The panic buying has already begun. Went to the arms store this

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>mrw slavfags get their cheap ammo banned while I dont have to worry because all of my guns are in calibers like 9x19mm.

>>34788198

Classic has Russian ammo on sale $200/spam can

>>34788657
I remember when this shit was 79.99. Where did my slavshit go?

>>34788198
who is this guy? why is this picture in every thread?

>>34788684
MUH WALL

MUH TRUMP

what now

>>34788904
>Congress passes sanctions 98-2
>DRUMPF LOL
gas yourself

>>34788920
TRUMP WILL SAVE US
TRUMP WILL IMPORT CHEAP SLAV SURPLUS
Those were your word idiots

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>>34788891
Begone, thot.

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>>34788938
>One person is multiple people
>You have no idea that the anon you're replying to ever said that.

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>tfw got a spam can of Monarch 7.62x54r on clearance a couple weeks ago

Looks like my M39's going to be well fed

>>34788198
this is why we need to create an ammo manufacturer to protect the interests of /k/ommandos. If it was dedicated to the production of cheap Ruskie bullets, we wouldn't be threatened by political bullshit. We'd just need to make a max order size so bubba won't buy all of it and price gouge.

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>>34789047
I will literally put funding into this shit if I have partners.

Also this would mean
BRASS CASE RUSSo-AMERICUNT AMMO

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>>34788938
I dont vote


But god, when the elections came around, this was the only thing I was hoping for.
God fucking dammit everything is worse now


>inb4 THE NEXT GUY WILL BE BETTER, I PROMISE

>>34788198

w-what happened?? why is there a panic?

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>>34789103

>Anons pitch in funding to start anon-owned ammo company.
>Money is laundered by the company so the employees can buy anime figures, hentai to scan in, SKSes, Rhodesian milsurp, cheap steel case ammo for "examples" (read: shooting) and XXXL women's clothing to wear so they can be their own waifus.
>Company closes without having made single round of ammo.

>>34789116
At least it's just slav import bans instead of another push for nationwide AWB and mag limits.

>>34788657
Shit price

>>34788938
I'm in California. Losing cheap slav surplus is a small price to pay for getting the spic immivasion under some semblance of control.

>>34788198
good, hopefully milsurp crap gets even more expensive. the quality of this board would get much better

>>34788955
>comprehension 404

>>34789343
>its good for me fuck everyone else lol
This is why California

>>34789378
needs to be nuked *

>>34789116
Yeah, we totally should have voted for Hillary instead? Right?
>inb4 I never said that
We all know what you are implying

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>>34788198
>The panic buying has already begun.
did I miss something? What happened?

>>34789343
>he actually believes trade restrictions do anything but make trade more expensive to conduct, raise consumer prices of trade goods, and reduce trade overall
You drank the koolaid

>>34789378
Is the current uncontrolled flood of Third World proletarians good for your state?

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>>34788198
Haven't been following, are sanctions going to hurt my 7.62x39 now?

I'm glad I really don't care that much about shooting my AKs anymore. I'm okay with burger bullet prices for how little I take them to the range.

>>34789501
>are trade sanctions on Russia going to hurt my Russian imported ammunition
Gee I dunno

>>34789405
Nope. I'll just accept it as a downside balanced against Trump's considerable upsides.

The Nirvana Fallacy ain't just about 90s rock bands, anon.

>>34789514
>Russians have already been sanctioned in the past since Crimea and it hasn't been affected prices

Uhh prices look fine still on SGammo, I think I'm in a bait thread. Thanks for the (you)

>>34789103
I second this. I can invest some if we can start a business plan.
I have experiance with machining, as well as custom machine manufacturing and mechtronics.
and well of course I'm familiar with reloading and cheap ruski surplus.

>>34789573
To the best of my knowledge (which isn't saying much) there may be a real possibility of a halt on Russian ammunition exports, but nothing is confirmed as of yet. I just can't wait to see idiots panic so hard they start paying more for wolf and tulammo than hornady x39

>>34789526
>having less trade restrictions is Nirvana
Fuck off, kid. Trade restrictions don't benefit anybody.

must admit I panic bought 1000 rounds of Golden Tiger when it went on sale for $190 on SG.

what is best cheap non surplus 7.62x54r? brown bear? WPA? Red Army?

>>34789514
It's all hearsay at this point. The sanctions were mostly talking about energy and foreign investment. I saw nothing about ammo.

>>34789343
HAHAHA oh god that is funny. You think they are going to get thrown out. Best we are going to get is amnisty for all of them.

Look around. All those beaners you see? They are all going to be citizens. The best we are going to get is that they will still have to fly to Mexico to see their cousins.

>>34789692
Brown Bear and Silver Bear.

I forget how much PPU is.

>>34789601
Hey dude, can you tell me about Mechatronics? I have been looking at it as a career change to something I might enjoy doing.

I have a background in IT and am a certified CNC machinst.

>>34788198
How would one go about setting up a company to make ammunition? Specifically the casing aspect. Anybody have any good sources on the matter?

>>34789785
I'll try not to write a huge paragraph but I'll expand on anything.
if you understand how cnc work in the entirety it's basically the same with alot more PLC's. of you've done maintenance on CNCs you know you're a glorified electrition, and mechatronics does not differ to much. if you're on the design side it's loads of fun, starting from scratch, programming, testing redesigning, just being an engineer. but that work is usually contrated and short lived. most of the work of at least by me in mechatronics is maintenance. then it all pretty much cnc maintenance, things are a little more diversified, and there technical property's and programming and logic mapping.
it's teadious, but not very repitive.
it really depends where you work but typically you'll make alot more doing mechatronics. smaller places you might have enough experiance to walk in and "apprentice" for a while, or learn as you go. if you go somewhere big like botch, BMW, GE you're most likely going to need at least a engineering degree.

Several sites are running sales on 7.62x39

If there was a ban incoming that wouldn't be the case.

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>>34788198
>Mfw I can still get sealed steel core 54r cans from dudes that don't want them anymore for like $135

>>34789401
Do you live under a rock?

>>34790535
No, I just work 17 hour days most days

>>34790690
I'm in the same boat. What happened?

>>34789654
That's not panic buying. That's being a economically smart gun ownrr

>>34791054
>>34790690
>>34790535
no idea
gg

>>34788198
Was in Academy yesterday and the shelves are stocked to the gills with Russian (Monarch brand) x39 and 54r.

You tarded OP.

Or you work for an ammo vendor (or are one).

GFY

>Be Trump

>"Guys I made a trade deal with Russia, together we will build a bridge to a new level of trust in a war against our common (((enemies)))
>Cheap slavshit for four weeks
>MAH RUSSIA COLLUSION NARRATIVE
>Gets impeached
>America dies in a sea of brown semen

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>>34789391
Read my very first line of comment you autistic fuckstain, I dont vote

>double lol voting for a woman.
Kek.

>>34788198
shut up. You fags are literally the only ones pushing this.

>>34789142
>>34789401
>>34791156


Russia is getting sanctions imposed to hurt their trade and economy. Meaning less surplus than we already get.

And yes, ammo is cheap and plentiful for russian arms, nieve anon. But mark my words, come a year or two, and this sanction gets serious, the low cost of 30c a round will be a thing of the past for the next decade.

Either way, i really dont ive a shit what you think guy.

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>>34789181
Implying I wouldnt be nazi level discriminatory towards neckbeards, their loser cartoons, and shit tier autistic culture
>kek

Those animae fags arent even going a foot on my factory driveway, let alone even buy my shit.

>>34792087
why do you think other ammo manufacturers wont start producing russian calibers to take advantage of the giant and newly desaturated american market?

>>34792141
It's also extremely easy to move ammo manufacturing to eastern europe.

>>34792197
This

It's not like Romania, Poland or Bulgaria (just to name a few) couldn't set up shop and produce steel cased fodder.

>>34792087
>Surplus
Is finite to begin with

Pols can (and probably will) ban everything Russian at some point. Doesn't mean you're not acting like Chicken Little atm.

But don't worry anon. I was around when cheap and plentiful Chinese ammo got axed. I wasn't gonna get caught with my pants around my ankles again.

>>34792141
Why didnt they do this in the 556 and 22 lr shortage in the obama era and make a killing when people were paying 3$ a round?

>>34788241
>rusammo gets banned
>no more cheap steel case
>brass goes up cause no more competition with steel case
gg

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>>34792601
I hate to be the guy who cried ammo ban
But

I remember when you could find a wasr10 with an ammo can packed to the brim for 300$

Now you cant even find the fucking wasr for under 800

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>>34792867
Let alone even FINDING a real wasr anymore.


Fuck these modern copies, nothing but cheap crap

>>34789047
>>34789103
>>34789601
>>34789785
>>34789987
>>34790166
I was looking at land for sale earlier today out west, there's a lot of rural land that would be great to have a /k/ompound on for this kind of thing. 40ish acres for $15-20k weren't uncommon.

We could make a dwarf fortress out in Arizona and our primary export could be bullets.

>>34792911
In colorado, where I live, you can buy 40 acres of desert buttfuck land for like 5 k.

It really wouldnt be a bad gig. Sure would beat the fuck out of whatever crap job i got myself into now.

>>34792950
I'm looking to upend my life at the moment, if I knew how to drill a well (and also had the equipment) I'd like to go out there. I have fuck all for money, but as a consequence I've developed self-sustainability skills.

However Colorado seems like it's getting too full of California types, just like Oregon and Washington. Not as bad, but I'm seeing a lot of, "I moved from <coast> to <rural area> and I don't like X, Y, and Z," online.

I was also looking at land that was hilly or steep, the piece of land I liked in AZ was right on a ridge.

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>>34792911
>ammo manufacturing
>ARIZONA
>just last month where planes were grounded, trash cans and car tires melted to the street, and fucking trains derailed because of hot deformed tracks
> be making ammo for last half of the year, doing just fine
>buisness goes up higher than anyone would have expected by spring
>suddenly, the machines are beginning to melt from fucked up desert hell heat
>the tips of the AK ammo look like budder
>suddenly, POPs and PINGs can be heard within the factory as small intermediate cartridges meet flash point and combust as the entire factory begins complete and total meltdown
>workers begin abandoning the arms nest with haste, they know the entire supply of powder feeding the factory isnt far behind on its flash point
>a bright flash is seen upon the horizon where an ammo farm once stood, nearby towns report small bits of lead raining from the sky

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>>34793020
It is. And thats why i FUCKING HATE POT LEGALIZATION.
I love cannabis, but it opened the door to a bunch of swarming normie faggots that took over the entire fucking state, and now the fucking rushhour starts at 2 god damn PM.

LIved and born in CO, only to see it ruined by a bunch of poser faggs and twats from out of state doing the whole pot tourist bullshit.
What a fuckin joke.

>>34789116
The dems were right about one thing
>The Republicans and NRA are only in favor of US based gun manufacturers, not the rights of the people.
They don't care about the lower class being able to buy firearms, they just want the ammo and gun manufacturers to have the ability to sell their products at as high of a mark up as possible

Why bother making high quality budget hunting rifles when you can get an SKS for $150? ban the import of surplus rifles, problem solved.

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>import dickery ruining slavshit ammo supplies
>military reviewing 7.62 real fuckin NATO which will result in piss cheap 308 everywhere

commies getting what they deserve

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>>34793071
How the fuck Did I not see that..

>>34793022
Arizona's actually perfect because the air temperature is the least of the worries. I'm from Minnesota though, if anything's going to melt it's going to be me.

>>34793065
Haha, that pic related makes me laugh no matter the version.

I have to say though it seems to me like this development really wasn't a result of that, I think Californian-types have been moving in and wrecking stuff for decades. Whenever I remember Aspen exists it's always in the context of how rich urban people ruin stuff, I know a lot about that because it's happening to the area I grew up in.

Not as bad as further up north or around Mille Lacs, just wherever assholes come up from Edina or Wayzata and buy out lakefront property.

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>>34793131
>hundreds of thousands of millions of dollars put into 308 review and testing
>army and its engineers working day and night, testing scars, ar10s, assorted arms of beauty
>another 10 fucking years rolls by of testing, more mothballing, and general military buttfuckery
"We have concluded that we will stick with the ar15 platfrom and make further modification upon its behalf and further improve its potency in jse overseas, thank you for your interest, comtributions, and support through the years
-USM

>>34792694
are you asking why american 5.56 manufacturers didnt start producing 5.56 during the obama era?

you're not a very sharp box are you

A lot of blacks are arming themselves because of a perceived racist government.

>>34793886
Good.

>>34793131
Its ok when Trump does it.

>>34793886
Excellent news, that means they will be wiping each other out even quicker.

>>34793957
You can only hope.

>>34789116
>I dont vote
k

>>34793071
this is autism

>muh SKS

>>34788891
Xu San-duo aka Zergface.

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>>34797113
Fuckoff bitch

>vote for this piece of shit, with shitty views that wont be upheald in office, or vote for this stupid piece of shit with shitty views who also wont uphold their views in office

>or maybe vote for some other guy that looks promising, but will never get 2% of votes anyways

Fuck you and your stupid system, and fuck you again for believing in it, and thinking it makes a difference.

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With all this shit coming up, can I sell my brand new WASR with zhukov stock and hogue furniture for a decent price? I paid $630, with all that included, would $850-$900 be sellable? What about my stockpile of AK ammo?

>>34793187
I'm in Denver, but own 55 acres of land ( cost about $10k) out near Limon. It's a shitty hilly plot, but it's big enough to shoot on. I've recently had about ten different chuckle fucks try to make me sell it to them so that they can start some fair trade, organic, sustainable hydroponic farm bullshit on it. I always quote them at 1.5 million to make them fuck off. A few have actually tried to counter offer, and one has threatened to sue for fair use, claiming I didn't use the land. I have an ATV business based out there, and teach a few "clients" each year on how to ride them, which means I use all of my land.

>>34789047
I remember that an anon who managed an ammo factory used to post here, forgot the thread but he was explaining and answering the questions of curious and wondering anons like you. You may have to dive in the archives to find the thread

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>>34797846
The ammo, sure,

Fuckin lol, for that ak, no.

>>34792911
Just build an ammo factory in Puerto Rico, land is cheap to the boot, the local government is willing to give financial incentives (especially tax breaks) to start up since they're desperate, along with offering a bunch of labor to the locals. Hell, you can also help us lobby to repeal the weapons act so we can finally become a constitutional carry territory like we used to be prior to the revolt

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>>34798229
Sounds like those hippies would put that land to alot better use than you ever will faggot

Ps - its called permaculture you dumbfuck, aquaponics dont go outside

>>34788198
Shit dude I should start a bullet factory and make 5.45 and 7.62x39(x54r) to make ez money

>>34798229

Be like Andrew Ryan and burn it to the ground, then salt it when you're done with it.

>>34798433
Ive been looking at puerto for years.
Cant find reasonably priced land online, and i dont have funds for a scout trip yet.

SICk country tho

>>34798461
Ah, hopefully there'll be some further drop in prices for the land since alot of companies here are starting to buy and investi in it (We've also had some major reforms with the current government that are more or less a mix of pros and cons). Two of the cities I could recommend out of the top of my head (With multiple factory compounds available that were recently closed down) is Las Piedras and the capital, San Juan in case you're interested in some developed lands

>>34798566
Honestly, I just want to move there and build a farm/compound.

Whats the english speaking ratio there?

>>34798579
That really depends on where you live, the censuses never gave a ratio, but about 2.474 million out of 3.441 million can manage to speak english enough to get by. The Metropolitan area is where a majority of the english speakers resides, and you can find some rural land easily in the Caguas and Guaynabo districts

>>34798438
Can't tell if bait, or hippie.

>>34798458
It'll be going to my son. I have a little cabin on there, and plenty of hiking/camping spots for outdoors stuff. I bought it so that I could have my own little get away for me and my family.

>>34798970
>Not knowing everything is a shit post on here

At least the end of summer is almost here

>>34798970
Youre just as stupid as the redneck and his atvs then if you seriously cant tell.

Irdc about baiting /k losers anymore, theyre all gullible and stupid.

>>34799560
Do you have land by chance?

>>34798438
>Making a family investment for agricultural land in the middle of a large, soil rich region
>Being a Dumbfuck

Sounds like you're just angry that you couldn't make a commitment like that. He's probably going to see a substantial increase in his investment the more the area gets processed.

>>34789378
>Surely the Mexicans will only stay in California!

How retarded and shortsighted can you be?

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>>34799765
Well, im only like 20, so whatever faggot.
Ive got funds saved for my plot, but that wont be for a while.

(Ps- most of that land out there is desert scrub shit, there wont be development there for a while.)

>>34799765
PPS - soil rich region? You fuckin kidding me?
90% of the fucking soil out here is clay and sand.
You domt have a clue what youre talking about do you?

>>34797846
you might be able to talk some retard into buying it for 850 but any other person will not pay that.

>>34800140
>>34800157

http://www.usglc.org/colorado/facts-figures/

Colorado exported 1.7 billion dollars worth of agricultural goods. Limon/Lincoln are largely wheat lands and livestock areas, which is where anons land is. From what he's posted, it sounds like it's in pretty high demand too.

>>34789617
>Trade restrictions don't benefit anybody.
They aren't being imposed to benefit anyone, they are being imposed to punish people.

>>34800140
>Funds for my plot

whatchya gonna do with that plot bruv?

In all likihood, what are the REAL chances of a russian ammo ban? Is everyone really panic buying because of rumors or is it a real possibility?

Torn atm between buying an AK or AR10. If I get an AK I dont want to be stuck worrying about an ammo shortage

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>>34800591
Wel why dont you move the fuck out here and dicover for yourself what my homeland is like, since you know all about it and what it really takes to farm out here anon, show me up google warrior

>>34801079
Please learn to read, I already stated what I want to do with it twice now.
I want a compound. I want a mini fruitfarm. And / or a mini forest on a 10-20 acre plot. And a warehouse for my crafts/projects.

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>>34788198
Russian sanctions have been lifted and renewed since the early 90s you faggots.

Look at Obama era sanctions, Clinton era sanctions and lifts and sanctions and lifts.

Here's your (you) jackass.

Icantevensagethisbaitthreadbecauseitsactuallyweaponsrelatedfuckmesodewaysonsundaybatman

>>34800140
>im only like 20
>like
????

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>>34801212
There is a great likelyhood.
As others have stated, theres a good chance it may NOT happen afterall. I hope not. However, the US government has already passed the bill, and sanctions are already being applied. They just havent been crystal clear as to WHAT they are banning yet. We still have time, but not lomg if this is truly the case.
But im not going to be caught with my pants down again. Im going to be on top of this little arms crisis. Worst case senario, you stock up a shitload of ammo, it never happens, and now you have a surplus of arms kibble. Win win in my book

And honestly, I think the 308 platform is poised to take off in the next 5 years. Its now in the perfect circumstance where it can grow and become widespread, as the army is finallly doing more combat testing and looking at more engineering for these rifles. Shit, the DB10 is 800$ currently. Ar platform is only getting cheaper.


And as for ar vs ak - Im currently scrambling to find a quality, original WASR10. It could be the last opportunkty we get to find slav shit for "cheap". Even if the ammo is rare in the future, its still a beautiful, functional, and practical rifle that you can shoot and enjoy. Even without an arms ban currently going, its near impossible to fimd a good AK platform rifle.

Ar platform will be around for the next lifetime or two. Theres plenty of time to find one of those cookie cutter rifles. AKMs, probably not. They are already disappearing, so now is your last chance.

>INB4 the autictic comments concearning "WHY NOT BUY A C39, ZASTAVA, NPAP, IZMASH, " or other retard, crap tier copy of ak rifle.

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>>34801320
Sure, theyve been lifted and renewd countless fucking times. Fine.
Either way, its going to jack up ak prices to retard strength for who knows how fuckin long, and I would just like to avoid the panic, price gouging, and other retarded mothballing that comes with an ammo/arms import resriction before it even starts.

Who knows, maybe we will get into world war 3 during sanction and we never see 7.62xsoviet again.

>>34801412
Im 21. The fuck does it matter to you for anyways guy?

>>34801310
I do live out here. Right next to a wheat farm actually. Also, you never stated what you were going to do with your plot, unless you were some other post not tied in with this shit fest. Have you ever been outside of your city? I'm not trying to be an ass, but the majority of (other than the city) Colorado is either agriculture or livestock. A good chunk of the U.S winter wheat is grown in Colorado and surrounding areas. A lot of breweries here also benefit from the soil conditions for their ingredients, which is one of the reasons (other than chic factor ) microbreweries are so popular here.

I really wanted a mosin as my first gun, like really...but fuck that.

Let the fudds and faggots fight over table scraps. I'll chase my next best dream, a Vietnam loadout of some sort, Classic AR build, 1911, Smith and Wesson Model 19, KABAR.

Right now all I have is a paratrooper bag, but my next AR build is either going to be a XM177 clone or a A1 clone.

>>34801450
Thanks anon, this is actually really damn close to what I was already thinking. I already have a PTR and love it but was hoping to get a lighter gun like an AK.

Honestly the two I am torn between is a DB10 and WASR lol. I guess ill do some more resrach and see where that takes me

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>>34801521
Sorry, my apologies. Im being a twat.

Let me fully detail to you what I want.

Me and a team of 3 others are saving enough money to buy a plot of land somewhere between 10-20 acres.

From there - we plan to build a compound on this plot. Somewhere to research plants, growing them, and ride out the apocalypse if it comes. Also a workshop for forging blades, constructing instruments, and other projects, like my art.

Then, we want to plant a forest of food bearing plants on the land. I dont want the traditional "one crop farm" as these are not sustainable. Degredation of soil happens with single crop farms, and its alot of work for a seasons harvest. I want a permaculture compound. (You can look up permaculture on the internet.; its where a forest biome of different species of plants depend on eachother, and can sustain/survive without any human intervention)

The problem is, colorado has fucked up winters and its very hard to grow anything here besides corn and grain. I like berries and fruit, but they dont like cold. Also, soil remedation to support these plants will take years and lots of work. Try looking up "hugel beds" as well. Ps - im a botanist. Plants are my expertise, and I want them to have a paradise, where we live side by side. Like babylon.

Too bad colorado is a cold, fucked up desert tundra.

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>>34801521
Also, i forgot to mention,
The zones of colorado are pretty fucking varied.
Anything north is a cold sandy buttfuck

Anything south is a hot sandy buttfuck with alot of hicks. These are the plots of land you can buy for buck naked cheap. (1000$ per acre usually.)

However, central colorado is fucking awesome.
Park county, steamboat, eagle, and fairplay are sweet. But they are much, much more expensive plots of land. They have more plant mass, better soil, and everything isnt sand/rock/clay. They also get alot colder in winter, which makes growing things outdoors nearly impossible. Especially fruit trees. It will be years before we figure this shit out, I hope we make it, but you never know.

Thats the dream anyways.

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>>34801566
Ugh. Gross.
Ar clones and variants are ok, but 556 is just cringe worthy. I almost regret buying my ar15, but I keep it around because its a highly versatile and adaptable weapon with serious customization.

Honestly I really think you should look into a mosin nagant. In my collection, its my favorite to shoot. The ammo is stupid strong, the rifle itself is very fun to shoot (not to mention, you can generally find them for about 200$), its a beautiful piece of history, and theyre (in italics) scary accurate.

White death was a sniper who used the mosin nagant, and he had one of the highest confirmed kill counts of any shooter recorded in war. I can see why he chose this rifle.

I love mine, and I think you would too.

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>>34792704
>this fucking idiot again
And Wolf isn't under sanctions

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>>34801619
Ive been eyeballing ar10s for a few years now, they just get cheaper and cheaper. I feel their shining moment is not far at all. The scar17 is also a beautiful tool that should not be overlooked.

I feel sad that i decided to buy my ar first, and not an ak. The market is dying quicker than you can shit, and quality rifles are quickly being snagged up and put into collections. WASR 10 is specifically the hardest one to find for me. (Im a stickler for historical arms, so I want one from the 70s with an armory triangle).

All the modern ak copies are pure shit. Domt buy them, no matter how cheap. They just domt compair to the real thing. Arsenal is ok, but i just cant stand the synthetic crap they slapped all over them. It makes them weak and melty

>>34801778
>>34801693

I'm not sure if something like a biome would be sustainable without a full crew. I'm aware of how varied the land is, I've lived all over this state my whole life. The other anon with the land seems to have it pretty good, especially with a place that's high in demand. I have a small plot of about 10 acres, 5 of which is seasonal crops. I've been lucky enough to never have to do any heavy treating, just fertilizer. Look into what kind of agriculture we do here, as a lot of it is really surprising. I believe it's our third highest export, behind chemicals and machinery.

>>34801901
I'm torn, on one hand I do like the idea of a historical bolt gun, on the other hand I really just like shooting. I like going to the range and leaving a pile of brass behind without breaking the bank. I like working on my marksmanship. 5.56 is just fine for the ranges I'm shooting at, and it's cheap as fuck right now. Getting an increasingly pricey bolt gun with snowflake ammo just doesn't make sense to me. Especially if I have to race a bunch of hoarding and price gouging fudds just to get it.

>>34801974
I agree the SCAR17 is an awesome gun, just out of my price range lol

And being realtivley new to the world of AKs, even i can see the market dying, sad as it is. I just wish I I could find a gun as durable as a real AK for under $1000 so hence why Im leaning towards an AR10

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>>34801991
It is possible. This is what "permaculture" means.

Funfact: colorado has the most earthships (houses that are nesrly 100% sustainable without governemnt water/power assistance) and also the countrys leading permaculture institute is located in CO. Also in the buttfuck desert.

Ill see if I can find it, but theres a video on youtube where an expert bought desert shit land over there in iraq/afghan area, and turned it into an oasis using permaculture technique.

The modern way of farming is actually very wasteful and kind of dumb. We havent even gotten close to maximizing farming potential.

If only people would actually listen to the hippies, we would be in such a better world. But this bulk headed bullshit mentality that everyone is determined to hold on to is holding us back. Its sad.

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>>34802185
I remember when I was young and the wasrs were everywhere. Dirt common.
Now, you can only find one or two every 5th gun show IF YOURE LUCKY.

AND thats what really makes me sad. All of these modern bullshit ak copies don't truly carry the durability and dependability that the originals carried. The wasrs (in my opinion) are the best ak you can get. Theyre simple, not over engineered, loosely thrown together, and THEY WORK. Even more so, they are a living piece of history.
Cant believe this is how the legacy ends.

And im on the edge of my seat waiting for the ar10 takeover. Its coming. I can feel it.
My theory, atleast, is to let them work on them and engineer them just a little bit more to completely work out bugs and engineering flaws. The army says that the ar10 platform needs work, and I partially agree with them. The recievers were built with a 556 in mind, not a full cartridge like a 308. Scars and FALS however, were designed for the power of the 308 from the minute of their conception. (Granted, 90% of ar10s are perfectly strong enough and will hold up to the 308, but it has been documented that over time, recievers CAN degrade and crack because of the sheer power of a 308. The recievers havent been fully converted and engineered to this yet)

Im going to can my excitement for just a few more years, and by then the 308 battle rifle ar10 configuration will be perfected. Patience is key, and their glorious day is coming swiftly.

>>34802279
A lot of the people that want that other anons land are the wasteful kind in my experience. I only have a small plot, but they still want it for poorly thought out business models, usually to try and be cool. I've seen a lot of these kind of people buy the land around me, fail, and leave a really nasty scar on the land from all the crap they brought in to start their "lol organic" farm. Must've wasted a lot of daddies money on it too, because I go over there and find tons of perfect machines left for scrap. I'm not saying you're on of them, but I think that other anon has seen a lot of that stuff too. It's becoming really common sadly.

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>>34802140
Currently, you can get about 80 rounds for 50$.
Its not horrible, but not amazing either.
This rifle (for me) is the most accurate in my collection with iron sights. Maybe this is the bolt gun that agrees with my body the most, but I can snipe quarter sized clays out to 100 yards easily. I love practising and shooting as well, and it saddens me that if we get an ammo restriction, this rifle will be on that list. Im remaining hopeful that this isnt the case. Either way, for a 200$ rifle, its really not that bad of a trade off, no mater what happens. It will be a "grandpas gun" one day anyways.

You can always buy a 308 or 3006 in the US, theyll be around, I promise. But everybody should have atleast one exotic/foreign rifle thats fun to dick around with, in my opinion atleast.

Finding ammo for this is still easier than finding turkish mauser, or fucking 7.7. Or even worse, the correct garand ammunition. Ugh.

>>34802445
Ive heard the horror stories of recievers cracking too and that did have me a bit bugged but honestly I havent been able to find any problems with AR10 recievers since the past 5-6 years.

Like I said before, Id love a WASR but for their price and scarcety(not to mention possibility of an ammo scarcety) i may hold out a bit longer and see what happnes. The same goes for the AR10. I will bide my time and do some more research and maybe go finger fuck some AR10s at the nearby LGS and see how I like them. Im in no hurry but would like a decent, dependable, durable thirty cal semi auto thats not a complete monster to carry around lol

Thanks for your input and knowledge anon, I appreaciate it

>>34788938
God, this feeling is delicious.
I love being able to say the words "I told you so", month after month after month, and I love that I'm gonna get to keep saying it for 8 years straight at least.

>>34797113
It's your right to vote, and it's your right to not vote

>>34803135
Nothing will ever be sweeter or more delicious than the taste of victory that November night. Moral of the story, buy American.

>>34803191
>victory is a jewish puppet
>victory is another grandstanding GoP neocon
>victory is 8 years of not getting anything done to fix this country
>victory is 18 miles of wall
Sounds pretty sour my man. You sure you ain't drank the kike koolaid?

>>34803233
Is this the part where you pretend to be a natsoc or something?

>>34803277
>natsoc
There's no such thing as a National Socialist, only a wehraboo communist with delusions of grandeur.
Furthermore, you've completely ignored any of your "victories" in an attempt to attack my character and accuse me of being le shariablue CTR boogeyman falseflagger buzzword brigade. So let's get back on topic;
How's that kike loving neocon going for you?

>>34803306
Fucking great. Keeping promises as best he can. Slowed by congress but still myguy.

>>34803306
not him but I'm going to enjoy a thoroughly stacked supreme court. vastly increased deportations, funding getting cut for sactuary cities, alphabet agencies getting neutered.

promised legislation was always a long shot with such a slight majority. But Obama handed so much power to the executive branch to set policy through government agencies that it isn't even all that necessary.

also you're 0/5 on special elections

>>34797846
I'll buy it from you for $600.

Dammit and I just blew my AK money on a PPK. Fuck me.

>>34797814
so naturally you are participating in a huge way to make a difference in another fashion?

or perhaps you are just a vain, lazy bag o shit and try to make yourself feel a little better by deluding yourself and adopting a holier than thou approach

>99% dont reload.

GET YOUR 5.56 AND 9MM RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE ONLY $2 A ROUND!

>op is a fat slavaboo ushanka wearing autist panic buying

a whole thread of nothing

>>34788657
Garbage price from a garbage company. Cashing in on the panic.

>>34788938
DRUMPF IS IN BED WITH PUTIN
THEY HELPED HIM WIN AND RIGGED OUR ELECTION
IT WAS HER TURN REEEEE

>>34790474
Just sold my last tin for $150. The stuff sucks anyway. Monarch makes significantly better ammo

>>34788241
You're not only an idiot but a shitty person, the first people to die in shtf situation. We are all firearms enthusiasts a ban on ammo affects us all and you should be grateful the slavaboos saved your beloved american 5.56 greentips you fucking faggot even after fucktards like you hung them out to dry with the 7n6 ban.

>>34806007
If he was in bed with Putin how come we are left with no slav shit?
Makes you wonder huh

>>34799560
So broke ass hippie confirmed

>>34791156
Dumbass. There were links and pictures parts of the text. Ill look for them to post tomorrow. Can't be assed right now

>>34792141
They will you fucking retard and they'll get to charge as much as they fucking want per round do you get it now fuckstick?

>>34792197
Why would they? They will still produce it for themselves and to sell to the rest of the world only we would be fucked. Idiot.

>>34792601
You misunderstand. Any russian ammo period. No more imports. Surplus has been done for a while man everyone knows, we're talking new production russian steel cased ammo. Gone 5ever

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>Stacked cheap N deep
>subtlety want a Russian ammo ban to watch 5.45 fags lose their shit and for 5.45 to die.

>>34793022
You know it snows in half the state don't you? No, you don't know shit, okay well now you know this. The northern half of arizona is forested and mountainous. People flock to the southern desert area though.

>>34806092

You and me both, 5.45 is almost as gay a .300memeout, I'm tired of hearing about this caliber.


without imported Russian ammo 5.45 is a dead duck.


https://youtu.be/2vjGbVPErIc?t=1m

>>34798438
Fuck hippies fuck a farm and fuck you. He owns that land. His family will inherit that land. You think some lazy hippy fuck wont sell it to make a quick buck once califuckoffs migrate en masse and that land becomes even more valuable?

>>34800140
For their sake I hope you're talking about your funeral plot, that way your family wont have to do a fundraiser to bury your ass.

>>34801901
I keep it around because its a highly versatile and adaptable weapon with serious customization.

Yeah sounds like something anyone would regret. Jackass.

>>34806154
Ak is better anyways, you kentucky fried faggot, fuck you

>>34806045
And how rich are you faggit?
Autist confirmed

>>34788938
They were not my words, but trump was miles better than the alternative.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzqcUK3dwWQ

>>34809086
>cohen-cidence
wew lads

>>34801901
>White death
he had a finnish garbage rod

which is streets ahead of a russian garbage rod

>>34806039
(Thats the point)

>>34807561
I'm not sure how you would like that measured... I am a wagecuck making $54/hr?

>>34811812
What the hell do you do? How did you get there?