What would you consider the ideal PT test for basic combat infantrymen.

Marine CFT is pretty solid

>>34766473
Deadlift 300lbs for 5 reps
Squat 225 for 5 reps
As many Pullups as possible in one minute (at least 10)
As many push ups as possible in one minute (at least 30)
Stone to shoulder 5 reps each side (80lbs) or farmers walk
3 miles in 20 mins max or Cooper test
Ruck march

>>34766537
>3 miles in 20 mins max

Ha ha ha ha ha

>>34766537
>As many Pullups as possible in one minute (at least 10)

Borderline failing for USMC

>3 miles in 20 mins

Borderline max/ PT stud for USMC


Some retarded fucking metrics there bro. Also 5 reps of anything isn't going to test endurance relative for combat.

>>34766551
haha as in that's unreasonable or haha as in that's too easy? 6:20 mile run time isn't super unrealistic, but not everyone makes that. still a 80 something percent on current apfts for 2 miles higher if you're older

>>34766473
>those pouches
What year is it?

aren't basic infantry obsolete in the battlefield now anyways? Sending them into a battle would just be a meat grinder according to my military sims.

>>34766633
Iraq was a milsurp paradise

>>34766652
>20 year olds in a world of COIN
i hope we get into a war before all of the people who experienced the cold war die off

2min Pushups
2min Sit up
2 mile run.

Must kill another aspiring infantry man / woman

>>34766473
>the ideal PT test for basic combat infantrymen.

A grunt needs a combination of strength, speed, and endurance, and a PT test should reflect that requirement.

Mine would look like:
Event 1: 12 mile roadmarch with a 60 pound ruck in under 3 hours and 30 minutes
Event 2: Low obstacle course while carrying a basic load and individual weapon - a) negotiate 4 foot window obstacle b) conduct 15 foot rope climb b) negotiate 5 foot window obstacle c) conduct 200 pound litter drag d) negotiate 6 foot wall obstacle e) execute 10 chin ups
Event 3: Shuttle run for time starting from 10 meters out to 15 meters

Event 1 focuses on endurance, which a grunt needs on patrol, during movements, and during clearing operations in MOUT.

Event 2 focuses on the individual strength to weight ratio that a grunt needs to hump his kit, and to haul his ass around the environment.

Event 3 focuses on the speed a grunt needs to move from cover to cover while minimizing his exposure to enemy fire.

Minimum amount of equipment needed, and would weed out a lot of fuckers that shouldn't be on the g'damn line.

>>34767704
>starting from 10 meters out to 15 meters

*50 meters.

RUN
RUN
RUCK
RUN

>>34767704
This guy nailed it

>>34766473
1. heart beating
2. can shoot rifle

>>34768486
That's more of a "the front lines have come to our shores" sort of PT standard.

>>34766551
That's unrealistic for most people, even when in good shape. I'd say 24 minutes is a more realistic standard.

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>not watching Brooke Wells pump out dem thrusters

lads...

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>>34767704
Perfect.

>>34768676

24 minutes in 3 miles is considered slow in regular infantry units. And it is not like we attract the best and the brightest out here.

9 mile ruck, 60 lb ruck (dry)
Max rep front squat 185 lbs
1.5 mile run
max rep OHP 115 lbs
15 minute water tread to get rid of blacks

>>34766877
Hooah

>>34766473
Cardio:
Guided run (Instructor led) at an 8min/mile pace for 3 miles
Individual run, 5 mile in 45min or less

Strength (Bodyweight):
Pullups for max, 10 minimum
1min rest
Pushups for max, 50 min
1min rest

Core Strength:
Crunches/Sittups for max, 50 min

Strength (Weights):
Bench Press 150% BW x1
Dummy drag, 200lb, 35ft

>>34768676
An 8 minute mile is slow as fuck.

A grunt should be able to at least do 7's to 7:15's.

>>34766877
Dubs can't deny the apft hooah

do it in full battle rattle.

>get up from laying on your stomach and sprint 100feet, 5 times in 3 minutes.
>get up from laying on your back and sprint 100feet, 5 times in 3 minutes
>pick up someone near your weight(also in full battle rattle) fireman carry them 200 feet in a minute.
>run a mile in 9 minutes
>lift a 100 pound rucksack and strap it on 5 times
>from the sitting position you put on a 100 pound rucksack and stand up 5 times.

What sort of retard would go into the infantry? Do you want a lifetime of fucked joints ?

>>34770274

From my civilian faggot point of view, that sounds like the kind of shit you'd have to do on the field.

>>34770609
the army pt test is a good enough indicator of physical conditoin. yet you can get some PT studs with poor functional strength, because all they do is train to the test. while some low pt score troops will be really strong in functional strength.

a physical fitness test should judge you on field functional fitness.

>>34766473
carrying heavy shit for a long distance to weed off women

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7-mile run with rifle on varied grades of elevation
Get to range, put on gear. Carry a dummy.
1 and half minutes of continuous push-ups, no minimum number of reps, but soldier isn't allowed to rest and must do at least on complete rep every three seconds.
Move to next station, throw a dummy grenade at least 20 meters.
Next station, scale a wall
Finally, and if it's practical, a stress shoot with targets out to 100 meters. Shooter is given one 10-round magazine to hit at least seven targets.

Meh the current fitness tests are fine. what they need to do is make it easier for commanders to punish/remove unfit soldiers

>>34766877
ARMY STRONK

>>34766473
Battle buddy carry, ruck march, ammo carry and weapon carry.

10KM in PT kit to be completed in less than 50 minutes.

>>34772407
They'll just lower the standards for them like they already do.

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This thread is the prime example while HITT and Crossfit being fielded by unqualified NCO's are breaking Joe.

I think the marines have it right. Maybe make the passing point a little higher.

I personally like the AF standards because I'm a fuckin POG.

>>34773851
>Crossfit

Dumbest fucking "fitness" program I have yet to see.

>>34766473
2 minutes to suck a golf ball through a 1.5 meter garden hose

>>34774248
We're not talking about sailors here, pal....

Having exercises like deadlift/benchpress or squat as a fitness standard is retarded.

Everyone's bodies are different, you couldn't expect a guy who was 6'4 to out squat a stocky guy who was 5'6, but the tall guy would be much better suited to parachute jumps and tabbing(rucking).

The two key requirements for a soldier's fitness is his ability to sustain a slow pace for a long time, and to maintain a fast pace in intervals.

I'm not going to ever turn around to one of my blokes on PT and say he's a shitcunt because he can't deadlift fuck all because that doesn't he can't tab or do pressups or run for a long time.

This inclusion of non bodyweight exercises is just a projection of ego

>>34766473
MRE eating marathon. First three weeks is nothing but veggie omelet, if you break you're a wash out. After that any MRE of your choice but you'll have to eat it for the rest of your time in service.

Hot yoga

>>34773928
Wait til you see the e-5/6 or that butter bar that does it break peoples wrists and ankles

>>34774842
chilimac for life

>>34774618
So what happens when a 140 lbs person only has to deadlift or squat an amount that doesn't even equate an average person in full kit?

What does bodyweight lifts prove? Because its completely irrelevant if your buddy is 215lbs in kit and your bodyweight deadlift is 140lbs, no?

>>34766598
>>As many Pullups as possible in one minute (at least 10)Borderline failing for USMC

> Borderline failure for pullups is 5 but whatevs. 10 is just 2 pullups short of half of the max, which aint great but aint shit either.

>>34774856
In plate carrier. ONLY plate carriers

>>34770372
>What sort of retard would go into the infantry? Do you want a lifetime of fucked joints ?

It's cute you think the infantry has it worse when carrying heavy loads. Watch a unit of combat Engineers build an MGB for time some time and you will know the definition of suck.

>>34767704
this, give incentive pay to those that hit a certain threshold score, and remedial training to those that fail to meet standards

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>>34773851
>>34773928
>>34774877

Don't worry HITT and crossfit are being replaced as we speak since they realized it was a civilian meme.IDK what the new program is though so it may get better or worse.

>>34774618
>ability to sustain a slow pace for a long time, and to maintain a fast pace in intervals.

You're forgetting the load factor, dude.

They've got to be able to do all that shit under loads ranging from a fighting load, to sustainment loads, to humping litters.

While I agree that gym shit, like the bench press, is pretty much worthless, and body weight exercises, like pull ups and rope climbs, are effective, there should be a load test as well that includes a 200 pound litter drag, at a minimum.

>>34766896
We Sparta now.

>>34766473

8 feet Standing Long Jump. Can't do it and you're out.

>>34767704
This.

Someone call HQMC