What did /k/ think of Dunkirk? Saw it today in Imax. And Jesus

>>34802550
Not enough diversity. What about the POCs that fought and died there? Remember them!!

>>34802550
I thought everything it pretty average. Definitely not a film I'd watch twice.
>the sounds were really good though

>>34802591
You see that half the French cowards were black?

>>34802598
I have to disagree.
Nothing about it was average, for better or worse.
Average means like most other movies.
There is no other movie like this.
This is just 90 minutes of climax of another movie.

The sounds were amazing, but so were the visuals. Like, how can you talk shit about anything about the Bane in Plane scenes?

>>34802550
>It felt like Nolan got some Spitfires and filmed them
http://www.warbirdsnews.com/warbirds-news/dunkirk.html
>>34802645
>french cowards
But the film portrays the French as heroes for holding off the Germs while the brits run away.

>>34802667
No I mean the literal French cowards
The ones who were on the pier trying to push themselves onto the boats.

I think the movie did justice to the French.
Especially with the opening French barrier
>Allez, anglais. bon Voyage.

And
>Nolan really flew "Spitfires"
Based.

How does it compare against Saving Private Ryan?

>>34802752
Equalish.
The opening scene of SPR will be very very hard to ever surmount.
But Dunkirk does things with aircraft that has never been matched.

Watch Dunkirk in theaters as soon as you can.
It's abound sound. It's very loud. Gunshots are rare. But they're really loud

I'd say that Dunkirk is like 50% Normandy scene but sustained for 90 minutes

>>34802550
Imax completely ruined the movie for me. The fucking stukas were like jet engines and literally every second was booming. Seriously they did a close up on that officer guy on the dock and all i heard was the annoying ass booming of boosted bass. Aside from that the movie was okay, had no sympathy for that dumb kid who died and while I really enjoyed the plane scenes, some of it was a little silly like the bf109's flying solo, the JU87 flying alone, the he 111 having like one escort who did nothing.

>>34802871
Maybe that was your theatre
The sound mixing was great for me.

I loved the Stukas. Especially the "scream" when they pulled out of their dive. That never shows up in movies.
The first dive was amazing.
Main character guy looks up and sees the silhouette in the uniform sky. And then the screeching.
So good.

But yeah, I didn't like how sparse the AF scenes were.

>>34802598
agreed. expected more from what everyone was saying. not even more action, which there really wasn't a lot of. just more of a better movie. and the end especially had me pulling my hair out. i left disappointed.

>>34802902
The rifle sounds were great as well, especially in the beginning part when the squad is moving through the town.
>that one hero shooting at the Stuka with his Enfield
RIP ;_;

>>34802871
>had no sympathy for that dumb kid who died
agree with this also. that entire plotline was unnecessary and contrived.

>>34802940
That first shot literally made me flinch
It was so fucking loud and not just "IMAX" loud, but sharp and sudden
That was Nolan's intention. Gunshots aren't fun and easy to just ignore.

Same with the "target practice" scene

>>34802645
I have to to disagree to your disagreeing. I meant average for a war film and it probably just comes down to my personal taste, but I had very hard time liking the pacing of the movie. I didn't like how the time kept jumping around and I didn't like most of the characters. I couldn't even bother to remember their names. The visuals were okay in my opinion. A good lot of scenes were spectacular though. I loved almost every dogfight and I like the scene where they drowned in the lower parts of the destroyer. That scene brought back memories of the pearl habit movie where the sailors were slowly drowning and they were sticking their hands out of the hull (I was really young and that shit scared me so much). The dive bomber scenes were very nice too. The sounds they made with the building of tension as they get closer really put me on the edge of my seat.

>>34802943
I feel like the kid was Nolan's way of wanting to have civvies die in the Dunkirk rescue but not wanting to commit another boat.

Like a civvie had to die to make the rescue have stakes.
But having another boat would stretch the plot too far.
So a person on the main civvie boat had to die.

I like that Murphy's character did it. Because he was a "coward" and that allowed for the other kid to not blame him.
That showed Britain's "stiff upper lip".
The "Keep Calm and Carry On" attitude

Also, 100% fuck that fucking commercialisation of that slogan

>>34802993
>Like a civvie had to die to make the rescue have stakes.
he perhaps thought so, but it was quite heavy-handed

>>34802902
>The sound mixing was great for me.
like how the german aicraft MGs only let out a cannon-like boom for every tracer disgorged?

>>34802967
It's pretty apparent, but I liked this movie a lot.
I actually came out of it thinking about how people could not like it as much as I did.
I'm glad you offered a rational alternate opinion.

I only saw this movie a few hours ago so I'm still digesting it. But I also thought that the mixed up timelines may not have been necessary and that they may have made tensions slack off a bit, maybe?
Or maybe that the mixed timelines made the movie have a consistently stressed tone?
If it were told in a linear fashion, then it'd have a building tension.
This way, all mixed up like, it was consistent all throughout till the end.
Not sure whether that is better than the other way.

And yeah, the dogfights were the highlight for me too. It didn't feel like movie bullshit. It felt real. As real as it could ever be

>>34803026
>like how the german aicraft MGs only let out a cannon-like boom for every tracer disgorged?
They were close enough that the difference between seeing the tracer and hearing the shot wouldn't be able to be registered.

And no, it's not that the tracer shots were louder. All the bomber defense shots were as loud

>>34802752
Nowhere near as intense.

>>34803052
>it's not that the tracer shots were louder. All the bomber defense shots were as loud
seemed like the opposite to be: i remember a a loud BOOM-BOOM-BOOM in time with the tracers that could be distinctly contrasted to the spitfires' rattling mgs, but i won't be watching again to confirm.

>>34803059
SPR is only intense during the beachhead sequence and the battle for the bridge at the end.

Dunkirk manages to spread out tension for the whole film quite evenly, and I found the intense scenes in Dunkirk to be far better than SPR, particularly the scenes involving the sinking ships.

>>34803077
>to be
to me, rather

>>34803077
The German bomber MGs were slower weren't they?
Autocannons more like?

Yeah, you're right, they were a BOOM-BOOM-BOOM at roughly a second interval, but that was just the regular firerate, eh?

>>34802752
Ryan was better.

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>currently joining the Navy
>every Naval ship sinks
>all those terrible deaths by drowning

>>34803103
In 5 years time, I think they'll be equally considered canon in WW2 movies

>>34803088
>SPR is only intense during the beachhead sequence and the battle for the bridge at the end.

I always thought the sniper in the rain scene where Vin Diesel dies was kinda intense.

Did Stukas really sound like that?
Like, at the bottom of a dive?
They didn't make that typical "Waayoooooogn" sound like you hear in older movies
It was a real "SCREEEEEEEEEEEE" in this one when they flew right overhead

>>34803098
>that was just the regular firerate
i'm not up on the armament of the particular aircraft (either 7.92 or 12 mm MGs), but even the 13 mm MG had a 900 rpm cyclic rate

>hardly a single Scottish, Welsh or Irish accent
>Meanwhile the 51st highlanders are sacrificed to hold off the Nazis and promised to be evacuated next, the English get in the boats and fuck off home.

Wasn't even covered.

>>34803194
The credits listed Highlanders
Were they the "Grenadiers" that the main character tried to get in with?

>>34803194
Dunkirk is not a documentary.
Are you going to complain about the lack of representation from Indian colonial troops as well?

>>34803218
nah, nobody wants to see them shitting all over the beach

>>34803250
Yet the main chararacter was always trying to shit

>>34803035
>same guy
Thank you for your nice response and thank you for the nice discussion.

>>34803263
yet refrained when the situation called for it. also, i had a bit of trouble telling the two shirkers apart

>>34803218
>>34803206
It just would have been nice if they mentioned the treachery of Churchill. Fighting off tank divisions with no proper anti tank weaponry to hear on your radio that the beaches had been evacuated and everyone was safe was a knife in the back to the poor buggers getting shot to pieces.

>>34803281
Yeah, if there's one improvement to Dunkirk, I think I'd have to say more of an acknowledgement of the other people fighting to keep the British evacuees safe.

My great grandpop was a Highlander btw
He got a Nazi pistol, sword, and a few armbands

also, i didn't think the movie really conveyed just how much of a disaster it was. the british and french were surrounded and chased off the continent, the BEF left essentially all its heavy equipment in france (and we see on the beaches like 9 trucks and a bunch of helmets), and the one soldier is worried about the people being disappointed in them and the people give absolutely no fucks. it was great to get the personnel back that escaped, sure, but those were bad times in britain

>>34802550
It was trash and I only watched about 40 minutes before I decided it was one of the worst movies I've ever seen.

>>34803325
Our heavy equipment wasn't up to much tbf.

>>34803325
>he one soldier is worried about the people being disappointed in them and the people give absolutely no fucks.
I think this was a really good thing and an important thing

The British were extraordinarily resolute. It's one of the major reasons why we're not speaking German now

>>34803337
>The British were extraordinarily resolute. It's one of the major reasons why we're not speaking German now
are you french?

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>>34803332
sometimes you're alright, trip.

this time, is not one of those times.

>>34803353
If Britain fell, don't count on America being so immune to the War in Europe

>>34803378
there was no chance of britain being invaded, let alone the us. you watch too much netflix or whatever channel that horseshit was on

>>34803364
The movie was just terrible and I left, not even joking. The intro was very poor, the story was incredibly bland for the time I was paying attention, and the transitions between different scenes was horrid. A few years ago I saw a rerelease of apocalypse now at a local theater and that is truly a masterpiece.

>>34803378
Operation Sea Lion would have been a spectacular failure, total loss of all German manpower sent. It would have sped up the war in British favour.

>>34803394
If Britain surrendered under the Blitz, then the War would have gone in a completely different way.
No reason for Sea Lion.

With the entire German war effort on the Eastern Front, Kursk may have gone differently.

Whatever way you think things should have or would have happened, Britain remaining in the war, no matter what, made a difference

>>34803423
i'm not saying britain would have surrendered, christ. i'm saying the movie portrayed very poorly the stress and gloom that the evacuation of the continent portended

>>34803423
The blitz only pissed the public off, there was no danger of starvation, and they could barely land a glove on any northern cities.

>>34802550
Only the first few minutes were good, the start and when they hit the beach after that is was just boring ass talking, I went into it expecting some gun fights here and there but nope just dudes swimming or trying to reach a boat fucking boring shit.

>>34803444
Are you implying that the British were still hopeful in 1940?
Losing France and being forced to endure Dunkrik was not an optimistic situation.
It was very much stressful and gloomy
Like that one character kept saying that he and the BEF were failures

>>34803444
It only strengthened peoples resolve further.

>>34803337
>The British were extraordinarily resolute
except for the main character who, along with his cowardly french friend, enterprise to lie, cheat, or steal their way onto a ship ahead of people who are rightly queued up

>>34803476
And that's why the British are commendable
If Los Angeles were bombed today, right now.
They'd give up in 30 minutes

>>34803469
>Are you implying that the British were still hopeful in 1940?
take a second to slowly read what i wrote and them come back to us

>>34803487
True
But he wasn't emblematic of the British
He was a shit person and everyone he met recognized it

>>34803489
If it were bombed some country's capital would be white hot in minutes.

>>34803504
Sorry, I'm quite drunk now.

I think that the other guy than Main Character Guy on the train did show the gloom that you were implying was lacking

>>34803506
>He was a shit person and everyone he met recognized it
he was played as the hero in the fishing boat, standing up for his cowardly friend. the other soldiers were definitely portrayed as the evil ones there

>>34803520
>Sorry, I'm quite drunk now.
fair enough. i was talking especially about the british public upon their return, but we'll agree to disagree

>>34803518
It's easy to talk shit when you have fat dick nukes backing you up.
But that wasn't how it was in 1940

If somehow, with 1940 tech, if LA was bombed like London really was.
They'd have surrendered.

The Brits are respectable, commendable, and admirable for dealing with what they did

>>34803593
>but they weren't wrong.
i agreed with them, but they were protrayed as the enemy

>>34803629
>The French?
the brits in the fishing boat. that's who we're talking about, yes?

>>34803332
Not enough allahu snackbaring and goat fucking for your tastes?

>>34803634
Sorry, I was a bit confused.

Yes, they were the aggressors
That is as much as the "enemy" as you can tell.
They were aggressive against the stranger
I guess that makes them "wrong".

If you think deep down, I don't think any person can call the British soldiers "wrong".

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>the first time we hear a Spitfire shoot

>>34803552

Not him, and nothing against the Brits, because I think you're right, but if LA were bombed only LA would surrender.
The rest of the US would get furious on their behalf, damn whatever they think about themselves, and want to ruin the day of whomever dared touch America, even if the Americans that were hit by it the worst are too idiotic to want the same thing.

>>34803364
The fuck are you talking about?
Muslimbro and TooOldToBeHere are the two most cancerous trips on /k/

>>34802550
Pretty bad, I'll point out the areas that made me cringe:
[spoiler]
>squad dies to German infantry in the most retarded way possible, and protagonist is sole survivor.
>5 minutes later, he's shown walking on the beach of Dunkirk, which implies that the Germans are within a mile of the coast.
>2 minutes later, 8000 british infantry are lined up on the beaches without any fucking ships in sight. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU STANDING THERE FOR?
>muh stukas, MUH SIRENS
>500kg bombs make nice clean 5 ft. craters.
>Oh yeah, and do you like dialogue in your movies? Maybe some acting ability besides standing and staring at a point that the director told you to look at?
>Yeah? Well Nolan says 'Fuck You, you don't need character development'
etc. etc.

[/spoiler]

>>34803855
>>500kg bombs make nice clean 5 ft. craters.
This triggered me
I liked this movie a lot
But this stuck in my craw
Tiny ass bomb blasts
And
NO
FUCKING
BLOOD

>>34803855
Agreed, I thought it was fucking boring.
>Despite being surrounded the squad at the beginning is having a leisurely stroll through the village until they get slaughtered
>Sole survivor is never bothered by this is even mentions it despite his 8 closest friends dying in front of him hours before
>Every boat sinking scene felt like deja vu
>Planes come
>Boat is hit
>Starts to capsize
>Some guys get away
>The rest get trapped inside and drown
>It was like he filmed one boat sinking using a shit ton of scenes then split it up into 5 groups to have 5 boats sink
>Plot with the civilians was boring as all fuck and had next to nothing happen
>Kid dies from hitting his head like a pussy

Overall I thought it was well filmed but just horribly boring, a retreat is not an interesting thing to watch

>>34802550
Massively overrated

>>34803088
Dunkirk was melodramatic, overly mawkish and effeminate trash. SPR was gory, comically machismo-filled and explosive-filled MURIKKA FUCK YEAH redneck fuel.

They both have their audiences, is what im saying here.

This thread makes me want to purge this entire board.

Effects were great, action was tense and good, dogfighting was phenomenal, but holy fuck there was almost no characterization with no silent moments for juxtaposition.
It was OK overall.

>>34803923
kys mate

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>>34803945
Uh oh! Somebody done went and got mad! You gonna be okay?

>>34803955
>no characterization
?

>>34803987
He's saying he wants to know who the soldiers are dating at home and how the women will deal with being away from their source of money for so long.

>>34803194

Make your own movie instead of bitching and whining like a feminist.

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>>34802733
> literal French cowards
If I remember correctly the French who escaped were redeployed immediately back to France after reaching England. And some the French on the docks were injured as well. Maybe we can a film about the free French forces someday

>>34802960
This.

It should be like this with all gunfire with movies. Loud and sudden, but not loud enough to give you hearing damage like real gunshots.

>>34804027
>yfw "Allez Anglais. Bon voyage"

I was bugged by the unrealistic dog fights. Flying out to the channel was very taxing on fuel. The 109's would only have five minutes of fighting time before needing to fly back. The spitfires would not fare much better. The cannons on the 109 should have absoulutely wrecked the plane irrevocably instead of doing seemingly nothing in some scenes. Crashing into the ocean while buckled in would almost always kill you.

>>34804060
The Spitfires only had 15 minutes of combat time though.
They had total contiguous 1:1 screen time

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>>34803923
This desu. Dunkirk overdid with the drama and romanticism. And maybe I'm just being too stereotypical here, but it was rather light on guns, explosions and exhilarating noise, and tried to win over audiences with it's cheap use of nonlinear narrative.

And that score, that fucking score was another level of awful. is the concept of subtlety occur to anyone who was working on this film's music?

>>34804351
>is the concept of subtlety occur to anyone who was working on this film's music?

Is the concept of subtlety familiar*

>>34803955
>I actually want to have that same bullshit campfire segment that's in 99% of war movies where everyone talks about their newborn daughters, girls back home, and dreams of starting a business
End yourself, the fact Dunkirk avoided that crap alone makes it a great war flick

>>34804351
> it was rather light on guns, explosions and exhilarating noise
>>34804365
>Is the concept of subtlety familiar
lmfao

>>34803378
>(You)

Maybe your post just ruffled me because I share this continent with Yanks, but there absolutely no way in hell that Germany with 1940 logistics and an insurgency nightmare at home would have set sail across the Atlantic for North America and have survived an invasion for any meaningful length of time.

I mean talk about a turkey shoot.

>>34804427
This
>Oh I'm John Johnson from Texas. Yeeha I hope I get home. I just love my horse Daisy. My paw didn't want me out here.
>Oh noooo, I'm dying. Save me Protag-san.

Dunkirk was good because it didn't try that emotional manipulation shit

>>34804060
>the unrealistic dog fights
The dogfights in Dunkirk are arguably the most realistic ever put on the bug screen.
> Flying out to the channel was very taxing on fuel.
And that's literally one of the focal elements of the entire Air arc. Or did you not get the constant checking of fuel gauges?
>The 109's would only have five minutes of fighting time before needing to fly back.
And that's kind of refelcted, seeing as the combat depicted in the air takes place in a time frame less than half an hour.
>The spitfires would not fare much better
See above.
>The cannons on the 109 should have absoulutely wrecked the plane irrevocably
109s had regular MGs too
>instead of doing seemingly nothing in some scenes.
In every instance of the Spitfires taking fire, it drastically affected their performance. Ferrier no longer had his fuel gauge, his wingman was forced to ditch, and the flight leader was killed outright.
>Crashing into the ocean while buckled in would almost always kill you.
This is actually valid.

>>34804465
Not in 1940, of course.
But if Britain gave up entirely, then Germany would have been to dedicate itself solely to the Eastern Front
And that was a crapshoot.
Would Kursk have been such a disgusting bog if the Luftwaffe was entirely dedicated to it?

Even if the Russians lost, how would the Americans attack Europe if Britain was allied to the Germans (allied in as much as the French were)

Overlord could have only happened with a free Britain.

>>34804552
>/k/ constantly bitches about boring war movie cliches
>gets a movie that goes out of its way to avoid them
>/k/ bitches that it didn't go through the motions of the mentioned cliches
I think this board likes to just bitch

>>34804442
First of all
>And maybe I'm just being too stereotypical here

Secondly, they don't contradict each other given their roles. Coming from a history of many war thrillers, I (maybe mistakenly) expected 2 hours of boom, shock and awe with few relieving scenes of humanity, not some navel gazing tearjerker character drama. The guns shouldn't at all be hidden, they should be firing for as long as is sensible to keep thriller junkies hooked. But then again, maybe this wasn't a movie aimed at a traditionally gunplay obsessed audience (of which I'm an unapologetic member) so I'll factor that in.

Now onto the score; background music is supposed to be furtively evocative; something so low-key that the audience isn't at any point during the movie actively focusing on it but still hears it as an organic component of the movie. It shouldn't be obtrusive. Dunkirk fucked this up badly with it's 2 hrs of swelling operatic earrape.

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>>34804597
congratulations you cracked the code

the movie was amazing and Nolan is god tier director, but for some reason he hates the lower half of Tom Hardy's face, and is infatuated with finding big actors to give no lines to.

also I love how he couldnt resist a little mindfuckery by having the timelines overlap at different points of the movie, in the different points of view

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLUyEXO-jI0

>>34804649
> I (maybe mistakenly) expected 2 hours of boom, shock and awe
>A Christopher Nolan flick
You have to be 18 to post here

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>>34804649
>expected 2 hours of boom, shock and awe
Sorry, were the three full-scale ship sinkings, 20 minutes of dogfight scenes, and multiple bombing attacks not shocking and awe-inspiring enough for your ADHD-gripped noggin'? Maybe some obnoxious Michael Bay-grade spark-thrower explosions every ten seconds more to your speed instead?

>>34804704
All you say is true
But did we ever really REALLY understand the stakes?
I mean who told us about their girlfriends, wives, and children at home?
Yeh, people were being bombed, torpedoes, shot at, but why did we care if we din't know about the WOMEN who were really suffering at home?

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>>34804704
>Sorry, were the three full-scale ship sinkings,
All of which were very brief and repetitively lensed

>20 minutes of dogfight scenes
Much in the same way that any episode of Dragonball has 20 minutes of fighting (in other words, fluff, filler, and obnoxiously long buildup culminating in a surprisingly unsatisfying fight)

>and multiple bombing attacks
All of which were cringe-inducingly unrealistic (Unless all the bomb physics in Britain comes straight from the universe of Hanna Barbera and Looney tunes)

>not shocking and awe-inspiring enough for your ADHD-gripped noggin'? Maybe some obnoxious Michael Bay-grade spark-thrower explosions every ten seconds more to your speed instead?

Dunkirk simply watches like the cerebral-palsy afflicted bastard child of Flags of Our Fathers and Les Misérables. As audience reception has shown, it's isn't going to the SPR killer that we were promised during the promotional period, it's isn't going to result in a multiple oscar haul, it's not some insta-classic like one hopeful in this thread wishes, It's just going to be "That decent Nolan movie from the summer of 2017"

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>>34804813
I didn't even like it and this was still cringe.

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>>34804813
>(Unless all the bomb physics in Britain comes straight from the universe of Hanna Barbera and Looney tunes)

>>34804813
Jesus you actually have awful opinions and taste

>>34804843
Transformers is his cup of tea.

>>34802752
Apples to oranges

I just watched a Russian bootleg copy

1. I'm glad I didn't spend money on it though you can tell the sounds would have been killer in a theater.

2. People didn't seem to act naturally. Maybe it's just me but if my friends had just been shot or blown up by a bomb that landed mere feet away I wouldn't get up and get back in line on the middle of the beach.

3. The planes were gorgeous and the scenes with them were the highlight of the film. That being said the dogfights were not realistic at all. Everything was way too close together and they never felt in the correct scale so to speak.

4. I didn't care about any of the characters and will not remember a single scene from this movie cone two weeks from now.

Not a classic I'm sorry

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>>34805087

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This movie pissed me off, not because of the autistic shit some of you spergs are screeching about but because I'm reminded of how far we've fallen as a society.

>>34805290
>4. I didn't care about any of the characters and will not remember a single scene from this movie cone two weeks from now.

>Not a classic I'm sorry

These. I enjoyed the movie, but i have to disagree with everyone ITT who says that its going to be in the pantheon of war flicks. It sadly isnt because its a forgettable popcorn blockbuster.

>>34804813
You're being extremely harsh in your review. Again its nowhere near as good as the shills in here are shouting, but you make it sound like it was a cheap B movie.

>Dogfights at well below stall speed

This movie was burning trash.

>>34802645
>Bane in Plane scenes

HNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG The SPIIITTFFIIIREEES.

I lost my shit when that pilot turned out to be Tom Hardy, and Churchill's speech being read to the backdrop of the burning Spitfire legit gave me chills, and made me tear up a bit.

Nolan knocked it out of the park.

>>34805372
Why does Nolan hate Tom hardys face! Don't even see it until the end of the movie

I Agree, plane scenes were spectacular. the fucking dead stick victory on that dive bombing 109 was ORGASMIC. I love this for showing war happening to people, with next to nobksy being a hero instead of it being a "war movie" with the battle followed by lull followed by a battle.

>>34805537
>why does he wear the mask
1. Part of the flt kit
2. More importantly; I think it was to keep the audience from focusing on Mad Max swatting Germans with .303, and let the action speak for itself.

To put it another way; it doesn't matter who the pilot, this knight of the sky, is, but rather what he is doing that you must focus on. Also, like a knight, Ferrier does not remove his [helmet] mask until the battle is over.

3. The dramatic "Holy fuck thats Tom Hardy" realization adds to the significance of the ending

4. Had Hardy's face been shown, we would be too busy snickering to ourselves about Bane memes to enjoy the fighter scenes.

>>34805630
He didn't fly so good

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>>34802993
>Commercialization of keep calm posters
My University ran ads for a language immersion class that literally read "Keep calm and learn German". In retrospect, I really should have taped up a nice
>Implying
In green crayon

>>34805630
That's an excellent interpretation. During the movie I knew it was better that it was covered, the man as an individual melted away. it immersed the scene and kept the focus off the man himself.
and yet still it didn't run into the usual issue of making each soldier hard to identify, which is usually why movies don't have masks.
The ending scene where he removes his flight gear did indeed come off as cathartic, a visual representation of finality. Dunkirk excelled at visual cues and unspoken language.

But I find how Nolan keeps giving him mask roles to be worth a giggle anyway.

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>>34805315
daaam, and I thought that there is something wrong with my country

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>>34805290
>That being said the dogfights were not realistic at all. Everything was way too close together

>>34805353
>use actual planes to perform actual dogfight maneuvers
>anon thinks this apparently was not possible and that they should have been falling out of the skies
/k/ has turned pretty fucking retarded

>>34803194
The blonde-haired pilot was Scottish, and Cilian Murphy's character was obviously Irish.

>>34802550
>inb4 triggered wehraboos

>>34806557
Gun convergence of most fighters was around 750 to 1000ft with engagement distances hundreds of yards apart.

Combat fighter formations were not like the fucking blue angels our there flying wingtip to wingtip.

>>34806573
Apparently if you're not actually shooting live ammunition at incredibly rare warbirds /k/ will call it trash.

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Dunkino is the ultimate pleb filter.

>>34803423
>Kursk may have gone differently.
definitely would have gone differently.

>>34803364
I wish Johnny Labs didn't get murdered.

>>34807745
>aye, hans! Hans!
>what up, christopher?
>i need a score for my latest movie.
>tell me what's it about, so i can do a unique score cristopher
>nevermind, just do that fiddle in staccato like you always do

>>34808034

TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK TICK

>>34808034
>>34808079
You're talking shit, but the ticking motif in the score was absolutely effective

>>34808085

I loved the score I'm just shitposting. I loved the movie and can't wait to see it again in 4k.

>>34803143
Not that anaon but you're right
The Upper MG was given sound effects as thought it was a 20mm cannon.

The He-111 sometimes had a nose cannon, its possible they fucked it up and thought the top gun was the cannon?

>>34802550
I thought it was boring. I regret paying to see it.

>>34803130
They fitted sirens on Stukas to make them scream, the faster the dive the higher the scream went.

>>34803526
Overly simplistic, it wasn't portraying them as evil - just desperate

and he wasn't being a hero - simply Naive

>>34803130
The Stuka sound that everyone knows of and has been condemned to being a stock plane diving sound effect was originally from 1930s propaganda films. The relative primitive nature of recording equipment then combined with decades of audio corruption as it was converted and tweaked means what you consider a Stuka siren has half of the elements as it really would have.

>>34803526
>evil
They were terrified and their sole focus was surviving and getting home. The lead for the Mole arc was no different, he just wasn't willing to shove a guy who he had personally witnessed save his own life above deck to get ventilated.

>>34803194

The two main infantry characters met up with Highlanders before hiding in the beached boat I thought?

>>34807700
Practically every testimony from ace pilots claim that dog fighting was mostly done at close distances, and by surprise. As in you come in from behind and take them out quickly. The only way to take them out quickly and reliably is to be as close as possible. You're retarded.

>>34803461

don't worry there will be another marvel movie or politically correct remake along for you any day now.

You can waddle down to the drive in and enjoy some popped corn and your 5L cup of slurp and suck.

Hopefully, you won't get shot.

>>34808632
Me too. I guess my problem is that i went into the theater expecting Saving pvt Ryan and unfairly judged the movie solely by that standard.

>>34808899
Close is not 90ft away with the targets wings filling the entire reticle.

Most engagements were not that close otherwise the guns would have been sighted for dozens rather than hundreds of yards.

FFS getting super close to a bomber that has rear firing weapons is just asking to get blown out of the sky.

The reason why Dunkirk's score was so intense.

Ignore Vox, it's actually interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVWTQcZbLgY

>>34809017
That's what a lot of people are doing.

>>34809071
Bruh you ever play IL-2? You totes wait until they fill up the reticle

>>34808994
underrated post

>>34809071
>FFS getting super close to a bomber that has rear firing weapons is just asking to get blown out of the sky.
The iteration of the HE-111 used at Dunkirk had a fixed rear guns that were more useful for scaring inexperienced fighter pilots than actually shooting them down.

>>34809161
Sorry I meant canopy not reticle lol

Listening to a discussion about this movie on military history visualized YouTube channel right now.

The movie was decent.

But sadly, it's not going to be the genre defining super movie that we were promised. It really is just another war drama, unfortunately.

>>34807700
Why are you categorically denying evidence that is being plastered in your face in picture form? The top ace in fucking history is on record saying he'd only fire when aircraft were filling up his windscreen.

>>34804813
I agree with a few of your points but you make it sound like it was shit, which is inaccurate. The bombs were laughable, but be charitable enough to understand this wasn't intended to be a realistic gorefest war movie.

>>34809271
Yeah, i also found it to be a bit of a let down, especially after the trailers had be thinking that this going to be the greatest historical period drama of this decade.

Taken by itself, is a magnificent visual feat, but its main flaws become glaringly obvious when compared to other landmark war movies. A lot of the movie really did feel like makeweight, and the use of alternate back-and-forth chronology couldn't hide this. A few scenes of engaging action here and there but once there was a lull, you quickly realize that the movie easily loses its momentum. Camerawork and eyecandy props withstanding, the reason it's going to become a historical footnote in the record of war movies is that it simply lacked substance.

TLDR; It wasn't bad, infact it might be one of 2017's top ten films, but it's not going to be a giant of the genre.

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dunkirk was pretty much perfect
Chris Stuckmann hit the nail on the head with this movie, rubbing shoulders with the classics imo

>>34802752
SPR is much better. Dunkirk is pretty boring

>>34802752
They're not in the same league. Saving Private Ryan is way above it.

>people unironically comparing SPR to fucking Dunkirk as if they have anything in common besides being set in WWII
/k/ is truly lost

>random squad walking around in the middle of enemy territory, in the middle of the street.
>cut down in like 3 bursts of german light arms fire
>"MC" walks for like 4 minutes, implying the front line is a km from the beach (does Nolan know what artillery is)
>Brits just fucking standing around in lines with no boats
>Stuka, at least they got the sound right, dropping like 8 bombs, and direct hits from those bombs result in paltry explosions, rather than blowing apart people into nothing
>in particular the bridge getting bombed seems to suffer a couple of splinters, and the dude who gets A DIRECT HIT just kinda bounces up in the air
>BANE uses fucking gallons to measure fuel and not liters. wtf
>little puffs of smoke are the only representation of air to air damage.
>a plane with no fucking gas left manages to shoot down a dive bombing stuka in a perpendicular flight trajectory.
>Bullets blowing cleanly through .5inches at least of steel hull plating.
>bullets blowing through water, and then half inch of steel
>Highest ranking army officer is a colonel.
>No tanks, no supplies, no trucks, no motorcycles, just bongs standing on a beach.

I mean seriously how could anyone take this movie seriously. Nolan just used extremely jarring sound effects to make it try and appear less PG 13

>>34812239
This is the most autistic kvetching I've seen in a while

>>34802752

Saving private Ryan is fiction.

>>34803423

This. Also 20 million Jews died in Auschwitz.

>>34812334
so is the dunkirk movie

>mfw i run out of gas in my spitfire at 500' altitude
>mfw i coast the entirety of the dunkirk beach, waving at my lil niggas
>mfw i do a complete 180, coast back up the beach, and engage and shoot down a dive bomber that was threatening my lil niggas
>mfw i coast the entirety of the dunkirk beach the other way, waving at my lil niggas again
>mfw i could've just coasted the fuck to england

>>34812857
Dunkirk is a fictionalized take on a real event.

SPR is essentially fictional despite being very loosely based on the story of four brothers in New York State.

>>34812857
Dunkirk is based on a real event.

SPR is about mass murdering German monsters slowly knifing Jewish soldiers.

>>34802591
I really hate that shit, but I wanted to see more sikh soldiers

>>34811190
>Chris Stuckmann
You have to be 18 to post here

>>34811609
There aren't many modern WW2 epics, it's a completely reasonable comparison.

>>34813458
>it's a completely reasonable comparison.
Neat, when we gonna start comparing Flyboys to All Quiet on the Western Front?

>>34802871
The 109's weren't even actual 109's. Look closely, they have Merlin engines.

>>34813482
One of those isn't modern, and one isn't an epic. Nice try though.

>>34812239
>fucking gallons to measure fuel and not liters
You do realize that spitfires have their gauges in gallons right? Also this entire post is full on autistic

>>34802550
I found the "soundtrack" to be tiresome after a while; too much ticking and just ambient noise.

>>34802940
Did he die? That scene was confusing

Bombs dropped on all of those people, then it showed a panning shot of them all getting back up with no bodies on the ground.

>>34813628
But anon, they're both flicks set in WWI!

How about this; let's talk it over while we compare compare SPR with Thin Red Line. And Dances With Wolves and Gettysburg. And this apple with this orange. Should be a hoot.