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>the wehrmacht was clean the waffen ss were the bad gu-

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>the wehrmacht was clean the waffen ss were the bad gu-

Fuck off, the Waffen SS was a fucking awesome. And I am not white. I still greatly admire them. They were the most fanatic and the closest to a modern knightly order that existed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqE306UqZrQ
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Being good at your job and dedicated doesn't mean you can't be a piece of shit
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>>34786539
The SS had the shittiest equipment with the shittiest commanders
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>>34786539
good at committing war crimes and getting dicked aside from some divisions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM_xKbN0CcI
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>>34786539
neither Wehrmacht nor Waffen-SS were "clean". The difference is that with the Wehrmacht, warcrimes were still an exception (that still occured more often than in other wars / armies), while the SS was essentially just a bunch of heavily armed murderers.

There were some Waffen-SS divisions that fared well in combat and received the newest equipment, but generally these units performed worse and sustained higher losses than the Wehrmacht.

Also volunteers in the SS were mostly giant faggots and bastards, nothing resembling honor or the like.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/36th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS

Yeah, wow, the SS sure was impressive all right.
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Hitler was right. and the SS consisted of great men who cared about their country and their people.
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>>34786539
Okay, ahmed.
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>>34788661

>One long string of diarrhea-laced opinion with no sources, citation, or fact.

Well, it didn't take long for your kind to invade the thread I see.
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>>34788733
Nice prop pic dude
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>>34788752

Wormhoudt massacre by SS Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, 1940, France[53]
Le Paradis massacre by SS Division Totenkopf, 1940, France[165]
Pripyat swamps (punitive operation) by the SS Cavalry Brigade, 1941, USSR[166]
Tulle massacre by SS Division Das Reich, 1944, France[167]
Oradour-sur-Glane massacre by SS Division Das Reich, 1944, France[168]
Ochota massacre by SS Kaminski Brigade, 1944, Poland
Wola massacre by SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger, 1944, Poland
Huta Pieniacka massacre by SS Division Galicia 1944, Poland
Graignes Massacre by SS Division Götz von Berlichingen, 1944, France
Maillé massacre, also by SS Division Götz von Berlichingen, 1944, France
Marzabotto massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy
Malmedy massacre by Kampfgruppe Peiper, part of 1st SS Panzer Division, 1944, Belgium
Ardeatine massacre by two SS officers, 1944, Italy
Distomo massacre by 4th SS Polizei Division, 1944, Greece[168]
Sant'Anna di Stazzema massacre by 16th SS Panzergrenadier Division Reichsführer-SS, 1944, Italy
Ardenne Abbey massacre by 12th SS Panzer Division Hitlerjugend, 1944, France


only Waffen-SS, read up on Allgemeine SS and Totenkopfverbände

>inb4 (((Wikipedia)))

here you can see what kind of "heroes" volunteered for the Waffen-SS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXt8vtBWSus


pic related is a true hero, probably not edgy enough for you
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>>34786539
"Cool" and "morally correct" are too different things.

I respect the Vietcong for their persistence, ability to continue fighting while being bombed into the stone age and ability to spook the living fuck out of baby boomers with nothing more than some bamboo, rocks and human shit, but that doesn't mean I'm a faggot commie
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>>34786590
>Papa Paul Hausser
>shitty commander

wew jew
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>>34789668
The standards for the SS were all over the place in terms of equipment and officers.
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>>34788661
>but generally these units performed worse and sustained higher losses than the Wehrmacht.
Right, obviously, this has nothing to do with the fact that they were used in the most difficult situations often where Heer units outright went into full retreat and were always chosen for the most difficult of tasks because everyone knew if anyone could do it, the W-SS could.

W-SS were the elite, and if you don't believe that, I would guess you never met anyone who actually had to fight them.

t. guy that's actually talked with WWII veterans and not just watched History channel docs in the late 90;s
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>>34786539
enjoy that austrian cock traitors
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>>34789683
Well, early on in the war ('39-40), yea they weren't exactly well equipped, but once the war in the USSR started, the SS gained a whole lot of respect, and in turn were often given the best equipment.

And yea, I wouldn't say Sepp was the best leader, but the SS did produce some fine officers. I'm sure you could find your share of idiots in the Wehrmacht too.
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>>34789741
How would history have turned out if the monarchy had been preserved?
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>>34789766
better than the current hell we live in, imagine a /k/ without werhaboos at the very least.
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>>34786539
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>>34789766
Communism would have taken over Europe. Germany would have never armed itself after their defeat in WW1 and they would have been fucking steamrolled by the commies.

Most people don't realize that if they never did the whole nazi shit europe would have gotten its anus pounded hard
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>>34789932
>they would have been fucking steamrolled by the commies.

Then the world would have turned their guns on the Soviets as they had the Germans. This time however there would be no war exhaustion to get in the way of something like operation unthinkable.
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>>34789932
commies couldnt even steamroll Poland in 1920, plus Kaiser Bill had plenty of ill will towards the bolsheviks for murdering his cousin, i'd like to wager he wouldve backed the whites in a way or another
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>>34786539
This is the most blatant pol posting I've seen in a while on k. Not even arguably k related.

Like we get it. You hate Jews and blacks and Democrats and just about everyone else too. Just don't post about it here.
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>>34788688
>The brutal murder of 500 small children was committed by Dirlewanger during the 1944 Wola massacre. Schenck testified, "After the door of the building was blown off we saw a daycare-full of small children, around 500; all with small hands in the air. Even Dirlewanger's own people called him a butcher; he ordered to kill them all. The shots were fired, but he requested his men to save the ammo and finish them off by rifle-butts and bayonets. Blood and brain matter flowed in streams down the stairs." Schenck (a sapper serving in the Wehrmacht) testified seeing a Dirlewanger man raping a girl while wielding a knife, and then cutting her wide open along the entire length of her torso after ejaculation. Up to 40,000 civilians were murdered in Wola in less than two weeks of August, including all hospital patients and staff.

Some fucking "knightly order", OP. Fuck off back to /pol/.
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>>34790242
That behavior is in line with that of most knightly orders. Fuck 'em all. The only saving grace of most knightly orders throughouyt history is that they remove kebab. Not effectively or permanently, but they try.
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>>34788650
>committing war crimes
Never happened.
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>>34786539
You're not white? No wonder you like Knights, they're literally paid gang-banging child eaters that have to be told where to rampage so they dont shit where they eat.
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>>34789723
I read that the SS units at the end of the war had alot of children in them and they were given all of the best weapons where regular heer units were under supplied even though they were battle tested.
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>>34791102
American spotted.
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>>34788661
The top is like the AV club photos.

No wonder they were so angry!
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>>34788733
Sounds like a lot of commie speak
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>>34789723
>Chosen for the most difficult tasks because everyone knew if anyone could do it, the W-SS could.

Watch the video I posted here
>>34788828 see how that guy laughs like a faggot?
>Volunteered for SS because he thought it sounded cool
>Killed hundreds of men an women in Yugoslavia that "all ran into the fire"
>Stole from German civilians
>Threatened to kill and robbed other German soldiers
>Cried like a bitch about his mom when interrogated by Russians to be released

See his "elite" W-SS unit couldn't deal with a bunch of Partisans, Wehrmacht Brandenburger SOF had to save them.
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>>34789932
Is that why the Nazis basically handed half of Europe over to the Communists while getting their asses kicked?
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>>34786539
>ss were modern knights
>historically, chivalry was bullshit and knights were huge assholes
OP has a point.
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>>34786539
>the Waffen SS was a fucking awesome
>the closest to a modern knightly order that existed
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>>34786539
>knightly
>commit horrific grievous war crimes on the daily
Yeah, sounds about right.
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>>34786539
>National Socialism
>Socialism
>S O C I A L I S M
Into the trash it goes, along with the rest of the lefties and statist scum.
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>>34794172
>>34786539
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>>34786539
> They were the most fanatic and the closest to a modern knightly order that existed.
I mean, in the sense that they were the only truly European military force in hundreds of years to have to use child soldiers? Yeah... I guess...
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>>34789932
nigger, nazis and commies operate the same way. youre trying to argue which boot on your neck feels better
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>>34786539
>hey were the most fanatic and the closest to a modern knightly order that existed.
>literally greatest accomplishment of note was mass murder unarmed innocents incapable of defending themselves

You nigger filth sicken me.
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>>34786539
GET THE FUCK OFF MY BOARD NAZI
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>>34786539
Why is the Hun hellbent on destroying Europe?

>The Hun destroyed Rome
>The Hun split the church and nearly destroyed Europe
>The Hun effectively began both World Wars in Europe (Granted, you could argue Japan started the war back in the mid-30's)
>The Hun is letting in migrants by the millions, threatening actions against European nations that won't bend the knee (Czechs, Poles, Swiss, etc).
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>>34794661
>Hurr durr Drumpf is Hitler
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>>34789896
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>>34789723
X2

Plus they were selected to be idiotically pure.
Willing to die for what they believed.

Very different from a normal soldier
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>>34794634
>Believing kike history
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>>34794810
>Implying that would be bad
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Reminder that the Canadians got help up for 3 months at Caen by a bunch of 17 year olds of the 12th SS
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>>34794433
>doesn't know nazi Germany was more free market than America of the same time
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>>34794917

Reminder that a couple of SS paratroopers were sent into the Middle East to mobilize resistance against British and Russian advances. IIRC it was three of them.
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I am so proud of my great grandfather who liberated the fuck out of germans, probably dicked some german ladies in the process too
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>>34793774
>Sounds like a lot of commie speak
the enemies the communists claim to fight REALLY resembles the descriptions the nazi's have for jews.
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>>34794926
defend this claim
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9Q7VhwP_4U
>We can't wear our medals in Germany. We get spat on. We are war criminals.
JUST
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>>34795027
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>>34786539
100% this.
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>>34786590
>Shittiest equipment
Literally camoflauge
>Shittiest commanders
Bitch.
Please.
That was the Kriegsmarine
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>>34795027
>wah wah I can't wear medals issued by a genocidal dictatorship in public, I'm being oppressed waaaaah!

Tough shit, maybe you should have left, joined the side whose end goal wasn't ethnic cleansing, save millions of lives by collectively cutting the war short, be celebrated as heroes after you liberated your country from NSDAP memesters.
Today's Germany would also be much less of a cucked shithole because there would be much less of a Nazi stigma if all of you dipshits weren't so eager to follow a legit autistic manchild into a war that was as hopeless as it was morally wrong.
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>>34795218
(you)
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>>34794992
Imagine if Hitler had hung the rich.
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>>34794433
>Implying the name "National Socialist German Workers Party" wasn't chosen as propaganda to draw the working class into nationalist politics, and away from popular parties like the SPD and KPD.

>Implying the first concentration camps weren't established specifically to hold socialists and communists.

>Implying the NSDAP's social welfare programs weren't limited to "Aryans" and literally no one else.

Of all the idiotic historical revisionist memes you inbred stormfags believe, this "lol nazis wer soshulists cuz its in the name" shit has to be the most retarded. Jesus Christ would it kill you to read a fucking book?
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>>34786539
>closest to a modern knightly order that existed
>Grenadier suicide divisions equipped solely with panzerfausts
>Knightly
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>>34795228
weren't the higher up communists be the rich folk during the Wiemar republic?

so I mean, instead of gas chambers the stories would be about gallows.
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>>34788650
(((war crimes)))
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>>34786539
Good post OP
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>>34788661
kys kike
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>>34788650
Get gassed shill
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>>34793774
>>34794992
>>34795228

It's always the same shit.

>times are hard, people are pissed off
>found a party, paint them a public enemy
>dehumanize said enemy so people are progressively less empathetic towards them
>get rid of them
>steal their shit for yourself
>squander it away in debauchery while publicly grandstanding about the importance of hard work and [insert variable here] pride
>times get even harder as party nepotism results in the government getting less efficient than ever
>people start realizing your ideology ain't worth shit
>rinse, repeat
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>>34789977
Kill yourself commie
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>>34791294
>believing in (((revised))) medieval history
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>>34789612
>SS not morally correct

You are a faggot commie
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>>34795218
>It's Hitler's fault for standing up to the Jews
>that's why Germany is so cucked, by the Jews now
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>>34794230
>muh war crimes
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>>34794472
Kill yourself dumb kike
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>>34795247
You wouldn't know honor if it kicks down your door and slaughters your family to create a better society.
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>>34795281
>squander it away in debauchery
ahahahhhahahahahahahahahahahah it's like you're describing the weimar republic but you think you're describing the regime that came after them
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>>34795330

I said it's always the same shit. People who promise to take off your shackles always end up grabbing the end of the chain instead.
Or are you trying to deny Nazi officials used stolen money to live opulent lives in stolen villas furnished with stolen valuables?
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>>34795361
Removing the people who destroyed your country from your country is a revolution, not terrorism.
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>>34795361
Stolen? No, re-appropriated from the kikes as rightful compensation for ridding the society of a cancer and making Germany great again.
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>>34795370
How did that work out for Germany?
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>>34793774
I mean, the second part of Nazi is Socialist. But this does also feed into a theory I have. If one company, let's say walmart, owns everything and employs everyone, we do live under what is essentially communism.
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>>34795396
Worked wonderfully until it was outnumbered and defeated by (((external enemies))).

>Trying to fight your enemies led to defeat and ruin before therefore you shouldn't even try.

Literally you rn
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>>34795407
>it worked great until it did not about 5 years later.

So it did not work great at all?
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>>34795418
My post above yours covers your retort. You have no arguments, and your style of argumentation is that of a low-IQ bully. Good day.
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>>34795216
>Literally camoflauge

Attached: Example of Italian telo mimetico camo pattern from year 1929 - the first mass-produced camo pattern anywhere. Does this mean that Italian Army was high quality...

You do know that later Skorzeny went into spying and assassinating people for Israel?
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>>34795461
>the post above yours covers how it did not work out great at all, so I am now going to bail on a conversation I can't win.

Good day to you too.
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>>34795463
>Attached
ha
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>>34795397
>If one company, let's say walmart, owns everything and employs everyone, we do live under what is essentially communism.
Mmm, no.
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>>34795463
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>>34795466
Try doing three things at one without ever doing any mistakes...
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>>34795461
>You have no arguments, and your style of argumentation is that of a low-IQ bully.
Hey, are you calling him a nazi!?
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>>34795475
try not fucking up so much in general fag.
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>>34795476
No. Nazis had high-IQ.
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>>34795396
So your argument against a Nazi state is that it would eventually be overwhelmed by outside enemies trying to prevent its success?
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>>34795504
Lol
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>>34795509
If it's success involved invading the outside world, then yes.
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>>34786539
is this pol or k wtf mods
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>>34786539

So the Waffen- SS is just the USMC of the third Reich?
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>NAZI GERMANY IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY EVER, AND TRULY THE GREATEST RACE. IT IS ONLY RIGHT THAT IT EXPEL THE CLEARLY INFERIOR JEWS.

>IT'S NOT GERMANY FAULT THE JEWS WON.

Wew, guess the aryan race is inferior to the kikes then, huh?
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>>34795536
kys crayaga
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>>34795543
>crayaga
Wut.

Please explain the problem with this logic.
>fight the Jews and their minions.
>lose
>therfore you are not superior to the Jews and their minions.
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>>34795555
>Expecting logic from historical revisionist SS-worshiping cocksuckers.
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>>34795595
It just seems so elementary...

>call the people you acknowledge blew your country and ideology so far out of the water that said ideology is a crime in its fatherland, an inferior race

How is that logical.
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>>34795555
>fight the Jews and their minions.
>lose
>therefore you should never try again and submit to kikery forever

I hope this happens to your gf
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>>34795633
>see, Cletus, when you don't have a GF, she can't cuck you with a nigger!

/pol/lack, yuo are of genius!
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>>34795633
No, whether or not the fight was "righteous" or "good" is not what I am addressing, it's the claims of superiority.

Try to keep up
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>>34795633

You stormcucks remind me of the native Americans a lot.
Whiny fucks who got their shit pushed in and now their lives revolve around pretending their people are somehow more "noble" and "spiritual" than the ones who defeated them, while selling shitty fake memorabilia and getting dead drunk to forget about their failed lives.
The saddest thing is, they were born into their failed abortion of a culture, but you appropriated yours.
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>>34795463
How many Italian regiments were issued and regularly wore full camouflage uniforms?

>You do know the spook hopped around different agencies
Such is the life of a spook. He did a job and he did it god damn well. The nazi ship caught on fire before it sank violently, why would you blame him for seeking working alternatives? He was clearly an intelligent man.
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>>34795745
Whites are superior to kikes and their minions, yes. Like how the protoss is superior to the zerg but lost to it.
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>>34795778
White civilization is what you grew up in, and it is not yet defeated, cuck. I'm not white btw.
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>>34795816
>muh aryans are superior but they lost, here is a video game reference.

If they are superior why did they lose?
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>>34795778
>failed abortion of a culture

How is white/western culture a failed abortion?
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>>34795828
because the war is not yet over.
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>>34795778
>projecting this hard
your white women love my war lance, faggot
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>>34795839
>the war is not even over
>if you identify as a Nazi in the nation of its birth you are very litterally a criminal

It's over.
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>>34795745
Aesthetically superior, for one.
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>>34795860
>gommies
>aryan
Pick one.
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>>34795852
It isn't. The war is on-going. Kikery like this doesn't last forever.
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>>34795875
Gommes because they were actually a threat.
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>>34795307
Dunno, man. Looks to me like it the Islamics doing all of the cucking in Germany right now.
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>>34795878
>when all you have left are /pol/ memes and fapping to movies where people kill niggers, while never procreating because grills think you're creepy

The war is over in every sense in that it is possible for a war to be over.
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>>34795878
>Kikery like this doesn't last forever.

>lasted for the last 100 years
>most dominate nation on earth full jew
>other up and coming nation is full of shitskins

It's over.
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>>34795367
So why wasn't there a great heroic revolt against the Soviets? They did a pretty thorough job of destroying Germany.

Or was the reunification the revolution? Pretty edgy stuff right there.
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>>34795919
>100 years
More like at least a thousand. They've literally never won before so I don't know why he's saying "Kikery like this doesn't last forever".
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>>34795407
Typical kindergartener behavior- blame everybody else for your fuck ups.
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>>34786539
quiet down goy. there is no room for honor in the modern world.
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>The Waffen-SS sucked because some divisions committed warcrimes, fuck off Nazi
>Actually they were a good-natured elite force painted in a bad light, kike

Am I still on /k/? They were a very experienced force of volunteers, which made them very motivated as well. They also committed some of the worst atrocities of the war.
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>>34795830
>white culture
Fuck off, American. There is no such thing as unified white culture, otherwise we would all be cucks like the cumdumpster of European politics you adore so much.
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>>34795878
hey, that is the dude from Never Back Down.
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>>34795954
>They also committed some of the worst atrocities of the war.

keep towing the line. you notice every time you speak in a positive way about the nazis, (nazi itself being a derogatory term invented by the wester media) you are compulsed to cover your blasphemy by pointing out that they were terrible people as an addendum to your statement?

it's called brainwashing. the bolshiveks killed five times the amount of people at the time, and were some brutal sons of bitches, raping women and razing towns as a top down policy. but, all the edgy faggots carry around flags with the hammer and sickle and no one bats an eyelash. why do you think that is??
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>>34796004
I'm not brainwashed, I know every army had their fair share of raping. I'm just trying to say that committing war crimes and being an effective fighting force aren't exclusive.

I'm fairly certain the SS take the cake when it comes to killing POWs though.
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>>34796004

Don't forget the Brits. At one point the let about 3.000.000 East Asians starve to death, although some Sikhs said they could feed them. The Brits denied that help and let them die. THREE MILLION. Not a single fuck is given by history.
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>>34796035
i am 100% certain you are wronk. the soviets most of the time didn't even take POW's, they just killed their prisoners a lot of the time after tortureing and mutilating them.

>>34796041
don't forget while the Americans were bombing industrial and military targets, the Brits were bombing cities and civilians. hundreds of thousands of innocent German people died.

history is written by the victors.
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>>34795555
Don't forget that the jews also somehow control the world, thus they are the master race3
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>>34795878
>Kikery like this doesn't last forever
>Jews have an ethnostate while shipping loads of migrants to europe
>Majority of nazis are either mocked at or stay on internet boards noted for it's degeneracy

Yeah they won
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>>34796203
What a qtp2t
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I like the SS, if only for the fact they copyrighted all of their camo patterns so the Heer couldn't use them. Some of their hijinks, like capturing Belgrade with seven men, are pretty good too. Wehrmacht bantz are entertaining.
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>>34796203
>hundreds of thousands of innocent German people died

Everyone wants to be gangsta (a total war) until it's time to do gangsta shit (die).
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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>>34796041
Because the Poo's never had famine before the brits turned up....
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>>34796506
>quotes the total war speech that was delivered in 1943 as though it were pre-war
typical retarded ebonics poster
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>>34795358
This thread could use a pregnant Anne Frank derail.
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>>34797023
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>>34796965
What he's trying to say is: Don't start a war that's for all the marbles then get all whiny when you get taken to the cleaners.
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>>34796203
>soviets most of the time didn't even take POW's, they just killed their prisoners
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>>34797166
Germany didn't start the war ;^)
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>>34795216
There were like 2 or 3 SS divisions out of 38 that were the Elite of the Elite, the rest were glorified Boy Scouts with a tendency towards mass murder and running away at the first sign of real combat.

Either way, the Wehrmacht bore the brunt of the fighting, also does anyone remember the height requirement for the Waffen SS? I remember ready it was about 5'9
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>>34797240
>the rest were glorified Boy Scouts
The rest were foreign "volunteers" and anti-terrorist units.
>height requirement for the Waffen SS
Before the war it was 5'9" for Waffen SS and ~ 6' for LSSAH.
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>>34789932
You realize that Kaiserreich isn't the only source for alternate history, right?
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>>34797202

A lot of the time they did, but so did the Germans.
Not that it really mattered, since being a German POW in Russia was basically a death sentence, and vice versa.
The Eastern front was fucking savage. I guess that's what you get when two brainwashed armies of two different totalitarian shitholes go to war.

>>34797208

It did. The western Allies repeatedly took the German dick up their collective ass because they thought it would prevent another great war, and if Hitler left it at that, it would have.
But he decided to push his luck and try an ass to mouth, and we all know how that turned out.
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>>34795247
the tyrant dies and his rule ends, the martyr dies and his rule begins.
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>>34797289
>anti-terrorist units

wew lad
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>>34797350
They don't want to hear it. They will say Britain and France declared war first, that Poland provoked Germany, or post a newspaper page about Jews banding together to boycott German products (The headline uses "Declare War" to describe it)
Nazis will always have an excuse to blame someone else for their own savagery and failure.
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>>34797350
>Third Reich
>shithole

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>>34797350
>the western Allies

who ignored the Soviet Union invading Poland just like Germany did, who ignored SU annexing Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, like Germany annexing Austria and Czech Rep, who ignored Soviet Union attacking Finland unprovoked. In the end they only declared war on Germany and allied with the Soviet Union. Yeah, real (((arbiters of justice))) there.
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>>34797486
>look, here's a picture of Germans acting civilized, your argument is invalid

I know for bootlicking stormweenies it's basically heaven, utopia and the promised land balled into one, but for any freedom-loving individual it's a totalitarian shithole of a police state no matter how you spin it.
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>>34797541
>hurrrrr disregard X because Y also happened!

USSR should have been nuked before they even recovered after WWII, but that's not the point of the thread.
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>>34797486
The standard of living of a farmer in the US during the War was higher than a German citizens at the beginning of the war, they just didn't know any better since the Government kept them in the dark, shit I'll even venture that a nigger during the war had it better than a German citizen.
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>>34797546
How's that freedom treating ya, "freedom-loving individual"?
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>>34797570
Why after world war II? Why not DoW them at the same time as DoWing Germany, or better, only DoWing them for being expansionist commies?
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>>34797609
West Germany and Germany in the 90s was pretty damn comfy actually, not our fault the government hates freedom and wants to bring freedom hating hajis
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>>34797593
The increase in standard of living of an average German citizen is far larger than that of an average US citizen since the NSDAP took over.
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>>34797632

You dream of the beautiful face you have found in this place. So soft and sweet.

One day you will both die and your ashes will fly from an aeroplane over the sea.
But for now you are young and all you want is lay in the sun, and count every beautiful thing you can see. Love to be in the arms of all you’re keeping here with you.

What a beautiful dream that could flash on the screen in a blink of an eye
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>>34797609
>more whataboutism

I don't really give a shit, I'm not German. But maybe if they didn't start the bloodiest conflict in recorded history, they wouldn't be so easily guilt tripped about it today and therefore destined for cuckdom.
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>>34797639
I guess going from nigger in Africa tier standard of living to peasant tier is an improvement, an American still had a standard of living over all and the Germany was going it wasn't going to last anyways
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>>34797644
Suddenly, you awaken from your slumber to the sound of a bloodcurdling scream. You open your eyes to darkness, it takes a split second for your vision to readjust. You feel lonely and cold. Another shriek knocks you back into reality. Anne sitting next to you, clutching her belly, face contorted from pain. A foul smelling fluid lies pooled on the floor around her mid-section. Your hot dirty fuckfest has brought on labor. she cries your name, begging for help, begging for you. The noise. She’s louder than a line of Louisiana Tigers giving the Rebel Yell right now. You raise your finger to your lips to tell her to be quiet. But the agony is too much for her to bear. You’ve got to do something or else it will awaken the entire neighborhood and with it, the Nazis. Suddenly you remember the bulge in your pants. You’ve got morning wood. It’s not the best gag, but it will have to do. You stand up, squat like a slav, using her belly as an impromptu stool, grab your still cum-crusted cock, and shove it right inside her mouth. At first, she tries to scream even louder in surprise, but your circumcised 100% Kosher dong blocks her windpipe, reducing her screams to a barely audible gurgle. Suffering from unbearable pain, she bites down on her your meat with each contraction. Now you’e in pain too. With each contraction, she bites down harder, it feels like she’s gonna tear your cock right off. Eventually, the pain subsides for her and she doesn’t bite down as much. Now it seems almost as if she’s starting to enjoy it. You can feel your child kick on your testicles. Clearly it’s excited too. Suddenly, your cock starts to shake like a V-2 again, you pull it out of her mouth just in time. You bust your steaming hot and sticky load, blanketing her like an incendiary carpetbombing of Dresden. Semen stains her mountaintops (all three of them), along with her hair and most of her face. She quietly giggles from the ironic amusement of it all. You giggle too.
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>>34797632
>>34797644
>>34797662

You see what you guys did?
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>>34797662

Then a look of sharp pain shoot across her face. She’s having your baby. You wish you could bear all the pain for her, but all you can do is sit and watch. You look down at her vulva, still oozing with cum from that great fucking you gave her a few hours ago. You can see a head of black hair poking out. You fear that she’s gonna start screaming again, much to your relief, it seems that she’s gotten better control of the pain, thanks to you. She begins to softly moan, it seems as if instead of experiencing excruciating agony, she’s experiencing an orgasm. You can’t help but grin as she keeps pushing. As more of the head becomes visible, her moaning intensifies. Finally a small head emerges from her vagina. You can see a face wrapped in an umbilical cord. A small pair of hands grab the head, she weakly tries to pull the head out. You put your hands around the head and begin to help her pull. Desperately, she goes into the next contraction with all of her energy, and pushed with everything inside of her. She feels everything. She feels shoulders and hips and feet all slide down inside of her and pop out in one long push, with a rush of fluid behind it, and it feels amazing. She throws her head back with a rip-roaring orgasm that penetrates the very heart of her soul.
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>>34788688
there was a Dutch (might of been Belgian) conscript who published his memoirs after serving with them during the Warsaw Uprising

>fiercest house to house fighting since Stalingrad
>"cant sleep because torment from 'Warsaw Nightmares"
>have to try killing your CO because he is a sadistic excuse of a human
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>>34797653
>blaming the Germans for the war
>not blaming the kikes
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>>34797680

Oh god, just thinking about this is making me rock hard. The hardest I’ve ever gotten. Oh, I think I’m gonna… I’m gonna-

*Cums in Diary*
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>>34797670

Hey >>34797023 asked for it. I just delivered.
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>>34797289
>t. Goebbels himself
As a Wehraboo I am humbled to be in your presence. That said, fuck partisans. Everyone already knew Germans got kill happy when there was even talk of partisans from the previous World War and the Russians went ahead and supported shit tons of them. Everyone's going to be upset when people in civilian clothing are being shot but nobody is going to take responsibility for arming those sons of bitches.
>babby killuhs! Muh inosent chilluns!
If you didn't want your village to burn you shouldn't have let your kids grow up to be soviet dogs.

If I had to choose between random "civilians" who may or may not be trying to kill me and my own men I'd choose my guys every time.
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>>34794917
reminder it took 2 SS divisions + reinforcements 2 months to defeat partisans armed with homemade pistols and molotovs
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>>34797659
The rate of increase of living standards, both economical and social, in Germany would have lasted without the allies DoW due to the elimination of kikes and kikery in German society.
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>>34797670

After the rabid /pol/tard calling everyone a kike in like twenty posts in a row?
I think the quality of the thread objectively improved.
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>>34797698
Carry on then
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>>34789977
kys cuck
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>>34797737

Don't flatter yourself.
After you spent all the stolen jewgolds on whores and schnapps it would be "tightening the belts" for the German worker again just to fund the NSDAP elite's parties alone.
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>>34797743

Pregnant Anne Frank is my go-to method of disrupting Holocaust denial threads. I like to think of it as my grandfather who's mother was a Holocaust survivor and served in US Army Psychological Operations during the Cold War.
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>>34797787

*honoring my grandfather
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>>34797787
psy ops is a hell of a drug
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>>34788828
Are there any translations or subtitles? How the fuck am I supposed to understand the video?
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>>34797546
(((You)))
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>>34797726
reminder the soviets got absolutely obliterated during the third battle of kharkov and took a 10-1 kill deficit vs an attacking force while they had defended positions. i can cherrypick too but the combat effectiveness of the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th ϟϟ has been proven. they were elite.
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>>34797919
Its too bad the other 34 Divisions were shit, you can thank them for tanking relations with the local populace in Ukraine, Baltic countries and Belorussia
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>>34797905
>feel free to put a boot on my neck if you promise to gas the kikes and shitskins
>literally WE WUZ REICH N SHIET

Comedy gold.
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>>34797943
r e k t
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>>34795504
As evidenced by their war-winning strategies, right?
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>>34797943
the only ukrainians that deserve respect are the ones who fought in the ukrainian insurgent army (which was briefly allied with germany) mostly because they were still killing tens of thousands of bolsheviks after the war ended
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>>34795610
Not that guy, but I was hoping for an explanation of that crayaga thing. Only thing google turns up is some tripfag on /co/.
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>>34795265
that picture is fake
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>>34798097

Wow, thanks cpt. Obvious.

>>34798047

They also turned against the SS in the Prague uprising and pretty much saved the impromptu resistance from being utterly annihilated.
But they also commited lots of atrocities in Poland and elsewhere, so I don't feel all that sorry that they were cut off from the US forces they wanted to surrender to, rounded up and slaughtered.
To be fair, I don't really count the crimes they committed after they were dispersed and went into hiding in the forests, when you're hunted by everyone and everyone you encounter is 99.9% likely to report you the moment you turn your back or try to shoot you, you can either die a good guy or try and survive whatever it takes.
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>>34796004
>nazi itself being a derogatory term invented by the wester media)

The term was in use before the rise of the NSDAP as a colloquial and derogatory word for a backwards peasant, characterizing an awkward and clumsy person. It was derived from Ignaz, which is a shortened version of Ignatius,[5][6] a common name in Bavaria, the area from which the Nazis emerged. Opponents seized on this and shortened the first word of the party's name, Nationalsozialistische, to the dismissive "Nazi".[6][7][8][9]

>but muh (((wikipedia))), right?
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>>34796004
>nazi itself being a derogatory term invented by the wester media

The word "Nazi" is German in origin. It derives from "Sozi", meaning "socialist rabble". It basically means "nationalist rabble".
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>>34798342
It means "national sozialist"--->NaZi
Or "national socialist"
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>>34797350
genmany didn't want war, nor did they start it. if you read the history you would know this. and, you talk like a goddamn degenerate, no wonder.
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the amount of brainwashed retards ITT, and in the world at large is staggering. you were all lied too, fooled, and it's hard to admit.

>germany had an extremely high standard of living leading up to the war. general patton said himself after they surrendered that, "we fought for the wrong side, and, "we have destroyed a good race, and replaced them with mongol svages".

trust me, if you read anything about the events of the time, and not just regurgitate rhetoric like a teenager that just finished watching saving private ryan, it would be blatantly obvious to you what happened.
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>>34798726
>genmany didn't want war, nor did they start it
You must really be too old, you've gone senile.
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Hitler a gud boi! He dindu nuffin!
He didn't want war but those mean Poles, French, and British made him invade numerous countries.
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>>34798726
>>34798795
>threaten into submission and annex/puppet several sovereign countries
>I DON'T WANT WAR GUISE
>invade another country, allying yourself with the worst scumbag in the history of 20. century while you're at it
>SRSLY GUISE I DON'T WANT WAR PLS
>invade two more countries
>PLS NO WAR GUISE
>invade three neutral countries so you can move your troops around another country's defenses
>OMG GUISE WHY CAN'T THERE BE PEACE

You of all people talking about brainwashed retards is just too rich.
As a (gun-owning) Euro I hate it when people regurgitate memes about American education, but with every thread where /pol/ brainlets attempt to whiteknight for the Third Reich, I can see where they're coming from.
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>>34798795

>germany had an extremely high standard of living leading up to the war

Read Wages of Destruction by Adam Tooze and say that

>general patton said himself after they surrendered that, "we fought for the wrong side, and, "we have destroyed a good race, and replaced them with mongol svages"

He was also so repulsed by the sight of the concentration camps that he became violently ill.

And unlike your perpetual quoting-diary-entries-out-of-context stormfags' claims, his response was actually caught on camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8yWA58t78A
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>>34798795
thats a nice oldschool slav titty
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>>34798808
retard with nothing to contribute besides defending his jew masters

>>34798824
brainwashed

>>34798836
>euro
please shut the fuck up. you people are the most indoctrinated lemmings on the planet


i'm not going to debate the many points about how poland was ethnicly clensing germans, or how the world econimy was decimating germany. you don't have to believe me that this type of thing has been going on in full force since at least the time of the kings and queens in midevil europe. just go and do a little research on propaganda. that is all i ask. you will have to do it on your own because you won't learn it at college. they are only teaching kids how to play the victim, and be offended faggot snowflakes, with a side order of narcissistic self indulgence. but, please stop pretending your governments are not lying to you.
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>>34798964

>he thinks the Danzigocaust was real
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>>34797787
>Jew tries psyop
>immediately starts posting nazi submission sex fantasies
sounds about right
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>>34798964
>you people are the most indoctrinated lemmings on the planet
>please stop pretending your governments are not lying to you
>just go and do a little research on propaganda

Says the retard who is, word for word, regurgitating the (literal propaganda minister) Goebbels' low energy bait intended to further whip up the already well-indoctrinated brown shirt lemmings.

Really made me think. ;^)
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>>34798999
>the completely made up country of Poland dindu nuffin
dumb frogposter
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>>34798964
Just know that if you continue to believe shit like this, you are going to die angry, bitter and alone. People (if they don't already) will know you're a psycho freak, who's life is so shit that he has to day dream about a time period he didn't personally experience, and only knows about from other psycho conspiracy retards who make shit up.

You aren't going to win the "race war", and you aren't going to defeat "da jewz". You can claim that your view is right forever, but that will only make you more alone and miserable.

Kill yourself, nazi faggot.
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>>34799012
>how can my own propaganda be wrong if it says its right?
lmao, democracucks
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>>34799043
>1930's propaganda is the objective truth, don't trust all the newfangled propaganda your government is trying to push!

Stormcucks confirmed for the fedoras of politics.
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>>34797208
>France and England have a pact to protect Poland should it ever be attacked
>Germany attacks
Idiot. By invading Poland (with their supposed enemies the Bolsheviks), they themselves declared war on England, knowing the agreement between them.

>Pick on littlest kid on the playground
>Cry about getting attacked when his older brother comes over to protect him
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>>34794884
>All known history is fake! I am of superior intellect because I instantly believe the one outlet of "history" that sides with my beliefs!
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>>34799012
>>34799043
all governments use it. except yours apparently. just admit that you are a commie, degenerate and you are trained to defend your zionist masters.
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>>34799066
He says while spouting his own 1930's propoganda.
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What is the point of this thread?

Stormfags please kill yourselves
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didn't mean to quote >>34799043

sorry, brother.
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>>34799077
>immediately breaks treaty when Russia invades Poland
England and France wanted a war with Germany, Poland was just a convenient means to an end.
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>>34799114
nein
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>>34799103

>he says spouting his failed state propaganda
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>>34799142
All of the people in that picture are dead, and were crying and scared shitless before they died. That is the price they paid. I only hope that you can achieve the same fate someday.
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>>34786539
>the Waffen SS was a fucking awesome.
Fuck off back to /pol/, edgelord.

>They were the most fanatic
Fanaticism isn't a good thing

>the closest to a modern knightly order that existed.
They showed very little chivalry to civilians and POWs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhoudt_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardenne_Abbey_massacre

>B-but look at these cool Nazi propaganda videos with Hans Zimmer tracks
>B-but muh cool uniforms
>De Jewz
>Muh Dresden
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>>34799131
>England and France wanted a war with Germany
If you actually knew history, you'd realize how wrong that is. Notice that France and England were so slow to deploy that they merely positioned themselves defensively rather than try to take the fight to Poland itself. WWI was still fresh in the minds of the allies, who wanted to avoid going through it again. Their mistake was thinking the G*rms would actually behave like humans, not savages.
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>>34786539
Edgy
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>>34799148
>he says spouting his own state's propaganda while it tries to find ways to invalidate the election
>>34799155
k
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>>34788650
DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS
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>>34799095
>everyone is a brainwashed zombie controlled by the lying kike pulling the strings in their governments, except me because I'm redpilled by shit I read on Stormfront, wake up sheeple, read something on history
>no don't read anything by ((((historians))))

Your existence is a big inside joke, because the very fact deranged retards like you with heads full of alternate universes latch onto the Reich reliably protects WWII Germany from even the most careful attempts to, if not rehabilitate it, then at least portray it as something other than literal hellspawn in the eyes of people who are not raving mad.
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>>34786539
>I am absolutely convinced that it is vital to preserve peace in Europe
>Destroys Europe
Oh, Germany
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>"I ask you: Do you want total war? If necessary, do you want a war more total and radical than anything that we can even yet imagine?"

Huh. Looks like he got his wish.
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Fuck off faggot
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>>34799207
May I borrow that /his/ meme?
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Was Nazi Germany a beta uprising?
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>>34799160
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane_massacre
>aiding terrorists
>participating as non-uniformed combatants
>get killed
how terrible
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmedy_massacre
>jumpy teenagers shoot soldiers reaching for concealed weapons
how terrible
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhoudt_massacre
>"insufficient evidence to bring charges"
never even happened
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ardenne_Abbey_massacre
>cant even agree on what happened
>officer acquitted of most charges
>"confessions" extracted from torture, as was usual for the allies
Wew, did the white phosphorous fumes from the firebomb factory go to your head or something?
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DO IT AGAIN, BASED HARRIS!
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Why did Nazis have such prominent noses, /pol/friends?
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>>34790242
what about the russians and the brits they were murderers too; so were the jew loving americunts nuking the gooks
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>>34799215
i don't read stormfront, never have. the jews are overrepresented in all positions of power and influence. history is written by the victors. the jews were granted palistine by the brits after the war. the jewish bolshivek communist revolution was intended to take over the world. the third reich was the last honorable, sovreighn state.

these are all facts you would learn if you didn't live in an alternate universe. but, yea so damaged right now bro. please stop astonishing me with your blinding truth.
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>>34799272
reminder that "muh dresden" is a myth.

Go cry about muh 300 billion somewhere else surrender monkey faggot
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>>34799007
>Jew tries psyop

As far as the religion is concerned, Grandpa never really got into it. The most Jewish thing about him is that he had a Bar Mitzvah (at his mother's insistence). He isn't even circumcised.

>nazi submission sex fantasies

Nigga, did you even read the pasta?
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>>34799272
DO IT AGAIN HITLER
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/his/ is best ally.
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>>34799176
edgy
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Ihr Schild blieb rein.
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>>34799285
>Jewish bolshevik

when will this meme die?
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>>34799285
>the jews were granted palistine by the brits after the war
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>>34799287
>Dresden never happened
>DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS
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>>34799285
This low IQ faggot can't even spell
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>>34799296
Which one died for a country that went on to become a superpower the likes of which the world has never seen?

:^)
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>>34799309
>Two people posting different things
Clever clever stormfag
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>>34799302
>Central Committee 1924
>not the Council of People's Commissars 1917
nice try
http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/
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>>34799302
Besides, the czarist government had never been too kind to jews. If there were a disproportionate number of jews among the revolutionaries, then you might imagine why they weren't keen on joining the monarchists after the February revolution.

For that matter, have any stormcucks bothered to check the number of jews among the Mensheviks or Kerensky's moderates?
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>>34799322
Which one died with his face in the mud for niggers and jews?
;^)
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>>34799309
dresden never happened

but it should have
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>>34799347
Because they lost and never got around to genociding kulaks.
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>>34799340
you dont understand soviet government obviously. the central committee of the party was the highest organ of power, not the state ministries.

Read a book on marxism you dumb faggot
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>trying to convince /k/ the dumbest board on 4chan about the jerries
>not realizing they worship subhumans from a frozen hell

Muh americans and brits are the good guys!
Muh only germans committed war crimes!

Whats the point OP? They clearly won't bother to dig deep enough anyway
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>>34799380
It didn't even yet you fucking retard commie.
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>>34789932
>someone who actually understands history
What the fuck, am I dreaming? An intelligent post on /k/?
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>>34799375
>Party A is 17% Jewish
>Party A gets destroyed by Party B
>Party B is 16% Jewish
>Fucking Jews!
Kill yourself, stormcuck
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>>34799285
>the third reich was the last honorable, sovreighn state.

>Invading and subjugating the nations of Europe
>Subject Europe to 5 years of slavery, genocide, and tyranny
>Committing the genocide and enslavement of Eastern Europeans
>Committing war crimes on a massive scale
>Using children and pensioners as soldiers
>Deliberately destroying the historic city of Warsaw and slaughtering the civilian population
>Murder thousands of captured Italian troops, your former allies
>Kill over 3 million Soviet POWs through starvation, forced labor, shootings
>Starve Dutch civilians in the final days of the war
>Send millions of your male population off to die in Russia
>Ask for total war, cry when you get it
How honorable, how NOBLE.
If not for DE ((((((((((((JEWZ))))))))))))) and their scheming ways I'm sure we would all be living in a utopia under BASED HITLER.

>>34799301
That pic is from a training exercise, not combat.

>>34799296
Trying to portray a criminal organization that committed numerous war crimes against civilians and prisoners of war alike to be honorable modern knights is what's edgy here.
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>January 1945
>Morgenthau Plan exposed
>"LOOK WHAT DE JEWZ WANT TO DO WITH GERMANY"
>"FIGHT FOR YOUR FÜHRER"
>March 1945
>"DESTROY EVERYTHING, BOMB THE FACTORIES AND BRIDGES"
>"BURN ALL THE FOOD"
>"ALL GERMANS THAT ARENT DEAD YET ARE SUBHUMAN COWARDS"
What did he meant by this?
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There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the most redpilled guy around?! Oh my God. I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little Nazi apologism thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting /pol/ack that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just past in the link to the video. Oh, and we all know the vid. The "epic" Nazi video with Hans Zimmer music, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on /k/ posting about fucking Adolf Hitler. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a stormfag. A pathetic stormfag nigger. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
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i'm out. you guys will defend your jewish masters until you are blue in the face. you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think.
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>>34799410
>f not for DE ((((((((((((JEWZ))))))))))))) and their scheming ways I'm sure we would all be living in a utopia under BASED HITLER.
hitler didn't want to take over the world, he wanted national sovereignty. only the global zionist dangle the, "utopia" meme in front of the masses to justify killing and enslaving them.

ok now im out foreal
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Oh look it's another SS/Wehrmacht apologism thread
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>>34799400
>party A is 80-85% jewish
>just like it was in when they tried it in Germany
>pure coincidence
Lets go down the first Politburo as well
Zinoviev - Jewish
Lenin - Jewish
Kamenev - Jewish
Trotsky - Jewish
Stalin - actually not a Jew
Sokolnikov - Jewish
Bubnov - actually not a jew
70% is a bit bigger than 17%
but yeah, dumb stormfags, right?
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>>34786539
You have a lot of angst built up over a war that ended 70 years ago.
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>>34786539
Pic related, it's you.
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>>34799484
Oh look its another the Allies were saints post.
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>>34799443
There he is. There he goes again. Look, everyone! He posted it once again! Isn't he just the most enlightened guy around?! Oh my God. I can almost see your pathetic overweight frame glowing in the dark, lit by your computer screen which is the only source of light in your room, giggling like a like girl as you once again type your little commie apologism thread up and fill in the captcha. Or maybe you don't even fill in the captcha. Maybe you're such a disgusting antifa that you actually paid for a 4chan pass, so you just past in the link to the video. Oh, and we all know the vid. The "epic" commie video with Hans Zimmer music, isn't it? I imagine you little shit laughing so hard as you click it that you drop your Doritos on the floor, but it's ok, your mother will clean it up in the morning. Oh, that's right. Did I fail to mention? You live with your mother. You are a fat fucking fuckup, she's probably so sick of you already. So sick of having to do everything for you all goddamn day, every day, for a grown man who spends all his time on /k/ posting about fucking based bomber harris. Just imagine this. She had you, and then she thought you were gonna be a scientist or an astronaut or something grand, and then you became a commie. A pathetic commie nigger. She probably cries herself to sleep everyday thinking about how bad it is and how she wishes she could just disappear. She can't even try to talk with you because all you say is "STALIN DID NOTHING WRONG." You've become a parody of your own self. And that's all you are. A sad little man laughing in the dark by himself as he prepares to indulge in the same old dance that he's done a million times now. And that's all you'll ever be.
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>>34799484
there needs to be a werhaboo general thread to contain stupid shit like this, and a sovietaboo general as well
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>>34797801
>Can't even understand the surviving SS members
>Don't trust genuine translated articles like (((Wikipedia)))
>Only believe The Greatest Story Never Told

Always funny when there are some non-Europeans whose families didn't witness the war that now think they know the true story.

I summarized the video here >>34793792
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>>34799490
>*value ruble drops even further*
Slavniggers literally had an entire continent of resources to themselves, collapsed without capitalist food shipments, and is still economical inferior to a Germany with god knows how many refugees draining it. How worthless do you have to be to have the world handed to you on a silver platter and still manage to fuck up?
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>>34799285
>be a contrarian idiot
>discard the history independently recorded by just about every country in the world
>cherrypick and uphold shady or outright doctored accounts and literal, demonstrably false contemporary propaganda just because they're the only accounts that agree with your worldviews
>act like you're in a secret club that actually knows the truth about history

You're the fucking cancer that's plaguing WWII history.
Everyone shies away from attempts to re-examine and correct the often exaggerated WWII accounts or outright urban legends (lampshades and soap, anyone?) just because they don't want to be associated with demented faggots like you who tell everyone willing to listen that Hitler literally did nothing wrong.
Did you see the South Park episode where people wanted to protect their town's flag from liberal fags who wanted to change it because they found it racist, but then the KKK came to town and started endorsing them, effectively ruining any credibility the movement had?
That's exactly what you dipshits are doing. Do everyone a favor and collectively neck yourself.
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>>34799486
You haven't been following the chain at all. It's okay, I'm sure a subhuman like yourself will learn how to read a conversation someday!

I was addressing the ethnic composition of the losers in the November revolution and the subsequent civil war. Stormcucks like to make a big deal over Jewish composition of the Bolsheviks, but they don't do the same for the Mensheviks or other groups vying for political power. The idea being that, if each group has roughly the same proportion of Jews, then the whole jewish thing is a red herring.

So tell me, friend. How many of the Mensheviks were jewish? What about the reactionary monarchists? What about the moderates of the provision government? Well?
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I feel like this thread is what imageboards would have looked like in 1945.
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>>34793792
>Brandenburgers
>not Skorzeny's commandos
>or even Luftlande-Sturm-Regiment
trash
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>>34799486
Lenin was not Jewish
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>>34799426
>keep hearing all the stories about how Hitler was so charismatic that he fanaticized an entire nation into following him into a war against the world
>watch the speeches
>it's all some beta fag's autistic screeching

Are Germans actually insectoids?
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>>34799557
>You haven't been following the chain at all. It's okay, I'm sure a subhuman like yourself will learn how to read a conversation someday!
Because your entire argument is that since it wasn't exclusively the armed forces of Israel participating, the Jews had no real involvement. Nobody's claiming it was literally only the Jews, they're claiming the upper echelon, aka the element that actually has power, was disproportionately Jewish to an absurd degree. And it was, in both the communist revolutions in the USSR and Germany .
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>>34786539
>They were the most fanatic and the closest to a modern knightly order that existed.
a gaggle of literal nazi knights sounds pretty "bad guy" to me
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>>34799603
>Lenin was not Jewish
wat?
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>>34799486
Different guy here. All of your examples are valid except for Lenin. Lenin's great-grandfather on his mother's side was Jewish, but he was a Jewish convert who was not religious and hated his Jewish ancestry. No one else in Lenin's family line from that point forward was Jewish.

>but muh one drop

One drop is a stricter standard than either the Russians or even the Nazis applied to whether individuals were legally classified as Jewish. In Nazi Germany, you were Jewish if you had three Jewish grandparents or if you had two Jewish grandparents and were 1.) active in the Jewish religion 2.) had stereotypically Jewish features. Lenin falls into neither of these categories. You should not be including Lenin if you want to make your argument stronger.
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>>34799640

>Nazis
>Knights or chivalrous warriors of any culture

Two words that do not belong in the same sentence.
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>>34799603
He had a Jewish great-grandfather (Moshe Blank) and married a Jewish woman.
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>>34799688
he was as jewish as a bowl of matzo ball soup
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>>34799640
>>34799676
You have something against anti-terrorism organizations?
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A lot of unusual posts in this thread.
Fucking shareblue.
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>>34799714
>anti-terrorism organizations
>maxim was literally "terror must be broken by terror"
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>your own grandparents and great-grandparents used to spend evenings telling you all about what WWII was like
>a homeschooled American tripfag calls you a kike-indoctrinated fool because he read some infowars articles

This will never stop being funny.
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>>34799688
What's your source on his wife being Jewish?

Also, if we go by your standard of "Jewish great-grandparent = Jew," it naturally follows that the notion of Jews being overrepresented in Europe and America is a total myth, because it would make a plurality of the population of the western hemisphere Jewish.
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>>34799627
You still aren't getting it. Maybe you should have paid a little more attention in (((school))) so you could actually understand when adults are talking. Let me try to rephrase this so a child could understand.
>Montagues and Capulets are fighting over Verona
>Both families are Jewish
>Montagues kill or exile the Capulets.
>Montagues treat the city like shit
>The problem here is Jews
Don't you get it yet? The problem can't be jewishness if both sides of the fight were just as jewish (unless you're going to make the counter-factual claim that the Mensheviks would have been just as cruel had they won). It'd be like focusing on the Confederacy's white leadership and claiming that whiteness was the problem, without looking at the Union's nearly identically white leadership as well.

>>34799714
>Invade and treat the locals like shit
>lol you aren't in a uniform or your nation's authorities are all quislings so you can't enlist
>guess you can't defend yourself, sucks to be you
Kill yourself, subhuman trash.
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>>34799761
this so much
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>>34799676
Why not?

The Nazis generally followed the rules of war and abided by the Geneva conventions, which is more than you can say for just about any post-war polity.
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>>34799761
The most hilarious part is that the immediate family of Alex Jones is comparatively much more Jewish than that of Lenin. Jones' wife who just divorced him is Jewish, which means that she and all of her children by Jones are actually eligible for emigration to Israel under the Law of Return.
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>>34799790
>
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Genrikh Yagoda founded the NKVD. He was a Jew and killed more people than Hitler; but where's the outrage?

200 Years Together doesn't even have a proper English translation.
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>>34799807
>objective fact
>wehraboo

Are you suggesting reality has a Germanic bias anon?
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>>34799819
The NKVD is just the successor organization to the Cheka, and the first leader of Cheka was Dzerzhinsky (not Jewish).
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>>34799819
provide credible sources to your claims and create a /his/ thread, we can discuss his crimes. I don't see what role the fact that he was a Jew plays, though.

Anyway, nothing can excuse the atrocities the Nazis commited, if you like it or not.

>>34799832
>objective fact

I suggest you start reading here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Nazi_war_crimes
>inb4 (((Wikipedia)))

Also Germanic =/= German you pseudo intellectual
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>>34799758
>*drone strikes a terrorist wedding and then the funeral afterwards*
if it ain't broke, don't fix it

>>34799761
My grandfather was belligerently antisemitic and would go off on tangents about how Patton was murdered for being anti-communist.

>>34799770
I got him confused with Stalin's son.
On the other matter, you're severely overestimating the intermixture of Jews and their host populations. The Jews have persisted as a stateless people through the centuries by their extreme proclivity to in-breeding.
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>>34799832
I didn't realize that ethnic cleansing and keeping Russian POWs locked up in cages like animals was "generally following the rules of war".
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>>34799819
>source, I don't see what role the fact that he was a Jew plays
>200 Years Together

Already covered that, anon.
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>>34799887
>you're severely overestimating the intermixture of Jews and their host populations. The Jews have persisted as a stateless people through the centuries by their extreme proclivity to in-breeding.

I hear this repeated a lot, but do you have any links to some of your sources? I ask because while it is true to a degree, your statement does not acknowledge that there are significant Jewish populations throughout history who have absolutely no ancestral ties to the Pharisaic Jewish sect that was the starting point of the Jewish diaspora. Few of the Khazars and none of the Ethiopian Jews had any blood ties to the Levantine Jews. The Ashkenazis have barely any stronger connection than the Ethiopians, given that they are descended from Khazars intermixing with Germans (which is something worth bringing up when people talk about Ashkenazi IQ). The Sephardics as a group have the strongest ties to ancient Judaism, as the emigration of Jews to Hispania after the destruction of the Second Temple is attested in numerous contemporary historical accounts.

TLDR: The idea of a common/shared Jewish ancestry flies in the face of the historical record. It might conditionally apply to many Sephardic Jews, but it is inapplicable when discussing Khazars, Ethiopians, or Ashkenazis.
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>>34799776
>Jews wreck a city
>but it had nothing to do with the Jews
Fantastic analogy. let me try my own,

>two groups founded and led by Jews start a revolution based on a Jewish ideology
>the two groups came to be at odds with one another
>the problem here is the kulaks
Both sides were still Jewish, the mensheviks were started by a Jew from Istanbul and drew large amount of support from Jewish people (Jewish Labour Bund). Just because they were not in agreement doesn't change the fact that the Jews were still responsible.

>Kill yourself, subhuman trash.
you first kike sucker
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>>34795900
and who do you think brought them to Germany?
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>>34800094
Its literally on wikipedia man,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews#Genetic_origins
>This suggested that the male ancestors of the Ashkenazi Jews could be traced mostly to the Middle East. The proportion of male genetic admixture in Ashkenazi Jews amounts to less than 0.5% per generation over an estimated 80 generations, with "relatively minor contribution of European Y chromosomes to the Ashkenazim,"
> 2001 study by Nebel et al. showed that both Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jewish populations share the same overall paternal Near Eastern ancestries. In comparison with data available from other relevant populations in the region, Jews were found to be more closely related to groups in the north of the Fertile Crescent.
>n 2006, a study by Behar et al., based on what was at that time high-resolution analysis of haplogroup K (mtDNA), suggested that about 40% of the current Ashkenazi population is descended matrilineally from just four women, or "founder lineages", that were "likely from a Hebrew/Levantine mtDNA pool" originating in the Middle East in the 1st and 2nd centuries CE. Additionally, Behar et al. suggested that the rest of Ashkenazi mtDNA is originated from ~150 women, and that most of those were also likely of Middle Eastern origin.In reference specifically to Haplogroup K, they suggested that although it is common throughout western Eurasia, "the observed global pattern of distribution renders very unlikely the possibility that the four aforementioned founder lineages entered the Ashkenazi mtDNA pool via gene flow from a European host population".
>A 2014 study by Fernández et al. has found that Ashkenazi Jews display a frequency of haplogroup K in their maternal DNA that suggests an ancient Near Eastern origin, similar to the results of Behar. He stated that this observation clearly contradicts the results of the study led by Richards that suggested a European source for 3 exclusively Ashkenazi K lineages.
Tay sachs as well.
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>>34800129
The February revolution was necessary, you king's cuck. If "Jewish ideology" means actually having rights as a peasant and not being forced to endure the worst excesses of the gilded age (which america had largely fixed by that time), along with not fighting and dying over some bullshit war that shouldn't concern you, then sign me up. The tsarist government made all of this possible and necessary. Want to know who created the soviet union? It was Nick.

Kerensky and the moderates should have won, but they wouldn't have needed to if the monarchy didn't fuck up as bad as they did in the first place to necessitate revolution.
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>>34800267
>The February revolution was necessary
Oh yes comrade, who would murder the kulaks and seize their land if we didn't have the commissars? Who would starve the Ukrainians if we didn't have the commissars?
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>>34800094
Also, when discussing "Jews" in the Western hemisphere, its a given that its in reference to Ashknazim, seeing as how none of the other were anywhere near as prevalent, or even present for that matter, at the time. So bringing up Ethiopian Jews in when talking about Jewish behavior in Germany and Russia is asinine.
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>>34800314
You don't actually know anything about Russian history, do you? You do realize there were TWO revolutions, right? The first one in February that had royalists, moderates, Mensheviks, and Bolsheviks all attempting to patch the Tsar's mess and form a stable modern (non-absolutist government). Then the November revolution was when the Bolsheviks violently took power and overthrew the (democratic) provisional government and forced the moderates into exile or civil war.

The first had nothing to do with 'kulaks', but you already know that, don't you you disingenuous swine.
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>americucks would rather fight beside niggers, spics, fags and women than beside their brothers of blood
>the most popular americuck ww2 media shows that faggot lt speirs executing surrendered germans
>the retards cheer it on but then bitch about german war crimes

kill yourselves
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>>34800418
>we had good intentions at the start! its just that something completely unexpected happened and we had to slaughter our own people in droves!
ok Robespierre
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>>34800521
Once again, kill yourself.
>we had to slaughter our own people in droves
The pre-revolutionary government was already doing that through its brutal secret police and its foolish insistence on continuing fighting in WWI. Russians were already drying in droves, why else do you think the revolution happened? Sorry about the reds, but they wouldn't have ever gotten power if nicky wasn't so incompetent and his underlings so cruel.

>>34800510
t. krispy kraut
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>>34800510
>the most popular americuck ww2 media shows that faggot lt speirs executing surrendered germans
Surrendered Czechs*
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>>34800616
>Surrendered Czechs*

Wrong movie
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>>34800690
Wats da movie?
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>>34800760
The first poster was talking about Band of Brothers. The second was talking about saving private ryan.
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>>34800773
>I actually forgot Band of Brothers
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A frequent myth that persists to this day is that the SS were the elite forces of the German Army. Except they weren't. The SS were the armed forces of the Nazi Party, and were never integrated into the German Army.

Nor were the SS particularly "elite." The initial SS divisions were trained poorly and fought poorly in the campaigns in Poland, France, and the Balkans. The later Waffen SS panzer and panzergrenadier divisions got first call for men and equipment, so they were larger in size and better-armed than Wehrmacht troops, and were able to fight better. But most of the rest of the SS divisions, drawn from somewhat less "Aryan" manpower sources, were not first in line for weapons and skilled men, and did not fight as well. The 30th SS Division, made of renegade Russians, actually mutinied...

The SS Muslim divisions, raised in Yugoslavia to butcher other Yugoslavians, did so poorly that they were disbanded.

The SS men that fought to the end in Berlin, oddly enough, were mostly French, Dutch, Norwegian, and Danish renegades, who had nothing to live for, knowing that capture would merely be a ticket to a treason trial in the nation they had disowned and dishonored by their service for Hitler
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>>34800579
>why else do you think the revolution happened
People wanted power and money so they killed the people who had it and took it from them.
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>>34800616

Not even fucking sorry a little bit.
The Czechs who were conscripted to go fight for the Reich were 99.9% people who suddenly "found out" about their Aryan ancestry when the Nazis came to power, often changing their names to match their newfound Germanic zeal.
At the start of the occupation and early stages of the war, they raked in the kraut gibs and enjoyed being feared and kowtowed to by the rest of the population.
At the end of the war they died in trenches for a morphine addict's pipe dream that was lost years ago.
Do not confuse these people with the actual Czech citizens that were spirited away to the Reich for forced labor such as building fortifications, digging trenches and cleaning up rubble.

t. Czech
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>>34800846
Other SS units that compiled records of sadism and brutality without any battlefield merit included the Dirlewanger Penal Brigade, an outfit made of convicted criminals, led by a convicted sex offender. Their chief accomplishments were the butchery of partisans in Russia and Warsaw.

And finally, most of the KZ (concentration camp = Konzentrationslager, sometimes abbreviated KL) staff were the bottom of the German manpower barrel: thugs, often police and army rejects without the capacity or inclination for skilled work, some declining into petty criminals who saw in KZ service the opportunity for graft and the exercise of power. Some were real sadists, like Wilhelm Boger, the flogger.

Most, however, as Roger Manvell wrote, "were insensitive and brutalized morons of a kind any nation can produce if the streets, prisons, and brothels are scoured. The best men of Germany were on the fighting fronts, or doing skilled work in the factories. The worst gravitated towards the concentration camps, or into the guard rooms and interrogation cells of the Gestapo."

Manvell further writes in his book 'SS and Gestapo,' that the SS "inherited the men of the poorest quality whom Hitler could spare from his failing battlefronts, and they incorporated the waste products in manpower of the occupied countries in the form of collaborators prepared to join forces with them for what they could get out of the camps in graft and petty theft."
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>>34800866
He adds: "the most alarming fact about the SS is that it was manned, rank and file, by very ordinary men and women of many nationalities, most of them below normal intelligence, leavened here and there by sadists who reached instinctively for victims, by criminals who welcomed a quick release from jail and the chance for graft, and above them at the 'top,' by intellectuals who savored the opportunity of power.

"The SS attracted the kind of people who were in one way or another the misfits in normal society, from whatever level or class or nation they might originate. They were, whatever their psychological motive, the enemies of the people, and the destroyers of their liberties. This is the final outcome of a police state, that the best must be destroyed at the hands of the worst."

Of course, military history buffs might criticize me for not making it clear that the SS in the camps was a DIFFERENT branch of the SS, i.e. not the Waffen-SS - that the camps were run by the Allgemeine SS, who didn't have the same amount of military training. Still, a great many concentration camp guards and staff were transferred from frontline Waffen-SS divisions, e.g. Mengele came from 'Wiking' division. However, the Aktion Reinhard camps were entirely different, and their staff came either from SSPF Lublin, thus from the Police, or from the Allgemeine-SS and Police via T4 euthanasia program (eg Stangl). I wonder what the millions who fought and died as German soldiers would have said if someone had told them that scum like Christian Wirth and Kurt Franz belonged to the elite forces of the German army…
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Hitler, in his speeches, spent time and time again reminding his German subjects that it is not he, but international racketeers that brought this war upon Germany: He kept saying it was Britain and France that emboldened Poland with the confidence to go to war with Germany, he claimed it was the bankers and war industrialists of America who could make money off this war because unlike him they had stocks in the armament industry, and therefore war was forced on the German people.

Carefully selected segments of his speeches with English subtitles are accompanied by colorized high resolution footage stolen from WW2 documentaries with their respective audios muted, then underscored with stolen movie soundtracks like the ones composed by Hans Zimmer, and then presented by today's neo-nazis on Youtube as "documentaries" that "tell the true story" which "THEY don't want YOU to know" and "expose the lies we've all been told about Hitler". One example is a video called "Adolf Hitler's Struggle For Peace": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW-pw4rRvUI

If you have trouble opening the video, just type the given video title in youtube and usually some other neo-nazi will have re-uploaded it with comparatively few views, and therefore it isnt blocked yet. In any case, they garner tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of views and many people get swayed by Hitler the same way the German people did 70 years ago. Part of that fault lies with our own media and education system that ever portray Hitler in fits of rage rather than a cunning and clever orator.
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>>34800897
The same people who keep saying "you are a sheep if you trust the government" are here trusting the Hitler government's official speeches, because it plays well into their pre-conceived notion that the Allies are the bad guys because in the Cold War that ensued, the "good guys", especially the US, went on waging a ton of proxy wars to stop the enemy's ideology (communism) from spreading, from the Vietnam war in the 60s over Central- and South America in the 70s, Afghanistan and the Middle East in the 90s to the Global War on Terror today. This makes them believe Hitler when he said he does not have stocks in the armament industry to be a profiteer of war, but the enemy.

Let's examine this "Hitler was a man of peace" meme, shall we?

The first thing this "man of peace" did after the Machtergreifung in 1933 was to ban all other political parties. He confirms it himself in his 10.11.1933 Montagenhalle Berlin speech:

"Vielleicht wird mancher unter Ihnen sein, der es mir nicht verzeihen kann, dass ich die marxistischen Parteien vernichtete. Aber mein Freund: ich hab die anderen genauso vernichtet!"

which translates to:

"Perhaps there's one of you here are who is unable to forgive me because I eradicated the Marxist party. But my friend: I have eradicated all other parties likewise!"

Earlier on 10th February 1933, he had also said:

"Deutsches Volk, gib uns vier Jahre, und ich schwöre dir: So wie wir, und so wie ich in dieses Amt eintrat, so will ich dann gehen."

which translates to:

"German people, give us four years, and I swear: Just as we, and just as I came into office, so will I then leave it."
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>>34800846
>did poorly in the Balkans
>capture Yugoslavia's capital city outnumbered while outnumbered almost 200 to 1.
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>>34800902
Indeed, what became of Hitler's promise 4 years later? By 1937 he was dictator for life, and anyone publicly criticizing the Nazi party would be put in a camp, if not executed for treason to the German people, because the NSDAP had been deemed the one and only representative of the German people, as Adolf Hitler attested during the Parteitag in early September 1934:

"Denn als unsere Partei gerade sieben Mann hoch war, sprach sie schon zwei Grundsätze aus: Erstens, sie wollte eine wahrhaftige Weltanschauungspartei sein, und zweitens, sie wollte daher kompromisslos die einzige Macht und alleinige Macht in Deutschland."

which translates to:

"Because back when our party numbered just seven men, she made two basic principles: First, she wanted to be a party with a real world-view, and second, she therefore wanted without compromise the sole power and only power in Germany."

and we have Rudolf Hess who made clear in 1934:

"Die Partei ist Hitler! Hitler aber ist Deutschland, wie Deutschland Hitler ist!"

i.e.: "The Party is Hitler. But Hitler is Germany, as Germany is Hitler!"
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>>34800926
This "man of peace" was also orchestrator of the Night of the Long Knives, also known as Operation Hummingbird or the Röhm-Putsch, where from June 30th, to July 2nd 1934 Hitler and his wing murdered the wing of the Nazi party he could no longer work well with: At least 85 people, possibly more than a hundred were killed when Hitler carried out a series of political extra-judicial executions intended to consolidate his and his cabinet's absolute hold on power in Germany. Many of those killed were leaders of the Sturmabteilung (SA), the best-known victim was Ernst Röhm, the SA's leader and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the left-wing Strasserist faction of the NSDAP, along with its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were prominent conservative anti-Nazis such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Adolf Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. Does this look like a peaceful way of conflict-solving to you?

Adolf Hitler has had a long trail of blood covered by telling lies to the public. From re-militarizing the entire nation, over claiming German Volksgenossen residing in north-western Czechia (Sudetenland) were being systematically mistreated to the point that annexation or war were the ONLY options; to getting Austria "Heim ins Reich" (and erasing the entire nation's 900 year identity by calling it Ostmark henceforth including even renaming two of its states, Oberösterreich and Niederösterreich to Oberdonau and Niederdonau), historians can list you a long list of demagoguery that would be too long for this post. Encouraged by the passivity of Britain and France (Hitler-Appeasement policy), he wiped yet another nation off the map, namely Czechia, and eventually set his eyes on reclaiming East Prussian territories lost after WW1, including the city of Danzig and the corridor bearing the same name.
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>>34800940
Let's not forget Hitler's involvement in the Spanish Civil War, especially the bombing of Guernica (a Basque civilian town) under the code name Operation Rügen on April 26, 1937, during which German Luftwaffe planes (part of the Condor Legion) violated the Kriegsvölkerrecht, international laws of armed conflict. Indeed, what were Germans doing in Spain in the 1930s aiding Franco? Perhaps this "peaceful nation" was rehearsing for war?

By this point it was clear that German promises to the rest of Europe were worthless. The annexation of Czechia had already proved that despite assurances in Munich that this would be the last (another lie), Hitler intended to continue taking territory he deemed "should be German", having expanded his army around tenfold and his navy in contravention of treaty obligation.

Hitler got away with re-militarizing the Rhineland despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing Austria "democratically", despite this being forbidden according to treaties. He got away with annexing the Sudetenland despite this territory belonging to a sovereign nation. He got away with swallowing whole the rest of this sovereign nation next. And now he was trying the same thing with the territory of another sovereign nation - the Danzig corridor in Poland.

So this allegation of Hitler "proposing peace solutions to the Poles who rejected them" were in reality very much like a street thug offering to leave me alone if I would just give him $100, and then my wallet, and then my bank account. He was not offering peace solutions because there already was peace. He was making demands to keep the peace, backed by threats.
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>>34800955
The Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, a non-aggression treaty between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, was signed on August 23, 1939, 9 days before the invasion of Poland. Hitler invaded Poland on September 1st, 1939, having already given the order to do so on August 26th. Early in the afternoon of August 31st, Hitler gave the go-ahead order for pre-planned overt operation that faked an attack around 8pm that evening on the German border radio station Gleiwitz to create a false flag excuse for the invasion that began at 4:45 the next morning, September 1st.

The next day, September 2nd, France and England notified Germany that the invasion of Poland had triggered a mutual defense treaty between the 3 countries. That didn't change Hitler's mind. Something revisionists won't tell you.

On September 3rd, the Nazi government received an ultimatum by the British ambassador demanding a response by eleven o'clock concerning the assurance to withdraw from Polish territory. Even that was ignored. Again, something revisionists will not tell you.
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I see /leftypol/ has arrived
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>>34800971
Only as a result of all this was Germany declared war by Britain and France. Indeed, this "man of peace" then proceeded to invade a whole host of other nations like Denmark, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Belgium, Norway, Yugoslavia, and Greece within the next 2 years. Again, something revisionists conveniently decide to "overlook", or try justifying by saying a war between two big powers turns smaller countries around them into something akin to "pawns on a chessboard ripe for the taking, only to prevent the opposing power from claiming them".

Let's also not forget the fact that Hitler allied himself with the Empire of Japan on September 27, 1940 through the Tripartite Act. Why? They're on the other end of the world, a beyond useless trade partner especially during wartime, so what practical use could an alliance such as this have after the war had started, given that Hitler had already defeated France and sent the British Army across Dunkirk by June 1940? The only logic is if Hitler were following an expansionist geopolitical strategy, specifically in trying to open an eastern front in the Soviet Union (whose western flank he was to invade without warning in summer 1941). The alliance with Japan after WW2 had started is also a slap in the face to any revisionist who insists Germany did not have any international interests, and was only seeking to secure a future for her own people.
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>>34800996
And speaking of Dunkirk, another revisionist fairy tale is that Hitler halted the Wehrmacht's advance to spare the lives of the British trapped on the beach, as a show of compassion with which he hoped Britain would see reason and accept peace terms. In reality, it was Von Rundstedt and Kluge who ordered the advance halted, primarily because the advancing tanks had overextended themselves, the terrain was marshy, the armor was valuable and still needed for the final assault on France, and Göring had assured Hitler that his Luftwaffe could deal with the stragglers on the beach.

Hitler might have been an admirer of the British people due to their anglo-saxon ancestry. But his "many peace offers" revisionists like to remind us were not worth the paper they were written on given this track record, and Winston Churchill, unlike Joseph Stalin, did not fall for them. Stalin did, and how did history reward him for trusting Hitler? Operation Barbarossa, the largest motorized land invasion in the history of mankind that ended up costing over 20 million Soviet lives, and two poorly sourced novels trying to make a quick buck off people 50 years later claiming Hitler's goal of destroying "Judeo-Bolshevism" was but a pre-emptive strike to an invasion of Europe planned by Stalin. Keep in mind the guy had trouble gaining ground in Finland.

>>34800993
>If you aren't a Nazi you must be a commie
Not an argument
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>>34801024
Finally, let's address the question revisionists ask regarding the hypocrisy of Britain and France, given that they did not declare war on the Soviet Union when she invaded Poland two weeks after Hitler did. Let me begin by saying the Soviet Union was not part of the Allied powers until Operation Barbarossa, so "letting an allied power get away with something" is not the answer. Rather, given that Britain and France had already committed themselves to war with a European superpower and Poland was all but overrun, it would have made little sense to declare war on the largest nation on the planet on top of that as well. A bit like committing to challenging a 6 foot bully to a fist-fight but realizing there's an 8 foot bully nearby beating someone else up as well. In the end, when that bully got attacked by this bully, he was considered a friend until the first bully was brought down. Then a cold war ensued with the surviving bully.

The only legitimate question then, is how Britain and France would have acted, had the opposite been the case: the Soviet Union invading Poland first, and Nazi Germany two weeks later. Would their defense treaty have included guaranteeing Poland's safety from a Soviet attack? The answer is no: there was a legal loop-hole that meant the treaty was mostly tailored to respond to German aggression. The idea of the Soviet Union invading Poland, and nothing happening as a result, and then Hitler invading to take back Danzig, and having Britain and France declare war on him wouldn't have sat well with post-war morality. Good thing for the victors then, that Hitler turned out to be an ideological warmonger after all, and Stalin the cold opportunist, rather than the other way round.
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>>34800866

>be Germany
>create combat outfit full of thugs and convicted criminals
>unit turns out to be an almost comical band of fuckups who were kicked out of every major field command they were assigned

>be Louisiana
>create combat outfit composed of “the lowest scum of the lower Mississippi...adventurous wharf rats, thieves, and outcasts...and bad characters generally”
> the worst men I ever saw…. I understand that they are mostly wharf rats from New Orleans, and Major Wheat is the only man who can do anything with them. They were constantly fighting with each other. They were always ready to fight, and it made little difference to them who they fought.”
>unit turns out to be some of the best troops in the Confederate Army, earning a legendary reputation for being utterly fearless and hard-fighting

How did we get it so right where the Krauts got it so wrong?
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>>34800993

All I see is stormcucks getting eternally BTFO.
You're free to actually refute any of his points, though, there's still time before the thread dies.
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>>34800846
>>34800866
>Tries to hide the distinction between the Waffen SS and the allgemeine SS.
cute
>>34800866
Roger Manvell
>During World War II he worked in the Ministry of Information, creating propaganda films for the British government.
Truly an unbiased source. Anything from the KGB?
>>34800897
>if a nazi uses something its stolen and not fair-use
>>34800955
>Portugal was a participans in the Spanish Civil War as well, they MUST have been warming up for their plans to conquer Europe.
>>34800971
Don't let his 3 postponements of the invasion for negotiations, despite Poland refusing to even receive German messages.
>>34800996
>Hitler allied a friendly nation on the other side of the Communists who wanted to "contain fascism?" Obviously a move for world domination.
>>34801024
>regurgitates commie copypasta
>im a freedom loving amerikan just like you comrades!
>>34801163
He hasn't made any points, he attacked a strawman whose arguments I never presented.
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>>34801151

Is it just that Southern men are superior to German men in all ways, hence why every group of German soldiers to face Southern men in battle, from the Hessians, to Franz Sigel, to the Waffen-SS have had their ass beat hard?
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>>34801290
>Franz Sigel
Amazing how confederates can still lose to an enemy they outnumber by 5,000 and consider it "beating their ass."
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>>34801354

Carthage?

The early Confederate Army wasn't very well organized, especially in Missouri where everyone suspected his neighbor of harboring loyalties to the other side. Not to mention half the Missouri State Guard didn't have weapons at the time.

Point is Sigel had noteworthy success during the war and the rest of his career was one fuckup after another, culminating in his route at New Market by a bunch of schoolboys. After which, Lincoln fired him and replaced him with Phil Sheridan.
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>>34801471
Pea Ridge
To be fair he wasn't so much commanding as stumbling around in a serendipitous way.
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>>34801548

Sam Curtis was the commanding officer at Pea Ridge, Sigel was second in command.

The four Confederate generals the two faced, Earl Van Dorn, Benjamin McCulloch, Sterling Price, and Albert Pike, none of whom were particularly brilliant had an army that already starving and freezing after four days of hard marching and was in little shape to fight. It's a miracle they were able to mount any of attack at all.
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>>34801658
>"only failed in my intentions"
At least the Confederates were optimists.
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>>34801755

My shitposting aside, you should check out "Co. Aytch", Sam Watkins' memoirs on his career as a soldier in the Army of Tennessee. It really shows how the Confederate Army's good fortunes were won by being well fed and well led and how their failures were brought on by starvation sickness, and poor morale caused by excessive disciplinarians like Braxton Bragg.
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>>34801915
>Co. Aytch
Neat, thanks for the recommendation.
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>>34795504
>Oh shit the RAF/USAAF has deletified our air force what should we do with the limited resources we have?
>MAKE MISSILES AND FUEL THEM WITH FOOD
>MAKE EVERYTHING ELSE A BOMBER
>Also here's this design for a tank I made it's big so you know it's good please build
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>>34795830
A: what the other guy said
B: Nazi Germany was trying to carve out their own distinct culture based on "Stop liking what I don't like" and "We wuz yrupoe." What emerged from their beta uprising was all show and no substance, which unfortunately involved pissing off everybody in the world to the point where they all ganged up to beat the shit out of them.
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>>34797541
You see, unlike Germany, the UK had the sense NOT to declare war on the USSR, and to spend several years preparing for war before declaring it. A little bit of planning goes a long way!
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>>34797698
Thanks mate.
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