Why did Soviet subs seem to have way more fuckups than any

>>34809694
Maybe they don't. Maybe we just know about those fuckups because the USSR dissolved and things became declassified.

>>34809714
Didn't think about that

>>34809694
Because Russians have more fuckups than any other "people."

>>34809694
They don't maintain them. They build a really good sub and then treat it like an AK.

>>34809694
the west ruled with the consent of the governed. they had to be accountable for their decisions and choices, so they had to maintain and replace subs, aircraft, etc.

>>34809694

Because Soviets can't build anything right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_accidents_and_incidents

>yfw this is only 12 years
>each decade has its own fucking page

>>34809694
Because Russia built submarines, learnt lessons and improved the next design.

Whereas the west spends far more time testing and developing to try and get right.

Also russia had far more submarines at sea than NATO so they are more likely to have something go wrong.

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>>34809694
I actually heard from multiple RN and USN submariners than when a new Soviet SSN or SSBN was built and on their maiden voyage, they'd have serious problems keeping track of them with sonar and noise.

It was only due to the poor maintenance quality after roughly three years did it make it easy for NATO to keep track of Soviet subs,

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Russia built more subs, with a much wider variety of designs and more extreme mechanical stresses.
>inb4 lul vatnik
Not at all, they also maintained them poorly and crewed them with conscripts. But given how shitty the conditions were it's amazing to be how few accidents the Russians had on their boats.
> double hulls
> Titanium hulls and screws
> lead-bismuth cooled reactors
> Only retired HTP after Kursk
> SSGNs
> pools and saunas for crew
> Xrays, Alfas, Sierras, Typhoons, Khabarovsk, pic related, Uniform
Western sub designs were more mechanically conservative, with greater emphasis on sensors and quieting. With the benefit of hindsight we can say this is a better approach, and safer.

>>34809694
Engineering is a lot harder after your second bottle of vodka.

Rickover was obsessed with safety.

>>34810878
thats a really nice way to put "kills its own soldiers"

>>34809694
isn't this a rhetorical question?