What are /k/'s thoughts on the SIG SG-510? It's a pretty

I think they're cool fuck, and I'd love to own one.

>12.5 rifle
>fires grenades

I can't imagine this recoil. I thought the galil was bad in my Jew IDF service

>>34817792
What are /k/'s thoughts on the SIG SG-510?

>so hideous it's cool
>i want one

>>34817792
There are plenty videos to be found if you search Stgw 57 or Fass 57, you dingu. In Switzerland it's one of the cheapest rifle you can get, and there are hundred of thousands of them around.

Like you said, it's heavy as fuck, it's long as hell. It can fire rifle grenades. It's a delayed blowback action. From all battle-rifles around (G3, FAL, CETME, M14...), I assume that the Stgw 57 is the most accurate one (probably thanks to its diopter sight and bipod). Tests on In Range TV showed that it isn't particularly reliable when covered with mud.

>>34817810
This looks so hot, but I don't want to see the price tag.

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>>34817792
>You will never be Swiss, and fall asleep on a bed of stgws with a pillow of 7.5

>>34817838
I don't think the army full auto version is very easy to find, just the semi-auto civilian version

is 7.5x55mm Swiss gud?
Could I even buy it?

>>34817872
You mean the modified military version. People dont get the distinction right. There is the army model, there is the semi auto ex army version, an then theres the civilian PE model.

>>34817792
>that cheesegrater
>that molded handguard

I wouldn't want to do service with that deadweight, but damn it's a fine looking firearm

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Looks aesthetic to me

>>34817972
Buffer and recoil spring housing, yes. Originaly not compatible with AR parts, but tacticool people made fitting tubes.

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>>34817866
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>>34817918
This. Seems like it would be great fun to shoot but I'd hate to have to use it in combat.

>>34818353
Standard footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmibfBVMJB8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXWUCmeUF9o

>>34817792

It was a weapon designed in a country where four generations of people have grown up since the last combat took place (five if you count actual wars and not joke internal struggles that took three weeks and resulted in a couple dozen dead on either side), and not a single person who saw active combat was alive.
Designed by people who thought individual marksmanship is the single thing that affects infantry combat effectivity.

It would make for a sweet DMR if you could look past the weight, though.

>>34818198
>>34817857
What was delete worthy this time

>>34818422
Im not sure. The Buffer and recoil one was fine i thought. It was a good question. He asked wheter its the same as an AR 15.

I think its a scrub cleaner apprentice.

>>34817857

Forget about the price tag, they added like 6 lbs worth of aluminum, glass, steel and polymer.
The thing has to be at least 18 lbs now. That's just fucked up.

>>34817792
Anyways does anyone have a question on this rifle or any other swiss weaponary? I have some hours to spare and the knowledge to share.

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>>34818444
Rear sight.

>>34818460
Are police service guns generally in good shape ?

I've seen an ex-cantonal police sig pistol for half of the price of a new one. Does it worth it ?

>>34818700
Most surplus guns of the police are in good condition. Maybe some wear due the holster.
Naturaly you need to look at the individual gun, but its generaly not an issue.

>>34818700
I've not seen it already but it don't seam to be very wasted (except the usual spots where the painting is gone)

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>>34817792
A little treat. A first series Stgw 90.

>>34818717
Merci viel mal

>>34818743
Is the stock made of metal ??

>>34818444
Is the SIG510 chrome lined?

Whats the barrel life for it?

Same for the 550 (~6000 rounds)?

>>34818444
Is the position of the 510's bipod is considered unconventional for a lot of modern firearms in comparison. Is it at all detrimental or does it function perfectly as well as traditional muzzle-end bipods?

>>34817838
>I assume that the Stgw 57 is the most accurate one (probably thanks to its diopter sight and bipod)

Also helped by the fact they were rarely fired, unlike the rest which went to wars by countries with real armies.

>>34818913
>real armies
>implying the swiss army is not a real army

>>34818926

Their pocket knives sure are neat.

>>34818913
>real armies

Having your army being sent by kikes in third world shitholes doesn't give it credits.

>>34818816
No its the old polymer stock.
>>34818861
Neiter are chrome lined. They appear to be nitrated.
10'000-15'000 shots for the Stgw 57
15'000+ for the Stgw 90
>>34818886
The bipod can be moved between the central and the front position. This is doctrin bound. the bipod in the middle was standard for the infantry man, as he also used rifle grenades and the legs are the range scales. The bipod in the front position was for defended positions and automatic fire.

Its just been a couple of years where the requirement to have the bipod in the middle in the ranges has been lifted, since the Stgw 57 finaly was phased out of the last reserve unit.

>>34818944
Officially the government says that accuracy will go down significantly after 6000 rounds and its not recommend for sportsshooting anymore

Source: https://www.admin.ch/cp/d/[email protected]

>>34818913
swiss soldiers actually do shoot their weapons quite often in training

a professional Major of the armored troops told me that the Bundeswehr pretty much copied the swiss rifle training programm after experiences in afghanistan and they ran out of ammo quite fast

>>34818861
>Same for the 550 (~6000 rounds)?

What ? 6'000 rounds is what I shot once over just 4 days when I was in the army. My Sig 550 has seen a lot more since then and is still as accurate as the first day.

>>34818366
everyone who wants to post in a swiss thread should watch these

>>34818959
Precision an intensive running after each shooting and
After 80 rounds in a row. Furthermore, the manufacturer,
The SIG Neuhausen, found that of sportsmen
Claimed maximum precision after a load of 6,000
Up to 10'000 shot slightly decreases, which is however only top marks

>>34818959
>Sportsschooting
>Wanting to hit a 10 cm target at 300m with every shot.

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>>34818944
Typical range finding for rifle grenades.

>>34818926
It isn't a real Army. It's day care for Swiss males, unless you're remotely important then you can get out of it. No discipline, no experience, no experts, no history. Irrelevant.

>>34818939
All of those other weapons saw service in real wars.

The only thing Switzerland knows of real wars is taking in the refugees with glee when the fighting is over.

>>34818966
They should have gone the whole hog and copied the Swiss military program of losing wars to France, declaring "neutrality" because you suck and then avoiding wars for centuries.

>>34818986
Youre somewhat right.
Swiss rifles are just match rifles. They are not really made for war, thats why theyre the only ones who dont use a chrome lining just to get an increased precision instead of war-durability.

But their training on the other hand is top notch. It is expected from EVERY soldier to hit a target at 300m with just IRON SIGHTS (unlike german army where they only use scopes even at that range)

>>34817792
>12.5 lbs
I want one just to work on my delts and traps, brah

>>34819003
Entire barrel is made from a chrome nickel alloy and phosphates. Quit being a faggot online and go outside and play today

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>>34818913
>>34818986
>>34818992

>>34817792
There is one possibility to induce runaway fire with the 90. But it is so unlikely to happen since the reciever itself would be destroyed beforehand. If one certain notch/plate of the FA was grinded down, the insertion of a loaded magazine would cause the rifle to shoot until empty. I need to stress that this is not physicaly possible with even the most abusive use, but only with the sabotage of the rifle itself.

>>34818959
>6000 round barrel life
>every milspec AR or AK has a greater barrel life
swiss guns are just a meme confirmed

>>34819040
Thats not barrel life hes talking about.
Höchstpräzision nach einer Belastung von 6'000 bis 10'000 Schuss leicht abnimmt, was aber nur Spitzenschützen bemerken dürften.
AKA hitting a 10cm target at 300m with every shot.

>>34819057
>10cm at 300m
whats that in MOA?

>>34818861
Roller delayed guns aren't chromelined due to the fluting.

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Weird looking. Like most of Swiss things.

>>34819087
Not him, but 1.15 MOA. The gun can supposedly get "slight precision loss only noticeable to top shooters" after 6-10k shots, so that sounds reasonable enough.

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>>34819108
Military no go is an inherent spread of more than 30cm or the the bore being 5.58.

>>34819161
spread of more than 30cm at 100m or 300m?

>>34819170
300m.

>>34818973
Since SAN doesnt produce any more barrels and just buys them from a german(?) barrel maker, the quality went down.

As far as I know, the army itself doesnt even have any new barrels anymore and when you claim that your barrel is shot out, they just replace it with an already (less) used one.

The contract with SAN ended a long time ago and SAN doesnt produce parts anymore by themselves.

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>>34817792
>In fact there's only 1 video on the internet of the non-civilian version being fired
>In fact there's only 1 video
>only 1 video

>>34819193
That so far is correct. There are no new barrels. Maybe some will have to be bought due to some fool prolonging the lifespan to 2030 and maintenance till 2050.
There are only some regularly replaced parts deliverd by SAN.

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One day I shall buy this masterpiece

>>34819196
There are only three. Apart from these two there was one video of an FA shot by a swiss soldier after 1995. >>34818366

>>34819220
>>34819193
>Buy a "new" SIG550 for 3490 bucks
>Get an already used barrel

Swiss-mountain jews

>>34819259
Are you retarded? Please stop baiting.

>>34817792
Anyways. I need to go. I hope ive answerd some questions.

>>34819259
You need to work on your reading comprehension

>>34819259
Are you that retarded ?

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>>34819266
>>34819311
>>34819313

>>34818719
I came

>>34819259
*3587.71$

>>34819101
Looks like something a 40K miniature would be holding

>>34817792
Gorgeous in its ugliness.

>>34819220
>some fool prolonging the lifespan to 2030

Seriously ? That's impossible.

I've already seen a degradation of the condition of the rifles between 2014 and 2017.
When I received mine at the beginning of the RS in 2014 it was brand new like the others.
This year I have seen the "new" Stgw90s that the recruits received. All the rifles were worn (painting gone in a few spots and stock/handguard scratched) some even had rust on the gas block and the gas tube.

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>>34819408
I also started in 2014, my rifle was also already used, the gas tube had the finish removed by the previous owner

pic related

>>34819452
How easy is it to make the LBA change pieces of your rifle ? For exemple the stock, the handguard or the bipod ? The piston or the gas tube ? The barrel ?

I'd like to grow young again my little baby.

>>34819452
And can I still make them repair my rifle when I'll have no more WK ?

>>34819699
Maybe if you're still in reserve

>>34819659
I still try every WK to get a new gas tube but they won't replace it because "it has an x on it, so it can be rusted"

>>34820176
>"it has an x on it, so it can be rusted"

So this what the famous "x" means... Mine is not marked.

>>34820766
Im back.
No the x marks that it has been refurbished. Same with an R on the front of the tube. AKA machine steel brush kill the rust and oil it as to keep it from rusting. If the issued person fails to keep it in normal condition it will rust.

>>34819699
If you are still in the reserve, yes.

>>34822075
>refurbished

So basically they never change the gas tube.

>>34822713
There is a rule of thumb. There are two states of being in which the gas tube is being replaced. State one: the AdA firmly holds the gas tube in both hands and is able to move both hands independently as the gas tube has rusted through the middle. In which case the AdA gets fucked by Feldi for negligence in maintenance and needs to pay a small fee. State two: A 150kg tank grenadier and two compagnions have recieved the order to storm a building through the window in the first floor. As per outdated Reglement they use the maneuver gren ladder, consisting in the two compagnons grabing the rifle at each end and catapulting the 150kg tank grenadier up to the ledge of the first floor window. As the 90, as opposed to the 57, is not stable enough for this the gas tube and piston will have to be removed by the armorer as they are bent as shit.

>>34822906
Or your rifle has an unfortunate accident with a Piranha or a CV90 depending on your unit.

>>34823076
Ramp free!

>>34819193
SAN doesn't produce barrels for 55X series?

They're cool as hell. I found a mag pouch for one at the local flea market and now I want one.

>>34825213
Not anymore. They sold the machine a couple years ago

>>34819193
>The contract with SAN ended a long time ago
That's false though. I ordered a STGW90 and the making was delayed of 4 months because SAN SwissArms had to do shit for the army. And that was last year

>>34827097
Parts. Not guns.

>>34819228
wuhuuu rene !

scho zland nümm döt gsi.

>>34818719

Not bad, but I'd rather have an unmolested original.

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The truth of the matter is that Switzerland has lax laws and is better than the most libshit places in the US. However they are under grave threat by the EU forearms directice.

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>>34828930
whoops wrong pic but fuck commies anywas

>>34828930
>trying to turn /his/ commie

Hahaha.
They have no fucking clue.

>>34824163
>tfw you will never again sit in a Piranha 8x8 in summer with 45'C in it
>tfw you will never scream FREI TIIIIIEEFFF again
>tfw you will never hear the ramp go down with this *dziiiiiiiiiiiiii* sound
>tfw you will never almost fall out of the tank as you disembark 8 guys in 10s flat
Life is suffering in the GMTF

>>34829348
>Complaining about being in a GMTF instead of a Piranha

Really ??
I was all this summer in a Piranha and it fucking SUCKS. It's a fucking oven hotter than those in Auschwitz, it's already fucking tight and it get even worse when you are with 7 other guys in kampfkomplett and breacher set, minimi, etc.

It's already 35°C outside and you haven't even already run with all your shitty equipment but you're already wet as fuck.

At least the GMTF is spacious, has air conditionner and individual sits.

The ONLY cool thing with the Piranha is the moment when the ramp goes down and you take 360° position.

>>34817821
Recoil is probably negligible with that much ass. 12.5 lbs is friggin' hefty.

>>34817895
It's one of the best rifle cartridges around. The Swiss surplus stuff has all but dryed up and is now very expensive.

>>34829675
Prvi Partizan makes 7.5x55. And the swiss are restarting the production of GP11

>>34829708
GP11 actually rainbows more than 308.
I dont see any sane reason to go back to GP11 and start producing it again.

Let it die

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>>34829862

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>>34829862
you shut your whore mouth

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>>34829862
You'd better stfu

>>34817838
The AR10 and G3A3 have a higher potential for accuracy

>>34829553
Been there, done that. Don't forget the vest with plates and long sleeves because HOK LOL.
Also
>sarcasm is hard on the internet

>>34830477
Bure ?

>>34830573
Chamblon 09

>>34818719
Bubba NO

>>34829862
Its the first FMJ and its still alive and kicking. This ride sill not end. Just you wait until the army decides to do the same as the us one and go back to it as an "intermediate" solution.

>>34832957
*will not

>>34832957
I don't think so. The main risks today is terrorisme, destabilization (like in ukraine), etc. Now in the infantry we do exercice against "hybrid threats" and in a very urbanized environment. If you want to minimize collateral damages you don't use GP11 for HOK.

>>34817792
Love it