Are open bolt weapons that easy to make automatic? Just trying

>>34745888
If you do some basic thinking on how they work, you'll see why they're so damn easy to convert.

>>34745922
And for the less mechanically inclined of us?

>>34745991
You literally just remove the trigger disconnect.

>>34745991
The action is on autopilot essentially when the trigger is pulled, and releasing the trigger will just activate a catch to prevent forward travel of the bolt again. Nothing complicated.
It doesn't need all the odd complications in order to ensure 1 shot per trigger pull of a semi auto.

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>>34746026
BUSTED

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>>34745888
Getting that homework in OP?

>>34746026
FBI I DO NOT KNOW THIS MAN

>>34746048
>>34746061
Knowing how a thing is done is not the same as doing a thing. If I couldn't figure out how to convert that simple a mechanism at first glance, I'd be a pretty shitty Engineering Technician.

Its essentially a more controlled slamfire with the proper spring and weight that keep the bolt closed during peak pressures. I always laugh when retards say they can make anything automatic by fixing the firing pin or grinding the sear.

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>>34746056
the fuck is this

>>34745888
The ATF didn't decide to stop new ones, companies just stopped producing them after the KG-99 was deemed readily convertible and they were forced to change the design.

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>>34746145
Summer school project.

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>>34746072
Engineering Technician, huh? Hold on while I call for back up.

>>34745888
>ATF descision
When will this meme die?

There was never a decision or law that banned production of open-bolt weapons. It was actually the industry that stopped making them. All the ATF started to do was name certain open-bolt guns as MGs, the industry took that as the ATF was going to start classifying all open-bolts as MGs, so manufacturers stopped making them in favor of straight-up machine guns.

So this whole 'ATF open-bolt ban' is misleading, ATF never explicitly banned open-bolt semi-automatics, industry merely interpreted the classification of certain open-bolt pistols as a new policy and merely stopped making them on their own accord. So this is actually a self-imposed ban.

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>>34746056

Oh dear....

>>34745888
Why would you try and search a justification?

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>>34745922
how do they work?

>>34746072
Say goodbye to poochie

>>34746056
>please stick to /pol/
>make sure you visit /pol/ (>>>/pol/) and not /po/

Seems like their project is limited to /pol/ and any other activity is just summer shit posting as usual.

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>>34747901
There better be a penis under that maid uniform

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hide your dogs

>>34747303
>All the ATF started to do was name certain open-bolt guns as MGs
Where's the list? I want to know what my legal options are.

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>>34748394
It's literally just two guns. mac 10/11 and tec9
It's fudlore that has been spread forever. The only reality is that the atf is made of faggots and could declare every gun ever a machinegun, and that hey refuse to approve new open bolt designs for interstate commerce.

>>34748523
And the KG-9 and a Sten carbine

>>34748523
I suspect a dual disconnector setup would appease the ATF if you were to submit a new open bolt design. Or maybe you could just get away with it now since it's not like the ATF is consistent.

>>34748523
>>34748549
What about Sterlings and Uzis? Are they specifically banninated? Or does everyone just assume they are?

>>34748586
Dunno about them because the ATF never made a ruling regarding their legal status as Title I and Title II firearms.

When Uziel Gal was designing the UZI carbine in the late 70's, the request he design it to fire from a closed bolt is BS. Uziel designed it that way because it couldn't be readily restorable to a machine gun if Action Arms wanted to import it. So redesigning it to fire from a closed-bolt was merely browny points to make it extra importable.

Also, the Department of Treasury, believe it or not, were the ones that banned the importation of those open-bolt .22 LR rifles made by Voere, not the ATF.

>>34748586
The only open bolt designs specifically considered machine guns are KG-9s, SM10s/SM11s, and the Stens. Everything else was just not left up to chance.

There's no legal basis for this, either. They simply don't fit the definition of a machine gun under the NFA and them being easily to turn into a machine gun is irrelevant, but hey, we let the ATF do what it wants.

>>34747957
Oh there is. Don't worry

>>34748825
>them being easily to turn into a machine gun is irrelevant
Except the Firearm Owners Protection Act updated the definition of 'firearm' in the NFA to include any gun that can be readily restored to a machine gun.

>>34749579
No, it didn't. All of this is the ATF deciding they don't like it. Even the "once a machine gun always a machine gun thing" has no legal basis other than the ATF saying so and, in fact, has a court case virtually deciding that it's complete bullshit.

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>>34746047
Have you ever tried it dude? Like when hanging out with your dog? Asking for a friend I'm definitely not atf.

>>34749849
What court case is this? I've never heard of the ATF getting slapped on the wrist for determining that a mg converted to semi-auto only is still an mg?

>>34745991
I personally failed to do it myself, can we meet in real life, or as we anons say irl some time and you show me how to do it

>>34750356
ATF almost 99.9% of the time withdraw the charges relating to gun-stuff they're wrongly interpreting so that nothing is ever set in court precedent against their draconian bullshit rulings.

you'd be surprised to know that VFG's on a pistol are legal though that won't ensure the ATF doesn't hate fuck your wallet through the court system only to pull out of the charges...

U.S. v. Davis, Crim No. 8:93-106 (D.S.C. 1993) (Report of Magistrate, June 21, 1993)

US v. Fix (UNITED STATES of America, Plaintiff-Appellee, v. Lawrence Christopher FIX, Defendant-Appellant. No.00-10789. August 29, 2001)

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>>34750356
>What court case is this?
Vollmer Co. Inc. v. Magaw.

"Having examined the Bureau's arguments from text, structure, legislative history, and underlying policy, we find no reasonable basis for its once-a-machinegun-always-a-machinegun interpretation of the Firearms Act. Nor are we persuaded by the district court's own explanations of why the Bureau's position was nonetheless substantially justified. Although, as the district court observed, the Bureau had followed its interpretation of the Firearms Act since at least the early 1980s, we do not see how merely applying an unreasonable statutory interpretation for several years can transform it into a reasonable interpretation"

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>>34746026
Listen here you little shit

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>>34746026

>>34751836
So ATF has just ignored this for 20 years?

>>34751967
Basically, yea. It's only a circuit court, so they don't want to appeal it but it's precedent. It's also ignored the NFA and numerous court cases about the legality of VFGs on pistols, too, which is that they are perfectly legal.

>>34751979
I also don't understand why their rulings carry legal weight when they cannot make laws.

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>>34746026

>>34751991
They don't carry legal weight unless they have some basis in the law. People are just afraid of court or being raided by trigger happy police.

Also the laws are poorly written in a lot of ways (see: sporting purpose requirement for legal importation of arms that doesn't actually define what a sporting purpose is or is not).

That's how we end up with a ban on barrels attached to machine guns, for fuck's sake.

>>34748646

Most people don't realize Treasury Department handles most of this shit. Street Sweeper, USAS, etc. Before the ATF came around in the 70's, Treasury Department was doing most of the shit anyway. Reason why they're called "tax stamps"

>>34752109
Yes, people don't realize federal legislation used to be enforced, for criminal violations, by the FBI and, for tax violations, by the Treasury.

It's shit like this that makes me wish ATF agents were gunned down on sight.

>>34748586
>Uzis? Are they specifically banninated?
That would be antisemitic goy!

>>34752040
>a ban on barrels attached to machine guns
???

shits so easy, even building a full auto open bolt uzi out of a semi auto closed bolt uzi is simple shit. i think the full size uzi is one of the easyist guns to convert to full auto if you have a parts kit, next to a secound gen ps90, ps90 you literally make a slit in the "saftey sear" and just remove a sear. the ak is simple too but takes a little more skill becuase you ahve to drill a hole and cut a piece of the lower rail and have a fa bolt carrier and fa saftey and fcg but once you get that shit figured out you will start to notice that alot of guns function the same in full auto.

>>34752273
In 2005 the ATF banned the importation of barrels in parts kits that were once "machine guns" by stating that they were "machine gun parts".

>>34752346
ffs

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>>34746056
>Attached is a tutorial video on how to start a "thread" on 4chan

>>34752769
Ain't it great? The only reason you're not building 129 dollar open bolt Uzi kits with their original barrels is because the ATF said so, not the law.

>>34753448
My friend that I am asking for wants to know if someone that isn't us should accidentally the bravo alpha tango foxtrot

>>34753474
Whether they should or shouldn't is irrelevant. If they do, they do. If they don't, they don't. They are who they are and the only decision you can make is how you react to it. They certainly haven't build much goodwill among the firearm community, so I think people will be pouring more spirits than tears.

>>34753514
built*

>>34753474
If you come at the king, you best not miss.

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>>34746026
SAY GOODBYE

>>34746145
Fake

>>34755979
You wish.

>>34752296
Get gen 1 you just move a spring over ? Help

>>34745888

Anything is easy to convert if you know what you are doing and have the right class III, title 2 SOT tac stamp. Just like putting spacer under an AK disconnector to get binary or FA or a modified AR disconnector to do the same.