Can someone explain why the P320 not being drop safe is getting

>>34804907
Because glock

>>34804907
Because it's a big failure on the part of a major corporation that's supposed to be bringing top notch products to the table. Combine that with the fact that they also just won a CONTROVERSIAL contract that involved their product not undergoing complete evaluation and testing, and you're bound to get a response.

>>34804907
drop safe pistols have been a standard for decades

nowadays the only pistols lacking drop safeties are either old or competition guns

It's uncommon for a modern duty pistol, much less one extremely similar (sans manual safety) to the one chosen for the main service handgun of the US Army to not be drop safe.

From what I understand, this could've been solved if Sig opted to put a trigger safety on the gun similar to LITERALLY EVERY OTHER STRIKER FIRED HANDGUN ON THE PLANET this would be a non-issue.

>>34804907
Anyone think they're gonna do a buyback? I literally bought mine 2 weeks ago and haven't even fired it yet.

>>34804907
Nobody likes the feeling of someone trying to bilk you with moronic ad campaigns and clever ""value"" engineering. Fuck Exetershit

>>34804907
Because dropping your pistol and getting a bullet in the nuts is kind of a big deal.

>>34804907
What's the story now? Read the last thread we had on this and thought the story was a non-event: that no actual drop ND happened and it was just some mong (deliberately) misreading the manual?

>>34804919
Exactly, "winning" the govt contract implied they had a solid platform that should be reliable in all aspects for military use. They are also being adopted (or were) for widespread police use. When a pistol receives this much publicity and notoriety as being the next great thing widely used and then this comes out it's kind of a big deal.

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>>34804947
Are you the same guy from the other thread?

>>34804936
There's gong to be a voluntary recall next monday
>>34804960
A cop glock legged himself or something like that

>>34804960
There are numerous drop tests on youtube showing the P320 failing drop tests, I haven't read of any actual ND's due to P320 drops but based on recent threads on here give them out to some /k/ommandos and you'll have plenty of reports in a couple days.
>own guns long enough and you'll have an ND
that's the new /k/ mantra these days from what I've read sadly

>>34804947
not that it matters, but you're suppose to bang the hammer forward, not down

>>34804982
You mean a "voluntary upgrade". If that isn't PR smoke and mirrors....

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Not only does it fire when dropped facing up, it fires in other positions too.

Sigfags try to dismiss this as a trigger pull from inertia. The problem is far far worse.

Expect to see a Glock contract soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfe9silCIm8

>>34804973
Yep!

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>>34804990

>>34805031


> >>34804990 here

Ahh wow thanks for sharing, that's crazy what a shit show.

>>34804990
It is not a negligent discharge in this case.

>>34804907

Because they were getting hyped because the Army just adopted them, AND the sig fags wouldn't shut the fuck up about it.

SWEET KARMA
W
E
E
T

KARMA

*Sips more sig tears through his curly straw*

>>34804907
Because of
>>34804929
This

That and the fact that one of the biggest armies on the planet just made a fuckhuge contract to make that their sidearm.

>>34804907
First, it is actually a pretty significant flaw. Second, the army is at a critical phase in adopting it which adds extra drama and speculation.

>>34806159
Third Sig is twisting like are pinned snek refusing to act like a decent human being and business should do. Admitting flaws, apologizing and doing recall. Literally from trolling guide, never openly admit defeat.

>>34805015
Someone should physically block the trigger from moving back and then drop test it.

because it's relatively right after the army announced that they would adopt the 320.

>>34804907
>9mm... AGAIN
we should be using glock 20s

>>34804982
>voluntary
>nah man, I want my very unsafe pistol

Also, if the whole thing is because the trigger's momentum during an abrupt stop basically disengages the block and sear, does this mean if you had your gun on you or in your car, and you either get into an accident or a very very hard and sudden stop, would the P320 fucking go off?

>>34806226
>army adopts 10mm
>ammo production of 10mm goes up
>more 10mm ammo floods the civilian market
>prices go down

I fucking want this.

Happens with Caniks too UH OH BETTER MAKE 16 POSTS ABOUT IT MEMES HERE WE COME

>>34806226
the army needs a pistol not another grenade.

>>34806240
the sig 10mm ammo is sweet. haven't even shot my 3 9mms since i got my g20. don't want them any more honestly.

>>34806250
nice meme bro. bet that earns you a lot of fud points.

>>34806257

>fudblaster

why the army no use this anymore

>>34806250
>the army needs a pistol not another grenade.
Funny. The pistol they have now is just as lethal as a grenade.

>>34804990
>own guns long enough and you'll have an ND
>that's the new /k/ mantra these days from what I've read sadly
Well, no matter how safe you are around a gun, you'll have a ND eventually

>>34804907
Does the fact that it's going to replace the Beretta M9 involved? Just curious.

>>34806539
No, it's the fact P320 was chosen over Glock and now Glockfags are in hysterics rivaled only by Democrats after the election running around looking for any shred of bad news to shit on Sig

The P320 should not fire when dropped, from any height. But Sig will fix the issue and the P320 will still be the Army's M17, that's not going to change no matter how autistic the screeching from Glockfags.

>>34806801
Honestly I think going to striker fired was a mistake from the beginning.

>>34804907
internet snowballing, and the p320 has been getting a lot of attention lately with the us army contract.

>>34806836
Striker wasn't a mistake. Falling for the modular meme was a mistake.

>>34806801
You do understand why it was chosen over Glock, right? Sig bid cheaper and offered the modularity meme.

>>34806836
I agree, there is nothing wrong with striker fired handguns, but we have to remember that most soldiers aren't gun people(at least at the moment they enlist), they aren't exactly proficient with handguns when they finish their training either, so giving them the kind of handgun that is the easiest to have an ND with, just look at statistic of police departments after going glock, isn't exactly a smart move.

>>34804907
Yeah that p250 don't seem like such a piece of shit now huh?

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>>34804907
>How come the pistol adopted by the US military going backwards over a century in safety design and being equivalent to the Type 94 Nambu is such a big deal
Gee I dunno
>Jump into cover
>Pistol discharges into leg
>Bleed out

>>34805776
Kek. It is pretty funny watching those smug SIGfags now getting shit smeared in their faces.

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This is the product you get when a literal (((cohen))) runs your company to maximize shekels. Glock still has Gaston. He's a dick, but at least he's a goy.

Pic related aftermath of dropped crate of p320s

>>34804907
because this is a safety feature that has been on every reputable, and most other, pistols for the last 100 years

and the US army just shoveled out x-illions for it

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>have never ever dropped any of my weapons
>in other for the sig to fire you have to drop it at a certain angle and height that isn't common to people that carry at all
>but if you smash the back with a hammer it will go off or if you hold it in this position at this specific height it goes off too

Not defending the SIG, but wasn't the reason the Glock wasn't picked was because they didn't meet any of the requirements for the trials Glock just submitted it's latest gen pistol?

>>34806986
Na, they were forced to glue a manual safety on their prototype. I don't remember exactly what it looks like, but I remember thinking that it was painfully obvious the safety was an afterthought and didn't look ergonomic at all.

>>34805002
Either way, does that mean we get free new triggers?
Had my P320 for two years now. It's a great gun despite what shitlords say and I love shooting it. This new not-drop-safe revelation is concerning and I want to get it fixed but I have no intention of getting rid of the pistol.

>>34806975
You have never dropped a weapon before? I have, I've dropped a knife before. That can be dangerous, but dropping a knife probably won't kill me.

Take your blinders off, it's not a certain height or angle. watch the MULTIPLE videos on YT

The pistol is NOT DROP SAFE, and that is fucked up (period)

I bought a P320 earlier this year as a duty pistol, and up until now I was very happy with my decision. Now I don't know what to think. I mainly invested in it bc of what I read here, and the govt contract and what not. But this is really bad for the 320, no matter how you look at it.

The damn gun is not drop safe!!!

I cant comprehend how the engineers at Sig overlooked this?!?

What should I do now, I don't feel safe carrying it anymore. Plus I freaking just invested in a compact conversion kit for the damn thing too. Wtf?!?@

>>34806975
>edc muh siggy stardust
>AIWB, low drag, hi speed
>Go to dinner at Taco Bell because poorfag
>wish I would've gotten a HK, but I'll never admit it, sig guy now
>get up from table to get a refill on my Baja blast
>too excited for the Baja, stand up quickly, rear of slide hits the underside of the table
>gets the blast, but not the delicious green Baja I was craving,
>FAWK, CODE RED!

>>34807057
should have fallen for the Glock 19 meme instead
I've put 2,630 rounds through mine with no issues and have dropped it on several occasions without worry

>>34804907
Because Glock lost the MHS contract they are running a smear campaign.

The irony being that the trigger in Sig's MHS is different and is what Sig is offering as a upgrade for all P320 owners.

>>34806975
I foresee a bullet to the nut in your future

Also how fucking dumb are you?
>a certain angle and height in this position

no one fucking drops a gun at any given angle. all it takes is it tumbling and landing on the lucky side for it to discharge you mongoloid.

>>34807057
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/09/mhs-m17-already-fixed-p320-drop-failure-issue-voluntary-upgrade-pistols-will-receive-mhs-triggers/

>>34807029
Just remember that everytime you handle that weapon loaded, you risk a ND. Go get it fixed.

>>34804916
this
glocknade is still soure because they didnt got the deal

>>34804919
>The M17 already has the changes that prevent the "problem"

>>34804982
1 incident versus how many cops have shot themselves with Glocks during normal use?

>>34807531
even though they denied the problem days before to ask the Dallas PD to put the P320 back in their roster

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>>34806933
>Glawksuckers trying to call others out on bad designs

The gun passed the drop testing though.
This means the drop test is not actually effective at catching things.
How many "safe" guns are out there just waiting to nutshot poor Jim Bob?

>>34807587
>he's part of the legion warrior club
UNLEASH THE WARRIOR SPIRIT

>>34804919
It passed MIL-STD-810G you dumb fuck, it was drop tested multiple times

You would know that if you actually owned guns and didn't just parrot what you read on /k/>>34805015

>>34806998
>Glock
>ergonomic
They're never comfortable

>>34805015
It is from trigger inertia you dumb glock faggot, the gun has a firing pin block

Meanwhile gen 1 and gen 2 Glocks also had drop safety issues

Plus the 320 passed MIL-STD drop testing before being accepted

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>>34807669
>>34807695

>>34806182
This news is 3 days old, and they do have a recall now you dumb reactionary fucks.

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What is the likelihood that SIG will give me lots of money if i shoot myself in the leg and claimed I dropped my P320?

>>34807768
Probably less likely than you are to cause permanent damage or death to yourself

>>34807751
on that subject, the fix may not be enough, since TFB was able to make it fire just tapping it in the back with a nylon mallet

>>34807695
shhh nothing will come of this. glock suckers will still be mad, sigs will get trigger safties, and well have bad sig memes for a thousand years.

if you cant throw your gun like a boomarang and take out insurgents around corners why even live.

remember it not a bug its a feature.

>>34807788
The Omaha guys already found a potential fix and told Sig, and thats what SIg is doing.

>>34804907
Drop safety is a big deal. I keep saying this in every thread because someone wants to say "THEYRE TRAINED TO NOT DROP THEIR GUNS", most people are trained to not drop guns, and what happens? They drop their gun. Now take into consideration the average IQ of someone in the military is slightly above Labrador with brain cancer and slightly below chimpanzee. There will be plenty of drops and it only takes one bad one to tarnish Sig's name to a new low.
>Some cop already did it
Fair enough but cops aren't as well regarded as our troops.

>>34807768
You're a retarded for putting ammo in a gun that is known to be unsafe.

I wonder what these threads would be like with less Glock Brand butthurt over the military trials?

On that note, the military is likely to keep the Sigs. And Glock didn't low ball or meet the requirements set for getting the contract.

>>34806933

No, that's the image from a crate of glocks the one with sig is a gif with a crate crashing follow a bunch of bullets going all over the place.

>>34807669
It doesn't matter tgat it passed the "official" test. People expect it to not go off when dropped at any angle, not just the two that are tested.

If anything, military testing will become more stringent. Cars that got 5 star NHTSA safety ratings 10 years ago would be lucky to scrape up a 3 star now. Why? Because the crash test was changed to make cars even more crash-worthy. Small overlap is a bitch, and so is a slide hit to a SIG P320.

>>34807869
>Now take into consideration the average IQ of someone in the military is slightly above Labrador with brain cancer and slightly below chimpanzee


>You have to be better than 31% of the people who take the ASVAB to join the Army at all, and 36% for the Air Force. 40% for the Coast Guard with a High School Diploma
>50% with a GED (60% for AF)
>Have to score at least 80th percentile for any job that isn't being a grunt or truck driver
I get it, you never served, shitbird. Or maybe you're just pissy because you got a 19 on your ASVAB.

>>34807850
No, Sig is offering P320 owners to upgrade to the M17's trigger.

>>34806916
>not saying SigSnobs

>>34808128
"Upgrade"
>a sucker born every minute
American market is potent

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>556 a shit
>MPX a shit
Go figure the 320 is a shit too

>>34808128
Yeah, which is a light trigger and trigger parts. Exactly what Omaha said to do.

>>34808086
>You have to be less retarded than the 30 percent of retards who barely speak English
I appreciate your service but don't go pretending military boys are smart

>>34808203
>Still digging that hole deeper

>>34808086
>you have to be smarter than 80% of the people in the military to be anything besides a grunt or truck driver
You're just proving his point.

>>34808086
>Have to score at least 80th percentile to not be a grunt or truck driver.
I wonder what all of the people who fall under the 80th percentile in the military do.... Do you eat crayons?

>>34808219
Not really. He's claiming that people who work on nuclear reactors and can do satellite connection figures in their sleep are "slightly above Labrador with brain cancer and slightly below chimpanzee".

He's a fucking idiot.

>>34808289
That's Marines.

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>>34804907
Any of you faggots miss the M9 yet?

>>34808291
>The average iq
Do you know what an average is? Because it's not the top 20 percent, though you make a very compelling case that people in the military may all be retarded, good job grunt

>>34808340
You do realize that 50th percentile means the average of the population, right? And that the services, by restricting entry to those at minimum better than 31% of the general population, actually sets the average higher than the general population, right?

Keep digging your hole deeper.

>>34805031

>fully
>fucking
>holstered

>>34808327
Never, it sucks.

>>34808086
The majority of the people who take the ASVAB are drooling retards who couldn't get into college, doesn't take much to be better than 30% of that.

>>34808086
>>>34807869
>>Now take into consideration the average IQ of someone in the military

>>34808291
>Not really. He's claiming that people who work on nuclear reactors and can do satellite connection figures in their sleep

You see how the first anon used the word AVERAGE in the first sentence? average joe is a logistics or infantry fucktard. and you are too son, you are too.

the average enlisted IQ is well below the national average IQ

>>34808384
>hurr durr yurr dum if yuu served

http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns

>>34808409
Literally not what I said

>>34808399
Except it's higher.
http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns

>>34806801


>>34805031
IT WAS FULLY HOLSTERED.

The cop dropped his belt and was shot in the leg, while it was in a holster.

Sig should close shop out of shame.

>>34808399

Also: Don't go using ASVAB statistics as a measure of the intelligence of an average civvie. Fact is that a VERY VERY small percent of the nations population bothers to take the ASVAB. you are simply comparing retards to drooling retards and calling the dry retards exceptional.

>>34808416
Except it literally is. You called all military personnel "drooling retards who couldn't get into college" despite the fact that military personnel have a higher rate of college graduation and do better in college after service.

>>34808429
>Hurr population with higher rate of college degrees are dumb

>>34808421
>>>34808399 (You)
>Except it's higher.
>http://www.facethefactsusa.org/facts/tanks-and-humvees-caps-and-gowns


AVERAGE ENLISTED is the point you fagtroll. Your link is only in regards to Officers, a tiny tniy minority of the military.

You've more than proved my point, and have exhausted my (you) account, I'll have to retire after this

>>34808429
You act like you've never been to a military base. Literally the biggest ghetto outside of the ghetto

>>34808440
No, I said the majority of people who TAKE the ASVAB are drooling retards. Never said that all the people who pass it are, just that they're better than the majority who fail.

>>34808459
Enlisted also have a far higher rate of HS degrees than the general population. I'm not going to let you keep your stupid belief that people have to be stupid to join.

>>34808471
>I'm going to keep on digging my hole!

>>34808485
Do you speak English?

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>>34807768

>>34808491
You clearly have trouble with it, as you can't seem to understand that the military is made up of quite intelligent people that the statistics bear out, but you are locked into your poorly constructed belief that they have to be dumb, because "anyone who joins has to be, I'm smart and I didn't join."

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>>34808376
>You do realize that 50th percentile means the average of the population, right
You're a fucking retard. 50th percentile is the MEDIAN, not the mean. You're just living proof that the army is full of dumbfucks

>>34808512
>Still digging this hard to prove your failed point

>>34808440
Holy shit you are dumb. Generalizations generalize, they aren't used for officers or nuclear supergeniuses. GENERALLY people who take the asvab have exhausted their other options, meaning they aren't qualified for college or likely to do well in another field because they lack qualification. Generally the bottom 30% of any test taking audience is fucking retarded, especially in an audience overrepresented by high school dropouts. Generally speaking you are a fucking moron, though I'm sure you occasionally have a brief lucid moment.

>>34808462
>You act like you've never been to a military base. Literally the biggest ghetto outside of the ghetto


I've seen barracks at norfolk dude, shit was NOT cash.

>>34808516
>damage control now that he knows that he's both wrong and retarded

wew laddy

>>34808520
>especially in an audience overrepresented by high school dropouts.
>People who can't even take the test
You can't even get in with a GED below a score of 50.

>>34808538
>Hurr yurr rong cuz i sez so
Your statements are built on faulty precepts and badly built misconceptions.

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>Be a Glock and HK owner.
>Just like guns and shooting, don't care about fanboyism.
>Get the P320 Compact because what the hell.
>Additional grip module that I ordered from SIG has been on backorder for 3 months; it hasn't been in stock on any site in the web for 6 months.
>Will have to wait for Sig to develop a proper fix after the "voluntary upgrade" may not work at all.
>By the sounds of it, Sig isn't willing to fix it at all.

Wew, lad. Getting a P320 was actually a mistake.

>>34805031
Holy shit

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>>34805031
>Fully holstered
Holy shit dude.

>>34805031
>redditspacing

>>34804907
Butthurt Glockfags

MODS PLS STICKY

>>34808504
Anon.
The people who fail the test are dumb. The people who pass are in the military if they still choose to join.
What I said is that the majority of people who take the test are dumb. This is demonstrably true as many people turn to the military because they couldn't get into college.
Obviously the dumb ones fail.

Christ you're so fucking dumb I wouldn't be surprised if you're one of those failures.

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The p320 is shit.

I can't believe all these faggots who bought one with marked up ""milspec"" prices and now can't even trade them in because gun stores refuse to sell them

LMAO

>>34809286
>not selling privately

>>34806860
>army asks for a modular handgun
>Glock hiballs them with a backstrap
>Glock and their IDF explode into shock and anger when they don't get the contract because they didn't deliver what the Army requested
Reminder that M&P pistols have had modular backstraps for over a decade and that feature has not won them any contracts, why Glock and Glock fanboys think it would be any different for them is beyond me

>>34809237
>This is demonstrably true as many people turn to the military because they couldn't get into college.
Or, you know, they made the smart choice to do four years and get a full ride in college instead of putting themselves into crippling lifelong debt.

Stop pretending "couldn't get into college" is a valid reason for everybody.

>>34809327
>what are scholarships
That is how smart people get into school.
Dumb fucks who couldn't qualify for any scholarships or grants turn to the military

>>34809333
I should add that of course there are people who are smart and go into the military because they want to.
I'm not saying that all people who apply to the military are dumb, but lots of dumb people do apply and take the ASVAB.

>>34809333
I have a friend who even after multiple grants and scholarships had to turn down an admission to Tulane because she and her family still couldn't afford it.

Holy FUCK the gun is a catastrophic failure.
Its literally not even safe to handle lmao
At least now the us military is going to give the contract to glock. They should have done that in the first place but hopefully they learned their lesson.
I can't believe sigs are killing people when they fall lol

>>34809313
Not just that, but they offered two completely different pistols when SIG presented one with two different slide and barrel kits.

>>34809333
>You should have to depend on gibmedats to go to college
Scholarships aren't exactly common, the majority go on loans. Why is it "dumb" to get some great life experience AND free college?

>>34809356
I bet she could have easily gotten into a different university, one that isn't an expensive elite private school.

>>34808069
>People expect it to not go off when dropped at any angle, not just the two that are tested.

Then blame the test.
Do you even know how military procurement works?

>>34809394
I didn't say it was, I said for dumb people that is their only choice so they apply in droves and drive down the average score.
Again, dumb people apply for military because is their only choice. I didn't say that people are dumb because they choose to apply for the military. Those are two very different ideas anon.

>>34809397
And then not get the desirable jobs and research grants because those only go to the elites.

>>34809424
That's simply not true at all.
But the point is she has options beyond the military. Dumb people do not, so they apply to the military at a higher rate and drive the average score down

>>34809415
Except the actually dumb people don't get accepted into the military. A dropout can't just join, and the ASVAB minimum is much higher for a GED.

>>34809453
Why are you so investing in this ridiculous idea that only the dumb join? How does this make you feel better about yourself and whatever excuse you had for not joining?

>>34804907
Because Glockfags are still butthurt

t. S&Wfag

>>34809514
I did not say that only the dumb join, I said that the dumb APPLY.
Christ dude I really think you're just skimming and not understanding.

>>34808561
>Your statements are built on faulty precepts and badly built misconceptions
firstly, I'm not the fucking person you were responding to. Secondly, your knowledge of statistics is dog shit and you should kys yourself

>>34809619
>kys yourself
>kill yourself yourself
I think you should take your own advice, anon.

>>34806975
>Video evidence of sigs failing the drop test from multiple angles including from a holding position

>>34808440
>Average
>All
Nein.

>>34808060

> made for warriors

BUT BE CAREFUL NOT TO LOOK AT IT IN A WRONG WAY IT MIGHT STOP WORKING OK
https://youtu.be/LuPOqDlaX6U?t=64

>>34809645
Except the "average" servicemember is well above average in the population because those too far below average are blocked from serving.

>>34809710
>that where you're wrong civvie

SIG
Our weapon system platforms have served around the globe with police, military, and special forces. With the US Army's adoption of the M17 modular weapon system platform we're proud to offer the SIG P320 Purple Heart limited edition with exclusive access to our Wounded Warrior Club. Now you can join the few, the elite, who have sacrificed defending freedom, from the comfort of your own home.

Join us today and unleash your Warrior Spirit

>>34809712
You can be above somebody below average and still be below average yourself, you know.
I'm not even the first guy, it's just that /k/ apparently can't into statistics, and I say that as somebody who hates statistics.

>>34809746
The point is that, at a minimum, the lowest sevicemember is better than 31% of the general population, which shifts the bell curve of the military population higher.

>>34809761
And the lowest 30 percent of our population are downies, high functioning autists, illegals, and retards

>>34809761
No, they're better than 31% of people taking the ASVAB

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>>34804919
fucking this

And I say we fix this fucking travesty by signing this Whitehouse Petition.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-us-military-conduct-thorough-investigation-m17-modular-handgun-systems-dropsafe-flaw

>>34807669
>passed MIL-STD-810G
>drop tested multiple times
>still fires when dropped

hmm, gets the noggin joggin

>>34809424
>jobs only go to the elite colleges

No, no they don't. Do you know where your primary care physician went to college? No? Then it doesn't matter. Most people don't know nor care if their doctor went to Ohio State, Penn State, Columbia, University of Lexington, Stanford, wherever. They don't necessarily care if they did their Residency at John Hopkins or "insert local mid-size city hospital here".

That's also true for research grants. Look at the large number of state universities who have decent research programs. They may not be Yale or Harvard who can have every program under the sun, but they can still have their own specialized R&D programs.

When half the time Grad Schools are just looking at your GRE/MCAT/HESSI score, it doesn't really matter what Undergrad you go to, so long as you check all the boxes on the application.

>Captcha: Select all cellos
>Acoustic guitar is apparently a Cello now

>>34808462
>Literally the biggest ghetto outside of the ghetto

fayettenam would like a word with you

>>34809922
>Select all cars
>Pick only one with car
>Won't proceed
>Pick all squares
>Let's me through
CAPTCHA!!!

>>34809817
>Implying those taking the ASVAB aren't a valid sample of the general population

>>34809954
Colorado Springs, on the other hand, is a great town.

Maybe it's because a good majority of military bases are in the South or in remote areas rather than the military being the issue.

>>34808698
>webm

isn't this actually possible? i know you can launch a pencil through a ceiling.

>>34809975
possibly, NAS Jax sucks too and it's hardly remote.

>>34809985
With an airsoft gun maybe

>>34810009
How does the saying go in Florida?

"The more North you go, the more South you are."

>>34809955
>not using the legacy text captcha

>>34804907
>DoD not just shelling out a bit more money to replace the M9 with an HK
For what purpose?

>>34809961
It's really not, it's only representative of people with the intent and eligibility join the military.
A tiny sliver of the population, of a specific age range, primarily people straight out of high school.

>>34810106
I don't see how this isn't you moving the goalposts. In what way does this particular sample size favor the intelligence levels in any direction?

>>34810066
Depending on what they get, it could have been cheaper.

P2000 and VP9 are both cheaper than a Beretta M9a2 or whatever, albeit there would be savings in terms of training and parts with the M9 logistics already in place.

>>34810139
Are you seriously asking why a small sample size from a limited pool isn't representative of the whole?

>>34810186
Are you seriously ignoring that a pretty broad cross-section of US demographics are represented by military service?

>>34807768
As long as the NSA doesn't get involved with this post, and you managed to shoot yourself at the proper angle. Maybe make a device with, like...

The gun is ont he end of a lever, bricks are between it and the fulcrum. When the gun hits the ground, it'll sigleg you.

Good luck, anon.

Because Sigfags eternally BTFO and it feels gooooood.

t. Glockfag with a massive erection.

>>34810280
But not by people who take the ASVAB.
And military service itself is a very different demographic than civilians for obvious reasons

>>34810412
DOOD I know this feel. Yesterday I had a 7 rope blowout and my prostate is still sore. Exetershit kek

>>34804907
Considering how incompetent the US armed forces are, id say its a big problem.

>>34807619
Good point desu

>>34810519
Yeah that's why we rule the Free world, incompetent military tactics.

>>34809304
Who'd fucking buy one at this point?

>>34804907
Whew lad. Had my first ever ND a month ago when I accidentally knocked my PT111 off the bed while sleeping. Chamber loaded with safety on, and it has a trigger safety. But it still went off. Put a round through my ceiling. Sold it the next day. Was in the shop last week looking for a new carry piece, looking for something full size that wouldn't go off if dropped. Clerk put a P320 and a FNX40 on the shelf. And I nearly fucking did it. Thank god I decided I was done with strikers and went with the FNX. Dodged a bullet there, literally.
Also, whats with all of the Glawk Fags acting like a failure on Sig's part some how justifies carrying a live grenade for self defense? There are other options besides those two. It isn't a lesser of two evils. They are both shit.

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>>34806933
>Glock is a goy, he would never cheat you!
>sells you a hunk of plastic for $600 that costs less than $100 to make

>>34810572
Plenty of people looking for a cheap gun, and are capable of replacing the trigger or don't care about the risk.
Nobody would buy it full price that's for sure.

>>34810758
>Glocks are uniquely cheap to manufacture; other plastic service autos actually cost hundreds of dollars a unit to produce and are priced fairly

>>34810572

Museums and for practical jokes.

>>34805015
the salt is real

>>34810805
>other manufacturers rip me off too, therefore glock doesn't

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veI5NsDqG9E

J U S T F U C K M Y S H I T U P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUFWXpYJKaI thread theme

I T A L L C O M E S T U M B L I N G D O W N

>>34810374
>>34807768
Don't listen to this idiot, just have a buddy lay down on the ground and shoot your leg

>>34804907

(((Glock))) is clearly weighing in.

Which is funny, because SIG's fix to this issue is to replace, for free, the faulty trigger with a MHS trigger.

>>34811044
>(((Glock)))
>Sig is literally run by a former IDF field commander
wdhmbt?

>>34811044
You're wearing some rosey glasses if you think the trigger is going to fix it. They'll likely need to redesign the slide and or striker

>>34810611
are they known for that?? asking for a... a friend..

>>34809912
>Forcing your petition in every thread
.05 Glockbucks have been deposited into your account.

>>34810941
Everybody does it so you may as well lube up and pick the smallest dick to fuck you.

quick aside point but i never really got the whole glockfags whining that sig cheaped out for the MHS

Glock:
>Makes ~128 dollar handgun
>sells it to cops for 300-350 a pop for departmental deals
>Barely pays lip service to MHS contract requirements
>tries to charge BIG ARMY ~300 per handgun

Sig:
>makes pistol of unconfirmed pirce, likely similar to glock
>Sells guns to departments for ~300-350 a pop for mbigger deals
>offers BIG army a screaming deal at 207 per gun

My favorite part is when people start suggesting that they wont be able to make ends meet with a profit margin that's likely *only* around 40%. They're really gonna have to rely on the public to keep those doors open!

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>>34811955
Beretta and Glock made the classic mistake of trying to give someone what they need instead of what they asked for.

>>34807045
I've never dropped a dangerous object held in my hand because I'm not a bumbling fatass

>>34812042
You've never dropped a heavy or edged object in your life, anon?

>>34811129
The PT111? No idea. I personally haven't heard anything but it did anyway. Other than that it was a pretty decent gun. Light, small, decent capacity and accuracy for its size, and the trigger was surprising good. But I frequently off body carry, especially around the house. Can't afford to have a gun that is going to go off every time it get's knocked around.

>>34811955
Don't forget the Steyr lawsuit, which may result in the price per pistol getting raised.

>>34808327

we still have it my dude

>>34812333
Yeah I have one, just never had an AD, but thats alarming that both safeties failed

>>34806226
>stopping power meme... AGAIN
>10mm meme... AGAIN

People like you should be sterilized, at a bare minimum, to prevent danger to future generations.

>>34812502
Yea because why oh why would you want enough energy to ensure penetration post barrier

>>34812531
>penetration post barrier

I want to live in your meme-world where 10mm is significantly superior at penetrating things that will meaningfully deflect or stop a 9mm bullet.

inb4 you spout a bunch of urban legends and/or link a bunch of non-scientific fudd youtube videos "proving" something that has scientifically been proven to be a non-issue over and over and over and over again

>>34812633
>legitimately an unironically posting that the 9mm has no post barrier penetration concerns
>probably thinks that the increased energy of 10mm wouldn't aid with armor pen in the future using proper ammo either
Wow i mean ok, why not. Not like one of those things clearly has more energy than the other one that has a reputation for relatively poor performance under non ideal conditions or something

>>34812433
Alarming doesn't begin to describe it. I was dead asleep and must twitched or jerked in my sleep. Scared the ever living shit out of me. Thought some one was shooting at me so I went for my gun. Which was on the floor, and had just gone off. Fuck that noise.

>>34810611
That scenario does not describe a negligent discharge faggot.

Anybody do any testing with a p320 that has a manual safety?

>>34812694
Well, time to upgrade sooner to a P2000 than i anticipated and use my Makarov as my nightstand gun in the meantime.

This thing has been on the market for 3 years. There has (so far) been one incident reported. Why should I be concerned? If it was truly an issue, why wasn't this detected years ago?

>>34810611
>I owned a Taurus a month ago
>glawks and sigs are shit

GtFO

>>34809409
I'll blame both. I'll blame the military for abiding by low standards and I'll blame SIG for putting out a product with these issues.

>>34812707
Any discharge of a firearm that is not intentional, is negligent. There is no such thing as "accidental" discharges. Just because it was an accident doesn't mean it wasn't negligent. Whether on the part of the operator, manufacturer, or other sources. It's still negligent. You slag banshee.

>>34812727
Cheap guns should be cheap. Cheap guns should be used for cheap purposes. Cheap guns shouldn't cost 600+ just because they say Glock even though they serve the same fucking purpose.

>>34811068
(((34811068)))

>>34812832
Well this is the way I see it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintentional_discharge_(firearms)

>slag banshee
>tfw that insult doesn't even make sense

>>34812844
Ok bud, you're absolutely right.
Glocks cost $600, and they're just as good as a Taurus.

>>34812844
Did your Dad tell you this?

>>34812255
A gun in a holster is neither heavy nor edged

>>34812982
I am not saying they are just as good as Taurus. I am saying that they serve the role. Paying a couple hundred dollars more for a gun that isn't any inherently better at it's given role is just dumb.

>>34812832
>implying mechanically induced ADs aren't a thing
Almost every unintentional discharge is negligent and not accidental. That doesn't change the fact that ADs do happen. Those are simply the discharges that occur under normally safe handling practices that result in a discharge due to mechanical failure.

>>34812973
Give me a legitimate case of a firearm going off that wasn't a result of some individual or manufacturer?

>>34813023
Than that is negligence on the manufacturers part. That is my point. Just because the responsible party is different doesn't mean the result is.

>>34813011
We're talking about "Dangerous object"s anon, not specifically guns. Didn't you read the thread?

>>34813058
The context of the thread is a fucking gun in a holster

>>34813002
>>34813002
Common sense and not being an autist about my my guns told me this. See you next year summerfag.

It'll probably be good for Glock in the long run that Sig got chosen for the MHS, because if it's anything like Beretta, god knows that after 20 or so years of service, former servicemen will be screeching about how their Glock pistol that they and nobody else in the military ever cleaned or maintained is a piece of shit, just like what happened with the Beretta.

>>34813091
Maybe. I personally like Berretas. But I never laid hands on one in the service that wasn't a beat to shit used out rag. They don't handle that life well. Doesn't make them bad guns though. Just bad service weapons. To many people on this board confuse quality in what the military needs in a gun to quality in what they need in a gun.

>>34813050
Unless you're fucking talking in terms relevant to your point of view(the person in "control" of the firearm during discharge) like anybody else who has a fucking lick of sense.

If you perform an act that results in the firing of a gun that would have otherwise been safe handling if it were not for a poor design/poor QC then YOU havent ND'd

You AD'd because you couldn't have known better. There wasn't anything else(reasonable) that you could've done ergo your actions were NOT negligent.

The Manufacturers negligence does not suddenly become the negligence of the dischargee because a discharge happens.

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>>34810758
id pay 500 extra bucks for a gun that wont shoot me in the face if it falls the ground

>Be me
>Inna starbucks
>Sig brand Sig P320 in my laptop murse loaded in it's hardcase
>As I get up to get my coffee and StarbuckswichTM my murse falls on the ground
>My P320 lets of a fully semi-automatic 15 round burse from within the case within the bag. The murse flies around the coffee shop, depositing 9mm into the walls, into a coffee machine, into some guys iLaptop, and into some lady's small poodle like dog - coating the walls in dog blood
>Spaghetti flies out of my pockets at Mach 5, some of it wraps around a teenage girls neck, her face turning purple before finally collapsing.
>Spaghetti, dog blood, urine all over the floor, coffee everywhere
>Police finally arrive
>Take me in
>Eventually let me go and are thankful it wasn't a .40 glock because quote "if it was a Glock Forty everyone in there would be mincemeat"

>>34813183
You wouldn't; you're too poor.

>>34813167
I disagree. If your firearm goes off as a result of manufacturer error, it's still negligent. You aren't the guilty party but some one is responsible. It isn't an accident. A tree didn't fall on your car. The path didn't suddenly give way underneath your feet. And tornado didn't strike. Those are accidents. Those are unavoidable. If the firearm went off unintentionally than some one fucked up. And some one is responsible. That isn't an accident. I respect if you feel differently, but that is just how I feel about the issue. And I am the anon who's Taurus ND'd a few weeks ago.

>>34805776

I still don't understand why this "muh chassis system in a p250 frame" gets so much hype and every police and military organization just has to have it.

>>34813183
>glock
>paying extra for the safety it provides
lol okay. Hi-Points are reliable and safe and cheap. Where's your Hi-Point anon? Why pay the extra for a Glock when it won't do anything that the Hi-Point won't?

>>34813221
>this salt
lol

>>34813034
Not that anon but, Read the fucking Wikipedia article. He said thats the way he sees it. I think most people see it that way.

>>34813226
TBQH what you're saying is more like

>Johnny says that he accidentally ran Susie over because his breaks failed and otherwise it would have never happened because he was driving safely
>THIS IS WRONG!!!!! Johnny NEGLIGENTLY ran over susie because Ford sold him a car with bad brakes, RAUGRGRHGYAYUGHBYHEBGHF IF ANYBODY IS AT FAULT IT WASNT AN ACCIDENT HNDSABNHDBARA!!!!

Suck a dick senpai.

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>>34813245
no this is a good point

a highpoint has better design then a p320

>>34813292
Oh, yea, and fuck your opinion that shit's tarded.

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>Live in NH (drug infested den)
>Huge Sig displays at all the LGS's
>Even look at applying to jobs in Exeter

Bought this two weeks ago. Feels bad anon.

This is getting a decent amount of play on local media too.

>>34813305
No, you're the retard here.

>>34813320
>literally doesn't understand how one person being at fault for an incident doesn't make some other person who acted in a non negligent fashion at fault for it simply for being the vehicle directly delivering said incident
Mhmmm. Im totally the retard here, good argument.

>>34810984
that is some seriously un flattering lighting on Patrick's face

>>34813221

>you're too poor
>defending the 320 and not your Legion 229

You fucking poorfag

>>34808382

(You)

>>34813348
Your greentext doesn't fucking make sense my man. And you admitted to owning a Taurus a month ago that went off when it fell. Please, kys

>>34813292
No, what I am saying is that in that case, Ford is the negligent party. Not Johnny. Do you even fucking read before you respond?

>>34813404
I am not that anon you are replying to. I am Taurus anon. Not sure what he is on about.

>>34812751
This

>>34813348
>>34813404
Oh wait no now I see it. Yeah you are fucking retarded. Just because the operator isn't responsible doesn't mean some one is. If some one IS at fault, than it isn't an accident.

>>34807549
>NDs are the same as a faulty trigger design that sets the gun off when dropped.

>>34813280
>An accidental discharge (AD) may occur when the trigger of the firearm is deliberately pulled for a purpose other than shooting—dry-fire practice, demonstration, or function testing—but ammunition is unintentionally left in the chamber.
literally the first fucking sentence. Stopped reading there senpai. That's an ND. That is an operator ND. That is the taboo of ND's. That is the "oh no it isn't loaded" and now Johny's head is all over the the house ND. There opinion on the matter is flawed from the get.

>tfw the army will still be using the 320 and there is nothing glockfags can do about it

I've already put the Apex in my 320, wish I wasn't a big bitch and would try some drop testing with it.

>>34813507
Just take it to the range and hit the back with a big book. Report results. If it was a Glock I would recommend doing so in body armor with a face shield in case it detonates, but you should be good.

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I think the worst part about this is that it begs the question of how many other "drop safe" handguns there are.

>>34813524
The proper way would be to put it in a vice to negate any chance of inertia pulling the trigger. The video by tfbtv clearly shows him pulling the gun into the hammer causing the inertia problem.

>>34813536
I think we can safely assume that Glocks (in their factory configuration, at least) are drop-safe, since if they weren't, fanboys of other, less perfect handguns would never, ever shut up about it.

>>34813572
I'd say as long as you keep all you fingers on the grip, hitting while holding it should work well enough.

>>34813489
The negligence is in buying exetershit

>>34813582
No they just blow your fingers off.

>>34813404
Not me nice try tho

>>34813429
Ford IS the negligent party. That DOESNT make the accident a negligent accident because it was purely accidental as far as the classically assumed to be responsible party is concerned. Any negligence was on the part of ford and does not change the accidental nature of the event in respect to the driver.

>>34813459
Dude you're retarded. You tried to say that there isn't any such thing as an accidental discharge because somebody had to be negligent. If somebody upstream of the actor was negligent that doesnt make the downstream actors actions negligent as their behavior wasn't negligent.

IF THE PERSON DOING THE DISCHARGING DIDNT BEHAVE NEGLIGENTLY THEN THE DISCHARGE WASNT NEGLIGENT.

The discharge was simply the result of another person/entities negligence.

The negligence of another can clearly result in what is an apparent accident to a speaker.

>>34813584
I may try it. I'd figured a video would have been made about it already

>>34813585
What the hell are you talking about? We aren't talking about manufacturers. We are talking about what entails an ND.

>>34805015
Yeah that's not trigger inertia.

>>34813599
But is does. It wouldn't be an accident. If Ford produced vehicles with faulty brakes and they resulted in accidents than they would be responsible. Everyone would hold them accountable. If another Ford then crashed under similar situations. No one is going to go "oh maybe it was an actual accident". No! They are going to know exactly who was responsible, who was at fault, who was negligent in the incident.

>>34806241
The Army didn't just adopt the Canik and no one has ever pretended the Canik is a good pistol.

>>34806801
>Damage control

>>34808192
Sig knew of this problem at least a year ago. I know the guy who posted:
https://www.ingunowners.com/forums/handguns/411232-thinking-sig-4.html#post6595511
and the incident he refers to is legit, involved an engineer from a large accessory producer, and that Sig was involved in investigating it.

No doubt there have been others.

Which is obvious because there is no way Sig could, within a couple of days, go from denying there was a problem and there have been no incidents "in the US commercial market", to having a fix engineered and tested and ready to roll out.

Not saying the Omaha guys didn't independently discover a fix, but Sig has known this shit for a while.

Also fuck Ron Cohen he should be kicked out of the industry. First he runs Kimber into the ground, now he is following the same playbook at Sig. Guy is an expert as squeezing the last drop of value and credibility out of brands other people built.

>>34813610
Dropping a gun and it goes off isn't a ND. That's like saying your brakes failing on your car is negligent driving. Quit parroting some bullshit fudd dad told you when he let you shoot the 10/22

>>34804907
its a despicable piece of plastic i cant believe sig climbed onboard the plasic shit wagon.
plastic should be outlawed

>>34807695
>dropped with barrel pointing low, so the trigger isnt getting inertia backwards, but forwards
>still fires

>>34813666
Once again clarifying. I am the anon who knocked his Taurus of the bed a while back resulting in a discharge. And I am saying it was negligent. Not because of anything I did or didn't do. Drops happen. But Taurus definitely is. It still is a negligent discharge. Regardless of what party is involved to what degree. If a human some where in the great chain is responsible, than it is negligent on their behalf.

>>34813142
>beat to shit
>still works
I'd say they're excellent service weapons.

>>34804907
The Army just selected it as their next gen pistol.

>>34813730
Yes Glock is aware

>>34813582

Glock is the only one that's for sure safe- there have simply been so many torture tests that someone would have killed themselves long ago if it weren't. DA/SA guns should also be fine as long as they're dropped on DA- the P09 MHS would have been safe as well, had CZ not pulled out of the competition.

VP9, P10C, PPQ etc. how many are "drop safe" just because they passed the same test as the P320, but dangerous if dropped at other angles?

>>34808086
>>Have to score at least 80th percentile for any job that isn't being a grunt or truck driver
Pray tell what percentile does "average" fall into, because you're in it.

>>34813730
when the Chinese finally attack all they have to do is transmit the right energy frequency beam and all military weapon melt in soldiers hands
brilliant

>>34807695
>Plus the 320 passed MIL-STD drop testing before being accepted

We know, sigger

The bigger point here is clearly the MIL-STD-810G is meaningless- passing it means jack shit if the gun still goes off in an orientation where it's likely to shoot you or people near you.

>>34813745
Do you think people will start testing those the same way as the sig has been done or are we gonna let them slide out of fear of the results?

I figured all of this going on would cause websites and YouTubers to be trying other guns

>>34813729
That was my problem. They didn't. I made sure to use the same gun at the range that I carried. And I had entirely to many stoppages and failures for my liking. I kept my gun gun clean as could be. But I wasn't the first, or even second or third operator. And I couldn't even guarantee that some one else wouldn't use my gun while I was away or off. They make great dedicated sidearms. But not for the service

OMFG SIG can eat a bag of dicks it's official. You get raped because of how you dress.

"If you build it completely drop safe, you legitimize mishandling. Inherently guns are not meant to be dropped, and are unsafe when dropped.”

http://soldiersystems.net/2017/08/08/sig-sauer-acknowledges-p320-trigger-issues-with-30deg-drop-m17-mhs-unaffected-announces-voluntary-p320-upgrade/

>>34809961
THEY LITERALLY FUCKING AREN'T YOU UNEDUCATED NIGGER

>>34810758
>Paying $600 for a Glock
>Ever
Shop around.

>>34813050
Nigger what the fuck? I understand what you're trying to say but that's fucking retarded.

>>34813745

Both vp9 and ppq are drop safe. A drop or a hammer blow can allow a sear-striker release on these 2 pistols because both use a FULLY tensioned striker. However the gun will not fire because both have firing pin blocks in the slide that requires significant trigger travel to even hit. And as you know the triggers have that safety dingus that will prevent trigger travel. You can read more about this on pistol-forum, guy could have a striker release with a mallet blow but stated no primer indent due to functioning firing pin block.

The cz p10c should also be drop safe as it is a partially tensioned striker similar to flock with all of the same internal safeties within. I am just not a fan of cz fit and finish and it is too early to buy a pistol that will have teething issues.

>>34811987
>.40

>>34815237
>muh modern bullet construction that makes 9mm "just as good"
>oh, wait

>>34815237
>more powerful than 9mm

>>34813664
>Guy is an expert as squeezing the last drop of value and credibility out of brands other people built.
>Ron Cohen
Gee I wonder why. Must be a very obscure and hard to think of reason.

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>>34815431

>>34805015
Jesus fuck another one!?

>>34804907
Because sig shit has been rolling down hill for a while and they've been pretentious as fuck with the Legion and MK25 so they deserve to be ripped apart.