/SIG/ SIG Implosion General: Endless Damage Control and Assdevastation

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FIRST FOR SQUISHY SQUISHY 2.0

>>34797476
>/Glockfags circlejerk General/

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I like my sig.

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Team SIG here, we won't go down without a fight.

I think I'll write an email to FOX, CNN, and MSNBC. "After millions spent in research, mlitary's new gun never completed testing, fires when dropped"

>>34797516
Go down without a fight? No.
Go off without a fight? Yes.

>>34797529
New autonomous sidearm fires with no user input how will the chilluns surfife?

Remember the people who got duped into buying Sig Legion pistols? People bitch about HKs being expensive but at least they don't have finishes that flake off and shit QC.

>>34797545
Shut the fuck up, Sig is the only manufacturer who's pioneering in the field of iron oxide weaponry.

>>34797545
>duped
My Legion was nice and had great QC with no issues whatsoever. I just got bored of it and sold it to fund another project. I'd buy another Legion now that the P220 Legion is out.

I would never buy a P320 though.

>>34797566
Can't find this tweet, but I'm sure he'd write something similar if we all tweeted him videos of the tests

>>34797566
I want to believe

>looks like glock's back on the menu boys!

>>34797476
>http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-sig-sauer-offers-voluntary-trigger-upgrade-p320-pistols/
Guess I'm getting a trigger upgrade. Just a range gun anyway, s not fumbling around with it while chambered.

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>>34797476
>Offering free trigger upgrades including ehnanced "drop performance". Not being offered to US troops.

Link to the press release: https://www.sigsauer.com/press-releases/sig-sauer-issues-voluntary-upgrade-p320-pistol/

Why not just release the details now? Are they hoping this will all blow over? This is my carry pistol, you assholes.

>>34797730
>This is my carry pistol, you assholes
f

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>>34797730
>my carry pistol
>tfw

>>34797730
>it's not a recall guys we just UPGRADE™ your gun :^)

>>34797827
For free! Such bargain. Much wow.

>>34797730
If you'd fallen for the Glock meme, you'd have had to pay an extra $150 for a trigger that's not drop-safe.
Think of all the money you saved!

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>complain about how glockfags have to upgrade everything before the handgun can be used effectively
>need to upgrade(tm) your trigger so that your gun doesn't go off when dropped

>>34797870
I bet your SHITTY GLOCK doesn't have a stock autonomous firing system. Get with the times, Gaston.

These glockfags need to get over themselves. SIG shows what an amazing company they are by pouncing on this problem and giving their customers a free upgraded trigger. Glock would never do that.

>>34797674
For the M17? Nope.

>>34797920
Perhaps because Glock's triggers aren't faulty and deserving of a recall

>>34797870
You are angry that Sig stole Glock's meme status.

>>34797998
Yeah, as a reliable, durable and trusty granade

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The military should have selected the FN 509.

Sucks for our soldiers.

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>glock vs sig
tried both. liked the sig better. rip police contracts tho.

>>34798044
https://youtu.be/hlAsSyDAWR8

Sig has inadvertently created the perfect room clearing weapon

>>34797998
I think you replied to the wrong person. I just think it's funny that Glocks were shit on because people liked upgrading theirs, which some tards took to mean that stock Glocks must suck. Now, though, stock SIGs are going off when dropped and need a trigger upgrade to be drop safe. That's what I find funny.

>>34798058
SQUISH SQUISH SQUISHY

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Miss me yet?

Lets be honest sig really fucked up here and the only thing more disconcerting than the p320 NOT being drop safe is sigs reaction to it. This free voluntary upgrade shit is disgusting.

The fact that this doesnt apply to the MHS handgun(rather specifically) combined with the fact that sig apparently already has the parts/knowledge necessary to fix the problem leads me to believe that they were knowingly selling a less safe version to civilians. Seems like a real "we're HK and we hate you" kind of moment. Wouldn't wanna put those contract bux in jeopardy...

Frankly I've been waiting for the manual safety model to become non vaporware so that i could purchase one as a mid sized carry gun. Now im seriously reconsidering that. Waiting a few years to see how the design really performs might be a better idea. Plenty of mature designs that i could use instead in the mean time.

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>>34797850

>>34798108
>Frankly I've been waiting for the manual safety model to become non vaporware so that i could purchase one as a mid sized carry gun

I've never heard them say they were going to sell a version with a safety to civilians.

>leads me to believe that they were knowingly selling a less safe version to civilians

Honestly, I blame the civilian market partly for this, as it seems no one I talk to likes the idea of safeties on pistols at all. As an example, here's how my conversation when at the fun store went when I bought my P320

>So, this thing doesn't have a safety huh?
>Nope.
>Not even like, a glock style safety? Isn't that bad for a carry pistol?
>Ha ha ha, you don't need any safeties anon. Just practice proper trigger discipline and you'll be fine.

Got to love the glawkfag "muh military" argument. Go ahead and try hillary your way into a contract.

>>34798197
Yea imho the whole "the only safety a gun needs is your trigger discipline" idea is a meme at this point. Your average striker fired gun is functionally the same to the operator as a SAO handgun with no manual safety. They tend to be more drop safe but that isn't an inherent feature of the design as the p320 clearly demonstrates. There's a reason those have classically not been peoples first choice of serious use/duty firearms.

>I've never heard them say they were going to sell a version with a safety to civilians.
Im pretty sure they have or at least have implied such. They said something about not offering them in mass until they get larger departmental orders for them for some reason though. Pretty sure they're already being sold in one of the ban states(Ma or Ct maybe) as it was the only way to get into the market but i don't wanna buy one just to have to buy all new mags.

>>34798058
The 509 fails when dunked in fucking WATER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkaYMhSUIeo

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>>34797476

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>>34797476
I need a quick rundown

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>>34798415
How about you fuck off and click the links in this thread, you dick

New testing footage released an hour ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zG_jt_CG3c

>>34798487
>>34798487
Too slow

>>34798287

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>>34798415

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Press F for sig's dignity.

>>34798257
>"the only safety a gun needs is your trigger discipline" idea is a meme at this point"
Kind of surprising how far companies go in terms of trigger action (as demonstrated by p320), but I'm sure it increases sales. I'm also sure that balancing trigger pull and inertial discharge was just part of the development process and they didn't cover every base. I understand not wanting manual safety, but I'm definitely in favor of trigger safety or grip safety for firearms used in non-controlled situations. There should be multiple mechanisms to prevent discharge, not just a single internal firing pin safety.

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>>34797730
It's my carry also

>>34798632
F

Even if they fix it, no one will forget this. Kinda like Glock early .40 cal chambers.

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>>34797730
>not being offered to US troops
Like rubbing salt on a fresh wound

>>34799170
Cause their guns already have the trigger in it

>>34799170
Army issued guns have manual safety and the "upgraded" trigger already

>>34799195
That kind of safety shouldn't prevent the drop discharge

All P320 owner report in

>>34799223
Source on them having the upgraded trigger already?

>>34799323
I think it's messed up sig has the fix already. It's like they knew.

>>34799384
Of course they knew. Now they make money on people buying the new trigger.

>>34799323
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/daniel-zimmerman/breaking-sig-sauer-offers-voluntary-trigger-upgrade-p320-pistols/

>>34799397
kinda hard to make money when they are doing basically and warranty work

>>34799427
Don't feed the muslim, he already derailed a thread today

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>>34799441
oh sorry

>>34799427
The jews will find a way.
>>34799441
It takes two to tango kiddo.

>>34799323
>>34799384
>>34799397
>it's like they knew

Why would they drag their feet on something that's costing them some serious Flak? Its pretty apparent from the video that the problem is that the trigger is too heavy plus the problem was identified almost as soon as it happened. Besides they don't have them available at the moment, they said they will release more info about the new triggers on the 14th.

>>34799456
Because their legal advice and corporate share holders were willing to roll the dice instead of owning up the the flaw and peeling off a couple shekels then for a fix

It isn't surprising coming from this degenerate company. Their marketing, design, and branding is disgusting

>>34799408
well, that's fuck up, if they already knew, and also, doesn't match with their previous statement after the Dallas police department retired it from duty.

-DallasPD: We are pulling this gun out because it's not safe
-Sig: No it's actually safe
-Omaha Outdoors: ACKCHYUALLY....
-Sig: Well, we actually knew, we knew so much that the m17 is fine...here, have a free trigger.

>>34799492
i know it sucks but they are at least going to fix it. I own a 320 compact and absolutely love it for carry and plinking.

Where have they said the fix will be free? Last I read they were still deciding if it was going to be or not.

>thread is full of dumb trip muslimbro spouting garbage
what a shock

>>34799541
>two posts
>thread is full
spotted the butthurt faggot

St...stop bullying P320-chan! She's trying her best!

>>34799575
She just shot you in the face because she is nervous! she didn't men to!

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>literally just bought a 320

fuck me I actually like the damn gun

>>34799555
Even one post by you is too many

Get and stay get

>>34799613
nope, stay bootybothered.

>>34797991
Except for the gen 1 AND gen 2's

But you don't actually own either so you wouldn't know you dumb faggot

>>34799397
It's free you dumb haji

>>34799473
>CEO is (((Cohen))), former IDF
>trying to save some shekles by shipping guns with safety issues
Color me shocked.

>>34799613
Just call him a daughterfucker. He really doesn't like that to the point he will clam up and either leave or refuse to respond to you.

>>34799672
I'll fuck your daughter.

>>34799661
Furthermore selling cheap rebranded chink optics, filling their pistols with Indian produced mim parts, and failing to produce aftermarket parts that they promised. Nobody should buy the cheap Jew sigs.

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I was thinking about getting a P-01, but at this rate I might just buy a G19 since I despise SIG fags and make them salty.

>>34799685
Dont project your sickness, m8. I just hope you don't act on your urges, I hate you but your daughter probably isn't as much a cunt as you.

>>34799708
>project
I don't think you know what that means.

>>34799687
SIG is fucking nuts, last time I checked they are gonna start selling MLOK MCX's for like $2k. Who the fuck would by a MCX for that much when you could build a GUCCI AR or BREN for less, or a SCAR 16 for a few hundred more?

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>>34799605
Too bad their service life was shorter than "The Mooch". Otherwise they would eventually be collectible.

>>34799728

The extra cost is for Sig Perfection.

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>>34799729
>implying the army is going to drop it
Its funny how newfags forget how much a clusterfuck Beretta rollout was.

>>34799716
And I dont think you get what not molesting your daughter means but we all know how you roll.

>>34799728
Sig fanboys, the kind that justifies having your gun shoots you because you have butter fingers.

At least the MCX already had it's mandatory sig new product recall

>>34799769
That's a highschooltier rebuttal, are you even old enough to post here kiddo?

>>34799835
Says the guy whobfucks his daughter and who's main rebuttal is 'your mother'

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This kills the sigfag

>>34799890
Did he died?

>>34799874
Jokes on you faggot, I don't have a daughter lol.

>>34799756
The beretta rollout? shitty mags and slides. Nothing like this.

>>34800043
Sigfags are so desperate. It's hilarious.

>>34800043
They blew up when fired 9mm NATO

>>34800043
Try frames cracking in half and slides fracturing

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RIP in pepperoni pizza Sig, you had a good run.

>>34797476
So what do I even do now? I bought a Sig P320 last week and now find out about this shit?

I guess I'll send it in after that after the 14th if what they say is true about the "upgrades", but I kinda feel like SIG just screwed us over.

>>34799555
>>34799541
Lol trolled
Maybe even samefag

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIscL-Bjsq4 thread theme

>>34797529
Same here
Send them the vids

>>34800774
kek

>>34800774
>implying the army will back out of the contract
Too much at stake for that, it's just going to be reworked and put back into the field, wouldn't be surprised if they just slap on a 10 pound trigger and call it a day

>>34800774
giggled

>>34799908
I organized its sections for SIG and then, yes, the industries, EVERYTHING. Are you scary like a baby! Ladylike! Dresses like a pumpkin. SIG could feel itself become disassociated with one ship the pistol market may die from the lad poisoning can kill animals, especially household pets. All it takes is the nicest trigger, I only way that gas out your pistol barrel while continuing to starve the SIG fans for a few days, then that day, but I cannot function in social settings unless I imagine that it is not a... caricature. It is not caricature despite adopting caricature as its visual shorthand for something that goes wrong in our consciousness and freewill for individuals as we know, and started using a mechanical blowback mechanism which was the downfall for modern firearms.. That black night, SIG did what I wish I couldn't believe I had been rolled around and publicly chastise and berate others feel like he would make HK weep. This is where could my pipe be?

This... this false modern life.

>>34800912
dude what

>>34797730
>This is my carry pistol
RIP anon, killed by is P320 when he sat down in his car seat

>>34799307
Looks like the P320 has systematically killed all of it's owners already

>>34801394
Eh I own and have been carrying one for 5 months now. I've been wanting to put an Apex trigger in it so I'm waiting to see what they do

>all of this "SIG IS SO SHIT BECAUSE OF ONE MALFUNCTION LMAO"
glocks LITERALLY FUCKING EXPLODE because of their shitty plastic and NOBODY GIVES A FUCK.
This board is so GODDAMN S.T.U.P.I.D. YOU FUCKING SUCK HK'S COCK WHILE IGNORING THE SLIDE ISSUES IT HAD BACK IN 2005, OR HOW GLOCKS ONCE SHIPPED WITHOUT A FUCKING FIRING PIN.
YOU'RE ALL FUCKING STUPID

>>34801394
no its because we dont sit here on /k/ all fucking day biotching about some minbor fucking issue..

>>34801488
>glocks LITERALLY FUCKING EXPLODE because of their shitty plastic
>when you bring up an ancient meme but still manage to get it wrong beyond recognition

Maybe this is some kind of avantgarde trolling?

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https://www.instagram.com/p/BXjTrASneFG/?taken-by=tfbpatrick

J U S T F U C K M Y S H I T U P
U
S
T

>>34801488
>s.t.u.p.i.d.
You have autism

>>34801488
Does your dad work at sig lmao
This is the most I have seen this taken personally out of all the shills

>>34801543
Tell me, you Glock cocksock, how did I get it WRONG?

>>34801557
Or so says the one shitting on a pistol all fucking day on a Mongolian horse riding enthusiast forum.
>>34801559
>shill
No, it's because I'm not a disloyal fuckwit and I know to stick by my guns. I've literally ventilated a home intruder with my P320 once.

>>34801560
>unsupported chambers in early .40 Glocks result in catastrophic failures when paired with overpressure ammo
>GLOCKS LITERALLZY FUCKING EXPLODE BECAUSE OF THEIR SHITTY PLASTIC

Was there actually something you got right?

>>34801587
>No, it's because I'm not a disloyal fuckwit
It's called sunk cost fallacy
>I've literally ventilated a home intruder
kek

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shiggy

>>34801560
>>34801587

Oh, it IS avantgarde trolling.
9.5/10, a jolly good show. Virtually indistinguishable from actual Sigfag damage control.

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>>34801615
delet this

>>34801604
its because the plastic couldnt withstand the pressure. again, shitty plastic.

>>34801488
>>34801587
Imagine how upset one must be to post shit like this.

>>34801640
>it's trolling because SIG is better than people make it out to be and I'm the only fucking person able to understand this

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>>34797501
Ayyyyyyyyy

>>34801615
Wait that doesn't make sense the other video makes it look like inertia from the fall pulls the trigger

>>34801747

The operative words being
>makes it look like

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>>34801724
Ayyyyyy

>>34801724
>>34801783
this unironically makes my penis erect
what has /k/ done to me

>>34801551
Jesus

Fuck I should go back to glocks then

>>34801615
Fuuuck, it's not even safe inside a holster. Literal nightmare fuel

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>>34801675
>the plastic parts are put under pressure

>>34797476
>Not being offered to US troops.

The .Mil version already has a trigger upgrade that reduces the trigger mass enough to prevent this.

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>>34797476
Can someone make a webm of that scene in True Lies where JLC drops the UZI and it fires falling down the stairs? Instead shop a P320 over it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2zG_jt_CG3c

>>34801849
>UZI
>is actually a MAC-10
wdhmbt?

>>34801551
Can't wait to see further backpedaling from sig apologists. This gets worse and worse.

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THIS JUST IN
FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH SIG

>>34801615
Literally neo-nambu tier

>>34801846
Check >>34801615
It might not be just the trigger that needs fixing

Jesus fuck Sig what have you done

>>34801783
I don't like two tone guns often, but that looks nice.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/08/08/p320-failed-without-even-dropping-no-plans-test/

Just put a fork in them. They're done.

>>34801587
>ventilated an intruder
Settle down Paul Harrell

>>34798257
>More drop safe

Is there any source for this? Not trying to grill you, I'm just curious. Ive tested my 1911, sao cz, and hi power with the hammer test and if the hammer drops it's stopped by the half cock notch, so the primer's never actually gone off.

>>34797730
Just don't drop it loaded in your home

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>>34801615
Loading instructions directly from P320 manual:
>for LEET SIG Operators only!
>load hand gun
>press check
>smack back of slide to confirm battery
>BANG
>take mag out to refill 1 round to get +1
>holster

>>34799605
My US Army friend before all this said US Army Sig P320 is shit.

Sig Sauer should be banned for any future bids for lack of RND.

>>34801866
Lmao. I've always remembered it was an UZI for some reason.

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>>34797501

>Paying an extra $200 for a "COD Limited edition Navy sealz sticker."

LMAO get a load of this tool.

>>34802018
You forgot the last part
>holster
>BANG

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Oz6krEH_I

To think people used to pay $1700 unironically for a Sig Sauer before this WEEK

>>34802024
But my us army friend said the US army sig is good.

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>>34801941
Hahaha
Too bad, I kinda wanted one.

>>34801488
Get me in the screenshot

>>34801551
"A PR and ethical disaster" are too light of words for this fucking shit

>Buy SIG
>gently holster it
>BANG

>Buy Glock
>gently pull the trigger
>Explodes in my hand

>Buy Hi-Point
>gently throw it in the fucking trash where it belongs

>Buy CZ
>miss every shot because of shoddy Czech crafstamanship

>Buy Springfield
>Jams

>Buy S&W
>breaks whenever someone looks at it

>>34802018
>>34802063
It's called dynamic percussive feedback.
Not surprised my fellow americans don't understand operation at this advanced level (pioneered by SAS)

>>34802081
My U.S. Army friend said its shit
I also think it's shit

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>>34797476
>Sigfags acting like hot shit when their pistol gets picked for its low price and is excused from any further testing
>it turns the gun is demonstrably a lethal threat when it falls down on hard ground with a round chambered, unlike the overwhelming majority of handguns designed in the last 100 years

The contract is not going anywhere, but sigfags will literally never recover.

>>34801615
I wonder if releasing the slide from lock is enough to set it off.

>>34802118
>Buy a Ruger
>Tear a ligament pulling the trigger


I do love Ruger otherwise though.

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Yall fucking forgot the handgun was perfected in the 80s.

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Hey guys! Chrck out this cool sniper rifle.

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>>34802152

Wrong pic.

>>34802152
That's not the Bren Ten, dumpass.

How come there has been no cases of this until now? I mean there are thousands and thousands of 320s out there

You know the Germans make gud stuff

>>34802179
Because most people don't go throwing their guns on the floor at a specific angle.

In other news, Gaston Glock was rushed to the hospital after a laugh induced priapism cut off oxygen to his brain.

>>34797476
>made in USA

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RIP

>>34797496
What's wrong with that? It was sigfag circlejerk general when it was picked. Are we not allowed to enjoy watching the current hipster gun crowd cry, as they get a nice black eye? This is the only real positive that comes from all you fanboys parading your shit around like you invented it. Watching you throw your whiny tantrums. Today is a good day.

inb4 you call me a fanboy of some other company. I own a diverse collection, I just hate fanboys.

>>34802249
Don't worry the money from the army contract will pay for his medical bills...oh

>>34802349
Don't worry, the money from all the LEO contracts and private sales he's made for the last 30+ fucking years will pay for the bills.

>>34802393
All that experience sucking dick and he still couldn't win the army over

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>>34802054
Guess how much i paid.
>>34801724
>flat rail
Meh.

>>34802417

I heard the navy seal logo makes you qualified to handle hostage situations, and commands respect on the range.

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>>34802467
All this is true.

>>34802411
That's what happens when you don't adapt over time, you get complacent.

>>34802411
>>34802349
If I were glock, I'd play up "When the army asked for us to cut quality and cut costs, we refused" then point to sigs being poprocks for adults.

>>34802417
LGS had too good of a deal for me to pass it up. Worth it.

>>34798632
Signity

>>34802170
The Bren Ten was an overcomplicated CZ clone with no magazines.

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>>34802638
Eat a dick it was too pure for this world.

>>34799170
You should read all the posts before rambling on. Makes you look uninformed and retarded. Only civilian models effected. The M17 already had the upgrade.

>>34802702
The m17 hasn't really shipped yet. Sig could say anything about what it has or doesn't have and there nobody could prove them wrong.

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>>34797476
I told yo dumbasses, there is only one Glock killer.

>>34798821
People forgot about the Early Glock issue. Apparently you and I are the only ones in here that remember that. So is that what your implying, it will be forgotten also.

>>34802748
SKOOSHITY GOOSHITY GOOSHITY

>>34802757
Are you kidding? Glocknade lives on to this day.

Remember to sign the petition guy's. Also spread far and wide.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/we-call-us-military-conduct-thorough-investigation-m17-modular-handgun-systems-dropsafe-flaw

>>34801747
no I don't get why people propagate this meme

as the striker releases the trigger is no longer held forward, not the other way around

>>34802731
>The m17 hasn't really shipped yet
Technically your correct. Seen 3 of them on base at the range so far. They are not allowed to discuss anything about them. Instructors are getting trained up on them.

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DROP MY LIFE INTO PIECES

>>34802142
kek

>>34802149
not likely anon

>>34802702
mystery "upgrade" of the trigger which isn't even the problem?
check

SIG BTFO?
check em

>>34802792
you shoot overpressure ammo in any gun and it will explode after a certain point

the difference is that a Glock does it relatively safely eg the mag blows out the bottom and the slide doesn't impale your face

>>34802792
It's not the Glocknade meme. Gen 1s would go off of you dropped them. There was a flaw they correct it. See you did not know either. Google it, it was a long ass time ago.

>>34801615
Will Sigfags ever recover?

>>34802959
I mean the meme lives on, not that glocks will actually blow your hands off if you use them.
>>34802974
Oh wow, I never knew.

>>34802985
from their wounds? probably not

>>34802959
>mystery "upgrade" of the trigger
You retards gonna cry about this for the next 30 years?

>>34801394
I'm here. I was tending to my gunshot wound.

>>34803016
same. it's getting pretty hard to rack the slide after losing my index finger and thumb. My foot has stopped bleeding though

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>>34802748

There is only one glock killer.

>>34803083
what an ugly gun

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>>34803083
GRIP ZONE

>>34803099

Utility>Aesthetics.

And thats why your logic is shit.

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>>34803083
Its a gun for retards

>>34803123

It's actually a gun for the practical man who know it will work when the time comes.

Besides, only faggots get it in subcompact.

Don't cry too hard, you'll wake the neighbors.

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>>34803083
>le emoticon gun

Should I still buy that P938 boys? I'm not a glockfag or sigfag but I really hate glock and if I had to choose I'd go sig, not that sig is great or anything it's overpriced bullshit
But I like that P938

>>34803099
what
>>34803109 said. I had one and, while not that aesthetically pleasing, it was an accurate little brick that never misfired or hung up on anything in ~800 rounds from brand new. I regret selling it from time to time, but when I got a 1911 I told myself that I didn't need two .45s. Only reason that I sold it.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/08/jeremy-s/mechanics-behind-sig-p320-drop-safety-failures/

>>34803108
lel

>>34797476
Should've stuck with the 1911.

>>34803146
It's a Colt Mustang with a coat of Sig paint on it.
How badly do you want a tiny 1911 with an 8lb trigger?

>>34803159
>should've stuck with the SAA, the greatest handgun ever made

>>34803141
>this is the kind of faggot that buys a grip zone

>>34803142
I'm seen some pretty good holsters that look like a normal phone holster but that one looks pretty ridiculous.

>>34803185
I have shot a SAA. They are very accurate, even my modern standards.

>>34803146

Unless you need that 1911 manual of arms or love dat frame, go with the G43 (assuming that you were looking at it). Quality gun that doesn't feel like a toy and has a growing aftermarket.

>>34803199
*by modern standards.

>>34803199
my army buddy tells me they still issue the Colt SAA to the elite army troops in the US Luftwaffe

>>34803202
kek, imagine if the service pistol was a subcompact single stack

would need a lot of babby sized holsters

>>34801615
>it doesn't even need to be dropped now

>>34803400
Yeah, that raises issues about the claim that the method of failure required the trigger to move and disengage the FPB

>be alone in room
>sifting through gun drawer
>look at P320
>it looks back at you
>it goes off
>round right through the drawer
>bleed out

Never look at your P320. Looking at the P320 may cause it to fire.

>>34798415
Let me summarize it
>dropping the P320 beyond U.S. standards for safety may cause an unintentional discharge.
Basically if you drop it form a height that is not very likely it might discharge

>>34803522
No, the test is outside the standard because it's at an angle that isn't tested. There have been actual incidents and it's only a 4 or 5 ft drop.

>>34803522
You haven't kept up with recent events have you. It can go off without being dropped, there are videos of it discharging dropped from 4' and even without being dropped at all, just by being tapped with a rubber mallet while being held.

>>34803400
It's learning, evolving.

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>>34803522
Manlet detected

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>This confused and enrages the SIG owner

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>>34797476
>glockfags still this upset

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>>34798287
>That shitty webm quality
kys streamer faggot.

>>34802322
that is pretty good

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Man if only there was a weapon that didnt fail the drop and hammer test....

>>34797476
id still trust a sig over a glocknade. the whole thing is so easily preventable for the sig owner that it practically doesn't matter. lets see you drop your glock/hit it with a hammer.

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>>34803786
Wasn't the M9A3 going to be really cheap to acquire and issue, too?

>>34803786
Unfortunately, it fails every other test involving actual use. I'd rather go into battle with an 1860 cap and ball Colt.

>>34803786
the 92 is bretty gud

>>34803862
>information source: my asshole

92 series guns work fucking amazingly

>>34803893
For your information, I actually shot the Beretta 92 when I was in the military. It sucked balls. The only people who like it are POG procurement officers.

>>34803862
What other tests?

>>34803893
I don't know if I'd go as far as amazing. It's still a gun designed by committee built by the lowest bidder tested by half retarded monkeys, but at least it;s not a Sig P320.

>>34803905
The test of actually using it in a fight. Was the 1911 a perfect pistol? Fuck no, but it got the job done. I'm not saying I want the past back. I'm just saying we chose the wrong future.

>>34798257
>the whole "the only safety a gun needs is your trigger discipline" idea is a meme at this point

I'm glad that people are waking up to this idea being a fallacy. It has its origins in the propaganda of the Glock marketing team as they were trying to aggressively expand their LE market share during the transition from revolvers. The motive for pushing it had nothing to do with performance; it was simply to keep parts count (and thus unit cost) down.

>>34803900
a gun that is poorly taken care of and in disrepair is going to be shit regardless of how inherently good it is

>>34803915
it is also based on a proven design that predates WW2 that is safe and reliable unlike the P320

Would it be a better service weapon than a Glock 17? No
Is it a better gun than a Glock 17? Maybe, but sure as shit won't be able to see that in the average person

>>34803188

>implying don't have an XD pre "grip zone"

Still the most reliable and safest handgun on the market.

>>34803736

>that denial

weeeeeeooooooow... Thats just sad.

>>34803843

it wasn't taticool enough. And the brass thought that because it was more expensive it had to be better.

>>34803963
Sad (not for me, I love my xdm) but true

The XD series the smart man's polymer pistol

Ps all you people shit talking the grip safety I had mine 6 months, shooting daily because of my backyard range, before I even realized it had one.

>>34803959
>a gun that is poorly taken care of and in disrepair is going to be shit regardless of how inherently good it is
But the Beretta isn't inherently good. It's an inherently poor design. The crucial flaw in the design is it's made to be carried in condition 2. This stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of the purpose and nature of a handgun.

>>34803978
>Says the one so disillusion they think their glock still has a chance

>>34804031
>I had mine 6 months, shooting daily because of my backyard range, before I even realized it had one
That's amazing, I've had my CZ-75 for 2 years and thousands of rounds and still haven't noticed a grip safety.

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>>34797476
Buy our Swiss quality, goy...I mean friend.

>>34803199
Was it an actual colt or a clone or something like a Vaquero?

>>34804072
It's hilarious that they tried to spin this as a "we iterate and provide free upgrades" bullshit. Espexially after they dropped the 556 without ever even release the promoted caliber conversions.

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>>34804091
JOIN THE LEGION!

THE SIG LEGION!

>>34804079
Uberti Clone.
>>34803345
>Colt SAA to the elite army troops in the US Luftwaffe
I'm going to assume you're not trolling. No, the Colt Single Action Army is no longer issued to America forces. However, other revolvers have been at various points in time. Tunnelrats did sometimes carry snubnose revolvers.

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>>34804102
REMEMBER, ONLY LEGION MEMBERS CAN PURCHASE THESE QUALITY MIL-SPEC TACTICAL GOODS. YOU LIVE THE WARRIOR LIFESTYLE, LET US MAKE IT BETTER

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>>34804116
OH YEAH? WELL HOW ABOUT STOCKING FUCKING SPARE PARTS ASSHOLES.

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>>34804116
SPECIAL LEGION-ONLY BENEFITS! GET YOUR COIN, JOIN THE ELITE WARRIOR TEAM.

>>34804138
LEGION-MEMBERS ONLY! ENJOY THE SIG 556, SWISS QUALITY ONLY THE BEST FOR OUR WARRIORS!

>>34804045

Dude, you own a literal namboo.


I fear for your safety bro. Trade it in, fast!

>>34804104
>I'm going to assume you're not trolling

you must've missed the part of how literally everything I said was overly incongruous with reality

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>>34802659
>Crossbolt safety

Not pure.

>>34803939
So in other words you have nothing to back up those claims
Got it

>>34799687
sig went from a swiss-german company, offering high quality guns like the semi 550 they imported in the 80's to being a jewish-american fly-by-night shit fest, making mim guns on par with century arms

>>34797476
https://youtu.be/AmgehLkma_8
RIP IN RIP SIG, WE WILL NEBER FORGEB YU :DDDD

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>>34797476
Sig tears are fucking delicious

>>34803003
Well, if the Glocknade meme has shown us anything, it's that even if a gun company fixes a problem, the reputation will live on forever in the form of uninformed comments or jokes. I mean, the average nogunz probably still thinks the M16/AR is an unreliable piece of junk and that the AK aid the end all be all of reliability.

>>34801541
>minor fucking issue

Can accidentally kill you if dropped

>>34801541
A minor issue which led to someone who dropped a holstered sig 320 shoot him in the leg. He's lucky it didn't fall a little further away and get him in the chest. Yeah, real minor.

>>34804885
>you won't need a tabbed safety

Kek, and on top of that tapping the slide while the gun is parallel to ground will set it off, meaning the trigger might just be the start of it.

>>34804300
Nothing except thousands of soldiers using them on all continents in multiple wars. Read your history. Read the firsthand accounts of soldiers whose lives were saved by the 1911.

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Berettafag here. All I have to say about this is

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

>>34804966
if your retarded enough to drop a gun you deserve too die
nondropsafe is a feature not a bug
p320-removing the mongloid welfarequeens since modern day

>>34803736
>major safety flaw on a gun discovered
>sigfags instantly start whining about glockfags instead of demanding sig unfucks their guns and fires the people responsible

At this point Sig might as well just fire their entire marketing department for complete redundancy.

>>34805365
>implying you didnt just reply to a sig marketing team member

>>34802467

I love my Mk25 226. It's fucking awesome. I love the rustling it generates too. SO much salt from butthurt poors :)

>>34805176
I don't get why Beretta never tried to push the Px4. It controls exactly the same as an M9, which means minimal retraining. Plus, it is a straight upgrade over the M9 in every measurable way, including cost per unit.

It seems like it would have been a fairly easy sell.

>>34805406
The military probably didn't want a hammer fired pistol. All the manufacturers put forward strikers so that seems to be the way things are now.

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>>34801551
>All the comments from obvious /k/ommrades
Time to stalk your Instas

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>>34805176
You think this is funny you glockfag piece of shit? Yeah, thats right. I know who you really are and you'll never get away with this slander.

>>34804040
>The crucial flaw in the design is it's made to be carried in condition 2.
All its competitors were pretty much the same. The S&W 59 has a decocker/safety and the P226 is decocker only. All three can be carried without the safety engaged.

>SELF
>INFLICTED
>GUNSHOT

>>34805428
Ya and look where that's gotten them.

>>34802152
Fuuuuuck old Smiths make my dick hard

>>34805454
It could have been avoided by just having the little finger tab like every single other striker fired pistol on the market has. And failures like this are pretty much impossible on guns like the 226 or 92 FS, both of which have firing pin blocks.

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>>34801615
Here's my test from the other bread. Can't beat my 100+ year old gun!

>>34805359
What are you going to do when the police responding order you to drop your weapon?
>>34805447
They should have stayed with the single action, but a bunch of careerist POG procurement officers decided it would be too dangerous to have GIs carrying cocked pistols, so they insisted on having double action. Double action is the worst thing that ever happened to auto pistol design.

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>>34797476
>buy P320
>it drops and kills you
>your death will be now considered premeditated suicide
>family doesn't get a cent of insurance

>>34805466
And heres the drop test
https://files.catbox.moe/hc18wx.webm

>>34805474
>so they insisted on having double action
I don't even think they even insisted, just about every double-action semi-auto carried that over from the P38.

>>34805176
That's a solid little garfield there my large-handed friend.

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>>34802118
>buy 92FS
>has to tell everyone the slide mounted safety decocker isn't a issue for you
>still hunt constantly for a reasonably priced brig

>buy older PT 92
>Taurus
>different mags

>walther P5 compact
>and this is where I keep my P5
>IF I HAD ONE

>browning HP
>mag disconnect

>Jericho 941
>grips fly off as the slide safety decocker engages

>pistol parabellem
>"neonazi!"

>>34805509
The P38 was an unimpressive weapon at best.

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>>34805529
you mean
>pay out the ass for a very specific brig because you played too much counter-strike growing up

>>34805548
The US Army post-war certainly disagree, the whole reason the Smith & Wesson 59 series exists is because the ordinance board was so impressed by it they had Smith develop the 39. It's locking block and trigger mechanism design led to the Beretta 92. The P38 is also likely why the 220 has a double action trigger despite the gun's developmental lineage being from the P210 series.

>>34805550
Being a baretta fan feels like being a abused housewife but you keep coming back for strange reasons
For me it's that stock trigger
It's not amazing
But it feels just right and others have said the same
(Also the aesthetics but someone's gonna say it's the ugliest for the same reasons I'd say it's the sexiest)

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>>34805384

I like how the only defense is admitting you're a larping tool. :)

>>34805585
>a bunch of post war POG procurement officers wanted double action because they were nervous about soldiers carrying cocked pistols

>>34797476
I think the bright side is in the event of a home invasion, 320 owners can just throw their gun down a staircase a la True Lies.

>>34805149
These are the same people who dont clean their m9 and get mad when it fails to feed due to oil infused sand in the works. Dont try to pass this shit as fact, ive pulled a janky as fuck m9 out of the armory, cleaned it, and qual'd expert with it.

>>34805176
Creep

>>34806478
Cleaning was never a problem with the 1911. You could literally put 1000 rounds through it in one session (people have really done this) and it would function every time. Plastic guns will literally melt when they try to do the same. The 1911 was just a simple, utilitarian design from an era when soldiers actually used handguns for fighting rather than as a fashion accessory. Was the 1911 perfect? No. Is there room for improvement on it? Yes, but a new pistol should be an improvement on what already works, not a radical departure like the double action pistols were.

>>34806545
1911 is an archaic design with shit capacity whos only pro is its SA accuracy. The only way to improve the design is toss the piece of shit into a museum where it belongs

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>>34798096
Miss me yet?