It seems like body armor has become very effective at stopping

>>34758806
Depends on what you mean as 'obsolete.' If you mean what I think you mean, then DEW's will probably make it obsolete, in that wearing body armor will literally only ever slow you down, and won't protect you against the weapon in question.

After that, probably man-portable railgun tech. The kinetic energy will simply be too high - even if the armor isn't penetrated, the conservation of energy would be high enough to cause severe trauma in the user.

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if armor truly turns small arms into obsolete surplus then future wars will be fought with soldiers in power armors fighting with their (powered) fists.

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>>34758949

Naw, the future is rocket-tag

>>34758806
I think your premise is fairly flawed, as you have not yet addressed the issue of the ballistic impact.

Doesn't matter if your armor stops a .50cal bullet if when it does your chest cavity collapses and your rips crumple inward.

>>34759006
>micro-rocket ammo
>with shaped charges

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>300win
>338
>50

Those would all like to have a word with you.

Also, I can tell you've never carried or used plates before or kevlar.

Once it stops a round or even sometimes shrapnel it's effectiveness drops significantly to the point it'll be like it's not even there.

2-3 well placed shots and it's over.

I mean shit, m80a1 and 175gr hot loaded 308s will destroy level 3 ar500 plates.

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>>34759006
>cancelled

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>Laughs in 30mm

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>>34759971
>m203
>30mm

>>34759971
you're 10 short sparky.

>>34758806
>stopping manportable firearms
no, weapons can catch up faster than you blink
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBntnnCFvOk

>>34760052
and of course we can always make manportable 20-30mm semi automatic recoilless rifles, all the technology exists it could even fuck up an ifv, would be kind of heavy, but with powered exos might not be prohibitive unlike the armors that could possibly stop them.

>>34759999
FUCKING QUADS CHECK EM, I meant to post this btw

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>>34760182

>>34760102
if i see it correctly the rmk30 30mm recoilless autocannon only weights a 100kg which puts it well in the manportable range in theory. it would fuck any armor easily that is not an mbt.

>>34759940
Ahahahaha no
308 won't even make a dent in ar500.

>>34760373
You sure about that buddy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srHSAmgTnyc&t=169s

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>>34760373
Read a book nigger.

>>34760684
Beat me to it.

>>34759025
This. Plus, even the best body armor is only rated for a certain number of rounds, even more so with ceramic as it shatters. Dumping two 3-shot bursts into someone would, at the very least, be enough to wind/injure. Magdumping, which some panicky fucks do anyway, is pretty much a guarantee that one of those thirty 5.56 rounds is gonna make it through.

Also, OP, mentioning "le powered armor" makes me want to discard all your opinions anyway.

>>34760792
He probably doesn't want to admit his 80 dollar plates won't stop anything that's a real round.

Especially when you read between the lines of what they tested. Along with what they list being completely false.

Ar500 makes great range targets however.


"LEVEL III BODY ARMOR

Tested to NIJ .06 standards with six (6) rounds of 7.62x51 M80 Ball (.308) at 2,780 feet per second from a distance of only 51ft!

Level III body armor offers the most protection for your buck, and covers the most common threats one could encounter including nearly all Military & NATO calibers up to the threat level above. Our Level III body armor provides industry leading protection against "penetrator" rounds such as the 5.56 M855/SS109 - which, put simply, can blow through UHMWPE type and similar Level III body armor options."

Yeah, no way man. They show testing out of 16 inch ar10s shooting slow and 130gr ball ammo. I'd love to see it take a 175gr smk/bthp at 2750fps

>>34760852
>magdumping an entire mag on target on a small moving target

>>34760881
I will say however, they are decent plates against handguns to an extent, and shit milsurp other small arms ammo.

You're not invincible with any armor, people need to keep that in mind.

>>34760936
Not hard to shoot some one with the wind knocked out of you.

Getting shot with plates/kev hurts like fuck.

And knocks the wind right out of you, even breaking ribs/bruising them. Granted adrenaline is one hell of a drug.

Hyper velocity Rounds will fill the gap.

You will see 4mm 5inch long projectiles being housed in 5 inch necked cases fired from bolt actions.

The future war has already happened
We have already run this simulation through
computer scenario. Every R&D movement that could be made has been made with todays datasets. Even the R&D variables that would likely change HAVE been changed and their results have been catalogued and determined.

Time Travel was confirmed the instance that the first quantum computer was completed.

>>34760975
You do not get the wind knocked out of you when shot in a hard plate, remember that.

>>34761240
Have you been shot with a hard plate?

I was wearing a ceramic testing bean bag rounds and holy fuck does it still make you cough out that air.

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>>34758806

>>34758905
>DEW
That won't be a thing for at least 30+ years.

>>34758806
They'll only keep making it better. Only thing to make it obsolete is if you humans no longer fight wars and we sent robots out to fight for us

>inb4 drones

>>34761265
You have brittle bone disease or some other terrible ailment, you shouldn't have the wind knocked out of you by that.

>>34761402
Shit sucks when it catches you mid chest. Granted I was close range for the bean bag tests and presenting a flat target so there wouldn't be a miss.

I would assume it's a same when there's 2k+ftlbs of impact.

>>34758806
In the immediate future advances in ammo may be able to tip the balance back in the favor of ammunition. I believe there have been recently developed rounds that can penetrate level IV armor for example. Further in the future you might see more use of lower velocity larger caliber weapons delivery anti armor sub munitions. With advances in tech or even current tech you may be able to design a 15-25mm high pressure-low pressure or low velocity semi automatic rounds to penetrate most any reasonable armor you'd be likely to run into.

Otherwise you get into the game of trying to balance providing enough energy to a penetrator of *insert "metal" here* and recoil control to penetrate some bull shit lv VI body armor.

Of course with a high mass low velocity projectile you'll be introducing range issues that'll probably have to be rectified with unit level weapons of some sort. Good luck hitting a guy 500m away with an over glorified 20mm grenade.

Of course it's also possible that improvements in material tech will end up favoring bullets over armor and a hardened bit of element X is better than an element X shield if you get it going fast enough. Then things might stay pretty similar.

>>34760852
>Also, OP, mentioning "le powered armor" makes me want to discard all your opinions anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGmymin7d0o

>>34760195
That's still 40mm. A different 40mm, but 40mm all the same

>>34761402
Fuck you terminator how many times have you been shot wearing plates?

>>34761214
Wat

Power armor isnt going to be a thing until we make some developments in battery technology.

>>34758806
>So, what could be done to make infantry armor obsolete again?
Simple experiment can be done for that. Wear body armor from OP. Stand at 300 yards line and ask your friend to shot at you with tactical TM rapid fire from 5.56x45 gun. Make a video, post on youTube and here.

Anyone who references shooting armor 3 times or more in the same spot, as some argument talking points needs to GTFO.

>>34761556
That's a very soothing video. But so much so that it's like the "remain calm" voices from distopian movies.

>>34762784
Seconded. Good luck getting two hits on any target at all. Two in the same spot? You'd need SALVO burst at under 100yd

Explosives. Good luck covering every inch of body is armor

This whole thread:
>implying evey enemy ever will have access to the latest armor and there is perfect symmetry in equipment
>implying even if issued, everyone will wear all armor.
See Iraqis being too cool for school and not wearing it because it's too heavy, hot, allah doesn't like it.
>implying you can only get shot at and only get shot into plates.
What about blowing people up? Shots to other vital regions? They will less likely kill, but still take you out of the fight.
>implying armor gives you the ability to walk through fire without a worry.
Suppression will still be effective.
Better armor is an advancement and increases surviveability, but it's not the gamechanger everyone makes it out to be. You still need to fight to get results

>>34760852
>Magdumping
Magdumping, with the average conscript mong's aiming skills, will much more likely lead to a mis-aim and hit somewhere where there isn't a plate on your body.

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Well America used body armor in Vietnam and lost that one so what do you think

>>34759255
That already exists. AFAIK an infantry missile smaller than a man's forarm has been developed and tested successfully. And Switchblade and Battlehawk UAVs have been around for years now, and very successfully so.

>>34763253
You cant be serious with that post.

>>34758806
>It seems like body armor has become very effective at stopping bullets fired from man handleable weapons
Let's be specific - soft body armor has problem with 9mm fired out of carbines so it's in kinda bad place.

Also the problem is that most people don't test those with proper armor-piercing bullets since those are illegal for civvies in most of the world, and many ceramic plates used in those vests won't deal with those either.

Now there are some things like Ar500 plates but you see there's a problem.

Weight. While it's not uncomfortable to carry those vests(just like it's not really uncomfortable to carry medieval armor), it really requires very fit person to march/fight in it for an extended period of time and even then, somebody who wears just an anti-shrapnel vest will have much easier time moving around. Until you fix this, you won't see bodyarmor being "sufficient" to be invulnerable. And the most logical fix to this is some kind of exoskeleton which also stretches the "man-portable" category far wider than it is now.

The elephant in the room is that we have awful lot of knowledge about how to pierce through every kind of armor because we've already did this with tanks, therefore every new body armor will result in adoption in even better ammo type, with ammo being cheaper than armor.

>>34761466
He is talking out of his ass. Next he will say the impact energy of a round being focused onto one point and being fully dumped into a target is the same as a round going off and leaving an unobstructed barrel.

>>34763336
i'm neither of the people you reference, but the impulses of a 12 gauge beanbag and a deflecting or disintegrating 55-150 grain bullet are completely different. the bean bag is going to transfer much more (nearly all) linear momentum into you

>>34762740
not neccesarily true military uses al oxide batteries that gave energy de sity 10 times of commercial but its expensive and cant be reloaded. but expensive is not that big of an issue anc replacing batteries instead of charging them has advantages. heavy infantry going to be motorized anyhow the ifvs can carry the spares.

>>34763329
thats the main thing armor is always more expensive than what can defeat it. most high tech weaponry can be defeated by stone age tech costing $5 or less. you cant maks a body armor for example that can whitstand a serious crossbow.

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>>34763832
>you cant maks a body armor for example that can whitstand a serious crossbow.
>What is plate armor?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO1J7ku70P4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76mbOMFjlu0
memear500 can stop that shit. Any modern rifle plate will stop crossbows

>>34758949
MGR when

>>34763948
sorry a good modern crossbow will rekt that shit.

>>34764023
Prove it.

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>>34759966
Wrong

>>34763948
btw yeah i was thinking about soft armor modern armor plate will probably stop it unless you go full retard on bolt weight and tip material like a bodkin made of tungsten carbide and bolt weighing more than a pound.

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>>34764068
That has more to do with people using the wrong type of ballistic vests, pannels etc since they are not educated in modern protective vests.

Not a single youtuber video where people use older weapons against modern soft vests uses a vest designed specifically for edged weapons unless said weapon is specifically for testing stab vests and not just "modern armor vs medieval weapons".

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>>34758806
As much as I love body armor, I'm gonna rip apart your statement for the sake of it.

>It seems like body armor has become very effective at stopping bullets fired from man handleable weapons, and is probably made even more effective by the advent of powered armor in the near future.
5.56x45 coming out of a twenty inch barrel will shred unmodified AR500. Ceramics can only take so many hits before calling it quits. Body armor is meant to act as a save, not as an invulnerable shield.

>Ceramic plates, steel of high hardness etc. can stop anything that's not tungsten carbide core, and even still it's difficult.

Wrong. Ceramics being more capable than steel but still wrong. Small projectiles coming at high speeds will shred both given enough force. Fast-moving hard hitters (like .50 BMG) and high explosives aren't an uncommon sight on the battlefield.

>This kind of armor is rather commonplace and not that expensive in non 3rd world countries and is commonplace in many armies.
Nothing wrong with this statement.

>They are to protect the combatant, but the enemy is also outfitted with similar armor, giving them similar capacity to kill you.
Yes and no. Capacity to kill doesn't simply rely on armor, but armor plays a somewhat minor to major factor.

>In this case offense seems like the best defense. But modern propellants seem to be limited in their ability to send the projectile at sufficient velocities to defeat thick armor steel or ceramics. Only solution today looks to be very expensive, very difficult to machine tungsten carbide bullets. And railguns, pulsed lasers etc. are at least decades away due to insufficient batteries/capacitors and materials technology.
Err, what? I love sci-fi and the thought of it becoming real (some of which very much is), but bullets do the job fine. Also modern propellant isn't so much the limitation as the tolerances of the rifle and weight. (1/2)

>>34758806
>Do assault rifles with controllable recoil and low weight have to be rendered obsolete?

No, you'd just see SAWs being swapped out for AM rifles until the enemy was bankrupt.

>>34758806
>Sabot tungsten rounds flying at 5k fps fired in 3 rnd burst
>Airburst 25mm rounds that can pen 50mm of rolled homogeneous steel as well as producing anti infrantry fragmentation.
>thermobaric weapons

Pretty much shit that was made and tested in the late 80s bro.

>>34763297
You mean the 40mm pike missile with a 2km range . That thing is nasty i want a back pack with 12 of the fucks. Then im a man portable mrls.

>>34764068
> worlds most powerful crossbow vs plates

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lvSMXL6mV-A

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>>34764120
(2/2)
In addition, tungsten carbide has become relatively cheap due to modern manufacturing capabilities (at least within the US). Steel is even far cheaper due in thanks to this.

Even with that, there's stuff like http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a433982.pdf that can further improve the guns, as well as barrels that are both extremely stress tolerant yet light.

>So, what could be done to make infantry armor obsolete again?
Nothing, body armor does what is designed for. It isn't suppose to act as God's shield to all harm.

>Do assault rifles with controllable recoil and low weight have to be rendered obsolete?
No.

Here are some armor defeating rifles from over 20 years ago easily manportable

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KVRyY5QH9Lo

>>34758806
Well, there's armor and then there's armor. Yes, body armor is commonplace, but not the really strong stuff that is good against most "man handleable weapons". Most of it's Level III, which is rated for I think 1 round of 30-06. So any projectile that's a little better at penetration than 30-06 should negate most of the enemy's advantage from their body armor, at least while they scramble to machine better armor.

I honestly think the military should switch everyone over to .243 WSSM for that reason.

>>34764278
Nope its level 4 thats rated against 30-06 ap and single shot.
Level 3 is rated against multiple 7.62 non ap rounds.

>>34764231
G11 kicks like a mule in burst but it still looks sexy.

>>34764285
I like to be abused by my rifles if it just happens to be a sexy german beating me im fine with that.

>>34764278
>.243 WSSM
For shredding prairie dogs? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=momVfIRdYRE

>>34764209
the arrows is the real important part in this unless you missed it nobody makes arrows for penetrating plates today they are all made for hunting high speed low drag light arrows.

i recon i could easily make something that goes right through. and it's still the technology of 300 hundred years ago.

did the motherfucker just use blunt practice tips and carbon arrows?

>>34764281
Ok, that makes my point even better then. As far as I know, Level III is the common one that will be issued to most soldiers if you're in a war with a country that uses armor.

>>34764293
Well, people do that all the time with .223 as well.

58 grain projectile at upwards of 4,000 fps is just as good at shredding armor as it is prairie dogs.

>>34764335
Having done hema and sca only rarely was good plate armor peirced by crossbows. Consider 2.5mm of steel a gambeson thats 3mm thick linnen the amount of protection offered was insane.. only real way to kill a man in plate was to knock him down and stab him through the gaps or hit him with a pole arm till he stopped moving.
War bows of 130 pound draw back could peirce non quality cheap plate worn by your average troops.

No arrow will ever go through any modern hard ballistic plate.

>>34764335
>"You could make X do Y, Why? Modern technology of course since I say so"
Good luck making a giant crossbow that launch a very special, heavy, dense bolt hyper sufficent velocity to defeat NIJ standard level 4 armor.

>>34764351
US soldiers are walking around with rifle plates that exceed NIJ LVL 4 standard since operation iraqi freedom.

Russians soldiers are somewhat on the same level since their rifle plate also exceed NIJ level 3 standard

Thing with body armor is that it is a force multiplier, not a game changer. Only so much surface area is covered by rifle plate armor.

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>>34764389
I mean everyone forgets the elephant in the room.
>grenades
A good grenade can kill and maim out to 120 foot radius with frag and will cause a sure kill with in 15 feet due to pressure.

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Pretty sure our best hope is liquid body armor

>light
>flexible
>the harder the hit the harder the material becomes

or we can go full 40k and wear steel/titanium power suits and effortlessly shrug off concentrated M2 fire

>>34764389
>Good luck making a giant crossbow that launch a very special, heavy, dense bolt hyper sufficent velocity to defeat NIJ standard level 4 armor.
crossbow doesn't teen to be gigantic at all. a hardened steel bolt with a tungsten armor piercing tip weighing around 500g traveling with 100m/s or a 300g traveling with 150m/s will have the same amount of kinetic energy a 7.62 nato round would have. except the impact profile will be completely different. sure it sounds heavy about 10 times heavier than most arrows, but you can do it. 100 gram was not unheard of even in the medieval times for handheld crossbows. you could probably make 300 work with an upscale construction. might need a windlass in fact it will probably need one or a lever.

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>>34764400
Not sure if grenades are that important when it comes to body armor since they were designed from the very start to defeat them. Vietnam era flak jackets allowed US marines in vietnam to essentially play dodgeball using grenades with NVA soldiers and win since they had protection. But still you are not terminator and can walk through hand grenades like it is nothing.

>>34764494
up close the vest will not save you, it will maybe save you on the outer edges of the kill zone possible kill zone of a grenade is a hundred meters or more but where it's usually expected to deal with the enemy is 5-6 meters, but if you don't expect it you will get some shrapnel or bearings in the face and die just the same.

Suppose you lot know what a safari rifle calibre might do to level 4 plate? I've seen a test where a plate stopped a round of .338 LM (albeit with massive deformation of the back plate), but I'm more curious about the Weatherby magnums which are notorious for being blazing fast and powerful - The .338-378 Weatherby, for one, can zip away faster and harder than even the .338 LM. On the other end are the stopping rifles firing comparatively slow but immensely heavy bullets - The .600 Overkill can be loaded with massive 900-grain bullets.
What would calibres like that do to the man behind the armor?
I'm not saying it's very likely that Yusuf the goat herder is the type to buy a safari rifle in a ridiculous snowflake calibre like the ones I mentioned instead of mucking around with his IEDs or EFPs, but it would be cool to see.

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>>34759999
Oh fuck dem quads of eternal btfo

>mfw 40mm of pure knowledge >>34759999

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>>34758806
/thread

>>34764494
I am calling intense bullshit on the M16 story on the second page.

>>34760254
Weighs more than a man
>man portable

Carrying around your 100lbs of gear and ammo is bad enough. Trying to lug around 220 pounds of gun plus it's ammo between 3-4 dudes plus their personal weapons.
Fuck. That.

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>>34764430
Now that's an idea I could get behind

>>34761240
I have some buddies from the 'Stan that would beg to differ

>>34764863
Why? They were fragmentation vests, not bullet resistant vests and the barrel was basically against the vest and the dude. It'd take chunks out of both of them.

>>34764863
It's just a story with usage of hyperbole. Think about it logically, a man saw a fellow marine save another marine by sticking the muzzle into the enemy combatant and firing in the heat of battle. 556 from a 20inch barrel got the best fragmentation and tissue damage. The vietnamese got shot at point blank range while hugging a marine and the barrel was most likely not directly perfectly inbetween them but most likely pointing into the vietnamese belly from his 2 o clock or 10 o clock depending on the marines position. It would make such severe damage to the enemy's body that it would "look like" he was cut apart while the flak jacket would have been damaged from the muzzle blast (even more so since it was stuck right between two people who were must likely very tightly pressed together since they were fighting with one using a knife to try to end it).

He may not even have seen the actual fight but have been told by a fellow survivor of said fight who would use such hyperbole terms since it is in the heat of battle and may not have the correct words to accuratly describe it.

It's the same as storys where people describe getting hit by a bullet, how they were thrown across the room or it felt like a sledgehammer etc. Hyperbole terms used to describe life threating situations in a understandable way. They may not be literally 100% correct but they are still useful to give you image of the event.

Sabot ammo fired from smooth bore barrels

HF blades.

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>>34758806
We will use laser and plasma weapons!

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current plates can only take up to 3006/7.62x54r ap, so sniper fire/machine gun fire is still deadly, and plates cover literally only the vitals. a shot to the unprotected pelvis or abdomen still takes the soldier out of the fight and without treatment will die. good plates might be as cheap as $200 each, but that's $400 a set, and for a 100,000 fighters, with replacements for when they get shot, that's an awful expensive proposition

armor is great, that's why i wear it, but it's nowhere near as powerful as you make it out to be. 5.56 is fine for now

>>34765484
What about that wonky Accelerator ammo? Might it reach sufficient velocity to penetrate?

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Fuck IOTV's

I'd rather wear nothing at all than wear an IOTV

But I'd rather wear a plate Carrier than nothing at all.

>when your First Sergeant comes to work pissed and makes everyone put on the shoulder, arm and dick flaps along with the choker because he always brings his bad attitude to work with him

The pain of having a 1SG who's wife constantly cucks him with the PX clerk.

>>34761214
Congrats, you figured out what fallout already knew with their 5mm ammo, which is likely just tungsten carbide .204 ruger or .20tactical

>>34764922
i mean if you had powered exo that would allow you to truly wear armor enough to defeat manportable weapons your enemies could just carry that and then you are back to square one.

>>34766493
>plasma weapons
biggest meme ever. a plasma weapon is utterly ineffective and almost impossible to make it work. you could in theory make a plasma vortex gun, but it would travel rather slow in atmo won't work in vacuum it has quiet a spread and a toroid ring shape of mostly harmless plasma that's only dangerous to say drones or other fine electronics.

the kind of plasma jet weapons you see in science fiction is completely impossible to make.

an other form of "plasma" weapon is the electric shock conducted by laser induced ion and plasma channel. but one could argue it's just an electrolaser weapon.

>>34761480

>I believe there have been recently developed rounds that can penetrate level IV armor for example.

Are you talking about this?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/05/28/army-chief-milley-says-army-developed-new-bullet-defeat-level-iv-body-armor/

>>34768137
They are a meme for small arms; but not in fact physically impossible (tho short-ranged compared to a equiv-tech laser). Look up the Shiva Star/Marauderbprogram from SDI.


>AP ammo
Like M995? That will probably pen level 4. It will definitely zip through level 3. Accuracy leaves something to be desired.

>>34764803
Wrong. 40k is basically WW2 with space memetech, sometimes it's WW1 or Vietnam.

So in 40k AP-EX shells are good shit. IRL, shaped charges obsoleted APEX for anything large enough to fit one, and penetrator cores for everything smaller benefit from sectional density, so smaller calibres are generally better.

>>34768137
>the kind of plasma jet weapons you see in science fiction is completely impossible to make.

Why?

>>34764120
>>34764214

That was extremely informative, thank you.

>>34761214

are you on shrooms?

>>34768137
>>34768363

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5sIPJL_6F8

Looks like something that just might be weaponizable.

>>34758806
As a britbong can I buy some legit body armour? Any reccs for a reasonably priced rig?

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>>34758806
Just make a gun that blasts out radiation and gives everyone fucking cancer.

That way everyone will just switch to highly visible uniforms so you don't cancer the wrong people (there's no cover for Gamma, famalam)

Its always easier to destroy something then it is to build or protect something.

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Has anyone tried kevlar, ceramic, and steel all layered with each other?

For example, steel outer plating over several layers of Kevlar over ceramic plating over base layers of Kevlar over the squishy meatbag inside.

I imagine the combination of materials would increase each other's effectiveness, and the steel layer would mean the armor provides at least some protection no matter how many times it's shot unless a bullet goes through a previous hole.

It'd be heavy as shit, so mount it on powered armor like OP mentioned.

What about putting depleted uranium in the mix to make a real human tank?

>>34772688
Composite armor is not a new thing. Rather than picking one and going all the way with it, manufacturers often combine different armors to make up for each others shortcomings.
http://www.popsci.com/metal-foam-stops-bullet-in-less-than-an-inch

This one is steel foam with a boron carbide (ceramic) layer on top.
Although I'm not entirely sure what the boron carbide does, the metal foam operates using crumple zones. The kinetic energy in the bullet is spent in exchange for deforming the armor and crushing air gaps in the closed-cell foam.

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>>34758806
>In this case offense seems like the best defense. But modern propellants seem to be limited in their ability to send the projectile at sufficient velocities to defeat thick armor steel or ceramics. Only solution today looks to be very expensive, very difficult to machine tungsten carbide bullets.

or you can just pull the trigger a second time

>>34772783
The boron carbide acts as an effectively impenetrable bunch of grit that is way, WAY fuckin' harder than the bullet or the rest of the armor. Energy that the bullet would have expended on deforming the metal so it can pass through is expended on getting all those little carbides out of the way as well as deforming the bullet itself, increasing the effectiveness of the armor by a rather large amount. I'm pretty sure it was what the plot armor in John Wick 2 was inspired by... either that or the director had no fucking idea what material they were talking about.

>>34772783
>stops 7.62 armor piercing round in 8 millimeters
>Is also pretty lightweight

Why isn't this being used as body armor already?
Too expensive to manufacture?

>>34760684
>308 beats LVL III plate
color me surprised!
btw, LVL IV plates are specced to 30-06 which is a more powerful round than 308

>>34772884

Military industrial complex at work

Like when the military changes boot contractors. The army get's a sweet deal on a new type of boot but the contract states that the catch is your soldiers can no longer wear it's competitor's brand of boots "by UCMJ law".

In case you've ever wondered why those new boots you bought magically deemed "unsafe" within a fortnight despite the army fielding them for over 7 years.

Speaking of armor...

Looking to purchase Level III steel plates. Which brand is best? Also looking for plate carriers that will hold the plate well. Should I also get side plates as well?

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>>34758806
the future of armor for soldiers and vehicles is Non-Newtonian liquid.

>>34758806
M193 and M855a1 5.56mm cut through lvl III plates like it's butter. Do research nig

>>34761214
Quantum computers, though they are possibly one of the greatest advances made by humankind, are nowhere great enough to control time. It relies on quantum states

>>34770880
10x12 plates would fit in surplus desert dpm or new mtp opsery rigs. (What y'all use)

Where you could get plates I'm not to sure of, not even sure it's legal. Stuff slips out from all militaries though, and the UK is no exception. Look around and I'm sure you could find a former "royal" marine selling off kit that isnt legally yours.

Back in Iraq, we were all jealous of the britbongs, and their vests. While we have OTV's y'all had older, but still far superior, falklands era vests.

*the UK vests do not fit SAPI standard plates

>>34763310
Idk anon he makes a good point...