two shots; after the 10 seconds they're still killing you for.

Do not underestimate adrenaline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ClstuTYGFE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjTNFYbDLJQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0R5Wqvwo-8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDmi8sMeC5I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9okwi-4ouRw

There are also a number of one shot stops in the channel. A trend I notice here and elsewhere is one shot stops almost always come from surprise unless they're headshots.

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>>34853224

This. I keep telling people that the whole "just get one well placed shot" meme has to go.. Keep firing until the threat is gone.

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Theres nothing wrong with a revolver for self defense.

But at least have .357mag instead of .38 special.

>>34851199
Becauae it's their fucking choice you noguns weeb.

>>34853372
Most people shoot center mass. I was trained to shoot a lowercase "t" starting under the chin and ending 2 inches below center mass. Center mass shots are reliable ways to kill, but they take valuable time for them to bleed out from their wounds. Shoot someone in the windpipe in a shootout and they will be out of action in seconds due to lack of oxygen. Adrenaline means nothing when you can't breathe. It only makes them pass out faster.

>ctrl + f "Bernard Goetz"
>no results found

How has he not been mentioned in the last 90 posts? For those of you who do not know who he is, look him up. The case he was involved in is extremely relevant to what's being discussed in this thread.

Also, while greater capacity is of course always a positive, it needs to balanced against size and weight. It is the same reason that many people opt for a Glock 43 (which holds only 2 more bullets than a J-frame and one more than a Colt DS) over a 19.

>>34853471
.357 Mag out of a snub seems excessive in terms of muzzle blast, noise and recoil

>>34853471
With a snubbie it doesn't matter bro

>>34853507
Yes it does. Even out of a snubbies, .357 will expand more consistently than .38 special

>>34853517
Get softpoint bullets in +p loads bro

>>34853524
.38spc +p is still well below the pressure of.357 mag

>>34853507
I've seen 357 hit 1300 out of 2.5in barrels. Depends on the individual gun. My friend has a 3 inch 686 he carries and his underwood ammo hits 1500 out of it.

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>>34853498

It's a good starting point, but the rule is "shoot center of AVAILABLE mass". You can't hit a guy's heart if he's halfway behind a wall.

There are obvious kill zones (head, heart, lungs), but you're primarily looking to end the threat, not necessarily the life of the one that's attacking you.

Other than that I agree with you.

>>34853507
Do you not realize that you're spouting fuddlore?

>>34853542
>>34853548
LIES .38 SPECIAL IS JUST AS GOOD AS .357 FAGNUM RREEEE

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>38 spc

>>34853580
>Hornady

>>34851199
Ignore everyone else. Some states limit the number of rounds in semis and pin mags at 5 or 7 anyway. May as well get a better looking more fun piece that IS more reliable than a semi to begin with. Run into a bad round and you have to manually clear it in a semi, revolver will cycle past.

>>34853580
>intentionally choosing a 90 grain load that is marketed towards women as being representative of .38 Special

2/10.

>>34853498
which is why center mass shots puncture lungs.
i work with a guy that puts his thumb over his trache hole to smoke. you can do just fine with a hole in your wind pipe. not so much with a hole in your lung.

but thanks for playing!

>>34853592
>hangfire
>just pull the trigger again bro
>revolver cylinder explodes along with your hand

>>34853621
>letting your ammunition get wet

>>34853615
A shot to the windpipe with a hollow point will collapse it. Thanks for playing! You need to shoot both lungs to take them out of action, and even then lungs are resilient. Shoot one of them? They still have another. Shoot the windpipe and they are done.

You see people getting shot in the lungs and living all the time. Getting shot in the throat and living? Not so much.

>>34851742
Why... would you make that your wallet?

>>34853641
While I do agree that the throat is a great place to shoot because there's just a ton of important shit there like gigantic blood vessels, airways, and the spine, it's not really feasable to aim for it, and if you have that luxury, might as well go for the head anyway. Futhermore, as demonstrated earlier, people can survive without their heart pumping, which is the FASTEST way to stop oxygen from reaching the brain for enough time to finish killing you, and you think just stopping them from breathing is enough when their blood is still cycling through the oxygen remaining in their body?

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>>34852248
>most alloy guns
But that's the point. Too many instances of lightweight kaboom. Most are fine but there's always that slight chance. It happens far less with steel. The one great advantage of revolvers is reliability, but even that fades away with these guns.

>>34851655
If you shoot them in the head you can.

>>34853698
>Scandium frame with a titanium cylinder

Only idiots buy these. The most common alloy guns are aluminum with steel cylinders, and those have 60 years of beta testing and product development under their belt.

>>34853698
>lightweight kaboom

What loads were being shot in these? I suspect a great deal of kabooms are either shitty reloads or cheap blasting ammo with poor qc/qa that was out of spec.

ITT:
>people who think there aren't 7 shot .357 mag revolvers the same size as old six shooters
>people who think .38 spc is weak, 9mm is perfectly fine, and .357 mag offers no benefits
>people who think 1 bullet is enough to stop any threat, or that 15 plus 2 spare mags is the bare minimum
>revolvers are just as unreliable as autoloaders
>people who think any of those are fool proof arguments for or against either weapon type
This gel-test generation needs to be put back in the oven for a little bit. Still way too squishy.

>>34851199
Most civilian gun fights are three shot. Not 15, not 30. If you haven't properly trained with your weapon of choice, and can't hit the target with one or two shots, you watch too much TV.

Larp, operate moar.

>>34853998
As it has been said many times, the problem is 2 to 3 shots is not guaranteed to immediately stop your attacker.

Shot placement, caliber power, and gun type are all memes. Everything has its advantages and disadvantages. Everything will fail in certain situations. There are far too many variables in the real world to talk about stats on paper. Pick what you want as long as you can justify it by its advantages over other choices. Just hope you aren't unlucky enough to fall into one of those sure failure situations.

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>>34851199
>implying I don't cc 8 rounds of .357 Magnum Dong in a 5in. barrel for killing 2-8 nogs per reload

>>34853998
>Most civilian gun fights are three shot
Most. Not all. I would like a little more than 2 rounds of wiggle room.

>can't hit the target with one or two shots, you watch too much TV.

You watch to much TV if you think your grouping on a fixed target during a relaxed day on the range is going to carry over to a moving target that shoots back.

>>34854049
>You watch to much TV if you think your grouping on a fixed target during a relaxed day on the range is going to carry over to a moving target that shoots back.

Have you watched any liveleak footage of actual defensive gun usages? As the other guy said, it's almost always 3 shots in 3 seconds at 3 feet. Remember that the total number of shots fired =/= the number of shots in which the incident was actually resolved.

>>34853498
>Shoot someone in the windpipe in a shootout and they will be out of action in seconds due to lack of oxygen
That'll actually take longer than bleeding out unless you hit the spinal cord at the same time.

>>34853471
>buying in to the "carrying a .357 mag for the round per round performance but in a 3" or less revolver" meme
1" of barrel for 250fps

>>34853636
>wut?

>>34853641
>"Shoot the windpipe and they are done. "
lol

>>34853621
>IMPLYING

>>34854079
I've seen dozens of videos of people getting shot center mass and still going because of adrenaline on Bestgore. The videos I see of people shot in the neck/throat are always out of action and they are on the ground choking on their own blood almost instantly.

The heart can still pump blood through the body when shot. The lungs can still work after being shot. The windpipe cannot. There are so many cases of people dying in fights because they got hit in the throat and their windpipe collapsed.

>>34854068
Ive watched lots of them I just dont trust the words "almost always" or "usually"

>>34851199
Just get an Ruger Redhawk 8-shot, bro

>>34851199
Because a carry gun is just a pacifier for adults. It gives them a feeling of safety and comfort. Most of them never have to use it.

>>34852212
There's no need to carry. I used to carry before I realized it was just an inconvenience in preparation for something that would never happen.

>>34854212
Where can I find one

>>34853580
will you let me shoot you with one?

>>34853471
Magnum out of a snub is kind of harsh and has a steeper learning curve for most people.

If you consider that snubs are sort of lighter, the lighter recoiling .38 Special seems pretty suitable, and there's some pretty impressive defensive loadings in .38 Special, if you want much more penetration then Lehigh makes a bunch of different copper wonders, and just regular +P JHP loads have been shown to be pretty decent performers.

>>34851797
>>34851862
>>34851868
>>34853506
>>34853507
>>34853517
>>34853566
You can get quite a lot more velocity with the right loads, but flash, noise and recoil remains, I would only suggest carrying a .357 Magnum snubbie to someone with pretty decent experience and who's willing to adapt to it, not being able to handle your gun can be really bad in an emergency.

>>34854199
>the videos I see of people shot in the neck/throat are always out of action and they are on the ground choking on their own blood almost instantly.
Presumably because they frequently hit the spine.

>The heart can still pump blood through the body when shot.
Not really. Trauma like that is likely to send it into an ineffectual arrhythmia which combined with having a huge hole in it pretty much keeps it from pumping blood in anything approaching an acceptable or effective manner if at all.

>The lungs can still work after being shot
Generally speaking they don't. A puncture wound to the lungs typically results in a pneumothorax. This causes the lung to collapse and become useless.

>the windpipe cannot
TBQH there isn't anything like pressure differentials or electrically/chemically mediated contractions a windpipe has to do so a shot which perfectly hit's it and only it would likely only stop respiration by introducing blood into the airway and lungs. Otherwise you could breath through the hole.

On the one hand im not a doctor but on the other hand I do know a fair amount about anatomy & physiology from my time in college. Most of what you've said sounds like fuddlore

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>>34853580
>90gr
>lite

>>34852784
I didn't misinterpret it until i saw your poast gdi

>>34854315
>zero expansion
>18" of pen
If i was ok with that kind of performance then id just carry a .380 with ball ammo and be done with it

>literally every single encounter needs a 15-round mag dump
>t. cop

>>34854225
I carry a .22lr pistol with one in the chamber, ten in the mag, not so much for defensive use against humans, but for aggressive dogs. I have a young kid. Dogs tend to jump at young kids. Most of them are just being playful, and we've been fortunate that none has been anything more than mildly aggressive, but should we get unlucky and some shitty dog decided to eat my kid it's going to get shot a bunch of times before it takes a second bite. Humans I don't worry about so much. Most can be managed with words or basic hand to hand skills.

>>34854315
>intentionally showing shitty loads on extremes of the spectrum
Critical defense 110gr gets 12-14" of penetration consistently.

>>34851908
this is the worst meme
stop

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>>34851730

>>34851730
I literally know someone who CCs a 3in 686

>>34854400
actually i see all kinds of shitty dogs with people taking their walks. always obedience problems and occasionally fights with other dogs. chomping on tiny humans is not out of the question for these things.

>>34854454
>>34854511

Well shit.. I stand corrected!

>>34853224
protect your ASP!

>>34851199
-becouse you dont need to unload the gun to save the spring.
-you could put the revolver loaded somewhere fpr years and it would still function.
-no jamming
-more powerfull rounds

>>34854400
You have a point. Fortunately, I don't have many dog problems.

>>34853224
makes sense. one stop shot is central nervous system, center line. An unknowing target makes it easier. We instinctively angle our bodies to an attacker, largely preventing center line shots.

>>34851199
Because most real life self-defense situations don't involve prolonged gun battles, if you're actually worried about magazine capacity you're either delusional or need to fucking relocate ASAP

>>34851730

5'10 king manlet bodybuilder here, my wide shoulders drape my polos over the rest of my body, I can carry a god damn AK under the shoulder and it would not be very visible.

>>34851896

As a matter of fact, .32acp was considered an acceptable man stopper, so much in fact, that after it was used in WW2, it quickly became the standard side arm pistol caliber for European police officers.

Idiots still haven't figured it out even with all the data out there, Pistol Calibers hardly make a difference in wounds. They all would very similarly, not enough to make a big difference.

The only time pistol caliber matters is when we're dealing with penetration against cover, but even then, what matters most in that situation is if it's FMJ vs HP.

>>34854884
>what matters most in that situation is if it's FMJ vs HP
Oh are you one of those people who dont realize that most HP performs like FMJ post cover and that most FMJ isn't exactly bonded? JHPs can be paradoxically better at penetrating hard barriers than FMJ.

>>34854701
I'll bite.

>unload the gun to save the spring
lol
>you could put the revolver loaded somewhere fpr years and it would still function
and a semi-auto won't?
>no jamming
lol
>more powerfull rounds
Assuming you're using .357, i'll give you this one. Is it powerful enough to justify 5-6 rounds? That's up to you I guess.

The "revolvers never jam" meme needs to stop. Revolvers can jam and if they jam you're in trouble, at least with a semi-auto you can tap-rack or swap magazines to fix 99% of issues. I fully respect revolvers as a valid self-defense option, especially snubbies for easy concealment and style points, but that compactness comes at a cost, just like compact semi-autos. Personally, I would prefer having more rounds available should I ever need it.

>>34853580

>90 grain
>hornady
>lite round made for women

You know your argument is shit when you have to resort to lies and tricks, so why even bother defending something you know is a lie to begin with?

Put a +p 158 grain in there.
I use an ever better load, 165 grain wadcutters

>>34851824
>not carrying 4 guns so you don't have to reload

Ask me how I know you are retarded

>>34853950

The only anon with a brain in the whole thread ladies and gentlemen.

>>34855072
>do you have enough problem solvers, king of dindus?

>>34854039

FKN noice m8.

I personally carry the 627 when I feel I'm going to a dangerous neighborhood. Otherwise the airweight in 38 is enuff

>>34851199
Because the average number of shots fired in a self-defense shooting is 2-3 rounds, meaning 5 is double what you're statistically likely to need.

There are a lot of people on /k/ who think that magazine capacity and "stopping power" are acceptable substitutes for being able to reliably hit what you're aiming at.

>>34854956

Apparently I am. Explain to me how a JHP can penetrate hard barriers more than a FMJ.

I'm not trying to be passive aggressive here, but perhaps all my years of engineering and studying my hobbies have failed me.

What I am though, is one of those people who know that Hollow Point is an OVER exagerated meme. They have their place, but FMJ has been killing people fine. For worrying about over penetration HP's are undoubtedly better. But if you're not worried about op then feel free to shoot FMJ.

And out of a modern rifle it doesn't really matter, at least at closer ranges, even FMJ's will fragment at rifle bullet speeds.

>>34854974
FWIW .357sig doesn't give up a crazy amount of rounds to 9mm while still offering up to a 350 FPS gain over standard pressure rounds of the same weight. That's like 60% more energy. I dont believe in hydrostatic shock or anything but more energy is more energy.

>>34855106
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DH0YWmMfus

>reliably hit the guy in the chest 4 times
>he gets up and walks it off, only stopped by the lack of ammunition

>>34852056

>360°
Surely you meant 180°...
>Moonwalk
Cheeky cunt, you got me there.

>>34854701
Everything about this post is fucking retarded.

>>34854974

This part always gets me, I can't see why for the life of me semi-auto fags can't just accept that revolvers are more reliable. They just are. Just like I can accept semi-autos have more capacity.

This is the illogical argument you guys present.

>revolvers can jam too
>so because they can jam too
>they're just as unreliable as semis
>but since if they jam they can't be used anymore
>they're even MORE unreliable!!!!

True, revolvers CAN potentially jam, anything man made can fail, what you fail to realize is how incredibly rare that is for a revolver, compared to how frequent it is on a semi auto. I say this as a guy shooting revolvers for over 15 years, not a single one has jammed on me. I did get a critical failure, in which a spring broke ON A TAURUS, but that same spring problem could have occurred on a semi auto's spring.

When it comes to the most common problems out there affecting guns, revolvers don't present them even half the time semis do.

Every time I'm at the range, every single time, I always see someone shooting, then jerk the trigger because they were anticipating recoil, and then look at their semi like "wtf???" and then proceed to clear the malfunction.

Never seen anyone in the range shoot a revolver and then stop, stumped, wondering why it wont shoot. This includes me. And you can blame me of limp wristing but I sincerely doubt it considering my quals.

>>34855132

Or learn to shoot a bit better? Perhaps carry a more powerful round? Those are other options besides relying on spraying and praying.

>>34855133

Lurk moar newfaggot

>>34851199
Five shots are more than enough to kill anything that moves

>>34855084
I carry 8 guns at all times. 2 on each side of my ankles. One under each armpit. One on my cock and the other up my ass

The only plausible self defense situation I'll get into with the places I frequent would be one guy trying to mug me for drug money. I could handle that situation with a fucking derringer. But please continue living in your fantasy world where you're taking cover behind a car exchanging multiple magazine loads of ammunition with some generic movie/video game bad guys that are trying to murder you.

>>34855206
You obviously haven't read the thread. There is an example of a guy getting shot directly in the heart and staying up. The only instant stop is a brain shot, which is too risky in most scenarios.

You're also assuming I'm a semi-auto fag, when I'm actually not. I just hate when people tout one facet as an absolute rule when the real world is far too unpredictable. Shot placement is no guarantee. Caliber is no guarantee.

>>34855116
Ok well you kinda extended your point a little further in this post so i guess i may have to break this into multiple sub points here to address everything.

>Explain to me how a JHP can penetrate hard barriers more than a FMJ.
Because most hard barriers don't exactly inspire classic expansion as that is a hydraulic effect. The actual limit to their ability to penetrate a hard barrier and remain effective beyond it is their ability to stay in one piece as much as possible. High quality JHPs are better at this as they happen to be bonded to help them defeat just this kind of obstacle. On the other hand FMJ is designed without such considerations and is more prone to core jacket separation because of it. Once the round sheds it's jacket it loses a considerable proportion of it's mass and energy. such an encounter rarely leave a round penetrating linearly afterwards either.

>Hollow Point is an OVER exagerated meme. They have their place, but FMJ has been killing people fine
HP isn't a meme. There's some good goddamn reasons flat nosed and expanding rounds have been favored for putting down game for over a hundred years now.

Properly bonded/hardcast FN ammo tends to penetrate the deepest and most linearly due to it's stability.The wounds of FN projectiles whether expanded or not tend to be notably more grievous than those produced by RN rounds. Bonding/hardcast FN tends to retain mass better through hard barriers than non bonded/hardcast FMJ.

9mm and lower cartridges loaded with FMJ were notorious for unreliable performance for a reason. Round nose bullets suck for reliable performance.

JHPs are better post hard barrier due to this and their better without hard barriers because they can penetrate adequately while producing larger, harder to seal up wounds, while being less likely to yaw in tissue or deflect off bone.

>TL:DR people who use off the shelf FMJ instead of bonded JHPs or hardcast/bonded FN ammo are stupid

>>34853950
Ring the gong, the thread is finally over.

I cc gp100 and if the fucker I shoot is still coming I can whack him over the head with it.

>>34855275

I can be open to everything else you said except this.

>round nose bullets suck for reliable performance...

bruhh.... they feed way better, they have nothing to catch on to on the feed ramp. Unless you're talking about terminal ballistics.

I never disagreed that HPs do more damage than FMJ's. That's obvious. But considering that handgun calibers are just that, handgun calibers, and there's very little difference in wound channels, shot placement seems to be King, and penetration Queen, expansion is the third most important thing.

All I'm saying is, FMJ's aren't useless and they're a viable option. THAT BEING SAID. I do carry HP's because over penetration is a concern to me, but now you're telling me they penetrate more, so should I stick to FMJs then?

>>34855345
>Unless you're talking about terminal ballistics
I am. In terms of feeding reliability RN is king. RN is worse than FN or JHP for killing things though.

> there's very little difference in wound channels
RN tends to produce sub caliber wounds. JHPs tend to produce wounds similar in diameter to the the projectile while also expanding 150% or more than them. A 50+% gain in wound diameter isn't exactly a marginal improvement, particularly if you don't get lucky and hit the ascending aorta or something like that.

>shot placement seems to be King, and penetration Queen
This is the real reason FMJ is obsolete for SD use. JHP and FN tend to penetrate more linearly and maintain a nose forward orientation. FMJ tends to yaw and deviate off path. This means that a properly placed shot of FN or JHP is more likely to go where you put it than FMJ. Even ignoring expansion they are an objectively superior choice.
> FMJ's aren't useless and they're a viable option
FMJ will kill you just fine, but if you killed you 1000 times the FMJ would perform worse than the FN or JHP.

>mwap mwap mwap should i carry fmj then?
No. JHPs penetrate less in tissue than FMJ unless they experience a failure to expand. These can be extremely common post certain barriers such as AG or sheet metal. Then they penetrate similarly to FMJ in plain gel. FMJ does a worse job then JHP or hard FN at penetrating hard barriers and then killing stuff. FN is the best at penetrating soft targets(particularly linearly) in general.

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>>34854974

>>34855685
>you can only "win" the argument if you invent a scenario where your opponent seems silly

>>34851199
well this might trigger you, but there is an element of need to guns
lots of people don't believe they need more than 5 or 6 or 7 shots even in a life-threatening situation, mainly because they're expecting a one-on-one fight
personally I think that's a reasonable assumption but I don't have the data to back it up so if you want to call me an idiot you can do that

>>34851864
>.32L
no-guns here, what's that, a rifle round?

>>34852113
>killing the Merchant of Menace
why would someone do this?

>>34852315
pretty sure she's not even a teenager
also holy shit she could actually shoot someone through that fence

>>34853615
that's a healed hole, and a clean one
a fresh gunshot wound to your trachea is a bit different
also you can hit the upper spine or the carotid artery or other important things if you hit them in the neck
also you should punch your friend for being a dumbass

>>34855907
>It took him 6 hours to get the joke
nice one anon

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If I shot someone with wadcutters, would they die?

>>34855981
It would be extremely painful.

>>34851199
wheel gun people

>>34851455
>>34851504
>>34851672
Its Rare but it happens. the one and only time I shot someone I fired 1 round and he died with in 10 seconds. 9mm JHP from a Ruger LC9. That said the next weapon I'm getting for CCW is a Ruger LCR. why? Because I'm confident I can solve any problems I will need to solve with 5 rounds or less. Its noce to have more but its not really needed.

>>34855940
I just got here

>>34855981
only if they're shooting a wad

>>34854225
what happens when you get fucked up and wish you carried

>>34851199
Because I need concealability more than I need a fucking doublestack magazine.
And unlike 99% of cops, I don't need to magdump because I know how to aim.

>>34851670
If you can't defend yourself with 5 shots you probably won't do it with 15, also you can press a revolver right up against them if shit gets real.

>>34851917
Because they are.

>>34856371
Not him, but what advantages do they have?

>>34856293

Real life is different from shooting at the range, son.

>>34856415
Not that anon, but revolvers can't stovepipe, suffer from an improperly seated magazine, or be knocked out of battery by pressing the barrel against something (which can't always be avoided if they grab at your gun but should be avoided nonetheless). Revolvers can suffer from their own problems but they won't happen nearly as much as a stovepipe from an inexperienced shooter. I say this as someone who loves revolvers but carries a semi-auto, so i'm probably going to be crucified by revolverfriends.

>>34856438
This, 100%. Being a good shot is only part of the equation. There's so many other factors that come into play such as adrenaline, obstructions, a moving target, a moving shooter, stress, etc. that you're banking a lot of confidence in 5-7 shots.

5 shots of buffalo bore 3f is a fucking whole lot scarier to get shot with than a 9mm magdump.

>>34856438
You need to check the average range time cops spend.

It's probably not even 1/10th of what you do.

>>34855981
It causes extreme damage, but virtually no blast cavity. They're excellent manstoppers, if you hit a vital.

>>34852315
5 rounds = activate FIBS in 5 melanin enriched sparring partners

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I use .38 SWC, I wish I had the cash to get something better, but hey, play with the hand you're dealt and not the hand you want to play with.

Adequacy + Proficiency = Efficiency. Better to have a $300 gun and spend time training than buy a $700+ gun and not spending time with it at all. Plus, most states have magazine restrictions and this old .38 can go basically everywhere without a problem.

>>34853950
>gel-test generation
I'd suck your cock for that.
>9mm jhp penetrates a fucking dillion inches in ballistics gel, which replicates human bodies perfectly!
>human chest is 9"
Really makes the fucking cylinder spin.

>>34854211
>instead I plan for what probably won't happen
Seems wise. So you're a "bugout bag" type prepper then?

>>34856534
timing issues, barrels coming unscrewed, shit trigger pull, the list is endless anon. join the 21st century and get a g29.

>>34857454
2 of those things vary gun to gun you mongoloid. And timing fuck ups are generally the result of long hard use - you see wear in semis too u cunt. Quit being dense for the sake of it and fuck off

>>34851199
You never heard of the New York reload? Carry a second in your left pocket.

>>34857454

>barrels coming unscrwed

Only in some type of revolvers

>Timing issues

After shooting thousands of full powered .357 rounds. And the timing problem happening in te first place isn't even a guarantee, it CAN happen. Some revolvers have gone on for years with steady .357 use without issues.

How many +P+ can your Glock 19 shoot before problems arose?

>shit trigger pull

Shit? No, they're different from semis though. Arguably yes, a semi has an easier pull to master. But revolver pulls can come from shit to god like... just like in a semi.

One thing is for sure, if the revolver has a hammer, no semi is gonna beat that single action trigger for accuracy work.

List is endless hu? Already your "bare minimum" list got destroyed. What else you got? Since it's endless you should have no problem coming up with another three.

>inb4 capacity

That's one thing I wont debate.

>>34857900
Well, don't forget the deal with the revolver capacity is that when you buy a revolver, you only really buy speed strips and/or loaders, which aren't essential for operation. Whilst on Semis, you need the box magazine unless you want an overglorified single shot.

>>34853471
I love the aesthetics on that ruger.

I don't see why people have a problem with 5 rounds. In a perfect world I shouldn't even need 1, 5 is better than none.

>>34857925

I know, but I wanted to give him a chance, I didn't even mention the fact that pocket revolvers and pockey semis carry around the same amount of rounds, but pocket revolvers are WAY more reliable than pocket semis, and shoot bigger bullets too.

>>34857965
Also you can do the classic Snub nose pocket trick if you have one of those DAO or shrouded/bobbed hammer. You can shoot out of your pocket at point blank and not very effectively, but ambush your attacker.

>>34856415
Not looking for spent casings.

>>34853558
Centerline shots will stop a threat by way of paralysis.

>>34854049
Implying that practice isn't beneficial is fucking retarded. If you shoot a lot you'll be better off in a gunfight than the guy who doesn't.

>>34854860
With those wide ass triceps you can't secure a choke if you're able to take someone's back.

>>34857989

Another great thing about pocket revolvers, is the grip actually feels full as opposed to pocket semis.

Not to mention, when you carry a pocket revolver as opposed to a IWB gun, you can have you hand in your pocket, and your would be attacker would be none the wiser that you're extremely ready to draw/shoot, and if he was just some random dickhead that looked suspicious but wasnt an attacker, then you saved yourself him calling the cops on you, which would happen with an IWB for pulling up your shirt and obviously holding on to your gun ready to draw it from its waistband.

I mention this because two beaners approached me on some bicycles at night near Chinatown. I had my hand in my pocket, revolver fully gripped, trigger finger on stand by, ready to draw and pull before they could even flag me with their gun, and as I stated, they were none the wiser, with a IWB, I'd be giving a dead give away, or starting problems if none where going to happen in the first place, by obviously getting ready to draw a gun on them.

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>>34858043

Funny you mention that, I do Judo, I do have a hard time doing so, I never get right under the chin, nonetheless I squeeze hard enough that I think the blood flow still gets disrupted and they tap.

When I go to my MMA gym I just go for neck cranks, albeit lightly since its sparring, but they still get a tap fairly quickly.

But when you're right you're right, chokes are very hard for me due to how thick I am, I tend to go for limbs instead, that's where I shine on lankier guys who have long arms, feet, and legs, where I can get massive leverage on thinner longer parts.

>>34852473
The weight at the front helps control recoil, it could only be done reasonably with a brace

>>34852473
Cylinder gap would render it to low-pressure bearing loads like .38. It makes more sense for a shotgun.

>>34854860
Fellow manlet Clyde Barrow would CC a goddamn BAR into a bank, the size of a CC weapon is more about your comfort carrying it all day

>>34855271
>The only instant stop is a brain shot
No it isn't, many people survive tramatic brain injury.

>>34858150

Of course, but having the right body type allows you to carry bigger guns, in more comfortable ways, without worrying about compromising your concealment.

Sometimes I see other fellow CCW fags, either fat or skinny, some even normal, and a full sized Glock or Sig is clear as day poking through their shirt. Those are the kind of people who tend to switch to subcompacts or pocket guns

Nothing wrong with that, just saying. In my best shape, I could have CC'd a god damn 8 shot .357 N frame no problem, all day. I know because I did.

>>34858179

Not him, but you do realize that 99% of the time, a gunshot to the brain will incapacitate the person right there and then, instantly.

They survive the TBI in the hospital, while unconscious from the second the bullet struck. Im sure someone in history has ran around continuing to attack with a bullet in their brain, but this is so rare, so much in fact, that bringing it up is just stupid, silly, and contrarian for the sake of argument.

Because a revolver won't go out of battery when pushed up against someone, like if you're in close quarters like some mugger who has tackled you. Also won't jam up as easy with clothing rustling close and making a semi stove-pipe. They have their uses.

>>34857991
>doesn't leave casings on the scene bro
This one always gets me.

Why should this appeal to me unless I'm a filthy murdering thug?

>>34851199
Because almost all of civilian involved shootings have less than 4 rounds fired
Also
>easy manual of arms
>doesnt go out of battery when pressed against a target
>can be concealed easier (sometimes)
>easy to clear malfunctions
>don't have to worry about forgetting to chamber a round or blowing ur nuts of if you already did and are carrying with a round in the chamber on ur striker fired handgun

I like revolvers because they handle lead bullets better

WC and SWC are great

>>34856148
I would bet half you faggots that carry "In case shit pops off" Don't even have a condom in your wallet.

You faggots are so delusional that you've reached a point where you bleieve with all your might a full on firefight is more likely for you than ever getting laid.

You're not prepared, son. You're just pathetic in a whole different way. Stuck in your delusion that you're going to be some badass superhero that can neturalize threats. Chances are if shit ever goes off you'll either get shot on the spot, or blow your full load missing shit.

Fuck off kid.

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>>34852524
>Brass coloured cylinder on black tint gun

>>34858456
Keeping condoms in your wallet makes them less effective as the folding and unfolding of the wallet damages the material

>>34858465
Yeah, it's pretty ugly, but the copper cylinder was being sold at a lower price than the standard LCR.

>>34858511
Also body heat gradually degrading the material.

>>34852187
No it killed itself.

>>34851199
>implying capacity is the only determining factor
>doesn't realize the reliability of revolvers is supreme above all else
Get off of here and educate yourself faggot

>>34858592
>it killed it self

How so?

>>34858633
The reliability of a revolver over an automatic is symbolic at best, both tend to function pretty flawlessly.

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>>34855981

>>34858761
movie?

>>34860814

DARK KNIGHT RISES!!!

>>34858723

Not him, but keep telling yourself that. What you're saying is dumb as shit. Uneducated. And something a female would say (a made up fantasy to live with herself)

I have no issue carrying an auto, since I occasionally carry a G19 when I feel I'm going into a really bad neighborhood and shit might pop off.

But revolvers are more reliable. There's no way around it. Revolvers don't rely on a bullet igniting to cycle, there's no magazine feed lips to worry about, there's no "outta battery" situations in which numerous times cops find themselves in in close quarters, there's no feeding ramp to worry about, there's none of that.

Revolvers can fail, but it would have to be a critical failure to make it fail. The same ones that would make a semi fail as well. But when it comes to simple jams, revolvers do not have them.

A revolver holds the bullet in place, and your trigger finger cycles the next one, and so on. With a semi, your trigger finger causes an explosion, which is used to fire off a bunch of small mechanisms that will hopefully reliably put the next round in, a very dynamic and unpredictable situation.

At the range, a semi, in the hands of someone who knows what they're doing, a semi wont jam.

Now throw in a situation where you're pushing some guy off trying to buy you time to draw you CC, or a situation where you're limpwristing or shooting one handed due to the improvised shooting position and the adrenaline filled nature of the event... and it could jam.

Sure you could tap rack and bang, and it would most likely fix it... but for some people, they prefer not even having to worry about tap rack and bang.

>>34856438
So cop training doesn't touch on hitting your target?
My main point, which sailed over your head, is capacity is moot if the weapon can't be concealed, and full size double stacks are not very concealable. 5 is better than 0.

>>34861977

Exactly, and though this borders somewhere in the "illegal" realm of things.

Sometimes I still carry in places where I am not allowed to carry. And in that case, my 5 in my pocket, are better than my 15+1. and 15+15 magazines at home.

>>34858456
I carry open, and fuck unprotected. Get on my fucking level. Are you afraid of progeny?

>>34854213
Pacifiers aren't retained for a hypothetical possibility.

>>34858578
>>34858511
Maybe get laid once in awhile and you wouldn't have that problem, faggots

Or just trade it out every few weeks
Christ

>>34851199
Maybe you should look at it this way:

Let's say that in advance I tell you I have $100k cash on my person, where I'm going to be at a particular time, and that my only defense is a 5-shot S&W Airweight .38.

Your only hope is to get the jump on me, and then capacity doesn't matter. You and four of your favorite friends, with body armor and multiple firearms, are still not going to want to take me on, and after the first shot or two you're taking off and you know it.

Capacity doesn't mean much. It doesn't keep someone from getting the jump on you, and it doesn't help a bit unless you're in a mythical Hollywood extended firefight fantasy where everyone's behind cover and trading shots for fifteen minutes.

>>34861829
>but for some people, they prefer not even having to worry about tap rack and bang.
>but for some people, they prefer not to get click fuck BANG
I don't like drawing and getting shot like a fucking faggot, either.

Who here has a semi auto matic pistol and it's never jammed once?

>>34862302
>You and four of your favorite friends, with body armor and multiple firearms, are still not going to want to take me on,
You were so close...

No, anon, you lose if 5 people attack you whether you have a revolver or a semi. Because you can't shoot 5 1 shot kills at once, and they'll gun you down before you can finish what they started.

Even harmonica wasn't fast enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyuwBW9lNa8

>>34862302
>Let's say that in advance I tell you I have $100k cash on my person, where I'm going to be at a particular time, and that my only defense is a 5-shot S&W Airweight .38

Id gladly take the deal and casually shoot you from 100m+ with a rifle before you even knew i was there... Then id go pick up the money and leave.

>>34862322
What are you even talking about? You sound stupid.

>>34862519
If you have a failure to fire or failure to cycle in a semi-auto you will get your fucking brains splattered across the wall while you try to run your drill to fix your garbage weapon or technique.

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>>34862540
Yeah

>>34862586
>You sound stupid
>reiterate point
>duh
But I sound stupid saying something that's fucking obvious?

>>34862653

I was the guy you originally responded to, I also think your comment was not well written, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

>>34862720
Your poor reading comprehension is genuinely not my problem. I was taking the piss out of the name of that drill, and simultaneously pointing out that you won't get a chance to perform it in an SD scenario.

>>34862720
>I was the guy you originally responded to
I know. I know that, anon. I know you just tried to samefag by saying you weren't, but accidentally said you were.

>>34851239
Hk's in general have low capacity.

>>34853486
This. No safety to fiddle with and a sure as any other five shots that NOBODY is volunteering to take into the vital areas.

>>34858719
If I'm interpreting the previous poster's post correctly, they were about to mention the fact that top-break revolvers fail in virtually the same way every time.

Top-break revolvers are not used (often) in the modern world because the power of current revolver cartridges are too potent to be shot through a firearm whose top-strap is not monolithic, i.e. the strength of a fully forged frame is absent

>>34862875
That's what I love about revolvers. There's no safety, no slide, no frills whatsoever. It's just point and trigger pull.

>>34855271
You need to sever the spinal cord. Aim for the base of the neck. You shoot to high? head shot. You aim to low? Center mass.

I paralyzed an attacker during a home invasion recently. 22 LR our of a 20 inch barrel. Two shots total. One struck the attackers finger the second struck the base of the neck, penetrated and fragmented(striking the spine). Dropped em' like a sack of potatoes.

In that situation all I could remember was to focus on the front site and to get a clean break. It is nothing like what you expect it to be. I didn't even have ear pro when this happened inside and my ears were completely fine. Usually my ears hurt a few hours later.

>>34863075
They were hollow point 22lr BTW.

>>34851670
basically this desu

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>>34862773

>>34862773
The fuck are you on about you dumbshit

>>34851199
Don't most compact, single stack semi autos only carry 7-9 rounds per magazine? Or do you actually think you need all 16 rounds to fend off one person?

>>34863075
>22lr home defense
>ears didn't even hurt
Well duh.

>>34863313
Inside of a relatively small space I should have felt something. Even today if I were to shoot a few rounds of 22 outdoors without ear pro my ears will hurt.

>>34863335
.22lr is above the threshold for hearing damage and causing pain, whether you shoot it inside or outside. I was just ribbing you.

Premium shot placement, my man.

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>>34863193
>phoneposter
Oh, I get it now. I get who you are, and why you can't figure out what a motherfucker's trying to say to you.

>>34851446
this, how many shots are you expecting to expend?

Why do americans all think they're going to get into cowboy style shootouts and need to carry a machine pistol and 800 rounds everywhere they go?

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>>34858567
idk if the brass/copper colored part were shiny and the black was a proper matte i think itd look real cool

>>34863193
>phoneposter
idk what your issue even is but you should kys for phoneposting

>>34863356
Thanks.

>>34863425
>i could be coming home for work and a fill blown red dawn could happen
>or even worse blm terrorists could try to commit acts of multiculturalism on me
>or even better the us could be empd and have everyone trying to steel my car that was made in 1970 so will still work after emps

prepare for the worst hope for the worst

>>34862302
>and it doesn't help a bit unless you're in a mythical Hollywood extended firefight fantasy where everyone's behind cover and trading shots for fifteen minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8-ycSkoYfc

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>>34852182
Nice try, m8.

>>34864209
heueheue