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>implying the MS-18E isn't a huge fucking waste of money

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>implying the MS-18E isn't a huge fucking waste of money

Let's look at the facts shall we

>Lightly armored
>no fucking staying power
>has basically 0 idle time if you need close support
>is ground based instead of space based
>main armament is the ZUX-197 Jagdgewehr 192mm Shotgun
>using a fucking pump action shotgun instead of a rifle
>Max battle load only carries 30 rounds (not including the Beam Saber and 60mm Vulcan
>ZUX-197 carries 9 rounds and 2 can be put on the MS-18E at a time.
>360mm Giant Bazooka II carry 5 rounds each, the MS-18E can carry 2 when at full battle load
>2 Sturm Faust
>the reactor is too small so it has to eject the hard point locks as well as the weapons after use making it way more expensive for repeat sorties than the MS-06
>reactor is also too small to reliably use a beam rifle without risk to the MS-18E running out of juice because it has no staying power or idle time
>despite this the MS-18E carries 2 beam sabers instead of the much more energy efficient heat hawk

Can we agree that the MS-18E program was a complete failure and that the MS-06 will always be much better?
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>>34747459
Tell that to Scarlet team.
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>>34747459

You must be lost, your posting in /k/, not /m/.
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>>34747500
>implying a zaku II isn't a weapon
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Kampfer is a specialized platform.

The Zaku is general purpose.

You really can't compare them.
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>>34747518

>it's anime so its not really
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>>34747459
it was developed for covert operations, where it could be smuggled in hard to trace parts to be resembled behind enemy lines, attack his objective, then be discarded once the mission was over.
also, hello /m/
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>>34747610
>developing a mobile suit to only run one sortie
>building a suit to only run one sortie

I guess we know why zion lost
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Fuck all ya'll this is the most /k/ gundam that ever existed.
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>>34747657
sadly is true, Federation had infinite funds and superior manufacturing capabilities
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>>34747715
The red version is better
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>>34747757
But much less Dakka
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robit gunsaur is also pretty /k/
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>>34747778
Nah, the purple one has four gatling guns, but they're of a much smaller caliber and the arm mounted magazines are smaller capacity as well. The red one has a single much bigger gatling gun with a big back mounted drum
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>>34749030
How much ammo can it carry
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>>34749030
Dakkasaurus Wrecks

kms
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>>34749078
About 350 and two giant guns that put battleships to shame.
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>implying the RX-79 [G] isn't the best

>Can deploy anywhere on earth or a colony
>Amazing fucking staying power with that armor
>Has 80% parts compatibility with the RGM-79[G]meaning you can actually get parts to repair the thing.
>Reactor and frame are strong enough to heavily modify if need be as seen in the EZ8 or the various RX-79 (G) models with GM parts.
>Can use pretty much every standard Feddie weapon
>capable of carrying own supplies and extra weapons in a back pack (name one other MS with this capability built in).
>can be dropped anywhere with the Parachute Pack
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>>34749166
Ah the Liger Panzer, why where you in such a shit show
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>>34749065
Also if we're going to go full ludicrous. The Unicorn full armor setup is pretty gnarly. 6 quad laser gatlings, looks like two ginormous rocket launchers and gobs of missiles.
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>>34747715
Nah bro. Aside from the backwards holo sight (REEEEEE) the Jesta is obviously the most oper8or of MS.
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>>34747715
JUSTICE RAINS FROM ABOVE
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>>34747459

>hurr durr my specialized high speed low drag close combat monster isn't as versatile or have the staying power of a general issue suit

Getting killed by vulcans is pretty sad though.

Too bad the Kampfer is rad as fuck
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>>34749367
I'll give it style and stealth points, but how about the GATX105?

>Alright....lets take a gundam....now shove an F-15 Active up its ass.
>Wait wait! It needs more DAKKA. Minigun!
>MOAR!
>Twin-linked Anti-Air Flakk guns?
>MOOOARRR
>fuck it! Twin linked machine guns, swords and a gundam-rifle as backup!

>>34749375
STEEEHLL RAAHHHHNNNN
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>>34749402
The kampfer was made to go fast and slay bodies, hit an objective, and then get the fuck out.

And that's exactly what it did

As long as that fucker was moving the responding forces couldn't lay a finger on it, it massacred an entire team and all the ground based teams they could throw at it

It's only when the moron stopped and whipped out his beam saber that he got finished, he stopped moving

If a Zaku tried to do what that kampfer did - one without plot armor - it would have gotten wrecked inside of a minute.
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>>34749529

And that's why you never rely on drunk russians to do anything
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>>34749484
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>>34747459
>Thumbhole stock on weapon

Was this mech designed after the AWB?
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>>34749179
Except for the fact that being a ground gundam it can't fight in space.
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>>34749582
Was the Gouf a ground only unit? because the damn thing should have won the show it was in twice
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>>34749646
It was.
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>>34749646
Yes, it was pretty much a Zaku that was optimized for ground combat.
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>>34747459
>>implying the MS-18E isn't a huge fucking waste of money
It isn't real, so no money was spent
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Zeon fights for a righteous cause. (((Earth)))noids just want to exploit us because they've fucked up their own planet.
Gas the colonies, One Year War now
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>>34747459
The MS-18E was designed for lightning raids and hit and run attacks. Which it performs very admirably. Don't know why you're complaining about it having no armor, cause it has to be light as possible to be fast.

Comparing it to the Zaku II and saying the MS-06 is better is comparing apples to oranges. The Zaku II was designed to be a general purpose mobile suit. So comparing it to the Kaempfer is stupid.
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>>34749646
The gouf was ground only, yes.

Zeon is kind-of WWII era Germany from the point of view of nips half a world away who see the conflict as a bunch of white people killing a bunch of other white people. As such they are plagued with the issues that Germany had - an absolute shit tier logistics system, inferior resources compared to their opponents, and a retarded competing superweapon program that had companies breathlessly moving from one design to the next in an attempt to outdo each other... making their logistical nightmare even worse.

Because why win the war with one superweapon when you can underfund a dozen?

They even had the late war problem of keeping all their aces in the cockpit until they died rather than sending them home to train the next batch, so you had children (or in some cases fucked up force-light clone children) flying advanced platforms and getting destroyed.
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>>34749529
A Zaku took out the Alex though
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>>34749793
>tfw you'll never have a couple dozen Purus for hugs and not fugs
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>>34749646
It was. EZ8 and heavy arms are my favorite gundams. But Norris's Gouf was my favorite mobile suit in the show
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>>34749689
Zeon lost any meaningful right to complain it might have had when the Zabis murdered its creator and then puppetized it. They want everyone under their thumb, and it's idiots like you that enable it.

Enjoy your corrupt nobility god kings throwing you into the meat grinder to save their own worthless hides
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>>34749810
That Zaku failed, and you're ignoring the "without plot armor" clause.
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>>34749847
The Alex was rendered inoperable for the rest of the war and the zaku pilot was turned into hamburgers. Doesn't sound like failing or plot armor
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>>34749840
Enjoy your corrupt globalist technocracy you mindless drone. Your soul is weighed down by gravity.
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>>34749823

The creepy as fuck ZZ novelization apparently states that the later clone Purus (once it was realized they were failures as newtypes) were redesigned as ultra-fertile officer's wives in order to birth as many newtypes as possible. They were also designed so that contraceptives had no effect on them.

Which explains why Marida got dem abortions and hysterectomy.
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>>34749881
Marida had a hard life.
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>Not just nuking eveything and playing for both sides because fuck it
get on my fucking level
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>>34747459
>No GF13-050NSW Nobel Gundam
>No qt3.14 jailbait Swedish Gundam Fighter
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>>34749867
>keep changing the Zaku rifle when the original is clearly a best
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>>34749867
Enjoy your retarded ideology that isn't even internally consistent.

ironic slinging around terms like mindless drone when you're so eager to jump to the defense of the Zabis, who are objectively filth and the reason you lost the war in the first place because they couldn't stop bickering or actually set a concrete goal.

Your soul is weakened without gravity, like the rest of your body, leaving you susceptible to this peculiar madness. Enjoy throwing your children to their doom in the name of your endlessly wealthy murderer overlords
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G Gundam was more fun as a show than any UC show.
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>>34749997
The original is the best Gundam. War in the Pocket is second best. 0083 is great solely for the mecha porn.
MS 08th Team is a fucking meme.
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>>34749997
True, but only by virtue of it being very intentionally bad. It's like comparing Jackass to a documentary on south american birds; the latter may have far better production values, better lessons, prettier visuals, and all that, but... you're still probably gonna have more fun watching people get slapped in the nuts with flyswatters.

The only real downside there is that, for all it's zany bullshit, it's still preachy as fuck like every other Gundam series.
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>>34750035
>08th MS Team is a fucking meme.
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>>34750107
It really is. The one thing everyone jerks off over MS 08th Team (muh NAM with gundums) is only a thing for the first half, and then it turns into the sappiest Romeo and Juliet shit ever.
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>>34750107
Honestly if you've seen the Gouf vs Ez8 fight you've seen really all that show has to offer. 2nd half is just weak.
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>>34747459

You posted nearly the same thread in /m/ days before this
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>>34750035
God damn 0083 is beautiful.
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>>34750035
>>34750185
0083 also has the best opening songs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoplnxPv-J0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l8zX6AGJeI
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>>34750150
>then it turns into the sappiest Romeo and Juliet shit ever.
>implying this is any different than the second act of the vast majority of gundam series

Meanwhile the actual fighting is easily some of the best in the entire franchise.
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>>34750216
Eh...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYe_-oFkMaI

Say what you will about the series, but the building tempo of the booting sequence in the first ten seconds... that's all I need.
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>>34750228
>implying this is any different than the second act of the vast majority of gundam series
"no"
>Meanwhile the actual fighting is easily some of the best in the entire franchise.
Like the other guy said, the only fight that's memorable is the Gouf beatdown with the dismembered arm.
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>>34750150
The second half has one of the 2 best fights in all of gundam history in he Norris V everyone fight
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>>34750228
Of all the OVA's 08th's second half is the weakest, even behind Stardust's, which is saying something considering its laughable love triangle subplot. Honestly you could just watch the Gouf custom battle.
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>>34750258
>Like the other guy said, the only fight that's memorable is the Gouf beatdown with the dismembered arm.

Bull-fucking-shit

The entire bridge attack with the Flight Type Gouf is fantastic, the ambush on Topp's Zaku team is amazingly done, and Eledore operating the beam rifle of a beheaded mass-production type is suspenseful as all hell.

Look, I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that 08th MS is the best gundam series, or even close. OG is amazing, and both War in the Pocket and 0083 are outstanding, easily better. All I'm saying is that the unique setting and storyline of 08th deserves credit. Also the bonus episode is trash, I will give you that 100%
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>>34750335
>All I'm saying is that the unique setting and storyline of 08th deserves credit

The 08th has superbly choreographed action scenes and they really are all quite solid. But the story of the second half is its weakest link, and this is pretty reasonable considering the director actually died during production.
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>>34750246
I remember watching Wing as kid, didn't remember the opening being so amazing though. Too bad the rest of show didn't look nearly as good.
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>>34750395
It had two intros; the other version is pretty shit.
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>>34750402
Thank you! Plus, let's be honest here, it's refreshing to see the gundam setting established as something other than "Who has the bigger sword" trope that pretty much every other series goes by. The writers recognized that the mobile suit could be treated as just another weapon of war, allowing for more emphasis on characters while keeping combat interesting (not to say that they did a good job with the former). I don't like all this newtype, "spirit of the gundam" bullshit. It was nice in the original series, but by the time we got to ZZ and Zeta it was just a stupid meme shoehorned in just to advance the plot, or provide some to begin with. If you're going to write a show about the human condition and preach to me for a whole series about what it means to be good or evil, don't make your characters fucking space gypsy robot-whisperers.
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>>34750469
And the Turn A itself is a very visually unique (and cool imo) Gundam. Based Syd Mead knocks it out of the park again.
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>>34750488
ah fuck, I responded to the wrong post.

>>34750469 was to >>34750370
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>>34750216

>dat Mio singing both OPs

She's a goddamn 80s classic.

Also Cima>Nina.

>inb4 shit>Nina
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>>34750513
A fellow patrician I see.
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>>34750488
Turn X >>> Turn A
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>>34750513
>>34750514
>not the big brown amazon mechanic
nigs please
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>>34750530
I wish there were kits of Turn X before it got damaged.
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>/k/ has better Gundam threads than /m/
every time
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>>34750570
What about that anaheim girl that literally died so you could pilot the biggest baddest gundam of all?
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>>34750613
yeah nah, I'd rather have a big swole wrenchmonkey gf
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>>34750611
We have a deep appreciation for the technical side of the dakka.
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>>34749810

Took out an Alex with a test pilot who against orders fought the Zaku on the ground of his own choosing with his own traps, and still died

The Kampfer bought the farm against the Alex after beating down a bunch of other dudes
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>>34750653
also there's no autist spamming felcher gundam and trying to bring up IBO every single thread
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>>34750631
>>34750631
>I met her in a hangar on a feddie base
>Where you work with grease and it smells just like cherry cola
>See-O-L-A cola.

>She walked up to me and she asked if I fly.
>I asked her name and in a dark brown voice she said, "Maula"
>M-A-U-L-A Maula, Ma Ma Ma Ma Maula....
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>>34750675
Aye for me it's just the sheer fun of seeing how many guns can be bolted to a mech and some how make it theoretically viable. Also giant robots smashin stuff.
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>>34750692
The pseudo-/pol/ memes about feddies and zeeks is also pretty fun.
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>>34750710
Don't ever forget it.
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>>34750718
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>>34750308

Eh, I enjoyed 08th only because of the interactions between Norris and his charges, the steadfast father figure trying to support his wards as he increasingly realizes that one of them is batshit fucking insane and there's really only one way he can help the other achieve her goals.

If you don't watch the rest of the series you don't get to understand the significance of what the gouf is doing aside from kicking ass and why he's doing it.

Also he has the raddest mobile suit and the best fight in the entire universe and the best death.

Aside from his character arc I agree 08th isn't that great.
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>>34750514

Mio is mostly doing JAM Project and revival stuff. Good, but the days of her ruling the TV OPs are sadly over.

Also

>only a couple Cima doujins that aren't scat
>even less of them are scanned

suffering.jpg

>>34750570

She's got Keith already.
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>>34750876
>She's got Keith already.
a guy can dream can't he
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>>34750674
When the Kampfer fought the Alex the Alex shrugged off the best hit the Kampfer had and just straight up raped it.

All the Kampfer did was blow up 3 MSes because they were dropping and couldn't shoot down without risking civies
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>>34750739
Yea it is tragic because if he wasn't so steadfast on making absolutely sure that girl was safe he could have won that fight too, but he was too worried about the timing that he gave a good target to get that last tank killed
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a fucking giant mecha shotgun
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>Not building asstons of (Rick) Doms
>Not standardizing cockpits
>Building Gelgoogs instead of Action Zaku's
>Letting M'Quve be gay as springtime

It's like Gihren couldn't even Hitler despite totally being Hitler.
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>>34750395
They never showed Wing's second OP on Cartoon Network. We also didn't get the ED
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>>34750913

Pretty sure the Kampfer takes out like five GMs and some guncannons iirc, but it's been awhile since I watched it

Also knocked off the Alex chobham armor set

Actually it has been a very long time since I've seen it, did they fix the Alex armor when Chris takes it out against Bernie in the end? Or did the Kampfer's sacrifice make it possible for Bernie to get his hit in?
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>>34751002
During the final fight there are no MSes on the entire colony other than Bernie's Zaku and the Alex. The Alex has no extra armor and the only weapon the Alex has is 500 rounds in the right arm with the left arm being empty, the vulcans being empty and there being slight damage to the v fin. Also I am pretty sure Chris is left handed as the only time you see the Alex using the right arm is when shooting Bernie during the last fight. Both times the Alex draws the sward (though she doesn't use it the first time) it is left handed.

So basically the Kampfer took out all the back up, destroyed the chobham armor, and wasted the ammo forcing Chris to use her weaker arm to shoot during the fight
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>>34750969

space hitler was never as good as regular hitler
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>>34750611
Because /m/ threads are about >muh beams spam, >muh story, >muh superior Japaneses voice acting


Where as /k/ threads are about a bunch of gun nuts in their moms basements attempting to figure out the logistics of using different robots in an advertisement for toys that tries to hide itself by being a cartoon for children
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I'm not sure if regulation allows for these tats.
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>>34751208
is this thunderbolt
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>>34751219
yea
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>>34751165
It also doesn't help that /m/ has terrible mods and a culture that is one of the most contrarian on this whole site.
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>>34747459
Epyon was the best gundam of all time.

>Aesthetic as fuck
>Zero system

Shit could have beat wing zeros ass; had hero been piloting it. and wingzero was OP as fuck.
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>>34751256
The only board where you'll find unironic Harmony Gold apologists.
>terrible mods
*no mods
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>>34751228
:(
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>>34751256
Also the extreme need to reply to obvious bait.
>mfw its another zeta thread
>mfw there's 6 other zeta threads with similar/same topic on the catalog
>mfw there's literally copy and pasted opening posts
>mfw /m/ replies to all of them
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>>34751268
I never fully understood how that "zero system" worked. Was it basically a combat information suite that triggered your dopamine receptors or something the longer you used it making you go nuts or something?
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>>34751290
Spacenoids deserve it.
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>>34751268
>Shit could have beat wing zeros ass; had hero been piloting it. and wingzero was OP as fuck.

The self destruct on that thing is that strong?
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>>34751298
is this an edit?
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>>34751311
Thats the problem with giving teenagers mutli billion doller rock'm sock'm robots.
They just break the shit
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>>34751268
Didn't Heero give up Epyon because its Zero system was based on Trieze's ideals and Zechs was a better fit? And of coarse Wing Zero was OP as fuck, it made Blonde boy actually man the fuck up and do something and might have gotten him laid after fighting that blonde chick with the split eyebrows
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>>34749367
>backwards holo sight
Are you retarded or have you never seen a 512 mounted?
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>>34751437
Maybe he's confused it with the actual sight that looks like a backwards EOtech (I think it was made by Sightmark or some other gyppo chink optic company)
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>>34751303
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMs8KKuT5Iw
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>>34751449
You're thinking of a jewish product. It was called the Hartman something, now it's part of mepro.
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>>34750971
Damn, well that explains it.
That OP has the best depiction of the Wing Gundams in anything I've seen. The details and proportions are seriously fantastic.
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>>34751461
cheers thanks.
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>>34751501
it gets better rather than showing the ED, which had Heero in a not-nazi OZ uniform, Cartoon network just cut up the 1st OP visuals and add the rock techno track over it
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>>34749367
>backwards holo sight

Are you this stupid or is this bait?
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>>34749484
Seed suits are garbage
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>>34751322
No, this actually happens in the show.
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>>34747536
>Posting on Anime image board
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
Read more on this topic here - https://archived.moe/talk/thread/1694/


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