Jesus, India, get your shit together if you want to contain

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http://en.people.cn/n3/2017/0804/c90883-9250831.html

>Chinese defense ministry has urged India to immediately pull back the trespassing troops to the Indian side of the boundary.

>Ren urged the Indian side to give up the illusion of its delaying tactic, as no country should underestimate the Chinese forces' confidence and capability to safeguard peace and their resolve and willpower to defend national sovereignty, security and development interests.

>Chinese armed forces will resolutely protect the country's territorial sovereignty and security interests, said Ren.

anyone else want to see this turn into another border war?

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Who is going to win? Poo in the Loo or Gutter Oil?

>>34750761
Honestly, I think it'd go to India if for no other reason than they sort of know what they're doing. The Chinese have all the money and ammo they could want, but historically speaking they're fucking awful at fighting anyone but themselves.

>>34750801
>know what theyre doing

Um...

>>34750830
PLA has huge doctrinal, command, corruption, and equipment issues. The difference is India is a democracy so this shit gets out in the open

>>34750108
>only 40 days of ammo if everything goes right

wtf India, you cant fight a near-peer adversary with only a month + change worth of ammo.. let alone maybe two weeks..

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>>34750108

>India
>Stealth

pick one

>>34750830
India has fought a war in the past 50 or so years, China has not.

>>34750864
Vietnam?

>>34750838
>Insas
>Arjun
>tejas
>the WHOLE of the INS

I am really struggling to see how anyone loses to India desu

>>34751138
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Pakistani_wars_and_conflicts

I don't think Vietnam counts in China's favor, as far as I know they sort of half-assed it and mostly kept their support to arms and supplies.

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They've fought over the borders before. Might be a repeat of this again.

>>34751189
He means Chinese-Vietnamese war in the 80's where Chinks got wrecked(although at a great cost).

>>34751227
Oh, wasn't aware of that one. But it feeds back into my point about the Chinese just being fucking awful at war for some reason.

>>34751196

So India is going to get BTFO again?

>>34750801
Retarded. You are.

>>34751227
If you're talking about 79, you're retarded. Vietnam lost big on that one. Look at the political objectives of that war.

>>34751511
>>34751227
desu the chinks got most if not all? cant rmeember the paracel islands from that war so they must be pretty pleased today about it

>>34751525
No, 79 is what caused 20 years of economic malaise in Vietnam.

>>34751511
To remove Vietnam from Cambodia, which they failed to do?

>>34751547
Really? You must be a very poor student of history. Go read a book about it. Or 3. One of them in chinese.

>>34751557
>Really?
I don't know, why don't you tell me?

>>34750108
Indian here, it will only be a win for us. Chinese are trying to tresspass Bhutanese territory and we moved in forces to prevent them. Will force the Bhutanese to hang on to India or outright join the Indian federation in the long term, like Sikkim did.

>>34750624
>tfw want that poncho but arent a qt Asian grill
This is suffering

>>34751604
T. "Tom" from tech support, who doesn't realize that you can't turn a rifle with no bullets off and back on again to make it work.

This report was written by a PLA Artillery Regiment commander during the Second Sino-Vietnamese war.

https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopic.php?t=62511&start=30

>I ordered the guns to fire a salvo every 10 minutes. After the second salvo, nothing seem to happen I order flares to fire and the result was nothing.

>Only later that we have found out the VN attacking force was only 500 meters away from our line. Two VN Btn commanders were kill on the spot. Even without their commanders the VN troops did not give out their position. Even their wounded did not scream. They quickly move the wounded out of the area after the flare went down. Their discipline was unbelievable.

>0500, all hell broke lose. Fire fights happened at all points. We also got our first POW at this point after had causing heavy casualties on the enemy. From the POWs, we had found out what happened in earlier evens. The enemy force was so discipline that they launched their attack by following the time table even without their Btn commanders. The enemy also did an excellent job in avoided detection. They did not even use any wireless communications before their assault.

>One of their Btn was down to only 6 people left and they were still keep going. A counter attack was conducted right away by our infantry. The heavy artillery bombardment just prior to our counter attack took 2 cm off the top soil on that hill. The hill was back in our hands in 15 minutes. VN force refuses to gave up. Waves and waves of the enemy infantry were sent back up the hill. After it was over, we counted around 3700 enemy dead bodies were left on the battlefield. Our Div commander, who was a veteran of the civil war, he said he never saw that many dead bodies since that war. We took the weapons and the belt off each VN body and gave them to each one in our Regt.

Forget the Poo memes how would Vietnam v China go today?

>>34750864
Korea, they curbstomped SK and held the USA at bay.

>>34750864
Last I checked it was China who beat India in sino-indian border war.

>>34751671
>tfw SPORTS is mainly turning the rifle on and off again and calling tech support if that doesnt worm

>>34751700
Straffed with airsupport with thermals.

The problem is that China had very few hardened veterans from Korea then and none now, same with Vietnam, the reason they were able to operate so effectively was because everyone was a veteran of the Vietnam war.

Now it'll be whoever has the best tech.

>>34750624
If india is smart, they should do so. China doesnt have large military presence near indian border and having a major standoff with both China and Pakistan is the last thing they would do

>>34751700
War vets are a hell of a drug

>>34751763
AMERICA arming our brave vietnamese allies in a just war against the chicoms

>>34751807
Wouldn't have helped without the hardened and determined vets. We pour that shit into the middle East but no one can do shit against irregular militias.

What is with China and border conflicts?

>Sino Soviet border conflict
>Sino Indian border conflict
>Vietnam

No one is going to invade China anyway. Does China really have any major external threats?

>>34751963
CHINA WILL GROW LARGER

>>34751963
China has a shitton of borders full of people who don't like them, they have to or some other border population will startvgetting ideas

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>>34751982

>tfw no PLA killdozer

>>34752025
Though in all honest, so does India, Pakistan and to lesser extent, Vietnam, Indonesia and Japan. The whole area is like a perfect wasp nest of border conflicts waiting to happen.

>>34750801
Except, you know, China won hands down against the Indians in 1962 and that's just a few years after their great famine.

>>34752201
What. Japan shares a border with Russia and they're both on fairly good terms outside of Japanese claims on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands but both sides know that Japan won't start a war over either one.

>>34751700
>4 week long border war
>75,000+ KIA total
Asian wars get out of hand so fast

>>34752305
>When your options are doubling down or being ordered to join the assault yourself

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>>34751733
>Korean War was in 1967

>>34752264
Even on good terms there is a point of contingence. It's fairly reasonable to assume that the relations would be more tense had the Japan have a proper motive for starting a war.

>>34752335
>It's fairly reasonable to assume that the relations would be more tense had the Japan have a proper motive for starting a war.
Which is irrelevant because it's not what's happening?

>>34750859
that looks so fucking sexy jesus christ muh dick

>>34752264

>they're on good terms
>if you ignore the reason why they aren't on good terms

wat

>>34752349
Agreed, but land borders aren't the biggest points of tension for Japan. EEZ is where the shit is at. Japan's EEZ is disputed among Russia, China, RoC and South Korea, of course, China being the only ones who pursue being hardasses on it.

>>34751196
That seems like a victory till you dig into the details. with an 8:1 numerical advantage, the element of surprise, a 15:1 material advantage (motors machine guns arty, etc). Their push stalled in the second week, and they were losing ground in the third week again despite have more men and material in theatre. They also began taking heavier and heavier loses. If the war was called off 1.5 weeks into it there would have been 1012 dead indians and 173 dead chinese. Which means in the next 1.5 weeks 372 indians died for 649 dead Chinese.

What I'm trying to show here is that China's "victory" was really only a victory in that India accepted the cease fire. Vietnam which didn't accept a cease fire, completely expelled the PLA from its territory. Thus like all wars, China hopes that after a sharp short war, the enemy will capitulate and cease fighting back. Problem is, India views this territory, not just as part of India, but as essential to India's survival; hence, they won't back down even in the face of massive casualties.

Also remember in the current dispute, India has significantly more men, significantly more tanks, significantly more motors, significantly more artillery, significantly more airbases, significantly more planes in theatre than China does.

>>34751511
China invaded to stop vietnam from invading Cambodia. Not only did vietnam keep most of its military kicking cambodian ass, but they also BTFO out of the PLA. China lost in every concievable sense here, but as always they rewrote their objectives after the fact and said "victory is ours"

>>34750859
useless in combat right now. Still a couple of years away from getting the software figured out for full weapons integration. Also an attack aircraft meant to hunt for AWACS and tankers, doesn't do much when your enemy has air bases nearby.

>>34750108
your link is normal indian politics, they literally overemphasize every flaw in order to ask for a bigger budget next year.

>>34752372
READ the fucking post properly man. Japan and Russia have had fairly good relations despite Japan's claims.

they can't even get the lmaojas into the export market

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

"china improved relations with ASEAN by promising protection to Thailand and Singapore against "Vietnamese aggression". In contrast, Vietnam's decreasing prestige in the region led it to be more dependent on the Soviet Union, to which it leased a naval base at Cam Ranh Bay."

>>34751557
>One of them in chinese.
lol, I might as well read a Japanese text book to find out about the rape of Nanjing.

>>34751700
back in the day it was veteran NVA vs rookie PLA, as the PLA lost 1.5 million veterns killed or crippled in the korean war, and the NVA just got over fighting the US. Now its a different story as neither side has any veterans, and this would go done like two retards slap fighting. Ie. no one knows what the hell is happening, but darned if they don't try their hardest. I'd give an advantage to China because of their modernization, but that could also lead to overconfidence in the early stages of any Vietnam China war.

>>34751733
They came into the war with the express purpose of removing SK and the US from the Korean peninsula. They failed to do so losing 1.5 million hardened veterans from the civil war killed or crippled, including Mao's heir apparent. This war went so badly for the communists PLA generals outright criticized and chastised Mao, for literally the first and only time. Not even during the long march did such rebellion occur. But sure, believe your Chinese text book that says they won the war!

>>34751794
agreed India has the advantage now. They should take it.

>>34751963
They have an ongoing border disputes with literally every country they border. Russia and North Korea included.

>>34752025
Other way around, China's arrogant imperialism is what pisses literally everyone of their neighbors off. >>34752384 For gods sake they could have just bought the disputed land, but that wouldn't be the Chinese way.

>>34752247
see >>34752391

>>34752391
Those numbers you are using are a bit suspect. The important number is total casualties (or irrecoverable casualties if you want to exclude wounded), not dead. Include the Indian missing and captured and those ratios start looking far worse for India.

>>34752470
For the loses I'm adding up the loses in Battles by the day. For men, its the stated numbers, for the material again stated number both from wikipedia and its sources. Effectively in the Indio -Sino Border war, China prepared for it for 6 months, while India literally did nothing. They observed large number of Chinese troops massing, large supply chains (pack animals mostly) and thought meh everything will be fine.

STOP REPLYING TO POO IN THE LOO POSTERS.YOU CAN'T WIN A DEBATE WITH FANATICAL SHITTERS.

>>34752540
¥0.5 has been deposited in your account.

>>34752523
Not questioning the numbers or saying the China was competent or prepared for a lengthy fight. I am only pointing out that the number of dead is not the relevant measure of battle performance, total casualties (KIA, MIA and WIA) is. By using only KIA you are making the Indians, who had a large number of the force surrender, appear to have done better then they actually did.

What 50 centers seem to forget is that the Chinks lost the 1967 border clashes.

It is clear that India cannot support a very large force in any way in that isolated region. What are they down to...something like 40 soldiers now?

If China waits long enough, India will end up having to pull all of them out and then China can quickly go in there and make sure it does not happen again. India is setting themselves up for failure here and I simply do not see any reason for them doing so. There is nothing in terms of major resources or critical defense positioning to gain with such a small contingent. It is only posturing and India is on the wrong side of the curve on it.

>>34752661
What poojay posters forget is that indian planes fall, ships sink and tanks break down:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Naval_accidents

https://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/06/04/why_the_indian_air_force_has_a_high_crash_rate_43501

http://thediplomat.com/2015/05/breakdown-whats-happening-with-indias-tank-force/

>>34752572
agreed. I'll see what I can do about tabulating those numbers. That said India was advancing and China retreating in the last few days, therefore I really cannot image that most of the wounded or captured happened at the end.

>>34752688
You are completely wrong. India has 150k in theatre as compared to China's 40k. This remote area is viewed by India as a critical vulnerability which cannot afford to be lost. Thus they will not abandon it, nor will they back down from threats to it. China really should choose a better spot for this fight.

Noone posted these yet?

https://youtu.be/LZ0ue-XGl9c
https://youtu.be/wmuo7BEcpv4

>>34752690
You are deluded if you think china's shit does not break down as well.

Both are streetshitters, best to remember that; China just has a closed press.

>>34752747
they can make working copies, india has to import everything

>>34752773
Not true, they have plenty of indig t-90s and whatnot.

You pretend like China does not import anything.

>>34752778
they use all kinds of odd calibres, and many of their indig weapons requires foreign parts

China has bought SU-35s and the like but they are supplementary forces, not the mainstay.

You can see this by how the russians treat them, nervous as the chinese have the capacity to make effective copies, calm as the indians seem to be overtly reliant on them for even critical systems like the T-50.

The russians know they can scam the indians and are going full scam on it

>>34751700
Vietnamese here, currently we have a civil war in our leaders, the old ones want to be allied with Chinese, the young ones want to be allied with America and want an American to established a deep sea water port in Cam Ranh Bay

>>34752800
>china cucking you with those islands
>leaders who want to ally with china
really makes you think. not that america hasn't fucked vietnam in the past either

>>34752800
both will treat you as cannon fodder imho

>>34752805
>>34752806
Like I can do anything, the old leaders are corrupted as shit. Basically, Vietnamese sailors get shot down by Chinese ship every day and our news is "Anonymous ship shot down sailors". The media not even dare to mention China.

>>34752790

Actually, the fact that China has bought only a few Su-35 is pretty damning. It all but confirms that in some areas of military aviation hardware they aren't even at Russia standards, for example engines. If they are willing to spend billions to try and get some hardware to copy, that suggests that Chinese fighters aren't quite as great as the Global Times tells you.

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>>34752819
>believing anything that global times says
Do people actually do this, anon?

>>34752819
they supplements cause their own stealth fighters arn't there yet.

They have admitted their WS-15 isn't up to flight time standards yet, but are operationally capable.

>>34752829
they are*

but yeah, i mean until india can field a non-meme fighter jet then I'll see

>>34752773
you mean stretching logistics to breaking point? Sure that what happens when you buy
every 4th gen fighter on the market.

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>>34752834
What do the poos use now?

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>>34752837
they have french, british, american, russian like jfc

and as OP stated this is taking a toll on their supply

>>34752834
but india does field non-meme fighters. Like 200 Su-30s.
>>34752851
Is it just me, or does that rifle look somewhat bent

>>34752847
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indian_military_aircraft

notable:

>230 Su-30MKK
>(5) tejas, aka 5 fucking indigenous planes
>40~50 mirages
>40~ jaguars
>87 mig 27s
>245 MIG 21s

Can we ban chinks and poo?

>>34752790
>they use all kinds of odd calibres, and many of their indig weapons requires foreign parts
This is true if China as well.
>China has bought SU-35s and the like but they are supplementary forces, not the mainstay.
This is true of India sans their airfleet.

>>34752870
China can at least copy and make them on their own

The indian air fleet may at best have around ~100 aircraft assembled/made in india, china has 728 crappy but home produced Mig 21s right now

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So what if Pakistan decided to attack if things kicked off with China?

Would the US have to come in and save the day?

>>34752880
Hence the "sans their airfleet"

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>>34752892
india can't even properly collect tax ffs, their going to get a bad reputation for pollution sometime soon too

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what defense does India have against sub launched cruise missiles?

>>34752910
None.

>>34752910
a billion more to avenge the fallen

>>34752903
And China is so mentally weak they can't go much past a week in war exercises without mentally breaking and can't go past two weeks without state funded whores brought in.

This is a retard fight, make no bones about it, but the poos have the advantage here.

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>>34752938
?

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/over-100-military-personnel-commit-suicide-every-year/articleshow/57579464.cms

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-17936070

>>34750864
>China has not.
Tienanmen Square counts

>>34752944
>1.4 million strong force
>100 suicides

Its litterally fucking nothing.

You are starting to smell like chicom.

>>34752790
>effective copies
someone post that chink tank

>>34752965
you have literal uprisings and maoists in your various states, and even memes like khalistan exist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNqlLSUg5p8

>>34752847
kek, what DONT they use

The war would be a shitstomp for the first two weeks then all the chinks would get dysentry and other related diseases due to having to wage war in India

>>34753087
indunno, warheads seem good at cleansing bacterial life

>>34752391
You're so fucking dumb it's not even worth my to tell you to go read a fucking book. Just stfu.

>>34752468
>including Mao's heir apparent.
You don't know what the fucking you're talking about.

>>34751648
No one will know if you don't go out in public with it

>>34753015
Nobody gives a shit about maoists except chicoms, so thats basically confirmed.

I'm an american btw

>>34753418
You don't know shit.
Naxalites were a big fucking problem and still is a headach for india. In par with the uygurs for china.

Go be dumb elsewhere

>>34752903
And China has a better reputation for pollution?

>>34752903
They already have a pretty fucking bad reputation for pollution

>>34753469
>trap card activated

>>In par with the uygurs for china.
So declaring that the poos have an issue with maoists from a pro China point of view is kind of retarded, eh? Both countries had similar problems.

>>34753503
No one is saying China doesn't have problems you idiot but pretending Inda doesn't have way more is retarded.

>>34753503
You have the reading comprehension of a fucking brick.

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>>34750761
You can't make this shit up.

>>34753538
>implying China does not have the exact same amount of problems as India.

You are a true retard (or simply a fiddy center) if you think otherwise. As so aptly put; both nations are streetshitters. Both have a asinine number of problems. I could fill this thread with Chinese problems.

But India, in this fight, is stronger. More mobile, more logistically able to fight, with more assets in the theater.

>>34753652
Cool story.

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>>34750108
I have an idea, first let's look at the actual geography of the battleground most likely to be fought over.

Mainly looks like mountain ranges that make Afghanistan look small, as well as some dotted villages and shit.

Any geography expert want to give us a rundown of the terrain were gonna be seeing in this war? Because that can make all the difference.

Doklam Plateu near Bhutan is the are it looks like will go down at.

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>>34753765
Are you ready for mountain war beyond your wildest fantasies /k/!!!

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>>34753770
Like seriously imagine a battle here or some shit.

>>34750761
Well in truth both cultures share a deep reverence for public defecation. The Chinks just relegate it to their toddlers.

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>>34753765

Imagine the difficulties of air operations at that altitude. See Indian ops at the Siachen glacier against Pakistan for previous examples of the extreme difficulties.

Bonus pic: Pakistan-China border (they are friends!)

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>>34753780

>>34753785
Also the fact that fall and winter are rolling around, it could only get worse on the ground.

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It probably gets very lonely in such a remote posting but you cherish what friends you have

>>34750108
Mongolia should pitch in and get all its lands back. (No, I don't mean the Euro Migrant lands)

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>>34753811

Notice how aesthetic the Pak border police uniform is -- solid pants with woodland BDU top and YES! that is an ascot.

By the way, Poos do not stand a chance. pic related.

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>>34753788

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>>34753820
I want my mountain warfare!

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>>34752815

Channel the spirit of Uncle Ho to bring freedom back to your country.

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>>34753831

Pakistan can definitely operate inna mountain (pic related), India can try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siachen_conflict

Still ongoing on the highest battlefield on earth. They are fighting over that stupid glacier just out of spite.

>>34752885

The US would be more likely to side with Pakistan I think. India has the potential to one day challenge American hegemony, Pakistan does not.

>>34753887
Fuuuuck no.

US would love to use India to knock China down a peg or two.

>>34753887
Pakistan is a Chinese client state at this point.

>>34753912
is right. India isnt beligerent towards the US, nor do its dream-claims (ruling the Indian Ocean) really challenge us

>>34751700
>Forget the Poo memes how would Vietnam v China go today?

Drones + IR at soldier level + massive PGM air support + thermobarics = lots of dead tunnel rats

Just because it worked back then doesnt mean it has a chance of working now.

>>34753968

While a Chinese victory would be a given, the Vietnamese do have a reasonable amount of decent Russian A2AD hardware such as; AShM, SSKs, and SAMs. It would be fascinating to see how far China has come in how they would deal with these.

>>34750108
Considering that most Western Countries would have to fight on behalf of an alliance with India. Chinese are fucked.

Even the Russians would probably prefer India as an ally since some sihks/hindus hate muslims.

>>34754670
A significant portion of Russia is Muslim.
Also, China has been famously brutal with Muslims in their western provinces.

>>34754670
>fight on behalf of an alliance with India
If western countries still have brains then they won't want to do that. Because this is not like SCS dispute which has relatively vague borderlines and ductile mediate space, this time is clearly India crossed their own line and occupies foreign territory, they need to go back.

>>34751963
1. Most conflicts can trace back to late 19th century when China was losing to western imperialism power and gradually going to turmoil, which made them lose control many of their borderlines.

2.Imperial China didn't really care about drawing clear borderlines on their map due to traditional "all under heaven" concept, which is also a remote cause of many border disputes latter after they met European colonial empires.

3.China is one of two countries which has most neighboring countries in the world, which naturally also makes border disputes even harder to settle.

>>34756052
*borderlands.

>>34750108
Life over there is like an old PC game Their FOV is super low

>>34753338
>>34753344
get the fuck out you retard as you cannot seem to be able to read anything much less a book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao_Anying

>>34753785
>>34753770
>>34753780
>>34753788
>>34753831
right this would be awesome. Plus its above many helicopters maximum operating altitude, Thus it will be fun to see how everything works!

>>34753876
>Pakistan can definitely operate inna mountain (pic related), India can try.
India seized control of the glacier and Pakistan can only watch. India has beaten Pakistan down in every conflict they have ever fought.

Seriously what is with the complete BS anti-india sentiment. I mean fucking Pakistan, a country that has lost every war it has ever fought is not, nor ever will be, operator. Seriously their special forces are literally terrorist groups.

>>34753887
see>>34753952

>>34753968
>Drones + IR at soldier level + + thermobarics

>Drones
Check, but basic AA takes those out.

>IR at soldier level:
hahaha, no. China cannot even issue basic optics to its soldiers (check out all the images of troops in action and you'll notice a complete lack of optics.) This means IR at the soldier level aint going to happen.

>massive PGM air support
hahaha, again no. First off they don't have their own operational system equivalent to GPS or GLONAS, thus in any conflict when those get encrypted their PGMs turn into expensive dumb bombs. Further, most of their PGMs have terrible accuracy, +-25meters is not a PGM despite what the global times says.

>thermobarics
yeah that doesn't do much in the climate of southern china northern vietnam. Remember Thermobarics are most effective in dry climates like deserts. A humid desert will drastically reduce the power of the thermobaric weapons.

>>34754630
They have no way of dealing with these expect by face tanking the shots. They still don't practice SEAD. It will be like how Ronda Rousey tried to beat Holley holm by taking every punch directly to the face, genius!

>>34756548
50 shekels have been deposited in your account Sholmo

>>34752335
>point of contingence
You mean "point of contention"?

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This time it’s likely we will be in a full-scale war with China very soon: Meghnad Desai

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/this-time-it-s-likely-we-will-be-in-a-full-scale-war-with-china-very-soon-meghnad-desai/story-S74VHhbMKI4xqbUJqDcuAP_amp.html

>If a war is to break out in the two theatres, which he predicted will begin very soon, it will see the US and India on one side and China on the other.

>We could be in a full scale war with China within a month. At that stage it will not be controllable. It may come as a surprise, but that is when the defence co-operation of India (with various countries) will bear fruit,” Desai told IANS in an interview.

>I cannot say what day or date but I think at this time it is very likely that we will be in a state of full-scale war with China very soon. And mind you, on several fronts, not just Doklam. It is just one frontier, they will start from all places, across the northern Himalayas,” Desai, a recipient of the Padma Bhushan, India’s third highest civilian honour, claimed.

He said that India and the US have an “implicit defence relationship” and that the two countries can safely rely on each other. When asked specifically on the expected reaction of the United States in case there is a war between India and China and whether Washington would stand shoulder-to-shoulder with India, Desai responded: “Absolutely”.

>“Ultimately, you have to understand that India cannot stand up to China without American help and support. America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship,” he elaborated.

>He said that it is important to understand the Chinese thought process because they are “much more nationalistic, militaristic and aggressive” this time.

So India knows they can't stand up to China and want the US to help.

>>34757742
>some random faggot is now all of india

Kek

>>34757742
>America cannot stand up to China without Indian help. That is the symmetry in this relationship
This guy is fucking delusional

>>34752800
My cousins in HCMC say public support for the old guard is rapidly crumbling (not that it has ever been all that strong in the south)

I would not be surprised to see some sort of a civil war/revolution attempt there in the next decade

>>34757523
lol, someone get this guy his dementia meds, he clearly has not been taking them.

>>34757785
Its really hilarious to me that Vietnam may soon become a US ally. I mean, after all we did to them they seem to be viewing us as their best supporter. Same thing with Ukraine. Has the world gone crazy?

>>34757742
umm, we don't even have a verbal agreement, much less an actual treaty. The "implicit defense relationship" is worth the paper its written on.

>>34757785
>>34757847

I don't think the USA will ever supplant Russia as Vietnam's No.1 friend, but Vietnam has to know that Russia will NEVER go to war against China, because the balance in power between Moscow - Beijing has already tipped, and they share a massive border. Who know's perhaps one day in the future a US CSG in bilateral exercises with Vietnam in the Gulf of Tonkin comes allegedly under attack from Chinese forces enforcing their unilateral maritime boundaries, setting off an international incident, leading to war. That would be one of the less funny quirks of history.

>>34752806
I mean, isn't that how all small countries are treated by their larger more powerful counterparts? That's just the way of life. Personally I think it's in vietcons best interest to sway between the two countries

>>34757847
ALso, I can't imagine US troops being too keen to die in the Himalayan helping poos

>>34752857
I know right, looks kinda shitty

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Without outright American F-22 support, India's airforce will be dominated by China immediately.

>>34758306
China does not have operationally significant numbers of airframes to be relevant, yet.

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>>34758306

The AESA + PL-15 + PL-10 combo would already suffice.

Throw in the PL-XX VLRAAM, and the few Indian AWACS and tankers are also toast.

>>34758338
>>34758319
seriously, India might be able to win at Doklam due to their geographic advantage and more troops, but if the Chinese tactically retreat from the area but instead hit somewhere else (Aksai Chin etc), as well as Indian forward bases, the war will look grim for them.

>>34757742
Our "support" will most likely be ammo and weapons at most.

Right now we can take China. In the future, probably, depending on the circumstance. India isnt required now. Maybe someday. It would be EASIER with India though.

India has good relations with Russia. they should look there for a tag-team.

Russia-India vs China-Pakistan would actually be very much in US interests.

>>34758338
>falling for vaporware meme missiles

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>>34758464
So vaporware that the entire recent parade as well as official statements revolved upon the "long range" of this now-new mainstay missile.

>>34758477
You mean the parades where they showed off the pl-12?

>>34750801
China would fuck India up like it always does

>>34758092
Except Americans love to fight

>>34758571
If the common American really did there would still be a draft.

The political opposition to fighting a war in the Himalayas would be overwhelming.

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>>34758503
No.

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>>34758649

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>>34758653

>>34750108
how many days ammunition does the US have?

please post sources not opinions

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>>34758665

From the PLA newspaper:

>How much time India has left

>what needs to be said has been spoken, (we) have exercise great restraint already, be prepare for what comes next

>话已说到,仁至义尽,好自为之!

http://www.81.cn/jwgz/2017-08/04/content_7705075.htm

This is as close as we can get for an official warning. Similiar warnings have been issued shortly before the Chinese intervention to Korea in 1950s and against India in 1962 respectively.

Shit could really go hot.

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>>34758669

Thats not something they will make available. They don't even put exact numbers on weapons produced so its all an estimate, especially when you take into account their massive stockpiles mothballed in the desert. Suffice to say its a hell of lot more than anyone else. They also keep stockpiles to arm allies.

>>34758669
Iirc, there was a report from the 2000s (i wish i had sauce, sorry) that claimed some 300 billion rounds of 5.56, but im not sure how many days that is.

>>34758386
This. China is fucked in Doklam. However, the situation is reversed in Aksai Chin.

If China attacks India in Aksai CHin, does India respond in Doklam? If so, we might see equal amounts of territory change hands with relatively little bloodshed. If both choose to fight in both locations we will see the same territorial changes but with a much much larger death toll.

My Question is it politically viable for Xi jinping to back down from the Doklam fight and start one in Aksai CHin? Can he get away with this without appearing weak? If he can, would India really only fight in Aksai, or would they expand the front so as to more fully protect Doklam?

>>34758477
official statements are complete BS coming from the PRC. Seriously they have never said "Our new weapon isnt as good as what its copied from" despite their tech never performing to the level of that which they ripped off. Further, they have every incentive to overstate the effectiveness and completeness of every weapon system, because "China Stong!!!!!" is an effective opiate for their masses which are growing more dissatisfied with PRCs corruption and flagging economic growth.

for example >>34758306 The J-20 has yet to live fire a missile. Its engines still don't exist. there is no way the software is complete for full weapon system integration. There are only 10 airframes outside of the prototypes, which are not and never will be operational aircraft. Yet given all these critical deficiencies that make the F-35 program look competent, the story goes "China has a massive number of 5th generation airplanes, and will wipe the floor with any opponent just like the US could." Further, the PL-15 is a rip off of a soviet missile from the late 70s. Claiming it is a new super weapon is like North Korea claiming their late 50's era tanks are modern and super effective or that their Bi-plane airborne troops are the best in the world. Its all meant for domestic consumption by idiots.

>>34758738
>>34758672
>>34758665
Yep, those are pl-12s

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>>34758791
PL-15

>>34758788
>Its engines still don't exist
It's flying...not having ws-xx doesn't mean it's not in IOC.

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While war sucks I still want to see this conflict heat up just to see how the PLA will do in a modern conflict.

>>34758802
Being one year off of LRIP models means it's not in a western IOC.

That means pilots trained, ground crews, operationally significant and tactically/strategically viable.

Does not happen overnight.

>>34758795
>shows off ""pl-15"" with optical seeker
>now it does not have one.

Nice pl-12s senpai.

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>>34758795
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfJfaWVW8fY

Interview with J-16 driver.

At 1:01 he said it:
"This plane is carrying China's newest air-to-air missile and its range is very long"

>>34758828
That combo is PL-10 (Sino-IRIS-T advance short range high off-bore sight missile) and PL-15 long range active radar BVRAAM

>>34758708
Nice.

Curries get roasted soon.

>>34758828
are you fucking autistic?

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Modi mustn’t pull India into reckless conflict

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1059715.shtml

>India is publicly challenging a country that is far superior in strength. India's recklessness has shocked Chinese. Maybe its regional hegemonism in South Asia and the Western media comments have blinded New Delhi into believing that it can treat a giant to its north in the way it bullies other South Asian countries.

>Over the past month, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) has been on the move. We believe that the PLA has made sufficient preparation for military confrontation.

>It is a war with an obvious result. The government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi should be aware of the PLA's overwhelming firepower and logistics. Indian border troops are no rival to PLA field forces. If a war spreads, the PLA is perfectly capable of annihilating all Indian troops in the border region.

>So why hasn't the PLA started? China cherishes the decade-long peace on the border and wishes not to break it. We want to give peace a chance and allow India to recognize the grave consequences.

>China has exercised great restraint, demonstrating respect to peace and human life. The PLA did not strike in the past month when Indian troops savagely trespassed into Chinese territory. If the Modi government takes China's goodwill for weakness, its recklessness will only lead to devastation.

>The Modi government should stop lying to its people that "India in 2017 is different from India in 1962." The gap in national strength between the two countries is the largest in the past 50 years. If the Modi government wants to start a war, at least it should tell its people the truth.

Wow, these are some pretty strong words. It really feels like things to go off any minute.

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>>34758788
>Our new weapon isnt as good as what its copied from
actually they have said this MULTIPLE times. Throw state media no less.

You're just a fucking retard who thinks "China Watching" is just shitposting/read shitposts on 4chan.

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>>34758886

>>34758880
The Chinks are always saber rattling though.

>>34758708
>http://www.81.cn/jwgz/2017-08/04/content_7705075.htm
They are a bunch of idiots if they choose to fight India in the Doklam area. They have no advantages in Theatre not even the element of surprise as India has been preparing for this fight for quite some time.

>>34758653
>>34758665
>>34758649
haha, strapping it to a plane, and testing it once in an environment where you can light up the target continuously with you radar without be found out or shot at is a hilarious concept. The only thing I find more hilarious about this process is that the almost all of the stats they have claimed for the PL-15 are the same as have been claimed for the PL-8 and PL-12, which is an admission that at the minimum they were fucking lying about the PL-8 and PL-12 performance. Now if they were lying about their missile performance then, why are they telling the truth now?!

Remember all Chinese missiles are Xbox huge both in terms of size and weight, have less range than advertised, are far less effective than advertised, and contemporary russian and western missiles continuously outperform them. Also because of their size and weight, Chinese aircraft carry far fewer missiles than their russian or western counterparts, and thus have a lower overall Pk.

>>34751196
Lost two great uncles in that war. Poor bastards froze to death in the nepalese mountains.

>>34758908
>Remember all Chinese missiles are Xbox huge both in terms of size and weight, have less range than advertised, are far less effective than advertised, and contemporary russian and western missiles continuously outperform them.
you have to be pretty fucking dumb to drink your own koolaid.

>>34758908
Where did the Chinaman touch you Pajeet?

>>34758928
Chinese missiles are larger with less range. This is a fact.

>>34758908
P-15 claims originate from none other but USAF General Carslisle, who was calling for an AMRAM follow on to outstick it (and not just an AMRAM-D)

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/usaf-seeks-interim-champ-longer-range-air-to-air-416828/

>Raytheon’s AMRAAM is the current go-to Western weapon for beyond-visual-range air combat, but new long-range missiles being fielded by Russia and China are a significant concern to the Pentagon.

>Carlisle says outmatching the Chinese PL-15 air-to-air missile in particular is an “exceedingly high priority”.

>“The PL-15 and the range of that missile, we’ve got to be able to out-stick that missile,” he says.


And guess what? Raytheon failed at that. They are incapable to outstick the PL-15 with updating their old tech.

https://www.defensenews.com/smr/2017/07/27/dod-slashes-amraam-missile-buy-as-raytheon-struggles-with-tech-refresh/

>DoD slashes AMRAAM missile buy as Raytheon struggles with tech refresh

>>34758842
he equates the entire radar/missile package to Wu Ling (wuxia) top tier fighters, where he sees with more accuracy, and reacts at a faster pace.

Also that passage about ducks skimming water. This guy's pretty funny.

>>34758952
Indian Physics?

PL-15 and PL-12 are almost same size.

>>34758952
>This is a fact
you're fucking dumb.
Do you know how Russian missiles are rated on the export market? High altitude head on approach.

Seriously, don't use 4chan as your primary source of knowledge. Most people here don't have worthwhile degrees and probably can't even reach 3 digit IQ.

>>34750108
India can't stop being shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tf1VA5jqmRo

>>34758802
Not having better more powerful and efficent engines, means their quoted air perfomance capabilites (which assume the newer decade plus out engines) are complete nonsense. Hence, the J-20 is an underpowered flying brick which will get eaten alive in combat.

Further to be IOC in the west having the engines for your plane is a damn prerequisite!

>>34758842
>Interview with J-16 driver.
¥0.50 has been depositied to your account.

Want to know what gave you away? Your lack of basic english, and the fact that you believe the Chinese propoganda designed for domestic consumption. All this points to you being a Chink shit poster.

>>34758880
>It is a war with an obvious result.
oh their right about that, they are wrong about China winning in Doklam.

>>34758891
After the fact sure. Now, sources or it didn't happen. And these sources need to be about newly released weapon systems to be relevant to the conversation. ie, an article released about the J-7 sucking when the J-7 was first debuted, or the PL-12 being a crappy knock off before the PL-12 was operational, etc.

Goodluck finding such an article, because they dont exist.

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>>34758960
Yeah, those young PLAAF pilots these days grew up with Chinese web-novels of Wuxia and Manhua etc.

The J-20 pilot inteview is also interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsHnWuB8KAc

>>34758974
Oh yes, and Chinese missiles are tail aspect with speed and altitude disadvantage.

Nigger please.

>>34758986
>And these sources need to be about newly released weapon systems to be relevant to the conversation.
why don't you go find some OFFICIAL announcements from the Chinese regarding their "newly released" weapons systems? You know, the announcements where you claim they over exaggerate their capabilities.

OH WAIT, YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE STATE MEDIA HARDLY EVER SAY ANYTHING ABOUT NEW EQUIPMENT, AND YOU'RE A DUMB FUCK TRYING TO DRIVE HOME A FALSE POINT BY LYING.

Go sit in the corner, you dumb kid.

>>34759011
>tail aspect

you still believe that?

They werent tail aspect since the PL-5.

And ever since the 80s when they got Israeli Python-3s, they were all aspect with good agility.

>>34759030
Your right, it's state run and operated Chinese """"""""media""""""""" making the claims. So sorry, totally different.

>>34758958
this.

USAF a shit and dick. Raytheon kikes fuck everything up.

>>34758986
>Moving the goal posts this hard
You some kind of USAAF reject?

>>34759038
The range figures, brainlet.

>>34759011
>Oh yes, and Chinese missiles are tail aspect with speed and altitude disadvantage.
they're rated the same way US missiles are rated. Why don't you go look up 120D's performance envelope?

Listen, I know being on 4chan, where stupidity and intellectual dishonesty has no consequence can drive you to say all sorts of things so you can stroke your ego, but real life doesn't work that way.

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>>34759004
Basically

>Subsonic handling is pretty good

>Supersonic agility is supreme ("First under Heaven")

>Sensor fusion and situational awareness is kinda like you as a pilot feeling the wind on your own skin and see everything around you with your own eyes

>>34759060
>they're rated the same way US missiles are rated.

Prove it.

>>34759069
>see everything around you with your own eyes
>no HMD

Kek, nice lie.

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>>34758960
>tfw you will never talk with PLAAF fighter jocks about your favorite Wuxia stories and waifus

>>34759046
so...where are them links?

Oh right, you can't find them. Take it from a professional china watcher who can actually speak the language: most analysis you can read are written by hacks. The real stuff professionals pay attention to are either too boring for you or not accessible at all to you.

If you really want to become a PLA watcher, get off 4chan.

>>34758948
get out you Chink fucker

>>34758961
Comparing them to each other is not the point you idiot. PL-15 and PL-12 are larger and heavier than contemporary missiles with the same performance characteristics.

>>34758958
lol, you are familiar with outsticking the missile to mean being longer range right? It has nothing to do with actual capabilities, because the K-100 which the soviets built, and China ripped off to create the PL-15, had greater range, maneuverability, and was lighter than the PL-15.

The USAF is simply trying to get a bigger budget by overstating the capabilities of our enemies. See what happened with the Mig-25, the S-300, the Alpha class submarines, the Kunsetov class carriers etc.

>>34758974
And no one uses Chinese missiles because they have continuously under-performed their competition despite having stated performance characteristics superior to their competition.

>>34758961
more proof about how shit the PL-12 is.

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>>34759089
No.

>>34759079
why don't you prove your assertion first?

Oh wait, YOU CAN'T.

>>34759100
not the other guy
Where would you recommend starting? I don't speak Chinese though.

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>>34759101
China's K-100 ripoff is an entirely other missile, premiliarily designated PL-XX.

PL-15 is China's superior variant of the AIM-120D (dual pulse, lofted trajectory, 200km range and PL-12 sized)

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>>34759132
Also in service with both the J-16 and earlier J-11B.

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>>34759101
Remember to shit on the designated shitting street.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXCOUQ7ZBko

>>34759101
>And no one uses Chinese missiles because they have continuously under-performed their competition despite having stated performance characteristics superior to their competition.
Stop making shit up, fag. Your retardation is really showing.

The export weapon industry is not about who has the best hardware. It's about who gets the most kickbacks, who can force whose hands the hardest, who can "guarantee" or "remove from appropriation" the most foreign aid etc. Want a prime example of this? Look at India.

You realize a significant portion of US foreign military sale is actually paid for by the US taxpayer through foreign military aid, right?

You must be very young and very stupid.

>>34759118
I made no assertion, that was my first post.

Prove your claims of how Chinese missiles are ranges.

>>34759106
Neither of those are in the current J-20.

All this talk of missiles ranges. Is the delivery service really that important anymore?
Does your jet really have to do anything when the missiles take care of everything bvr? Is the F-35 justified?

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>>34750108
SUPER POWER BY 2020

>>34759127
For a young gun with too much time on his hands? CDF of yesteryears, I'm afraid.

My advice for you is to start with radar and missile kinematics basics. You can't break the laws of physics.

>>34759196
>My advice for you is to start with radar and missile kinematics basics. You can't break the laws of physics.
Stop pulling shit out of your ass.

>other side has better tech
Lol they are lying
>general on your side say other side has better tech
Lol he wants more money
>other side curbstomps your side in friendly engagements
Lol they were cheating
>president gets elected with help of other side
Lol they are delusional

Burgers are cancer

>>34750108
Isn't India still looking for a decent rifle to begin with?

>>34759157
poo in the loo!

>>34759175
Why would I do all the work for you?

Look at AIM-120c's diameter and weight, look at the export numbers for the SD-10. Extrapolate from there using engineering principles.

Now correlate with R-77

If you can't do that, then just sit the fuck back and shut the fuck up.

>>34759030
>>34759100
again, you have yet to show a single source. We have shown tons, (read the goddamn thread) of links stating Chinas latest equipment is awesome and the best in the world. for gods sake see>>34759069
>>34759004
etc.

You cannot support your claim and have resorted to shit posting. Now get the fuck out of /k/

>>34759050
Which goalposts were moved?
Also not a reject, never applied to USAF; however, I work at Raytheon and laugh at all the BS claims China comes out with about their aircraft and missiles. No matter what they say they are about 25 years behind the US in both missiles and aircraft. Though being that far behind the US puts them ahead of everyone else.

>>34759038
>>34759060
lol, you cannot even tell that he is using sarcasm. He is rightly mocking an over the top statement by a previous poster.

>>34759226
>Stop pulling shit out of your ass.
stop being a dumbass. Everything can be modeled. I actually interviewed with a threat assessment unit right out of college. How do you think they deliver threat analysis? By going on 4chan?

Lol, damn you fags are so dumb.

On one side you have a country meteorically rise in a time span unprecedented in history, and on the other the government can't get its own citizens to stop shitting in the streets or stop rampant rape.

>>34759275
are you autistic or do you just have reading comprehension problems?

Please stop posting.

>>34759286
>I actually interviewed with a threat assessment unit right out of college.
This is how I know you're bullshiting. Please stop.

>>34759271
Look at the 120D weight, length, diameter and range, and then compare to the SD-10, then laugh.

Chinese missiles are heavier, bigger, and have less range.

>>34759275
>for gods sake see>>34759069
Let me guess, you don't speak Chinese.

Yep. Number 1 sign of a fucking hack when it comes to PLA watching is an absolute ignorance of contextual Chinese.

Listen, we don't need more retards like you in the field, or on 4chan. Just leave.

>>34759100
>Take it from a professional china watcher

It's not every day you have a chicom come on and admit to being a state funded shill.

I will kindly disregard everything you have said.

>>34759314
>This is how I know you're bullshiting.
Did you go to a community college? CIA was also present at my alma mater's career fair.

It's ok to be dumb, it's ok to be stupid. Being both is probaby fairly detrimental to you.

Well, you've demonstrated an intolerable level of stupidity, so I won't waste any words with you.

Enjoy your retardation and poverty.

>>34759318
>pilot talking to a state run media without any free press.

Yeah, not going to belive anything that comes out of Chinese press my friend.

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>>34753811
>that PDA in uniform

>>34759192
The Chinese defecate on the streets as well. Even more so than Indians.

>>34759335
And I work at skunk works.

>>34759326
>kindly disregard
>kindly

CONFIRMED POO.

And I guess you don't even understand what the term "china watcher" means, do you?

The english should have raped you harder so you can speak their language better, Poonraj.

>>34759335
>Make unsubstantiated claim of profession
Burden of proof is on you fagmaster.

Please China, fuck up India so Trump can hand you some sanctions and get more jerbs over here.

>>34759349
well, you do smell like a skunk. So it's possible you work at the Indian branch.

How's that IT ticket coming, pajeet?

>>34759351
Wut.

Kindly is a word, you know.

>>34759132
>>34759142
hahahahahahaha ¥0.50 has been depositied in you account.

>>34759166
>Cheaper superior Chinese missiles don't get bought because China isn't corrupt enough to bribe an official
hahaha, oh man, I wish I had that gif of bender laughing for this! Seriously your claim is that despite under-performing and being always ranked below the russian and western competition, their missiles would be bought if not for a vague shadowy corrupt system which disfavors one of the most corrupt countries on the planet.

You must also believe that 9/11 was an inside job, that vaccines cause autism, and that the Earth is hollow and the center is populated with crab people!!!

>>34759226
you can't. China reoutinely claims things which are physically impossible. For example they claimed a 100 percent probability kill for their PL-10 in some documents released by the state media. They have claimed that their copper ATGMs have 40:1 penetration to diameter despite 15:1 being the limit for copper based EFP. They have claimed a supercruise ability on the J-20, despite the engines required for such capability not existing yet. I could go on, but China doesn't understand physics, nor what claims are even possible, much less realistic.

>>34759248
yeah, their insas rifle is still a POS

>>34759365
Indians use that word in Americans typically wouldn't.

For example, "kindly find the attached documents".

>>34759362
Nobody believed your fake cred and now you are just shitposting.

Classic chicom.

>>34759378
I'm from the south, and it's used all the time you retarded nigger.

Fuck off.

>>34759369
are you seriously denying the political aspect of the weapons trade?

>100 percent probability kill
Do you even know what an no escape zone is?

Look, you're clearly out of your depth. You a highschooler or undergrad? Either way, stop wasting time being a retard on 4chan.

>>34759302
Again no information is posted. you seem to lack basic communication skills, you also seem easily irritated.... I think I found the autistic one.

>>34759318
lol, you believe PLA propaganda. Good for you... now get out of /k/ you useful idiot. see>>34759336

>>34759394
>I'm from the south

explains your retardation and poor command of the English language. My condolences.

Now say much obliged, fag.

>>34759410
>oh shit I'm wrong
>better shitpost!
>poor command of the english language when I used everything contextually correct.

Again, fuck off you ignorant shit skin. Enjoy getting raped by the poos

Supposedly we have a Raytheon employee AND a bonnafide "China Watcher" all here in the same thread. Clearly 4chan's pedigree has risen in the last few years or I'm smelling all that Indian shit.

>>34759401
NEX means that th emissile cannot be out maneuvered and that is all. It does not mean that the Pk is 100 percent. You do understand that there is never a 100 percent probability of kill. Missiles fail to launch, missiles fail after launch, missiles get decoyed/jammed. To claim a 100 percent probability of kill either requires giant fucking caveats that were never stated, or a complete lack of understanding about missiles.

Hell an AIM-9X missed a fucking Su-24 in Syria because of flares. Even though the SU-24 was in the NEZ.

>are you seriously denying the political aspect of the weapons trade?
Oh their are politics in the final selection, my statements have consistently been about the Chinese offerings performing worse than their competition. You can bribe officials, but that doesn't make you missiles less accurate, with shorter range, and lower Pks than the competition. So now if you believe that its all politics, please explain why their missiles have never outperformed their Russian and western contemporaries?

>>34759422
>much obliged

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First the Paki/Muslim menace must be dealt with.

>>34759441
brah, that's a lot of words to tell me you're stupid.

Here, just type "i'm a retard".

See, so much easier.

>>34759378
It's used a lot.

>>34759450
Just keep saying, "I'm an ignorant shit skin", it's not old yet.

>>34759493
not everyone can have such a crimson complexion as you.

Much obliged.

>>34758306
Dude altitude is so fucking high i'm sure any plane will have issues. It near one of the highest mountains in the world dude. Like the idea of peak dog fighting wont be a topic, more so if the planes can deal with the ridiculous altitudes. I ain't even banking on air being a big part of this just because that. Will definitly be Arty and infantry, though Armor won't be used at all due to terrain. This is gonna be a straight up light infantry fight, where the main support will be artillery, with minor if not minuscule help from air assets.

>>34759531
Fuck, I would rather be a redneck than a chink, and I'm from NH.

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>>34759458

DELET THIS

>>34759563
>I would rather be a redneck than a chink
depends on the redneck, depends on the chink.
You really wanna be a honey boo boo?

>>34759598
I would legitimately rather be honey boo boo than Xi. Socially and culturally chinese people are scum. Their society is based off of fucking the other guy as hard as you can. Fuck, and I have never been personally burned (yet).

>>34759636
>Socially and culturally chinese people are scum. Their society is based off of fucking the other guy as hard as you can.

So, just like Americans.

>>34759662
>So, just like Americans.
Not even close, American company tells you it will do x for y, it does it or it gets fucked.

A man's word means a thousand times more in America than it does in China, even if it is depreciated.

I don't even think the concept of one's "word" means anything to Chinese. It has to be a foreign concept.

>>34759340
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_defecation

>India has the highest number of people practicing open defecation, around 490 million people, or nearly a third of the population.

>14 million chinese people openly defecate according to the WHO source: http://www.who.int/water_sanitation_health/monitoring/jmp2012/fast_facts/en/

Don't get me wrong, 14 million people is a 'shit' ton, but no where near india

>>34758571
It would be more accurate to say we love to bomb people. The fundamental American tactic is to identify enemy forces with drones and/or ground forces and then unload on them with obscene quantities of precision ordnance. Overkill is only when the JDAMs get so thick that they start colliding in midair.

There is nothing on the battlefield more dangerous than a GI with a radio.

>>34757847
>>34758092
Vietnam was pretty pro-USA up until the french-viet war. Seems like they were pro-usa after the usa-viet war.

>>34759944
>Seems like they were pro-usa after the usa-viet war.
What sort of bizarro world are you from?

>>34760000
>Despite the infamous history of the Vietnam War, Vietnam today is one of the most pro-American countries in Southeast Asia and the world,[1][2][3] with 78% of Vietnamese people viewing the U.S. favorably in 2015.[4]

Note that there was a twenty year gap where the US had no diplomatic relations with Vietnam, but since Clinton ended that, things have been peachy keen.

The Vietnamese have always known that whitey is a temporary problem and the Chinese are a permanent one. We aren't scary to them compared to China.

>>34760000
He's right, Ho Chi Minn lived and worked in the US and wanted that prosperity brought to the people of Vietnam. He just thought that communism would work out better for them instead of capitalism. He originally wanted to go the way of Tito, being neutral but still have cordial relations with both sides.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ho_Chi_Minh

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>>34751700
They shoot each other from islands, whoever lose less ships win. What they want is shipping lanes not Vietnamese clay.

>>34760044
As always, this is almost 100% French people's fault.

>French people lose the Battle of France by being massive cucks
>as a result of this, the Japanese can claim Indochina, which leads to a wave of uppity slants across Asia because yellow people beat white people
>during the end stages of the war, the Viet Minh mobilize hundreds of thousands of people, seize most of the country, and establish a democratic republic, operating as a multiparty democracy
>French people reenter, and demand that the newly independent country submit themselves to French rule
>Ho seeks some kind of compromise, and the French invite him to Paris and then jerk him around for several months while attacking his forces in Indochina
>De Gaulle demands that the US not only support their reentry into Indochina diplomatically, but financially
>US ends up funding 75% of the French war in Indochina
>French consistently undermine any credible non-communist rulers in Indochina, until the very last second, when they are forced to flee
>leave after promising to reunify the country with elections, they leave
>US ends up deciding to try and keep the Southern half of the country from reunifying with the communist part
>to add icing on the cake, French stupidity not only turns Vietnam from a neutral multiparty democracy into a hardline communist state incapable of meaningful negotiations with the US. but the resulting fight ends in genocidal maniacs taking over both Cambodia and Laos, where there wasn't any substantial communist movement before the war

Words can not express the depth of my contempt.

>>34760085
>China's claimed territory in the SCS
Holy fuck, that's equivalent to as if the USA claimed the Pacific out to Hawaii as 'US territorial waters'.

>>34760272
America generally succeeds because the other guy is even stupider.

I suspect that this will be one such case.

>>34759701
you're full of shit.

Honesty and integrity are universal virtues. But so is profit seeking.

>American company tells you it will do x for y, it does it or it gets fucked.
you clearly don't work in business.

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>>34760320
They got much more firepower anyway, bigger coast guard ships and cruise missiles. I'd rather not send our few Hawk training jets to their doom at the chink flak towers.

>>34759636
so you're legitimately stupid.

>>34759441
>my statements have consistently been about the Chinese offerings performing worse than their competition.

If anything the opposite is true.
Murica is now a cunt that can't scrape together a viable AESA radar DDG.
Can't build a fighter jet that hasn't been jewed by every faction involved in the procurement.

Russia is even worse.
S-duct is a major engineering obstacle.

Besides, you unwittingly conceded China tech is in the same ball park as other contemporaries.
In which case success comes down to human skills (think P-40, F4-F against the """mighty""" Zero in WWII. According to your bullshit, you'd be speaking Japanese or German right now).
I don't see any of your curryboo gayfu being skilled at anything other than affirmative action public sector SJW gibsmedat positions.

>>34759441
>>34760643
#REKT

>>34759462
you're reatarded

>>34760643
hahaha, and because Chinese state media says its great that means their tech is amazing!

Also you have yet to reference a single test or even a single situation where the supposedly superior Chinese systems outperformed western or even russian contemporaries. Show me the time Chinese military tech performed better in open testing than any Russian or western hardware. Would you like me to show you a couple of Chinese sailors being killed by a poorly designed door, and then using that to say obviously the Philippines navy ships are better?

>in the same ball park
much the same as a 6 year old is in the ballpark of Connor macgregor when it comes to fighting. Both have two arms, two legs, and know how to kick and punch.

>success comes down to human skills
and you seem to think the Chinese have it. India has been in active continuous fights in the himilayas for close to 3 decades now thanks to pakistan. When is the last time China got into a shooting war? Oh that's right, they haven't and I will not suck Chinese dick and say they are the greatest when they haven't even fought anyone.

>>34760738
>Would you like me to show you a couple of Chinese sailors being killed by a poorly designed door, and then using that to say obviously the Philippines navy ships are better?

Would you like me to show you 7 americans sailors killed by shitty skills, and conclude Philippine deckhands are superior sailors?

>Indians
>skill

>>34760272
China's logic is
>If I take island then 200Km radius is mine
>If I get another island within 200Km then 200Km around that island is also mine
>Also underwater rocks also count as island if I fill it with sand and make it an island
All because they claim they found a Qing Dynasty map that shows the sea belongs to them.

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Live fire drills in Tibet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efe4iZ78Txo

>>34760622
Most Malaysians believe their air force to be the most powerful in Southeast Asia. If so, a few air defenses should not give them any problem.

It's like I'm on defence.pk.

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>>34761246
Most Malaysians don't even know what is the military service rifle much less what the air force uses and everyone thinks Vietnam and Singapore wields the biggest air force around.
Besides China didn't push their claim much on us these days, even their coast guard went home. Must have something to do with giving them a deep water fishing terminal and buying 4 and up to 18 of their ship for the Littoral Mission ship program.
Making us fork up US$60million/ship for a boat with 1x30mm and 2x .50 is gut wrenching though. Oh well, it couldn't be helped.

>>34760601
Both chinks and americucks are greedy amoral assholes thanks to capitalism. Adam Smith, a scot, is the father of capitalism. So, really it's all scotland's fault that the world is fucked.

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>>34761327
Besides with politicians like this who needs enemies?

>>34752851
Have they replaced the INSAS with the EXCALIBUR yet?

>your gun is so shit you need to bring in colonial advisers from britain to fix it

>>34760601
>you clearly don't work in business.
You clearly don't.

American company breaks contract, they get sued and fucked. Chinese company breaks contract, their government protects them.

Simply put, chinese are not honest. They say they will do x for y, then don't. Many of my partners refuse to work with them simply because by the time you spend the money to quite litterally baby sit them, it's not worth it. You send orders out to Germany, Japan, Korea, they get it done and get it done right. If on the off chance that it's fucked, they fix it.

>>34761457
>You send orders out to Germany, Japan, Korea, they get it done and get it done right

German Diesel, Takata airbags, Hyundai transmission...comes to mind.

>>34761457
>American company breaks contract, they get sued and fucked.
ahahahahahahahahahaha
bitch you're DUMB.

>>34761457
>>34761525
holy kek REKT.

>>34761525
Them fixing it also comes to mind, at cost no less.

Thanks for making my point.

>>34761737
>>34761729
>contract law does not exist for foreign companies in america
Kek

Seems I have triggered the chicoms.

>>34761742
Are you so fucking dumb that you don't understand exactly what happened to vw and takata?

Holy shit man, read some real business news once in a while.

>>34761762
Nah, you're just really, really dumb. I'm not really sure why your mom didn't abort you.

>>34761359
He is only toeing Najib's line

>>34761767
Do you?

VW, for example, had an issue and fixed it AT COST.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2017/04/14/volkswagen-group-2-liter-diesel-settlement/100464244/

Are you fucking illiterate you didn't read "If on the off chance that it's fucked, they fix it"?

>>34761779
Not an argument, chicom.

>>34761801
You know they cheated the emissions tests, right? Like, are you fucking serious?

>>34761831
It's not an argument. It's a statement of fact. You're a fucking retard.

>>34761857
Are you?

Here is what happens when you cheat the US.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/10/25/volkswagen-settlement-approved/92719174/

Largest settlement EVER.

You are making my point.

>>34761801
Wait, do you not understand what a settlement is?

>>34761863
Not an argument, chicom.

>>34761866
Holy shit your stupidity is overwhelming.

I guess vw cheating in the first place fits your original narrative?
>You send orders out to Germany, Japan, Korea, they get it done and get it done right

Buh bye DumDum. Hopefully you get smarter soon. But I'm not holding my breath.

>>34761871
Uh, yes, they are being forced to fix the cars. Hence the difference between us and China.

If you don't keep your business obligations, in the US, you get fucked.

>>34760643
>Russia is even worse.
>S-duct is a major engineering obstacle.

Kek, you have sources?

>>34761905
The original point was if you screw over people in the US you get fucked.

>.50 centers equates fraud in the US to China.
https://www.ft.com/content/28600412-f251-3d5c-85ee-4d9c90670fb1

>Over 4 in 5 Chinese companies hit by fraud in 2016

>OVER FOUR IN FUCKING FIVE COMPANIES DEAL WITH FRAUD.

>>34762076
>https://www.ft.com/content/28600412-f251-3d5c-85ee-4d9c90670fb1
>“Fraud in China has become increasingly complex and challenging. A quarter of survey respondents, a higher proportion than all other countries and regions surveyed, indicated that they were dissuaded from operating in China due to concerns over fraud and corruption,”

holyshit I never knew it was that bad.

>>34760878
hahaha, you don't seem to realize that current the ACX crystal is liable for damages to the USS fitzgerald because of failure to follow COLREGs right? A container ship that doesn't observe proper sealane behavior and causes the death of 7 US sailors is not the US navies fault. Whereas a door designed for the PLAN by the PLAN, killing two sailors when the first wave hits it is indeed the PLAN's fault.

Second, Indians has far more actual combat experience recently than China. China's last fight was in 1979. India's last skirmish was in 2017, and last real war was in 1999. So yeah, I'd say the Indian's are currently more skilled in warfare than the Chinese who still script most of their wargames. That's right China still writes a play by play script for most of their wargames that details how the wargame is going to happen, and deviation from that script is not allowed.

>>34761014
funny thing about that map is they won't even let their own scholars see it. I mean, if it exists why haven't they shown the world, much less their own historians?

>>34750108
In 1987 both sides mobilized tens of thousands of men over Tawang but then the diplomats got together and they decided not to go to war after all because they both wanted to concentrate on economy. Same thing will happen again.

>>34758909
Which side were they on, Anon? Gotta be a pretty interesting part of family history, right there.

>>34753887
No. It would side with India. China is the biggest threat to US dominion in the pacific. And soon the west coast too if they don't stop China.

China already owns the US financially.

>>34759598
Yes. That would mean i'm free.

>>34763754
>China already owns the US financially.

Pure memes.