Why are stick grenades no longer used? Would they not accurate

>>34745029
heavy

>>34745029
>Why are stick grenades no longer used?
bigger so you cant carry as many

>>34745029

Too many faggots in the Corps, Army, and Navy would try sticking it up their ass.

>>34745029
From what I understand the Chinese still use them.

>>34745029

No one peels potatos anymore in the army.

>>34745029
They'd have to tell everyone it's not suitable for use in close quarters combat.

Speaking of, I'd admittedly like to fill one with cement and start clubbing.

>>34745052
this

>>34745055
this really doesn't mean anything given that they also use C96 based SMG

>>34745073
this could be solved by adding a string to it like a bolo or making the stick out of aluminum

>>34745065
>this really doesn't mean anything given that they also use C96 based SMG

Can you post source? I'm actually really intrigued.

Why not make Stielhandgranaten with retractable, telescopic stems? You'd have the increased throwing range, due to the lever, and it wouldn't roll away, it would still be ergonomical and easy to carry.

>>34745029
We use the M203 and MK19 for that role now.

>>34745202
http://modernfirearms.net/handguns/hg/ch/type-0-e.html

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>>34745251
yup, these are better. better range, accuracy, weight and size.

Weight and volume. Infantry is burdened heavily enough as it is. Also the M24 grenade had more shock than shrapnel, which didn't matter much at the time. Today a lot of soldiers are carrying splint vests too.

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>>34745029
40mm is all you need

>inb4 muh wants not needs

Yeah I know, but it's in your best interest in terms of shit you can carry to just use an m203

>mfw I'll never own an M79 grenade launcher cut down like a sawed-off shotgun

>>34745029
It's better to have 12 smaller grenade's than 6 big grenade's

>>34745052
Found the salty chair force POG

>>34745231

Waste of money.

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>>34745146
>adding a string to it like a bolo
Can't see how that might go horribly wrong. And a light handle wouldn't stop it being bulky as shit.

>>34746213
>And a light handle
a thin handle would

>>34745029
>Why are stick grenades no longer used?
Cheaper to produce and easier to carry pineapples. Modern grenades evolved from that model.
>Would they not accurate to throw then a round one? And you could throw them further.
The difference between stick and round grenades' distances and accuracy is negligible. Where it is a legitimate issue there are all kinds of grenade launchers that outperform stick grenades in both categories.

>>34745146
>>34746213
>bolo grenades
>two grenades connected by a string, to be thrown at the legs of your enemies
Fund it.

>>34745146
At that point you may as well just have pipe bombs and such.

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>>34745319
If you were a full on 3rd world shithole that had a large stash of 40mm grenades, could you make a 40mm mortar?

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>>34745029
>>34745231
>>34745146

everyone leaving out the fact that a stick based grenade like that directs the blast in way worse then a spherical ball shaped hand grenade

over 9000 hours etc

>>34746326
stick grenades didnt have frag at all, they relied on the concussion to kill people

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>>34746319
their construction doesn't lend itself to that, they're meant to be shot out a rifled barrel and the range wouldn't be very good relative to mortars. you'd be better off making break action launchers.

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>>34746351
separate frag sleeves were available

>>34746402
You inspired me to do some reading on the system and holy shit their high-low wizardry is cool as fuck

>>34746351

>concussion based

then why does it have a stick attached to it ?

so you can throw it into a building from down the street ?

KOBE !

how about a grenade that kills via overpressure AND flings bits of metal everywhere ?

>>34746384

mien sides

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>>34746239
Thinner and shorter handle, maybe. Something like pic related is a more compact option. Even then, the smaller size of a ball grenade is a worthy trade-off for throwing distance, as is the spoon safety feature.

>>34746499
You could put a spoon on a stick grenade, if you didn't design it while drunk off potato vodka. RGD-33 is an example of wonderful form with poor execution.

>>34745267
>http://modernfirearms.net/handguns/hg/ch/type-0-e.html

I don't care if it's not a practical weapon, that knife stock thing is legendary.

>>34746351
Soviet RGD-33 could be oufitted with thin metal jacket to turn it into defensive grenade, relying on increased amount of fragments instead of force, although without it did function as offensive grenade with low fragmentation.

>>34746591
It's "You see, Ivan..." tier for sure

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>>34746443
If you want an offensive (blast) grenade you need a thin casing. To get a defensive (frag) grenade, you need a thicker casing. If you wanted both, you'd need in between, so you'd get a grenade with neither a particularly lethal blast effect nor a particularly effective frag pattern. To actually get both, you need a grenade with a much larger explosive charge and a thickish casing. Which would be be pointless, because the whole aim of an offensive type grenade is to reduce the risk of friendlies being injured by frag, with reduced effective radius as a trade-off. If you just want to kill folk, go for frag: If they're close enough to be killed by blast, they're close enough to be killed by frag.

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>>34746443
Has a stick so you can club people with it and give them a concussion before it explodes.

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>>34746429
>>34746402

they make great anti infantry mini bomblets like ww1 level effectiveness

>>34746794
>Fucking badminton birdie feathers
islam is a hell of a drug

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>>34746794
HEDP can punch thorough the turret roof of a T55 and some places on the turret roof of a T62

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>>34745058
> I'd admittedly like to fill one with cement and start clubbing.

They would do that with the Mills bomb in WW1, but filled with lead, and then mounted on a tool handle. For when you had to go medieval.

Just make the handle from plastic explosives

>>34745058
I remember reading an autobiography where a canadian solider beat a german trench raider to death with a stick grenade that didn't go off

>>34746428
Is that a Splitterring?

>>34747873
Demoknight time lads

>>34745231
Because there's no need for them. It's a stupid outdated design meant for Eurocucks who throw like girls.

>>34745352
i wanna see you roll a 40mm down a hallway or toss one into a window

>>34747916
yeah repro though, smooth real ones were available at numrich, guess they sold out.

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>>34745029
We already have M203s, Mortars, revolving grenade launchers, Mk19s, and CAS. Therefore, any gap in a soldier's ability to engage the enemy at range with a grenade is easily filled by any of the above mentioned weapon systems. Who cares if a stick lobs the grenade an extra 20 meters?
The stick is bulky, and limits the shrapnel radius as well. Considering that in Iraq and A-stan grenades were often just used to clear rooms and structures with suspected insurgents, and not thrown over the frontlines like in the killing fields of previous conventional wars.
I have never thrown one, but I imagine that the trajectory of the stick grenade would be far less predictable, and unsafe for its operator, but that is just speculation on my part.

>>34747985
You would just use a normal grenade for that though, the conversation chain was specifically about the uses of a stick grenade.

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Maybe it's stupid, I'm not an expert on grenade throwing techniques (pls no bully), but carrying a tool like pic related could perhaps solve the handle problem by only having to carry one launcher. If the grenades were spheres, they could then be thrown much farther.

>>34747932
Black Scottish cyclops time bois

>>34748200
You are mostly right, except your lack of physics knowledge. The whole ideal behind a stick grenade is it flips end over end and follows a more predictable and accurate arc. It's much easier to toss a stick grenade into a foxhole or window without much training.

>>34748555
this is a European/American difference though, americans at the time could all throw baseballs incredibly accurately and it directly transferred.

A folding handle would keep it from being bulky, but I like the idea of the dumb lacrosse scoop thing to toss them. Then again accuracy could be a problem. I guess it's really different preferences. I would prefer the stick, but some salty fuck marine somewhere worships m67s and all he needs to do is lightly lob it around a corner.

>Also I'm building a stick grenade out of original parts that I bought off of ebay from people who dug them out of the ground

What about a rifle grenade that could also be used as a stick grenade? Could that actually work, or is that just Sparky-tier retardation?

>>34748342
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/M203_grenade_launcher
This whole weapon system is smaller than your grenade throwing tool would be.

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>>34748778
Well, the idea would be to use regular grenades, only fielding one type, it would also be more convenient than stick grenades. But I see your point. Pic semi-related.

>>34748342
Good for tennis balls. Not good for heavy grenades.

>>34748899
The thing is grenade tactics have changed to mainly room clearing. There is no need to throw them further than a man can. If they do, they use a rifle launcher or rockets or artillery etc.

>>34745035
pussy

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>>34748342
>Build 10,000 of these out of aluminum
>Spray paint them olive green
>Sell to some African military as a new experimental weapons system
>???
>Profit

>>34748313
got me

>>34745319
BINGO

you want to send a grenade further than you can throw a little pineapple? just get your 203 gunner to do it.

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>>34745146
>this could be solved by adding a string to it like a bolo
So you want them to wear grenades around their necks?

>>34745146
I can tell you never threw a grenade or trained troops on how to throw grenades. This is possibly the worst idea that I've ever heard in my entire life. I beg you to never have children. And if you have children, you should end their lives quickly but humanely.

>>34750031
shut up

>>34746402
grenade launcers are rifled?

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Why don't they just attach grenades to frisbees?

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>>34750094

>>34745029
Fragmentation > explosive (generally speaking for infantry combat)

Light weight > heavier alternative

Is it just me or do the wood on those stick grenades look like they're of ridiculously high quality? Especially for something that's meant to explode.

Would it ever be practical to duct tape an M67 to a stick and throw it?

>>34750031
I know you thought this sounded clever and snarky, but you sound really autistic for overreacting that much to someone shitposting, anon.

>>34750897
That's just the standard tool handle wood Hickory. Looks good with a nice coat of oil on it.

>>34750897
Welcome to the world of German warfare logic.

>>34749215
>optimism
what is volley fire

>>34748342
>Jai alai grenade throwers
fund this in africa LOL

>>34750410
Mooom!
Anon is posting cool toys I don't have

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>modern stick grenade but the entire stick is also grenade

This stackable grenade I've read about seems really cool. Is it practical in battle?

Never thrown a grenade before, but could you throw a pineapple grenade like a football and get some spiral on it?

>>34748899
That awful fucking face paint job

>>34751403
they are not aerodynamic or symmetrical, so I doubt that

>>34750410
Clean that fucking bore.

>>34745073
The stick grenade can be thrown further than a pineapple/baseball grenade from every position. It also tends to stay where it lands, rather than rolling around/away. The stick acts as a pivot so it generally stays within the length of the stick, whereas a round grenade can easily bounce and roll for a pretty long time

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>>34745058

>>34750157
This is best idea. Start a gofundme.

>>34748903
It would help you throw farther, no doubt, but it would take serious training to make some accurate with it

>>34752057
>>34751403
You could definitely impart horizontal spin on it, but it's not going to do anything effective for you.

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>>34748342
For when you need that 75 yard grenade.

>>34752246
i forgot my goddamn link
http://www.royalmontrealregiment.com/canadian-innovation-lacrosse-sticks-to-throw-grenades-in-1915/

>>34745029
we have tiny mortars and grenade launchers so no need

>>34752246
What if enemies also have lacrosse sticks?

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>>34752215
>>34750157

Germans experimented with this late in the war

Source:http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/Little%20Known.htm

>>34752606
Best
Locrosse game
EVAR.

>>34746591
Fuckin chinese make everything multipurpose. Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b60OZhrTB6o&ab_channel=est

>>34752156
Which is sometimes exactly what you want.

>>34750907
You'd better tape it fucking well, otherwise the two parts would separate while throwing, so you'd watch as an empty stick flies towards the enemy while a live grenade rolls around one metre behind you.

>>34750157
>throw a frisbee at a slight angle
>it falls back to you and kills your squad
ok.

Why not have telescoping handle grenades for in case of you need long distance grenades and also small grenades?

>>34746319
probably not, the projectiles need rifling to deactivate their safeties.
>>34750094
at least the american m203 and m320, yes.

>>34752615
that's slightly retarded

>>34745029
40mm grenade launchers.

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>>34748342
>grenade not firmly in your grasp, but still near you, with the fuse started

>>34745055
the chinese used these to great effect during the (last) korean war.

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>>34752606
>>34752887

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>>34745335
>the M24 grenade had more shock than shrapnel
It could be fitted with a shrapnel sleeve.

>>34745029
It couldn't one-shot light classes after the damage nerf, which was pretty much the only reason anyone used it to begin with.

>>34757615
Damn it, I was going to make that joke

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How about we bring back knee mortar

>>34757352

Not certain about the German design, but at least Soviet grenades had problems with their separate shrapnel sleeves. Namely if thrown so that they landed on hard surface, the impact could detach shrapnel sleeve.

>>34745073
So why not have the whole Grenade be filled with explosives?

>>34749215
Related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-lJZPF_fJQ

>>34745029
The US grenade is like a baseball because baseball was your favorite sport.
The Stahlgranate is like an axe, because axethrowing was a favorite kraut sport, and such design was a good idea back then.

You're not projected to throw a grenade farther than 30ish meters, and they're not gonna land super accurate anyways, so a smaller easier to pack grenade is a great option. Also rockthrowing is hella more common than axe throwing around the world, so making them small and spherical is a good idea all around.

>>34761840
Rifle grenades.

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white guilt

>>34745146
Surely wasting that much aluminum would be unnecessarily costly.

>>34745029
modern grenades are meant to be used for close quarters combat, If you need to throw them far you get someone in your unit with a grenade launcher attached to their rifle, every third soldier will have one nowdays, Sure you can throw stick grenades far, but they wont be as accurate as a grenade launchers, I'd rather carry more grenades for close quarters while keeping some soldier equipped with grenade launcher for mid/long range.
rather than having everyone carry stick grenade which honestly are overkill for what modern grenades are used for.
Think about the usual situation in which a grenade is used, it will usually be used to clear a small room, and you can throw in a couple if needed, and the fact that they move around it's also a blessing, you don't want them throwing ur grenade back at you which is damn easy when it has a stick attached to it which makes them more visible, easy to grab and throw back.
I don't see in what situation it would be worth it to sacrifice number of grenades for an extra few grams of explosive, grenades will be used to clear rooms either way, anything bigger than that and you are better off getting someone with a grenade launcher or something heavier.