>design a mobile suit that can withstand the fire of most

>>34772005
Why didn't they just issue everyone shiro amada's ball

what the fuck is this bullshit

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>>34772005
Don't the GM ground types use those huge missile pods and bazookas though? Seems like those would help compensate for the crappy machine gun.
Doesn't excuse the lack of Vulcans though.

>>34772039
>on 4chan
>doesn't recognize goondamns

>>>Reddit

>>34772005
It was their first real MS, it was going to have some issues. It did also have a rocket launcher and that larger cannon.

08th, like 0080, tried to be on the more "realistic" side of weaponry and logistics.

While the real world explication for a new GM model is to sell new toys, the in universe is that G models are actually more for testing along side the models that appear in 0080, which culminated into the standard GM model and it's variants. It wasn't as well thought out as later GM models.

Unlike some of the other series, MSes in 0080 and 08th can get fucked by just a few hits, so 60 rounds is pretty decent amount of ammo IMO. I do like that the gun has a fucking useless folding stock.

>mechs

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>>34772005
>/m/ visits /k/

>>34772235
Nah dude that was the ground gundam

>>34772404
those lips fukkkkkkk

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Calm down bro, you gotta work your way up first. You don't go from beetle to GT3 overnight

>>34772577
>completely useless when it runs out of ammo.

Granted this is the wing universe where the only thing that destroys a gundam is Hero using the self destruct

>>34772005
The original Gundam had a total capacity of 7 shots with the beam rifle.
This is feddie MS design in its infancy, feds can also expect stronger logistics support on Earth. No need to carry so much ammo when you can resupply easily.

>>34772618
The other end of that being Sandrock and Deathscythe, for the same reasons.Gundanium is nothing to fuck around with, otherwise you get teenagers destroying carrier groups for laughs and mechanics blowing shit up in stolen MSs

>>34772622

Also, Ground models were used as part of "infantry" (for lack of a better word off the top of my head) teams, meant to support one another. They operate more like tanks, though, instead of infantrymen, so things like 'suppressing fire' aren't really a thing. Their weapons are aimed (by computers), and operate appropriately.

OP might as well be asking why an F16 doesn't carry 100+ missiles

You want your answer, Anon?

Truth is these things are always made by the lowest bidder. Now, I know it sounds dumb to expect creature comforts like A/C when you're talking Mobile Suits but you ever sit inside a MS for 18 hours in the middle of the South-Pacific sweating your balls off waiting for orders that'll probably never come? It's 0080 and they can't put A/C in an MS? They've already got heaters.

These fuckers got so hot that we used to pilot them around with the hatch open just for the cross breeze until some dude in another company got a grenade tossed up right into his cockpit.

Anyway, I'm getting off topic. Basically, they were designed by a committee on a budget. They don't think about these things or if they do they just don't care. Also I guess the industry, especially early war was really just scrapping by so it wasn't until right near the end when we didn't need the shit as bad did we start seeing those sort of common sense additions.

The gear heads in our battalion used to nigger-rig the backpacks to work on the 79G's but it wasn't so much getting them to work, it was getting the backpacks in the first place. We had a about a million tricks for rucking extra ammunition out into the field though.

>>34772622
>stronger logistics support on Earth. No need to carry so much ammo when you can resupply easily.
Not really. Many of their major bases were occupied. A lot of development and resources were made at allied colonies or as seen in 0080, neutral colonies under false pretenses.

The only major bases they had left on earth were in South America and Australia IIRC. That actually makes me wonder how they even organized shit in SEA. The location of 08th doesn't even make sense. They're in SEA, that has volcano, has a big ass desert with a huge crease, fucking snows, and you can travel to china on foot... Where the fuck is this place?

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>>34772682
I was under the impression that the series starts out deep in SEA and ends somewhere around the Himalaya

>>34772712

Not only were they moving, the mission in the desert he's referring too happened in a really far deployed area I thought. It was a special assignment.

>>34772712
hell, it's been a while since I last saw it, like 10 years. Maybe you're right, they do have a big ass moving land ship so they could technically deploy anywhere. The story didn't really make it seem like they were constantly advancing the front lines though, and they were based out of physical base too.

>>34772005
Do you know how long cannon or .50 equipped Spitfires could shoot their guns before running out of ammo? About 12 seconds.

MS combat is generally short and brutal like that. Those Fed weapons with the smaller mags had much better penetration, range, velocity etc. compared to the Zaku MG, which had underpowered rounds designed for use in space against softer targets than a GM.

It should be telling that both the Federation and Zeon's next MG also had small magazines with better bullets.

The unit has better armor, but ultimately it's just a modest buff to survivability. It isn't expected to slog through legions of zeeks. It's got the same role as a GM at the end of the day, but you're more likely to tank some extra shots and live.

Just dropping in to say Seige Zeon.

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>>34772005
>>>/m/

>>34772622
>total capacity of 7 shots with the beam rifle.


Keep in mind that beam rifle was intended to be used primarily against capital ships. That's what made the RX-78 so fearsome, it was a mobile suit with the firepower of a battleship.

>>34772779
>It should be telling that both the Federation and Zeon's next MG also had small magazines with better bullets.

Well, in the case of Zeon that was primarily due to the united maintenance plan. They had to simplify logistics and shit after losing most of their earth bound bases. When you had three different places producing three different types of weapons for your mobile suits, and then you lose two of those places, you kind of need to modify your MSes to use the weapons place 3 makes, and then ramp up place 3's production, or you've just effectively lost 2/3rds of your military.

>>34772779
Count down twelve seconds right now and tell me that isn't enough time to be shooting consistently

>>34772944
That wasn't what made the Gundam fearsome at all. That firepower doesn't mean anything if you can't hit anything with it and bazookas worked fine for shooting down ships. What really set the Gundam apart was the Gundarium armor that was nigh impervious to the standard Zaku armaments along with the learning computer that could log and analyse data with extreme efficacy.

>>34772005

The RGM-79G was never intended to be a full production unit. It was an interim unit built to serve as a testbed for a lot of the tech being developed as a result of Project V. It was an attempt to make a "cheap" Gundam unit based on the RX-79[G] program which was itself an ad-hoc project that was thrown together when Project V kinda fell apart. It's incorporation of Lunar Titanium armor made it far more survivable than any GM unit and it had a reactor powerful enough to support full sized beam weapons.

The Type 37 100mm MG was only in service for a very short period of time anyway. It was a first generation MS scale weapon, something the Feds had no experience with, but it's limitations were quickly recognized and the Federation's mainstay solid slug weapon quickly moved on to a higher velocity 90mm system. Zeon did the same thing late in the war, switching out their old, relatively low velocity 120mm weapons for much more powerful 90mm ones.

>>34772986
But the Federation didn't place much emphasis on soliud slug guns anyway, as their beam tech was progressing at a very fast pace and quickly surpassed anything Zeon had. By the time the fighting had moved back into space, the mainstay weapon for even GM units was the Beam Spray gun, which while inferior in every way to a full sized beam rifle (which the GM s were unable to use due to low reactor output) they still out classed solid slug guns in every way. The only reason that more units used slug guns on Earth was because of production bottlenecks. The Feddies knew beam weapons were the way forward, so they didn't put a lot of work into their slug weapons.

Federation forces also had a large and varied armory to boot. Missile launchers/Bazookas were a far more preferable weapon from MS on MS combat and they also made use of a number of large caliber cannons and specialty weapons. A strong emphasis was also put on CQB, as the beam saber was the quickest and easier way of dispatching any target and Zeon had no real counter to it. Even decades later the humble beam saber would be a staple for MS combat due to it's destructive power and utility.

>>34772975
Which is why the feds mass produced the armor and the LC, and not the beam rifle for use on the GMs...oh wait

And the RX-78 Gundam used lunar titanium, gundarium/gundanium is alt universe shit.

>>34772863
He posted the same thread on /m/, he clearly seems to want /k/'s opinion too.

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real hero of the OYW right here
>your space fleet is kaput, your navy is kaput, giant robots are raining from the sky
>still holds the line for two-thirds of the war

>>34772989
The Beam Spray has a higher output when compaired to the gundams beam rifle actually, the main issue with is was its less than stellar range. GM's are also quite capable of using the Gundams beam rifle, however due to the then difficulty of manufacturing it only a few gm's were equipped with them.

>>34772996
Luna titanium is Gundarium. Gundanium is from Wing. Early MS like the GM ground types got Gundarium armor, later models dropped it because it was too expensive.

Data from the learning computer was used to program the GMs, that's why the White Base went to Jaburo.

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>>34773046
The Type 61 is one of the rare sci-fi tanks where having two cannons is pretty justified.
Zakus are so damn large that one shell hitting them in the leg might not even immediately disable that leg, let alone completely stop the mobile suit from fighting, high fire rate is necessary for fighting MS with 120mm cannons.

Can't find that gif of a Zaku getting wrecked by dozens of Type 61s so have a rare Zaku instead.

>>34773076
You also the the minor benefit that their general opposition is large enough that the minor accuracy issues from having an off centered cannons isn't really an issue

>>34773076
How significant do you think human infantry was in the One Year War? They never really address it .

>>34772005
Because you only need to shoot a Zaku once to turn it into scrap.

>>34773095
Jumping off this note, do you think RPG's and Manpads and shit like that would be effective against Mobile Suits? Javelins?

>>34772235
>>>/mech/

fuck off out of here with your weeaboo gay shit

>>34773116

Theoretically? Yes, but that's because mobile suits don't really work with that much armor, the armor on non vital points would have to be pretty light otherwise you'd have too high of a ground pressure and you'd get bogged down on literally any terrain that isn't straight granite or like, super thick concrete, and the hydrolics and control systems would be incredibly delicate, so even an old ass RPG-7 or some nigger rigged EFP could probably sever some pretty important lines or cables if it scored a solid hit. Javelins would demolish them because of their penetrating power and accuracy. One well placed round could kill the pilot or destroy the command and control systems.

This is why the in universe handwavium has to be so strong just to make the mobile suits make sense.

>>34773116
>>34773132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgPt1730Ls

In-universe they use weirdly named anti-tank missiles to take Zakus down

>>34773137
God damn that zeke machine gun is like a fucking Mortar

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>>34773095
>>34773116
Infantry still play a pretty fundamental role in warfare, mobile suits just BTFO conventional combat vehicles most of the time, so the One Year War is mostly infantry+transport vehicles, MS, and spaceships.

Mobile suits seem to have armor comparable to modern tanks, MS Igloo shows Federation soldiers killing a Zaku II with standard wire guided ATGMs, and 08th MS team shows guerrillas having success with using shoulder fired rockets against weak spots.

Which begs the question of why the federation would use tank cannons instead of removing them and mounting ATGMs Sherman Calliope style on the turret and launching a dozen of them into a mobile suit's torso.

>>34773116
In 08th MS Team, a bunch of gooks take out a zaku with a rocket to an open cockpit, and another is prevented from jumping when its backpack is taken out by an ATGM, after which it is picked off from afar. A third is taken down with a rocket to the hip joint from below and two rockets to the cockpit. Needless to say, don't occupy villages in Southeast Asia with giant robots.

>>34773168
I would watch the shit out of a OYW series shown from an infantry perspective.

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What does /k/ think of the Dendrobium ?

>>34773169
Well I mean never fight a land war in Asia, anon.

>>34773176
Gundam needs more nuclear weapons.

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>>34773168
They did, it's just that since it wasn't flashy or cool like MS designs or even the default double-barrel tank the Feds used, nobody focused on it. As a general rule of thumb, if you can't turn it into a toy or model kit, it's probably not going to get much attention.

>>34773132
Correct my if i'm wrong but dont jav's need radiowaves in order to lock on properly? If thats the case then they have some problems since Mobile Suits power plants actively destroy radio waves by simply running

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>>34773189
B-But my Antarctic treaty

>>34773196
>ATGMs
>posts anti-air vehicle

Is this bait?

So I know that Mobile Suits are nuclear fueled, so if one blows up would basically be the same as, like, Hiroshima or Nagasaki should a Mobile Suit explode in a populated area?

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>>34773172
it would indeed be the tits

>>34773168
The issues start once Zeon gets units of Doms on the field. The Gorillas in 8th had the advantage of working in a jungle (And even then they can easily get fucked up by a squad of zaku's as an episode showed). But in flatter terrain or urban environments Doms are going to be a huge problem due to their speed and much thicker armor that covers their weaker spots much better than Zaku's do

>>34773206
Nuclear reactors don't work that way, they'd melt, burn a hole in the ground, cook anything nearby, and release radiation.

Even nuclear bombs are extremely unlikely to detonate in a nuclear explosion if you shoot them, shooting them or blowing them up with another explosive is actually a viable method for disabling nukes if there aren't more careful options.

But they still explode in the show because it looks cooler, the explosions seem to be smaller than a Davy Crockett though.

>>34773206
Yes and no, A mobile suit's generator is relatively stable and generally wont go critical from conventional arms fire such as missiles and machine guns. The issue is that when the power plant is his by a beam weapon it goes critical and explodes with the force of a small nuke, though due to the reactions I dont think there is a radioactive fallout. So on earth or in colonys Ms kills tend to be accomplished by crippling the suit by blowing off limbs or cockpit shots. In space the explosions are less of an issue

>>34772005
>Why did the feddies design an MS with the staying power of the RGM-79G but then arm it with so little ammo? What type of missions did they plan with this?
it was a zerg rush ms. it had a very short life expectancy, it was supposed to win by overwhelming numbers
also, YOU HAVE YOUR OWN BOARD, /m/!!

>>34772404
saved

>>34773172
igloo had some nice takes on it
it was fucking hell for fed infantry, no one expected them to survive a encounter with the enemy, at all, it was attack, maybe disable or kill a enemy, then die anyway.wash, rinse, repeat

>>34773209
>firing from a postion with the tube that close to the ground
I guess they're probably not expecting to survive anyway, but that seems like a great way to be sure of it.

>>34773242
they explode due to some minovsky particle compression or something, still the reactors are very armored, it was quite rare to happen

>>34773378
who knows maybe soft launch technology gets really good in the future

>>34773401
>>34773378
both are right

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>>34773352
/m/ sucks these days, nothing but tokufags, waifuposting and dainty fairy mecha

Can't we stay? We can talk about upscaled panfed ARs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfgPt1730Ls
poor infantry
they always get the shitty end of the stick

>>34773201

What? No. The Javelin uses F&F IR homing.

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>>34773076

this 1?

>>34772577

>yfw heavy arms was originally a design from G Gundam for Gundam America

>>34772996
>>34772986
>he we got this great armor
>let's spend the rest of the war building GMs with shit armor instead

>>34773131
>>34772863
>>34773039
There is a major difference in the way /k/ discusses gundam and /m/ talks about gundam. /k/ talks about it from a military, logistics, and combat angle. /m/ talks about waifus in space and shit

>>34773769
We talk about the MS's aesthetics and the homo erotic themes.

>>34773131
It's "mecha" you illiterate fuck.

>>34773131
better than the faggoty star wars spa,

dude... /m/

>>34773069
Right and wrong. It is not the same compound, and is orders of magnitude weaker than the wing universe magic bullshit. They renamed lunar titanium after the war in a series decision to pander. Doesn't make it the same substance just because it shares a namesake retroactively.

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>>34773242
Oh an excuse to post general porn stache, thanks anon. Because that's exactly how they work in gundam, blame the zeeks they designed the damn things.

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>>34773046
>>34773076
>enemy shows up from space in giant bipedal war machines FAR bigger than your kit
>somehow get the idea that investing in the same is a good idea
>not just buiding a tank twice or thrice as big as the tank already in use with a huge fuckoff gun and nuking them from miles away

Someone in a thread on /m/ once made a joke that if the Germans were in Pacific Rim, they'd have looked at the proposed Jaeger plans, laughed heartily, then shown up to the shore in a gigantic panzer looking like a Jagdpanther got upscaled to Gojira size and used the same plasma beams like Gypsy Danger had on it to completely obliterate-fuck the kaijus. I feel like this is exactly what would happen if Zaku'd make landfall on Earth, and we'd have true land-battleships duking it the fuck out.

>>34773168
>Which begs the question of why the federation would use tank cannons instead of removing them and mounting ATGMs Sherman Calliope style on the turret and launching a dozen of them into a mobile suit's torso.

There's a couple of little jeep/hummv looking wheeled vehicles with like 8 wire guided missiles on the back in the first episode of the original MSG but they're not too useful because they're caught by surprise and everyone needs to get blown up for the show to happen.

>>34774198
>and nuking them from miles away
You realize that would be a pretty hefty losing proposition for the feds right? By that point they already lost space, and were fighting an enemy entirely capable of scrubbing the surface of all life and making every feddie loyal colony into a repeat of side 5.

Threatening zeon with nukes at the beginning of the war is pretty analogous to the current north korean situation, expect with a much greater risk of an uninhabitable planet, what with one side not living on earth.

You also have to remember that mobile suits due to space magic were originally a longer operational time replacement for space fighters. Don't ask questions about that bit, just accept it.

>>34774271
I was being hyperbolic, I meant nuking as in blasting the mech in the face with a 300-odd millimeter cannon on a supertank from ten miles away

>>34774290
But how is that going to get you an orbital beachhead with which you can retake space? Can't just have tanks flying around on rockets.
(also the guntank's canonical stats have its shells going sub orbital)

>>34773761
>hey we could build thousands of GMs with this super expensive quality armor that could save their lives OR use this other cheaper armor, much shittier and vulnerable AF that will probably turn the GM in a walking coffin, but hey its less than half the cost of the good stuff yo!
cause grunts lives don't matter

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>>34772005
The avalible arms for the Ground GM were:
100mm Machinegun, a 90mm Bullpup MG, a 180mm cannon, a beam rifle with underslung rocket launcher, 6 tube missile launcher, 380mm hyper bazooka, net gun, and 2 kinds of shields. That all sounds reasonably varied and potent.

they also did retain the backpack rack system at least on paper but idk if that's ever shown in anything other than one of the video games

>>34774316
War never changes.

>>34774316
They started stripping that shitty armor off by the end of the war anyway. Got to the point where nothing was surviving a direct hit, so you might as well focus on the speed necessary to avoid a solid lock. Just look at what that super awesome double thick rick dom armor does against a beam weapon. Fuck all.

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>>34773046

>>34773201
>Mobile Suits power plants actively destroy radio waves by simply running

Spotted the IBO fag.

>>34773201
Mobile suits can block radio waves by emitting minovsky particles, not just by operating.

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>>34774353
thats why mobile armor has those anti beam weapon systems.
but lets talk about grunts and how the geara zulu is the perfect grunt and not a nazi at all

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>>34774329
GM[G] truly is the most aesthic

>>34774363
mynovsky fuggin particles, thats how they work

>>34774374
Minovsky particles are emited as a byproduct of the super compact nuclear and nuclear fusion reactors that power up the MS.

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How about the "I'm not even sure quantum works that way" OO gundam

>>34774405
jokes at you no one/everyone knows how quantum physics works

>>34774383
Yeah, but in UC they stay in the reactor. You have to actively spread them for them to work.
The Ahab reactors in IBO are what automatically jam radar no matter what.

>>34774393
Yes, but they aren't always emitting them and mostly recycle the particles back into the reactor.

>>34772039
Faggot

>>34774422
some particles leak from earlier models, later models do it by design
but forget that, nice triple dubs

>>34772989
Well, that and beam weapons caused reactor explosions, not exactly a desirable result planetside most of the time.

>>34773242
Minovsky reactors are fusion systems that use minovsky particles as a self-generated containment. Beam weapons breach that.

>>34773206
>>34773242
>>34773245
IIRC the explanation is that they use magic particles to shield and contain the plasma, allowing them to compact the reactor to small enough sizes to fit into the suits. If struck by a beam weapon, which is made of magic particles related to the aforementioned magic particles, they get scattered, meaning that fusion reaction is no longer being contained in place nor its radiation shielded, resulting in explosions.
It's clear in some series the writers don't know how nuclear weapons differ from reactors and treat the two the same, but that was supposed to be the excuse for why stuff blows up when it's shot.

Also there could be some interaction between the energy of the beam weapons themselves having enough energy to trigger fusion to explain why they can detonate nuclear warheads by shooting them. I don't know, writers do what they want.

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>>34774081
Gundarium with an R is the renamed luna titanium.
Gundanium with an N is the magic unbreakable armor from wing.
Although there is a small easter egg in wing, when looking at the plans for one of the suits the gundanium is referred to as gundarium theta.

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>>34775324
>provide spotting for a giant deathray to wipe out 3/4 of the remaining zeek fleet
>don't even get a model kit
awacs don't get enough credit

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>>34775390
I think there was a conversion kit floating around for it. Would still kill multiple famous politicians for a MG

>>34775436
Good luck with that, there isn't even a MG of the regular Jegan. Despite it being the main federation grunt suit for 3 series now.

>>34773164

Pretty much, it's a 120mm low-velocity gun. Probably packs one hell of an HE or HEAT payload.

>>34772668
But at least you get pension for the rest of your life for serving and surviving The War, right?

I don't know why they bothered introducing machine cannons for the GMs. the original series GMs all had beam weapons.

>>34776346
nope
most bureaucratic structure got fucked by war and corruption, odd are that you will lost your pension and job, unless you are on a combatant unit suppressing remnants, therefore or you fight or you go be unemployed
neon zeon takes better care of their soldiers, but barely

>>34776592
Stop gap weapons til R and D and prodution finished in mass produced beam guns.

Also gotta sell new model kits.

>>34775324
>>34775390
whats this from?

>>34777474

Gundam Unicorn I think.

>>34775466
I read once that the 120mm caliber is actually a misnomer; it's actually a 120mm casing necked down to 76mm. Is that true? Anyone with the Gendum knowledge to confirm or refute that?

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>>34777563
>>34775466
I've got this, not sure what the source is, I remember finding it with a bunch of other info about UC weapons.

>>34777490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttpmR2lGOjs&t=134s

>>34777563
>>34777638
This guy's chart (Thanks, Anon) would seem to confirm that. Though now I have some question as to whether the 105mm cartridge on the MS-05 rifle isn't also a misnomer and maybe they're both necked down to 76mm?

This all seems like a quartermaster's nightmare, though I suppose that fits with Zeke hardware having virtually no interchangeability.

>>34777638
Thanks my dude.
>>34778192
Looking at the shells side by side, the shell and casing of the 105mm both seem to be smaller than those of the 120mm. Maybe the guy I heard the bit about the 76mm shell diameter from was wrong?

I still can't parse what this means though:
>In order to use the same operating system as the 105mm machine gun, the straight case allowed a short stroke of the weapon, with the warhead attached by a combustible skirt.

>>34778192
The sad part is they only got around to rectifying that shit durring the last 2 months of the war, after their ground occupation failed and they had 3 main line suits that all required different parts and had different control schemes

>>34773137
>>34773424
>send some ATGM platoon to delay the enemy
>dont equip them with additional weaponry like the m-72 law style weapons that we seen in 08th ms team.

This is just silly, the only reason why they all died in the end was because the ATGM were the only weapons they had to fight with and the newbie squad fucked up. There is no reason at all to not equip the platoon with additional weaponry like single use rocket launchers (that we see in the 08th ms team) to remove the vulnerability during reloading or at close range. One of the zakus even used his war axe to kill the rookie squad and it happend because the rookie squad had no additonal weaponry to use and they were in the middle of relocating.

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>>34778536
pic related

>>34778536
I don't think those law style launchers were anti mobile suit weapons any more than a real m72 is an anti tank weapon. Plus the main weapons they were using were guided and theoretically had a much greater range. And every missile has to be carried, those guided ones were big enough to require quite a large amount of manpower.
It's not worth it if you ask me.

It's like saying javelin teams should carry at4s to shoot while the gunner reloads/reacquires.

>>34778536
It's entirely possible that the M-72 style rockets Shiro was using were a late-war development. This is all supposition on my part, but EF Ground Forces see to have been at least 100 years removed from any combat outside of riot suppression or counterinsurgencies. I imagine disposable infantry weapons being one of the first things the bureaucrats axed as peacetime stretched.

>>34778718
When you are forced to engage below 1800 meters due to particles and shit then the standof capabilities are gone. A Zaku well above 1800 meters was able to engage them and kill one AT squad while spraying and praying at the general area.

Think about it. The squad leader carry 1 rocket and his assistant carry 1 rocket, the machine gunner carry 2 rockets with 2 more in the car. There is literally no reason for the machine gunner to even carry his gun since zeon zakus cannot into combined arms so he alone could carry two rockets and none of the men are weaing flak jackets with rifle plates inside. The M-72 LAW has a effective range of 200 meters or so against tank sized targets, Zakus are well above that so you could easily extended to 400 meters.

You have each squad send their machine gunner 200 meters foward of the launchers position and have them dig a foxhole and hide in it with a camo net over (assuming they had enough time) so to extend the effective range you could engage the zakus.

>It's like saying javelin teams should carry at4s to shoot while the gunner reloads/reacquires.
Well if they were sent on a suicide mission it might be viable to give some few extra minutes for the people behind to run away.

But im just being an armchair general watching japanese CGI men fighting CGI robots so I could still be wrong.

>>34778777
Could be possible.

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>>34773769
Except there is no military, logistics, and combat angle. It's a pipedream escape fantasy by a police state filled with radioactive escapists.
>b-but, magic handwavium technology in the future will make it viable!!!
No, it fucking won't. It's inferior as a concept, and no technological advance will make up for that. Any sort of scientific breakthrough will just make conventional designs exponentially better and increase the powergap between it and shitty weeb bots tenfold.

This is not a thread about weapons, this is a thread about a shit fucking genre of absolute shit and the retards who love it.

>>34778933
kys, if we can have star wars roleplaying threads we can talk about gundums.

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>>34773205
Not the guy you are replying to but here.

Also remember that the MS was a secret weapon for Zeon, the feds had no idea they had them until the Battle of Loum, which was several weeks into the war. The Feds were equipped to fight a conventional war.

>>34778976
Are mobile suits something everyone can have? No

Are blaster pistols anyone can have? Yes

Are guns anyone can have )? Yes

Thing about star wars is that everyone in the west knows about it unlike gundam which is to the plebians eye just child cartoons. How do you even roleplay in gundam threads /k/ style?

>if we can X then we should Y
Not how it works sadly, gundam aint that popular that /k/ knows about it enough to roleplay. The worst part is that gundam have spawned "what if mechs in IRl military" threads which are nothing but cancer like "modern battleship" threads.

>>34779162
>Are blaster pistols anyone can have? Yes
Blaster pistols don't exist in real life.
And even if they did, that has no bearing on Star Wars rp threads, considering people talk about AT-ST's and AT-AT's all the damn time.

>>34778932
The zaku during that scene was still over a kilometer away. Even assuming the laws could penetrate it, that's well beyond any hope of hitting something, plus you are suggesting they try to hit a target with an unguided rocket that they missed using guided missiles.

If you want to game the system you could have all of them not bring guns because there weren't any infantry in that situation. This is just highlighting how badly written the combat is in gundam though, case in point: the zaku leisurely strolling through a battlefield beyond los of his unit.

>>34779280
>Blaster pistols don't exist in real life.
I was talking about it in star wars verse hence why I talked about mobile suits.
>And even if they did, that has no bearing on Star Wars rp threads, considering people talk about AT-ST's and AT-AT's all the damn time.
You missed all the hundred
>Hey /k/, what blaster should I buy?
People usually start threads with blasters talk and most still talk about blasters or go into how they served in the empire etc and how shitty it is on some planets etc.

In the end more people on /k/ know about star wars then gundam making it easy to larp in star wars threads compared to gundam. Gundam threads also dont really belong here since there is a board specifically made for gundam.

>>34779300
Better then having a zaku casually walk up with a warhammer and kill you and unguided weapons get more effective the closer they get the zaku should not even be able to dodge guided missiles. But on a side note

Why did the Zaku that came in to assist even close the distance? If ATGM only work at certain distance would it not make sense for zaku "2" to cover zaku "1" while it runs back getting out of the effective ATGM range instead of having both trying to close the distance to the ATGM team? What makes the whole scene even worse is that Zaku "3" which is hiding nearby pretty much saw everything happen with no care at all to intervene. Unless it was actually walking around in the tunnels below it makes so sense for it to just hide till the main character have his angry victory speech at the end.

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>>34774376
Most aesthetic GM. EZ8 is more aesthetic.

I will give you GM(G) is more aesthetic than the ground Gundm or really any other gundam other than EZ8

>>34777490
In Gundam unicorn there is one retard who built a mobile suit, for space combat, with no thrusters or ranged weapons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUVDvW7YP1c

>>34779162
Gundams are light Jet fighters and we literally have f35 threads all the god damn time


Also mod seems to think it is fine

>>34779653
>>34779653
>f35 threads all the god damn time
And? Are you a chink that think stealth is a meme or something?

>Also mod seems to think it is fine
Mods act after the users and rules. If enough people report this thread along with openly showing their disgust the thread is kill. Mods also have their own will and have targed nuclear weapons threads since it is not "/k/ related but /pol/" in the past.

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>>34772618
To be fair, it was protracted battle against incredibly well-armored suits that rivaled the Gundams in sheer toughness. Never mind the Gundams' intentions were to not kill the enemy pilots. That being said, I think Glory of the Losers might add in another retcon and add more shit to Heavyarms Kai like it did with Altron and Deathscythe Hell.

>>34779716
Just hide the thread then if you are so fucking upset at other people having fun. What are we even going to knock off the board anyway? The guy asking if oiling his bullets will give him more stopping power?

>>34779778
Im just telling you the truth kiddo so calm your projection. If you cant handle that then this board aint for you.

>>34779579
Neo Zeon fought with what it had. The Sturm Galluss you are referencing is a striped down version of the Galluss-J optomized for clore range fighting. The Galluss-J was originally produced as a close range brawler for urban fighting for Neo Zeon's planned invasion of Earth, the unit was never meant for space combat.

During the events of Gundam Unicorn, Neo Zeon throws everything it has into battle, even super old units that were left over from the OYW. Then there are units like the Dra-C that were literally cobbled together from scrap and sent to fight.

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>>34779519
And was the result of having to do an almost total rebuild at battalion level. On another they just used a GM head.

>>34780030
The Shiro managed to fuck his gundam much worse than Karen did. The only real damage to Karan's was the head and the cockpit door

>>34779934
The amount of shit the sleeves had access to is bonkers, you had gaza's, geara's, a Zaku 3, Bawoo's, Dresians, Hizacks, Marisais, Doven wolfs, Quesses old Jagd Doga complete with a newtype.

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>>34779867
>complains about projection
the irony is palpable, and so is your idiocy

>>34780280
I can feel the salt from here.

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>>34779653
>Gundams are light Jet fighters
Wrong show

>>34779456
Wee Woo we've got the play police here. Wee Woo

>>34780392
Is Muv Luv worth getting into?

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>>34780392
Also wrong show.
>>34780401
Yes.

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>>34780397
>(You)
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>>34780401
Sure but you have to take a look into the VN's. The animes are pretty bad.

>>34780407
Macross got such god tier designs. How can other shows compete?

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>>34780452
Combine a great mecha designer with planefaggotry autism.

>>34780223
I really liked the cameo they gave all the prototype Jaburo assault suits.

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>>34780701
>Kar98k
>Bore size: 75mm
>Range at Sea Level: 7500m
>55.6mm

>>34780676
God, that was the coolest gun in Gundam 0080

Too bad those Cold Climate GM Type-C's never got a MG and they all fucking jobbed it on the defense except for that one guy defending the transport

>>34780689
>>34780711
>>34780723
>Yashima Heavy Industry
>The 08th MS team was armed by Mirai's dad.

>>34780657
>120 rounds
how?

>>34780689
The wiki says 20 rounds, but if it holds 28 that is 24 extra rounds and 84 rounds seems like a decent battle load for a ground GM

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>>34781587
the box magazine is larger than the picture lets on

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>>34779579
Jegans are the coolest fucking thing ever.

>>34781663
rip Jeganbro ;_;7
A true Federation Hero

>>34778933
>>34779162
>People who like Star Wars are more tolerible because Star Wars is more "known" than Gundam


Please actually kill yourself for such retarded logic.

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>>34773168
>yfw charge in after a Guntank breach

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dude what if we like got all our hottest soldiers and made them wear bikinis to distract the traumatized 12 year old piloting a giant war machine lmao

>>34781847
Then why are star wars threads accepted compared to gundam threads?

>>34781999
Some people have an irrational hatred for weebshit.

>>34781990
>yfw x-com like old old 1993 x-com has a bikini girl mod that is allegedly really good and adds a lot of depth and fun to the game

>>34781990
Jacked off the manga version of that scene so much.

>>34782136
It's called X-Pirates, if I recall correctly. It's an okay mod if you're into that, and committing piracy against aliens and other factions on an alien occupied Earth, ala Half Life 2.

>>34782236
>not being into pirates

What are you gay?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DhGRHcJSrw

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The rx 79 gm was meant to be the mass produced warhorse of the efsf. Something that took the data of the rx-78-2 gundam and supplemented it with cheap and cost effective measures. It is meant to be a faceless legion that could supplant the over designed machines zeon was exhausting its war resources on.... cheap design and massive numbers it's what wins wars... also a pension for keeping the pilot alive so they could live to fight another day and gain experience was something zeon scarcely considered... which bit them in ass as feddie pilots were outliving zeon pilots due to the invention of the core block system.

I'd propose something simple... something dated. The rx 79 gm is a marvel of a mobile suit no doubt, but it was cost effective measure to bankrupt zeon of resources during the one year war... and while effective it wasn't perfect. Sacrifices were made, but if we jump back in time to the start of the one year war I think we'll find the ultimate Zeke crusher.

The rx 78-1 was not the power house of the original "white devil" rx-78-2 but it got the job done. Better still it was designed with aquatic and terrestrial warfare in mind... covering zeon's ware efforts on two fronts before they set foot on earth.

This personal design reflects that ingenuity and savagery...

The Rx-78-1 Local (T) type
Designation: Marine Special Forces and terrestrial operations.

Equipment: 1 standard 100 mm machine gun with 2 extra magazines

One prototype Luna titanium shield meant for defense and offense with beam sabers bracers/ chargers

Two beam sabers effective in close and mid range combat scenarios that overpowered zeon heat weaponry and was charged by the suits monofsky particle generator.

And for visual aid a custom build of one I did as it is often an overlooked gem of the efsf that led to project victory

>>34773095
if it weren't for plot bullshit White Base would have been destroyed by Ramba Ral when he raided the Ship

>>34782957
If by plot bullshit you mean Ramba Ral having more character beyond moustache twirling saturday morning cartoon villain. He hesitated because until he actually boarded Whitebase, he didn't know that there were children onboard. As loyal as he was to the zeon cause, he drew the line at killing toddlers.

>>34772005
Gundams are a retarded concept anyways.

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>>34781663
>Jegans are the coolest fucking thing ever.
That's not the operator Acguy

>>34782971
How did that go down in the novels? Heard it changed some plots points.

>>34773378
I'm expecting backblast to be not too much of an issue when the enemy is basically a bipedal nuclear fusion reactor holding an automatic anti-aircraft gun as a basic armament.

>>34781999
Cause muh nostalgia or some shit, but banning one over the other along the same guidelines is stupid since both are equally as based in fiction.

>>34782572
Marine warfare only became commonplace after Zeon captured and reconstructed California Base, so building a Marine type wasn't even on the radar, even the RX-78-2 had mild aquatic capabilities.

>>34783149
The Feds actually made an aquatic Gundam, the Waterproof Gundam. It never performed very well against the Zeon units. Then the OYW ended and it was relegated to back line duties until the Sleeves showed up and kicked its shit in.

The feds pretty much just gave up developing their own aquatic units after the OYW. The Marine Hizack that the Feds replaced the Aqua GM with was literally just a repainted Zaku Marine Type.

>>34773900
Mecha is a jap term you weeb use mech or robot.

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>>34783200
How dare you insinuate that such a pure federation mobile suit was based on such a filthy zeonic grunt design. Sieg....I mean glory to the federation.

>>34774303
Not if you have a BOLO tank

>>34783226
God I hate the Hizack, just looking at it makes my angry. HOW THE FLYING FUCK DO YOU FUCK UP SO HARD THAT YOU CANT HAVE A FULL BEAM LOADOUT 7 GOD DAMN YEARS AFTER THE OYW, A FIRST PRODUCTION GM CAN DO THAT, A FUCKING GELGOOG CAN DO THAT. BUT NO YOU ZEONIC FUCKUPS CANT EVEN MAKE A MOBILE SUIT PROPERLY DESPITE MAKING THE GELGOOGS ALMOST A FUCKING DECADE AGO

>>34783225
Mech comes from mecha, which comes from mechanical, mecha isn't a weeb word, it's just the original, mech is the retarded westaboo version.

>>34782957
>>34782971
There was also the fact that he had no idea that Sayla was on board and immediately called off the attack when he found out, but by then it was too late to really do anything else. I will say though that I think capture would have been the better option for him. He was smart and resilient and could have bided his time to escape at some later point.

Technically it was before California base... acorrding to origin. Basically zeon was wiping the floor with the efsf in terms of mobile suit design. Zeon having basically blown away all competition with the ms 01 prototype. It wasn't until they basically cornered the market on mobile suit technology and making zeon an economic powerhouse with its construction contracts that the efsf started taking mobile suit development seriously... i.e. Stop producing the basic ball ms and teaming with a A.E to produce mobile suits.....

However there were a lot of failures like the first guncannon... but that failure led to the development of the rx-78 series which had water combat in mind as well as terrestrial warfare... since the efsf had thought the zeon would try and pull some sort of an attack... but limited time to develop and no sure fire template to work from all they really had was a series of prototypes before operation British and the invasion began...but then Again that was an incomplete system as well... as mentioned numerous times by our posters... they were all working mini nuke power plants... it wasn't until the rx-78-2 and rx 79 gm that had that little core block fighter and eject button that really turned the tied. It all boils down to how many soilders you have that can operate the damn thing and gain enough experience to teach/ lead the next line of grunts.... zeon had too many dead pilots and no stable system of mobile suit development...

>>34783323
The Hizack could use beam weapons, but like the GM it was limited by reactor output. There was also a cost factor to consider. After the war, the Feddies captured all of Zeon's Zaku production facilities on the moon and Anaheim absorbs the Zonic Company so now you have all the guys who made the Zaku with all the facilities to build the Zaku all working for the Federation. Hell, besides for the GM II, the Federation switched over to use almost all Zeonic derived suit designs after the OYW because of how much better they were in general. The Hizack is a case of taking a good proven chassis from one source and sticking a better engine in it from another; it's Zaku externals with GM internals.

As for the Gelgoog, it wasn't adopted in any form because it was already obsolete compared to the Galbaldy, which the Federation DID adopt.

I also agree on Ral, he was a beast of a pilot that was around since the start... but he was never given the proper tools to succeed... don't get me wrong the gouf is probably my favorite suit from zeon but if Ral had the Doms he requested... white base would be toast... it was only because of that and the rx-72's adapting system that amarou was able to stop Ral, and even then it was his resilience to not kill kids that left him to take his life to hopedully slow down white base.

>>34783388
>>34782572
The RGM-79 never used the Core Block system. In fact it was specifically omitted from the design because it was considered too complex and expensive for the mass produced suit. The Core Block was primarily intended to keep the Learning Computer safe in the X-series suits and was seen as unneeded for what was essentially a mass attack unit that was expected to take heavy casualties.

Technically yes, but the space units had two different types some were fighters with a mobile suit inside and others were mini ejection units taken from the core block.... like gms in thunderbolt which are 79's if I'm not mistaken. Land units didn't have that save for aqua gms you're right... Point being the federation had a higher priority on keeping the pilot alive over anything else... even if it meant throwing children into a war machine blender set to puree...

>>34783436
The exact opposite was true, the Federation had very little regard for it's pilots. The unit you are referring to is the RGM-79 Custom, which were a very limited run of suits built using left over Core Block parts from Project V.

The Federation had a HUGE population advantage and used it too their full effect. Pound for pound, the Zaku series is a better combat machine then the GM, but the Federation could churn them out at a ridiculous rate and they used that fact to literally drown Zeon in bodies using human wave attacks. Hell, in 08th there is a Feddie general who literally suggests that they disable all the safety features on their GM reactor units and flood the Zeonic base with units in the hope that one will get destroyed and it's reactor will blow the whole mountain base to bits.

>>34783397
Oh I know, but the fact still remains that the feds had the Act Zaku, GM II, and Galbaldy filling out their main line forces, along side titans shit like the GM Quels and leftover GM customs from the interyears. The Hizack was literally a AE cash grab scheme riding the hype that was the zaku. While yes adopting panoramic cockpits for the Galbaldy and Act would of been a pain in the ass the GM II came with it standard and unlike the Hizack, it could equipped a beam rifle and a beam saber while still enjoying all the part cross compatibility that the GM family shares. the Hizack was over produced and ultimately a waste as most of them get sold off to Zeon anyway, which again ultimately end up being fielded by the various Zeon upshoots. The Feds and Titans could of easily skipped over the Hizack for the Marasai and kept on trucking with the GM Quels.

>>34773605
yes but without the garbage

>>34783562
There's a lead up to it with the Zaku chasing something too.

>>34783534
The Quel really was a snowflake unit though. It was just a stripped down GM Custom with a fancy color scheme that the Titans used because they had to be different. The Hizack was also the first suit equipped with the panoramic cockpit, a feature that was used to upgrade the Gm to the GM II. Otherwise, the GM II is basically the exact same as the base GM except for a negligible increase in reactor output. The GM was primarily produced on Earth, while the Hizack was produced on the moon, where the production facilities already existed. Again, I think it's a case of "we have it so we might as well use it"

The Marasai was based on the Hizack anyway, and was meant for use by AEUG. Anaheim only gave the suit to the Titans to keep from getting their asses reamed by them by playing it off as a secret surprise from them to show support and to cover the fact that they were secretly designing better suits for the enemy.

So I think the Hizack is better then the GM II, and it was a breeze to produce so they made a lot of them until something substantially better came along.

Because autistic children pilots don't miss therefore don't need capacity.

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>>34783397
>Hell, besides for the GM II, the Federation switched over to use almost all Zeonic derived suit designs after the OYW because of how much better they were in general.

What the fuck? The only thing that's directly derived from Zeon tech is psycommu technology, everything else is in-house or Anaheim developed.

>>34783671
Where do you think all the MS designers and scientists went after the OYW? It's stated in multiple sources that AE took them all in. Up until 0083, most of the units the Federation used be based on or slight tweaks of Zeonic designs, with the exception of the GM and various experimental Gundam units.

The mainstay Federation suits used after the OYW were the GM II, Hizack (based on the Zaku Kai), and the Galbaldy-beta (an upgrade from the -alpha build by Zeon during the war). The Federation also made great use of older Zaku units for training and garrison duty.

Even the Marasai clearly has Zeonic influence in the design as do many other AE suits built in the 80s.

Best mecha thread in a long while

I understand board rules but they are talking weapons. And /m/ fucking sucks, outside of here this thread, there's a better chance of decent conversation to be had with a bag of sand, or /a/ even.

>>34783763
Why do people keep saying /m/ sucks? What's wrong with the board made for mecha?

>>34783768
Went to shit with crossshitposters from /a/ and /pol/, something like that, everything is hated on and there are no good threads without someone shitting on everything wasting post limits, and janitormods are useless, nobody good is ever chosen. Even /m/'s gundam model thread is super shit too unfortunately. Better /m/ related threads can be had in /a/ nowadays.

>>34772005
The real weapons are the beam sabers, everything else is basically secondary.

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post your favorite bigmans

no fairy fgt ms allowed

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>Fast enough to keep up with the Unicorn and other Gundam types
>Designed to hunt Newtypes
>Weapon focused on lower power but more control
>Self-charging powerpacks for the weapon
>Can mount shield on the back
>Multiple different configurations (Cannon, Striker, EWAC)
>Uses a Space SCAR

It's a pity they were so underutilized in Unicorn.

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>>34783984
>giant mech with a space-SCAR that has rails on it
>has an eotech on the top rail
>foregrip underneath
>a fucking suppressor
They were so fucking tacticool, I love them.

Oh yeah, and then there was the ECOAS custom Jegan with a pistol and knife on the shoulder.

>>34783984
They were actually designed to take on targets OTHER than Newtypes. They were escort units for the Unicorn, since the NTD had a limited window of operation. They were supposed to clear the way for the Unicorn to take on the real threats so that it didn't have to waste time clearing out lesser threats.

And while I agree that they were underused, you have to figure that the Unicorn's deployment was a little unusual and there were a lot of factions vying for power behind the scenes. It wasn't until most of the internal struggle within AE was settled that they got released for action.

>>34783984
Space ACR
FTFY

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>>34784008

Mobile Suit knife sheath, what a dope detail! Didn't notice it before!

>>34784344
It's extra silly since in that scene, the suit uses the beam saber under its right forearm to cut some shit that gets thrown at it, and then proceeds to punch and kick things.

I guess the pilot is just a /k/ man at heart

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Anyone have info on the production numbers of mobile suits during the OYW?

>>34784598
I hate Kayne, he is not worthy of that red zaku

>>34784598
The total Earth Attack Force had around 600-650 MS units, not counting spares or specialty units, so I would hazard to guess that it's total MS strength was at least double that to start with. There is no way of knowing what their reinforcement rate was though, but you have to figure that they landed more units in order to hold captured areas.

Unfortunately, there are no hard numbers on space forces composition, but space battles tended to be much larger. While early in the war not all of them carried an MS complement, by mid war it could be expected for a Musai to carrying between 4 and 6 MS units, and the Zeonic space navy was quite large, with at least a few hundred ships, though probably half of them were transports/logistical craft or warships unable of carrying MS units. Late war saw the construction of the Dolos-class carrier that had a complement of 182 suits, and two of them were built. Then you have garrison forces on the colonies (a single Side could have up to 30 colony cylinders) and the Moon, not to mention forces stationed at various military installations like Pezun, Solomon, Luna 2, A Baoa Qu and Axis. Then you need to factor in that they would have spares for a lot of units. So JUST FOR ZEON alone you easily have production numbers into the thousands, and by all accounts the Federation surpassed their production rates by many magnitudes in just the last few months of the war alone.

>>34783479
>Pound for pound, the Zaku series is a better combat machine then the GM
Beam weapons. Ceramic-titanium armor. Higher top speed. Higher maneuverability.

Retard.

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>>34772005
Daily reminder Tallgeese a mass produced mobile suit was able to fight and beat a Gundam.

>>34783479
The GM outperforms the Zaku on nearly every metric. It's the Gelgoog and Rick Dom which were in the same ballpark.

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>>34783977
>best melee suit of the OYW walks up to you and slaps your monoeye
>what do

>>34785657
>Tallgeese
>Mass produced
It was a one-off high performance machine mothballed because nobody could pilot it. The Leo was a scaled-down, low performance variant that UESA/OZ was using as the standard suit at the beginning of the series.

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>>34785686
Show him your 192mm shotgun

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>>34785789
one of the most underrated mobile suits, if the pilot didn't get cocky he would have won.

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>that scene from Unicorn with all those hardcore oldtypes that survived the OYW wrecking Feddies with museum tier mobile suits

Rip in pesos you glorious bastards.

>>34783035
Thunderbolt Acguys are starting to become my favorite suit now. I haven't even watched the new Thunderbolt yet. I hope they get a kit.

>>34783334
>The word "mecha" (メカ meka) is an abbreviation first used in Japanese of the word "mechanical"
Clearly a weeb term.

>>34784736
Kanye is very much a weeb, a lot of his older music videos are anime inspired

>>34779579
Man I really just like punching niggas

>>34781111
Glad someone else realized this.

Ok so some MS can not use beam weapons due to reactor output? However I remmeber reading even the early beam rifles used E-caps(fixed in the weapons) then later E-packs (removable) and the details made it seem these where the battry/ammo for said weapon and completely seprate from the MS. Am I mis-remembering that and the MS powered/charged the E-cap it self?

>>34786506
Zeon never really thought beam weapons were worth the effort, because RB-79 Balls were the best the Feds had ever come up with in active combat until the Project V prototypes were forced into the fight.

>>34786506
the E-cap holds most of the energy for a shot, but to fire, it needs a last kick of power from the MS' reactor.

In Unicorn, Rhidde in the delta plus grabs the unicorn's beam magnum and fires a shot, and it trashes the DP's arm, cause the unicorn's gun is so overpowered.

>>34786622
zeon lost due to political bickering and narrow views
the whole attempt to conquer Earth was stupid AF, they should only seize enough of it to force for a treaty

>>34785657
>>34785728
Didn't the Taurus/Mobile Dolls initially blow everyone the fuck out too? I seem to remember that's why everyone got upgrades.

I'm actually surprised another Gundam series hasn't run with the idea of Drone warfare like Wing yet.

It also depends on the suit and the time it was released the rx 78-2 "white devil" needed to have its beam rifle recharged after every encounter since it was a prototype. I believe the same was true of the 08 ms teams ground gundam beam rifle units as they just mass production runs.

It was t until the release of the rx79 space custom and the thunderbolt sector conflict that experimental epics were developed... however they took up a lot of space and weight hence the huge backpacks and weight distribution problems... also if that thing ruptures it will pretty much take the whole suit with it like a flame tank on ww2 flame infantry man.

In 0080 and 83 that's when we got mini epacks that could be reloaded without threat of a devistating explosion or weighing down the machine.

The whole thing where the unit could recharge beam energy was never really implemented with anything besides beam sabers since they had a limited life span and battery. As far as I know a simple converter was made so the saber could be stored in the suit and charging when the fighter needed it in a pinch.

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Why are space Nazis always aesthetic?

Common enemy, easy to hate, iconic look... I mean the list goes on and on... but Japan especially takes that esthetic to the extreme especially with gundam... I mean originally they were meant to be just bad guys with cool mobile suits... but as the series developed into a war saga they were humanized because let's face it one demensional bad guys suck, and a great villain doesn't truly believe they are evil... just that their way is the only way to save everyone.

>>34787587
>space nazis

You misspelled Imperial Japan in space.

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>>34780701
why does a laser rifle with no recoil need a stock and a scope

>>34788724
Its not a laser rifle.

>>34787256
IBO sort of touched on it, in that Calamity War basically came about from drone-controlled mobile armors going full KILL ALL HUMANS, necessitating the development of mobile suits to counter them.

>>34788740
Why does a superheated metallic particle rifle with no recoil need a stock and a scope

>>34788783
isnt that a ballistic rifle

>>34788869
yes

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>>34783977

This was shown in the 08 ms team kinda with the beam sabers and rifles. When the hand closes their is a circuit that connects into the hand and creates the extension for firing the weapon... the scope isn't a scope so much as it is a targeting camera that feeds into the mobile suits computer and extends the range and ability to use the weapon and fire it... and the stock... well a big ass energy blast will have recoil, and until something better is made why not use what we've used for centuries.

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>>34785844
>if the pilot
If Bernie didn't mess up and studied about Australia everyone would be alive. Damnit Bernie you had one job.

Favorite zeon suit! And only something a veteran could pilot. But different from efsf technology.

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>>34788635
If you asked me, I'd say space Prussians, but then again it's said that much of Japan's military modernization was owed to legations from Prussia, the UK, and France.

I wouldn't say that space nazis it totally without merit though. There is a lot of German mixed into weapon and mobile suit names; there's the obvious parallel between Zeon's national flag and the Nazi era Reichskriegsflagge; and they pretty much throw out all subtleties with Gihren and Degwin's conversation where Degwin says his son is like Hitler.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlJ5j-hSUmQ

Also remember to HAIL ZEON

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk2vrRKel6k

>>34789093
Pretty neat scene, that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAB4qNLkexU

>>34785287
>Ceramic-titanium armor

GMs get fucking raped over and over again

>>34789040
Plus I think they made the socket compatible with Zeon weapons so they could use their better computer to hijack the guns in an emergency.

>>34788783
it has recoil

>>34785657
>tallgeese
>mass produced

wut? They made like 3 of them. There was the original prototype that Zechs used that was developed into the gen 1 zodiac suits and the gen 1 gundam (wing zero).

Tallgeese II which Treize used which was mostly just spare parts from Tallgeese I and Tallgeese III which began production with Tallgeese II but wasn't finished until post war

>>34785844
There is no fucking way he was going to take down the Alex

>>34787256
>I seem to remember that's why everyone got upgrades.

Heavy arms at least was upgraded because the original heavy arms wasn't configured for space

>>34789365
By the Big Zam and the Elmeth.

>>34789470
A Rick Dom 360mm bazooka could probably do it, Zaku 280mm already wrecked the full armor gundam.

>>34785856
>jumping the equivalent of a natl guard base with equally museum tier MS is glorious
zeon remnants are petty oldmen and the only time zeon was cool was during the one year war

>>34789505
That was the reason for everyone, the gundams were upgraded to get extra thrusters installed, the other features were just bonuses.

>>34789200
That gm confuses me. It has ground gm coloring but different legs and a basic gm backpack

>>34785686
That file name lel
> oogga booga where all the Zakus at

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>>34789431
Technically four Tallgeese were produced at the time, but Wing Zero is it's own separate suit not directly derived from the Tallgeese. There's the Shilong Tallgeese that was owned by Wufei's home colony.

>>34789671
The Efreet action was glorious though.

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>>34789093
Wait

I thought Australia didn't exist anyways because of the colony drop...

>>34790966
Only Sydney got fucked

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>>34791101
>A nice clean hole where Sydney was
>mfw

Goodbye my sides.

>>34791101
>Colony can land fucking anywhere on the surface of the planet
>Majority of planet's surface is water
>Lands right on top of digeridoo land

Do the nips secretly hate aussies?

>>34791282
To be fair they were aiming for Brazil

>>34790337
It might be a GM-Command type in different colors, it's also using a 90mm machine gun

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>>34791325
Zekes in charge of missing the target by literally half the globe

>>34778933
Nigger

>>34790337

It's a standard GM, the coloring is just a bit subdued to make it more realistic looking.

>>34786506
While the actual "shot" itself is stored in the E-cap, the gun itself still needs energy to produce the I-Field "tube" that the shot travels down and this is drawn from the suit itself.

>>34791449
To be fair, a colony tube isn't exactly the most maneuverable of object. It was the equivalent of trying to hit the bullseye on a dart board by standing clear on the other side of the bar, oh and people are lobbing nukes at you the whole time too.

>>34786865
>>34791721
E-caps are not holding energy, they're containers for pre-compressed Minovksy particles (which does require significant energy to be compressed to this state of near fusion). Additional electrical power is then required to complete the fusion into Mega particles, then further power is needed for the accelerator to launch it at speed.

The progression in power output for beam weapons still doesn't make sense. Armor was being reduced in most combat vehicles within 15 years of the OYW yet power consumption and output kept going up and up for no good reason.

>>34791885
Well, you also have Mobile Armors and warships to consider as well. It's a strategic advantage to have that kind of firepower. Just use Fin Funnels for enemy Mobile Suits.

>>34791885
The pre-compressed Minovsky particle were charged particles held in an extremely agitated state, and could easily be labeled as "energy", but you are correct in the rest of your explanation.

As for reactor output, compared gasoline engines from the 50s up to today, the increase in efficiency is staggering. Or fuck, airplanes in the past hundred years. From little more then motorized kits to high altitude hyper sonic monsters. The same could be said of the ultra-compact fusion reactors. The initial ship based reactors were huge multi deck things that took minutes to charge cannon shots and the initial suit units were only just enough to power the suit itself. There is a LOT of potential energy in a fusion reaction, it's all a matter of finding a way to harness it, and that requires a lot of research and experimentation.

>>34788979
Why is there no good art of Leos?

>>34772404
lol 223 varmint round

>>34772404
>/AR/ threads

>>34791449
Actually, feds destroyed it and bits landed. Here's the explanation from the dreamcast game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jL1ElJxlGM&t=79s

>>34789229
It was actually better in english since he faked an Australian accent too.

>>34793372
>literally one of those dramatic History channel documentaries except for Gundums
Fuck, thats awesome.

>>34793390
Yeah, I agree. I couldn't find the english version that I had bookmarked before though.

>>34793410
it gets even more ridiculous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TBY-KzrqCo

>>34792396
all of the suits om GW save for the Gundams themselves and the Tallgeese units were all designed like absolute fucking ass.

>>34793867
Those line reads were fucking amazing, especially when paired with all that stilted dialog.

>>34791282
>>34791325
stil would cause more damage overall if they hit the middle of Atlantic ocean

>>34792361
My point is about the wastefulness of the steadily increasing numbers, not whether they had the power supply to do so. Beam machineguns were a logical evolution that uses that extra energy to fire more often rather than fire a redundantly more powerful beam, yet beam MGs are generally really rare in the franchise. Hell, Heavyarms went from a beam gatling to solid shells when it upgraded to a pair.

Very perplexing.

>>34795290
Larger generators are always a good thing for MS. It lets them use higher-output beam weapons, carry more beam weapons in general, or equip exotic features like I-fields or psycommu. Some of the machines fielded by the first Neo-Zeon were overdesigned monsters.

>>34795290
That's because this is and has always been an extended action figure advertisement masquerading as a show.

The show might be good at times, but it is always secondary to how easily and well the giant robots translate into colorful injection molded pieces of plastic.

You could justify moving away from beam machine guns with the fact that mobile suits took over for fighters, and as such that extra power becomes useful for blowing bigger holes in ships that have thicker armor... but they already had mobile armors for that, so that makes them kinda redundant.

You could even say that, as the ablative anti beam coating continued to improve, there was a bit of an arms vs armor dynamic of wanting to be able to punch through the other guy's ablatives when necessary and thus wanting more power per shot!

But at the end of the day the real reason for ever increasing and largely arbitrary numbers on your beam weapons is so the fanboys can jerk off about how much more arbitrarily powerful the newest model is compared to the last one. Just like any progression based system. And it's worth remembering that as you get further away from the 0080s things get wackier and wackier, further from even the twisted handwavium animu reality, and rely more and more on newtype psychoframe hunter killer system bullshit.

They justified the return to solid projectile weapons in the later era with A) suits getting smaller and more lightly armored to try to dodge beams, making projectiles more effective again, or B) beam weapons becoming scarce because you're way out on a buttfuck colony or in an AU or the like.

But at the end of the day the real reason for SP guns is so that you can meaningfully differentiate your figures based on whether their guns are made out of gray plastic, or out of clear colored plastic with other colored plastic around it.

This is also why there are machines with a million and one different backpacks.

>>34789671
>>34785856
How would that look like in real life? Say, if a secret militia that gathered and maintained weapons from all over the world from the mid 50s-70s and used combined arms tactics to attack a key US base? Would they have been BTFOd from a mile away or would they have done some significant damage if they planned it right?

>>34796894
It probably would have gone exactly the same way it did in Unicorn. The militia forces would achieve significant gains with their surprise attack and inflict heavy damage but would ultimately be defeated once their target was able to mobilize and call in reinforcements.

>>34796894
closest I can think of is the camp bastion attack by the Taliban

>>34795290
It's anime logic. More power=more performance. Take the Powered GM for example from 0083. It's little more then a normal GM with a extra large reactor bolted on to it and it's faster, has more thrust and is more maneuverable then a normal GM.

>>34797629
Maybe the fact that these use nuclear rockets has something to do with the Powered GM thing, idk.

>>34795290
heat generated and material tolerances would be more of an issue rather that the energy surplus imho.

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>>34789365
>GMs get fucking raped over and over again

Because they were going up against things better than Zaku IIs.

On the same page, Zakus weren't redshirt-tier either unless they were going against a Gundam.

>>34793372

>Earth invasion
>March 11
>Goufs and Doms

no

>>34796894
The base was also staffed by a bunch of outdated suits. Gm2, aqua gms, nemos, and thaat strange guncannon arent new suits by any means, the brylant custom itself is a leftover made from a bunch of titans suits. Until the Jestas show up the most modern suit on the field was the zee zulus

>>34773641
I hope this isn't a lie because if it's true that's fantastic.

>>34779519
EZ8 is supreme aesthetic.

>>34800073
It says this on the gundam wiki page for heavy arms. That the 5 wing gundams were unused designs for G Gundam

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>>34773641
Gundam Maxter got upgraded to be more AMERICA anyways