Is China's new destroyer any good? Could it beat an

>>34805601
No

On paper it has the most advanced phased array radar, lowest RCS conventional hull and most adaptable VLS cells ever fielded on a surface combatant.

Time will tell how it performs in real life however.

>>34805613
Yes.

It's AShM load out alone would suffice to take on a small fleet.

>>34805601
Yes, but only in speed to the bottom of the ocean.

>>34805601
>Could it beat an Arleigh Burke class?
pretty sure it can defeat an entire carrier battle group

>>34805639
Tico has more vls cells friend.

Why is xe covered in faggot pride colors?

>most advanced phased array radar

Based off what?

>lowest RCS conventional hull

What is the number?

>most adaptable VLS cells ever fielded on a surface combatant.

Well, that's just wrong.

Very impressive.

>>34806505
For
>>34805639

>>34806419
The 055 exact cell count is not confirmed.

And even now, it has cells that are larger than even the Mk.57, let alone the puny Mk.41.

Bigger cells = bigger and more powerful weapons.

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>>34806505
GaN AESA vs old PESA

Enclosed deck, no Christmas trees, no old styled illuminator radars, flush superstructure, integrated mast

Large caliber 850mm diameter VLS.


The 055 is better than the Burke and Tico. It is normal, since it is a much newer ship.

Just give it up.

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In everything but VLS cell count, the earlier Type 052D was already far superior to the Burke.

Seriously. The Burke is embarrassing. It's 2017 and they are still using the SPG-62 mechanical dish illuminator and that horrifying RCS enhancing christmas tree mast ontop its bridge.

And dont get me started on the SPY-1, which is a PESA as if it came from the same tractor factory as Soviet-era interceptors.

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>>34805601
>>34806546

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/naval-exhibitions/2017/sna-2017-show-daily-news/4816-sna-2017-huntington-ingalls-industries-unveils-scale-model-of-ddg-51-flight-iii-design.html

Just look at this OFFICIAL Scale Model of the Burke-III by Huntington Ingalls Industries unveiled THIS YEAR (2017, Two Thousand and Seven Teen)

All your fan-made models and CGs showing AMDR-equipped Burkes from yesteryears do not count anymore: This model is from THIS YEAR. And not from some powerpoint presentation of the USNI, but from Fukcing HUNTINGTON INGALLS INDUSTRIES!

You cannot find better evidence that the US shipbuilding industry has stagnated.

>>34806419
>Tico has more vls cells friend
Cool story, good thing I said 'adaptable'. Every USN combatant sans Zumwalt fields the MK41, a hodgepodge of 7.6m strike cells, 6.7m tactical cells and 5.2m self-defense cells which all have a diameter of 0.6m.

Contrast to the universal CN VLS which are 9m, 7m and 3.3m respectively and ALL have a diameter of 0.85m, making them much more adaptable for new munition types.

>>34806505
>Based off what?
The fact that it mounts a C/S and X band APAR? Not even the Zumwalt has a dual band SPY.

>What is the number?
Classified, like all the rest. Simple observation shows that the possession of features like an enclosed deck, covered mast, flush access points and the ECM features of its radar suite means it will inevitably be far less observable than contemporary conventional hull combatants.

>>34806591
>Simple observation shows that the possession of features like an enclosed deck, covered mast, flush access points and the ECM features of its radar suite means it will inevitably be far less observable than contemporary conventional hull combatants.

So in other words, entirely in your opinion.

>>34806591
>Every USN combatant sans Zumwalt fields the MK41, a hodgepodge of 7.6m strike cells, 6.7m tactical cells and 5.2m self-defense cells which all have a diameter of 0.6m.

I have never heard or seen anything that suggests that this is true. Can you prove that Ticos/Burkes used mixed length VLS?

>>34806704
Google it retard

>>34806570
Kek.

>>34806745

No, fuck you nigger. Prove that Ticos and Burkes used mixed length. You lying Impressive China shill.

it could send entire CBG to the bottom of the ocean
Chinese improve while Americans stagnate

>>34806842
Do it yourself.

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No matter how much tech china steals and bolts to its tubs, they still can't build
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As long as a sea state 3 or higher condition exists they'll be to busy bailing out their fleet to fight real navies.

>>34805601
no because it's not part of the largest navy on the planet

no because honorable 1v1 warship duels don't exist

>>34806938
What is the purpose of that door anyway?

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>>34806983
So you could be able to drown it by knocking.

>>34806938
This happened like 4 years ago. Since then, China has produced an entirely new class of ships.

Let me show your incompetence by pointing you to the direction of the Philippine cargo ship.

>>34806983
Mooring.

>>34806882

You are the one who made the assertion, you are the one who needs to support what they've said.

>>34806983
Ignore his autism.

It's a wet deck anyway not built to be water tight. Earlier Chinese ships of that 052 class hull were open at the back. The 052C only has an enclosed aft deck because of stealth reasons.

The soldier suffered some head trauma but was OK afterward. It was just that someone forgot to engage the locking mechanism for that door.

>>34807070
Note the aft and how it is open.

It needs to be open because of the mooring lines as well as the VDS (yellow thing) and TASS spools.

The 052C and D are same, just have coverings to minimize RCS at that part.

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>>34807102
Forgot pic.

>>34807070
>It was just that someone forgot to engage the locking mechanism for that door.

Oh, do fuck off. Anyone who watches that video can see that the door cannot even seal tight and there's a tiny lock for it. They literally tried to weld it shut!

It should not be possible for that to SWING inward. Honest to god, actually say a internal part of the ship shouls not be sealed behind water tight doors.

>>34805601
>Can a missile blow up something

Gee, I dunno

>>34807028
Maybe they should work on designing a new type of door that won't compromise the ship.

>>34807070
>Bailing out a wet deck

Yeah nah, try again General Tso

>>34806745
>>34806882
In other words, no, I have no proof to back my claims.

>>34807028
>hand waves the issue
>changes the subject
>ad hom

The reek of BTFO is strong in this one.

>>34805601
China is very good at making unverified claims of greatness on paper, if that's what you mean.

>>34807070
>someone forgot to engage the locking mechanism for that door.

Sounds like a policy and procedure flaw. That's the kind of fundamental safety step that the US sea services learn in boot camp, long before they ever step foot on a floating unit.

>wet deck

If that's the case, then there's a crippling design flaw. Bailing is not the norm for dewatering a weather deck, scuppers and deck drains exist for a reason.

China has a long way to go before they can be considered a near-peer.

>>34806521
The larger cells are for cold launch missiles, adding a hot launch sleeve makes them the same size or smaller than Mk41 or Mk57.

This isn't even comparing the missiles themselves.

>>34805601
> is it any good
Yes. Probably better than a flight 3 Burke, which is not unreasonable given how old Burkes are, but probably not as good as a Daring and BTFO by Zumwalt.

> could it beat a burke
This is more down to weapons and defences than the ships. Ships are, at the end of the day, mostly platforms to move missiles and sensors around on, which is why the USN is content to buy more Burkes. Missile tech is where the real room for progress is for the time being.
That being said it probably has a smaller cross section than a Burke but both ships are likely to remain in EMCON for the duration of an engagement especially if on lone patrol / asw picket duty (the only scenario where both ships are likely to be alone) when they run into eachother. Then it comes down to missiles v. point defences. SM-6 and JASSM are probably better than their /g/csg/ equivalents, as both are fairly modern. CIWS is, sadly, a bit of a meme. Kinda like the A10, it looks cool as fuck and catches peoples imagination with brrrrrzt but in practice doesn't do so well against manoeuvring mach 3+ modern ashms. The Navy is moving on to laser PD, instead of refreshing the gun system, because ballistic based systems are going to fall further behind.
Type 52 carries Sizzler clones, which are subsonic cruise missiles with a secondary supersonic high manouverabilty subwarhead that separates in the terminal phase.

>>34806938
That towed array room was triditionally considered as enclosed area in PLA navy. Thus, the hindge and door wasn't built as the door on the enclosed superstructure. Hence the accident.

>>34808345
*wasn't

>>34808277
Given that the Zumwalt has been BTFO to technology demonstrator status, what's the future of the US Destroyer fleet? Are there any program for modernization other than more modern Burkes?

>>34807293
It doesnt compromise the ship.

That area is regularily flooded in older designs of that hull anyway.

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>>34807441
>Sounds like a policy and procedure flaw.

Tell me more about that.

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>>34807177
It was never meant to be sealed tight.

That deck houses the VDS and TASS, as well as towed decoys and hence has holes for a reason.

Pic: 052D's VDS/TASS room at the aft. The room where the incident happened on a 052C, which has a similiar aft deck.

>>34808373
For now, why bother? Just use the Zumwalts to proof the technology then intro a middleweight class once the next gen techs come down in cost.
Burkes are not AShW platforms, the USN presently sees no need for such a platform, and the AAW, ABM and fleet missile defence roles have lots of room for growth from the missile side still. ASW is also benefiting more from better and better sensors (bouys and TAs) and data processing (finding signals in noise).
You won't need a new hull for any of that.
When laser PD and railguns are cheap enough and useful enough, and the kinks are ironed out, then you will need new build hulls to integrate them and the massive power plant and battery systems they will need.
Until then, the F35 is the next primary ASuW platform, with JASSM.
Probably two blue water surface combatants will be needed, a cheapish ASW platform and flag-shower to bulk out the numbers and a middle of the road boat with greater energy generation capabilities for energy weps. It'll be interesting if we see a return of CGNs for a super high end mega railgun/laser but I doubt it. Maybe as an ABM platform, in the far off future. But such a design would need radiators and such.

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>>34808766
I see that they improved the locking mechanism for those two smaller side doors on the 052D.

Well, the 052C only faced a smallish production run anyway, with six ships. The 052D now has 18 confirmed under construction, trials and service, with the end number being probably up to 40, barring that the PLAN wants a follow on 052E to complement their 055s.

>>34808766

Again, fuck right off. Notice the difference between the hatches in the picture and the one in the video.

Still can't believe your still trying to defend a "wet deck" that had such substandard drainage that it was required to be bailed by hand.

>>34809178
Can you even read?

that's the aft deck of the 052D and the video shows the predecessor class 052C.

And both of these ships basically have wet decks in the aft by design because they need to remain open for the TASS, Decoy, VDS etc.

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Threadly reminder.

>>34809215

Yes I know, that's my point. Look at the difference! Those in the image can be sealed, the one in the video could not.

You are defending a wet deck that struggled to be sealed and remain not fully of water. If this is a by-design wet deck, you need to admit to the fact that it was poorly designed given it could not seal neither drain.

>>34808277
>manoeuvring mach 3+ modern ashms

Physics here, these are not a thing.

>>34809466
3M54 has a mach 2.5-3 rocket boosted terminal phase, and China owns some of the sub launched version and has cloned them / worked them into the very similar YJ-18. It entered service with the Soviet navy in 1987.
3M55 Oniks is a Russian ramjet cruise missile that sustains mach 2.5 for 300km, and has replaced the Moskits that were also ramjets capable of similar speeds (but much shorter range).
Both Russia and China have hypersonic AShMs in the works.
http://ndupress.ndu.edu/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/577568/jfq-75-a-potent-vector-assessing-chinese-cruise-missile-developments/

>>34810041
Okay? None of those pull meaningful maneuvers at mach 3+.

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>>34810584
>1987
>2017
So, 30 years old Soviet stuff designed to manouver to defeat point defence systems, doing it at mach 2.5-3, cannot possibly have been modernized since then to improve and expand on these capabilities
>popup attacks
>evasive attack patterns
>decoys
>"not meaningful"
>hypersonic missiles entering service next year inb4 "hurr but it isn't manouvrable"
>not realising that the important point is not whether the missile can do >50g turns at mach 3.000000000001, but that AShMs are next to fucking impossible to intercept
> and tend to come by the salvo

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Let's never forget the giant (((waste of money))) that was both classes of LCS. Money that could've gone in to more/better Zumwalts.

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>>34811243
Or maybe, y'know,
(Sorry for the stupid meme idea)
Actual Frigates.
>iknow
> It's pretty out there
Just think about it for a second.

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>>34806135
>>34806882
>>34807028
>>34807070
>>34808736
>>34809267

>>34805601
>Is China's new destroyer any good?
Decent enough. Not Merica, Bongland, of Frogistan tier but certainly better than Russia and India's pieces of shit.
>Could it beat an Arleigh Burke class?
Fuck no. Doesn't matter how good the ship is it's still handicapped with their shit tier ching chong missiles.

Reminder that underestimating an opponent is a great way to get BTFO'd when a fight starts.

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>>34811459
What if we paired China's destroyer with the white man's missiles? Would that be superior to the burke?

>>34806938
>Wanton can't build a fucking door
>Burger can't avoid collision of a fucking cargo ship

Like pottery.

>>34811630
>What if we paired China's destroyer with the white man's missiles?

>mfw the new chink VLS has about 33% more volume than the Mk-41
>mfw its theoretically possible to quintuple pack RIM-162 ESSMs in a chink VLS cell

Oh god I'm hard.

>From their first homegrown DDG to the most advanced destroyer afloat in 15 years
The absolute state of Chinese ship building

>>34812407
>From their first homegrown DDG
>15 years
Ludas are pretty fucking old, yo.

>>34811459
>it's still handicapped with their shit tier ching chong missiles.
Missile tech is probably China's strongest comparative advantage.
Get off 4chan once in a while and listen to what the professionals have to say.

>>34812437
Links?

WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY 128 VLS CHANG?

YOU OWE ME 128 VLS YOU FUCKS.

>>34810915
>but that AShMs are next to fucking impossible to intercept

Opinion discarded.

>>34808736
Well, you see Timmy, in the grown up navies we establish policies for dealing with commonly occurring events. That way, when these events happen you don't need to wait for a commissar to tell you what the proper response is.

The response to a policy event is called a procedure. Some policies and procedures will be specific to a unit or a class of units, others will be universal.

This is all pretty fundamental stuff, I'm sure you could find any number of in-depth explanations on the internet.

>>34812508
See
>>34810041

112 is more than 96

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>>34806938

Looks like murica had problems building a fucking door (that opens in a emergency).

>>34806704
Literally Lockheed Martins official website

>>34813812
>mfw comparing a ships door to an air tight door
and we still landed on the moon

>>34806442
Because gays haven't appropriated the rainbow in China.

Consider that there was a time where a rainbow wasn't a political statment. Regardless of your feelings towards gays I feel it's a sad thing that something that used to be so pure comes with so much baggage now.

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It looks nice

It'd get BTFO by a King Sejong the great class

>>34816235
Lolololololol no.

>>34810915
>.50cent makes claim
>gets BTFO
>tries to change the subject

Every time.

>>34811243
>REEEEEE ITS NOT A MINI BURKE IT WAS A WASTE OF MONEY REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

No.

>>34813812
Funny, I've never seen a photo of a chinese flag in the moon.

I have seen a chinese destroyer being bailed out by hand though.

>>34805601

Well, considering an unarmed Filipino cargo ship took one out without a problem....

>>34812190
>mfw its theoretically possible to quintuple pack RIM-162 ESSMs in a chink VLS cell

Not when you remember you have to have a hot launch sleeve.

>>34814551
Feel free to link the specific page that says which Mk41's are used on Burkes and Ticos.

>>34816605
>''''''Frigate''''''''
>Cant even defend itself against other frigates
Pathetic

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>>34811628
when was the last time america won a war?

>>34818137
Inarguable answer...
https://youtu.be/w-NshzYK9y0

Actual objective answer...
wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deliberate_Force

>>34818169
>Posting the equivalent of seal clubbing

>>34818804
And? He asked, I delivered.

Furthermore when you are america everything is a seal to your massive club

>>34818113
LCS are not frigates, but by defend themselves you mean Harpoons, NSM or RIM-116?