Why did the US have to be special snowflakes instead of adopting

>inb4 America forces NATO to go full fuckin NATO again with their interim rifle

Calling it now.

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>>34779858
Stuck in tradition and it greased the right palms

>>34779858
because fuck you. We do what we want.

sincerely,

-The United States of America

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>>34779858
What I want to know is why we didn't take a gander at what the Italians were doing and pull an American BM59 instead of going down the T44 route.

Or not giving Harvey's rifle the fuck you and let him continue to tinker with it because that thing was actually way lighter than the Garand and was apparently a bit simpler.

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>>34780352
degenerate americunt

>>34779874
"Milley told lawmakers in late May that the Army does not believe that every soldier needs a 7.62mm rifle. These weapons would be reserved for the Army's most rapid-deployable infantry units."

Expect to see it with Airassault and Airborne units only

Between the imperial system, more specialised stuff like GAAP, and American exceptionalism in general:

Why did the US have to be special snowflakes?

>>34780454
>giving light infantry a long heavy full caliber rifle
What did they mean by this?

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>>34780444
>civilian ROTC Cadets

Because the FAL is shit. It was true then and it is true now.

Also, tooling, manual of arms/familiarity, weight, etc etc etc

>>34780470
Because non-conformity is the most American thing of all.

We are special, we have more rights, more liberties, more freedom in a personal and also socio-economic sense and more weapons than any other society in human history.

Our rights to speak and question our government stand above the legal authority of that goverment. Our rights to arm ourselves and forcibly resist our government stand above the authority of that goverment. DC does not grant us our rights, as is the case in the rest of the world, we remind DC that our homes are full of guns and tell DC where it is and is not allowed to to intrude.

American's are special snowflakes because we are far more individualistic than any other society. Being different is not some scandalous thing here, it is the norm. I will drink coffee in the middle of the night, I will drive miles, walk yards, measure inches, carry pounds, own guns, call the president an orange ape, the congress corrupt shitheads, call for the dismantling and imprisonment of the intelligence apparatus, eat hamburgers and play soccer. And there is nothing anyone can do about it, because I am an American and I am more free from legal chains than anyone else on earth.

Americans are special snowflakes because America is special. Being an American makes you individually special by association. Conformism is not our game and it is the rest of the world that just doesn't get it. It's that very liberty and "special snowflake" lack of restriction in both the personal and economic sense that has made america the wealthiest and most powerful nation on earth. We don't need government approval to address a problem we just solve it, and hopefully create more wealth in the process.

>>34780618
This.

And this is exactly why so much of the world 'hates'* us.

>*by hate I mean they are incredibly jelly and fox and the grape-ish about our inalienable rights. To the point that they feel the need to constantly harp on the negatives of such rights (and there are negatives, like with anything) because they are so upset about the positives to the people from those rights.

>>34780427
This, people forget that the T-44 was a lat minute program when the bugs couldn't be worked out of the Harvey T-25/T-47

>>34779858
308 is overkill and too heavy for killing gooks and brownies

>>34780881
Anon.

The only good kill is overkill.

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>>34780660
Our man Tommy J. was a pretty righteous man, man.

>>34780454
>>34780490
FN SCAR it is.

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>>34780618
THE BILL OF RIGHTS – FULL TEXT
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

>>34780816
Is she okay?

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>>34780618
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

>>34781008
>>34781023

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>>34780618
>>34781008
>>34781023

>>34780454
>Airborne units

At least the army will now be the forefront of cutting edge knee surgery techniques.

>>34779858
Because our industrial capacity wasn't destroyed by a world war, so we didn't need to depend on FN for guns.

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>>34781073
Yet Colt still got cucked by the eternal Belgian.

>>34780470
Because we haven't been destroyed by a war. So we haven't had to rebuild, and therefore change to the standards of foreign manufacturers. Before WW1 almost everyone had their own imperial system.

>>34781105
Well that's Colts fault.

Thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPO5lbFnulE

>>34779858
What is this, battle rifles for ants?

>>34779858
I own both and the Springfield is by far the better of the two. Idk why /k/ has such a hard on for the FAL.

>>34780352
Thiss

>>34781978
I'm guessing it's because of Rhodesia or some other shit

>>34779858
What it came down to between the FAL and M14 was tooling. For some reason, the Army Ordnance Board thought that the M1 Garand's tooling, with some modifications, could be repurposed to produce the M14. That turned out to be impossible.

>>34781978
The fragile one with the bendy op rod that sucks at scope mounting with one of the only barrels longer than the fal? Wow you really do have shit taste. The fal is bad but 555 come on now. You went for a 100% nothing but nostalgia rifle.

>>34779858
what I'm curious about is why didn't the UK use the EM-2, I know churchill cancelled it technically, but couldn't they have used it as something along the lines of the M1 carbine? (for tank or vehicle drivers)? I imagine the US/NATO would be a little less critical of a gun being in such an application.


also: why didn't anyone try with a lighter-load 7.62, designed with "controlled select fire" in mind, did not all FAL's, G3's or M14's have gas-adjustment systems?

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>>34779858

free weapons for everyone!!!
Get a life!!!

Hakuna matata

Because the military, particularly its acquisitions, has always been corrupt as fuck. People act like the absolute hemorrhaging of money in recent years on H&K gimmicks that perform the same or worse to what they are replacing is a new thing, but the story behind the M14 is just as sketchy. The infantry board may as well have been communist plants for all the good they did America.

Simply because of my AMERICAN muh wood n steel, like how they sabotaged the AR15 project but luckily McNamara caught on and straightening the AOB out.

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>>34779858
You can't HK slap neither and HK slapping makes a man.

>>34780618
>>34780660
>>34780963
>>34781008
>>34781023

I am erect with patriotism.

>>34779858
Because rest of NATO=Europe.

And fuck Europe, buncha queers and muslims now.

>>34784076
>why didn't the UK use the EM-2
Because the Yanks decided to swing between .308 and a fucking fox round instead of something more modern and ballistically superior.

>>34780444
>ROTC
well there's ya problem

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>>34781008

>Why does a nation isolated from Europe not conform to Europe's standards
BOY ANON I WONDER

>>34779858
Oh boy don't even start this thing.

British and Belgians dropped .280 because they thought that it would be a compromise - they drop their cartridge, Americans adopt FAL. And the worst is that back in the 30's they wanted to adopt .276 like it was nothing, but somehow, 2 decades later they were dead-set on .30 caliber - forget it though, the most outrageous thing is that they've developed a new cartridge all together. While the idea of shortening .30-06 had its merit, that cartridge already existed - 7.5 French has roughly the same ballistics as .308 while being only very slightly longer(still much shorter than .30-06), but no, gonna adopt yet another cartridge.

>>34784076
>did not all FAL's, G3's or M14's have gas-adjustment systems?
G3 doesn't have gas system at all.

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>>34780926
>overkill
>over kill
>too much kill

With the new ICSR project underway, is think pic related with an adjustable stock, modified gas bloc that has bayonet lug, and a slightly different barrel along the lines of a 1:11.25 chrome lined barrel would be a good thing for longer ranges.

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>>34787636
Dropped my image.

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>>34780618
Holy shit anon I have a freedom boner now

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>>34779858
Never forget the weird mishmash of inch and metric that could have been.

>>34780963
He was a hypocrite and a cunt of the highest order.

>>34780427
It was a LOT simpler.

The '14 never really measured up, only TRW managed to work all the bugs out of the manufacturing processes, and deliver rifles that met spec,even then it was a rather flawed design.

All in all U.S. mall arms development of the era was focused on the '14 being the "one to rule them all", then the SPIW/SALVO.
Neither really worked out, though the SPIW is actually fascinating to study, instead of the facepalming nonsense one finds in the '14's program.

>>34785189
Your country has far more blacks and muslims than my european country :)

>>34787038
>implying there can ever be too much kill
>thus making overkill the perfect amount of kill

>>34782927
> Nostalgia

Which is why it's still issued on a large scale, and why the troops who get them, love them.

Try again Dylan.

>>34779892
what a cootie :^)

>>34780618
I was born here so I'll just say this: Being a retard is not inherently American.

They fucked up, (as usual because it's the government) we ruined small arms development for decades, and now we have shit. You need to accept that we dropped the ball, hell, we dropped the ball with the .30-06 which led to the Garand being adopted which led to the M14.

Friendly reminder that the military-issue .30-06 is deliberately underpowered so the shitty eight-round semi-auto rifle we adopted didn't beat itself apart. We should've went with the Johnson chambered in .276 Pedersen.

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>>34789475
>Dylan
Wait, is that kangaroo nigger here too?

lmao what

Americans do what they want.

US police carried revolvers even long after most police in Europe adopted semi-autos.

Revolvers still carry a significant market in the US even today.

>>34787755
It's so beautiful...so elegant...
Why the FUCK did we have to adopt that POS the M14?
The FAL has potential to be accurized and STAY that way.
The fucking M14 doesn't.
The FAL doesn't have nearly as awful a time in muddy wet or sandy conditions as the M14 does.
It's more modular, has a better system for magazines, and honestly no more expensive to make than the M14/Garand

FUCK.
And we didn't even fix the shit the garland needed fixed, nor did we make it cheaper and more economical.
We just redid the damn thing for the sake of redoing it.

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>>34779858
Because despite USA america land being all about MUH FREEDOM FOR MAH GUNS, they are habitually awful at guns in general.

>were one of the last "western" nations to adopt a bolt action rifle and even when they did it was some shitty Scandinavian rifle that couldnt take stripper clips and was under-powered as fuck compared to the fucking Spaniards who even had enough sense to just buy fucking mausers,
>first reaction by US after said incident was to be literal niggers and rip off mauser to the point they got fucking sued and had to pay money to the same cunts they were fighting in WW1, which they did jack shit in to start with.
>were one of the only nations to have a shitty ass pistol that couldnt even pierce a steel fucking helmet which was only meant to protect against shrapnel
>proceed to use said pistol for 70 something years and act like its a badge of honor for being that stupid.
>Nearly all law enforcement uses 38 revolvers, even up to the 90s some departments had them
>the 90s
>THE
>FUCKING
>90S
>literally hindered european militaries in cartridge development for some spanish round and held a gun to all of europe's throat to use it shortly before adopting an intermediate round no one asked for and is while standardized loaded completely different across all NATO allies and jams like crazy if you mix it up
>Also couldnt even make their own 308 rifles without the stock warping and falling apart even though the belgians offered the contract to make FALs for free in the US, no royalties
>FREE

America is unique in its firearms, in the opposite of a cute quirky way. It's awful yet you idiots pride yourselves in it like everything else, youre too stupid to know the difference in failure and stride.

>>34780618
But the british also carry pounds.

>>34780618
Screen capped for future Americans

WE are NATO. Europeans are useless cunts.

>>34792294
The M14 was more accurate than the FAL and baseline accuracy stays the same unless you do stupid civilian things like bedding the action to the stock (never done in a real military application)

Kalashnikov himself admitted in his correspondence with Edward Ezell that he copped the rotating bolt and cam track from the Garand and incorporated it into his sealed AK system because he knew how reliable it was.

We also did fix quite a few things over the garand. The White self adjusting short stroke piston system on the M14 was a masterstroke that is still replicated today.

Magazines were actually worse on metric FALs. if the tiny front locking tab bends in you run the risk of completely unreliable feeding and magdrops while firing. The M14 had a solid welded on plate for this and the brits fixed this design flaw with L1A1 mags.

The M14 was cheaper to make in America because production lines, forges, tools and dies were already streamlined into making garand type rifles.

>>34795917
force everyone to do our bidding yes

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>>34780618

>>34779858
Because us was obsessed with long range marksmanship and FAL while is RELATIVELY inaccurate.

>>34797054
*while good

>>34780881
>overkill
you cant kill something so its too dead

they just spent the money on garand tooling. So to save money they adopted a rifle that could still be made on that tooling.

FN FAL, AR10, or a G3 would have meant new tooling

>>34788581
not per capita

>>34797076
then use anti material rifles as standard infantry weapons if thats ur philosophy

>>34792370
>implying bolt actions were superior over single action
>implying that copying a working, functional design from the enemy is somehow a bad thing. fucking commies
>implying .45 isn't capable of penetrating a .00012354"thick steel sheet
>implying that .38+P rounds won't kill you just as good as other lead traveling at high speeds
>implying 5.56 isn't the right arm of the free world now, and that all of the issues mentioned have been well ironed out for the last three decades.
>implying we needed shitty foreign guns when we have the god damn Stoner AR models.

>>34781008
SHALL

>>34799666
BE infringed since 1986 and appear to continue to be so for the foreseeable future.

fuck i hate it when someone argument boils down to something that is clearly not true

>>34779858
because congress wanted local jobs and the army wanted a murrican design

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>>34780618
>steal other people's land
>enslave an entire race of people and force them to build your country and produce your wealth
>commit genocide, steal an entire nation, deny millions any rights, and become insanely rich off other people's labor
>"we're rich because of liberty"

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>>34802436
feel free to do literally nothing about it

>>34802436
I don't think indians did jack shit to build the american republic goy

>>34802436
put down Zinn commie

conquest is human history

>>34780444
obama should have been lynched for this

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>>34802592
You can say that now, but within our lifetime we're going to be a minority in this country, and history doesn't forgive or forget.

>>34802717
>conquest is human history
>see pic related

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>>34792029
>Johnson
Fuck that, go with a mostly debugged T25 or T47 in a more traditional stock to satisfy the Old Guard and a 6.5 or 7mm caliber cartridge that's shorter and has a light bullet before it goes the way of the M14 and replaced as a standard rifle by the M16 in a decade.

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>>34802880
no, itll still be my country, just not yours

>>34802880
>anyone who disagrees with me is a nazi
confirmed for idiot

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>>34780618

>>34802671
Well no shit Sherlock, they are in India!

>>34779874

Are there any candidates yet?

>>34780470
This is true:
>>34780618
>>34780660
BUT...

As government grows and individual liberties shrink, as central power increases and regulations abound, this country is slowly killing itself from the inside. Meanwhile, we are inviting in the worst the world has to offer (although to a lesser extent than other countries) because they're breeding at a rate we can't keep up with and we've convinced ourselves that people with no connection to our culture are our future.

The natives of the past couldn't stop us when we conquered this land and made it into the greatest country on Earth. Now we are allowing ourselves to be conquered. We are losing our culture and our way of life. I only hope thay those that conquer us will eventually see the beauty of what this country once stood for and make something like it:
>>34781008
>>34781023

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>>34779858

>Fugg

Just got this in the mail. Can't fucking wait.

>>34779858
Because they thought they could make it cheaply by converting current factories and they thought they could use it to replace the BAR. Neither turned out to be true.

>>34784076
>also: why didn't anyone try with a lighter-load 7.62, designed with "controlled select fire" in mind
Part of the idea of 7.62 was to simplify supply lines, get rid of SMGs, rifles and the BAR and replace them with them all with a single, select fire rifle and have a unified ammo type for everything smaller than the M2. Having 2 types of ammo would have run directly contrary to this idea.