If I asked a gunsmith to put dovetail iron sights on a modern

>>34724166
If he does, he won't say anything because that would be a lost customer. Are you willing to possibly be secretly judged by a gunsmith?

>>34724166
no.

he couldn't give a shit. Probably one of the more reasonable request he has received. he wants money.

I wouldn't think so, you're not trying to get an eagle engraved on it or anything stupid like that.

You're not a big fan of optics?

>>34724166
There are plenty of traditional hunting rifles that come standard with iron sights. Look for "Africa", "Safari", "Alaska" in the model name. Mostly .375 H&H and larger

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>>34724166
>would he think that I am a retard?
Not as much as me
>fuck doing easy stuff myself: the post

>>34724166
Get a Savage Hog Hunter instead?

>>34724166
I'd be happy if someone asked me to do that because it's not retarded and it's really fucking easy. Most people are like:

"lol, can u make this full auto?"

"I completely disassembled this gun for no reason and now I don't know how to put it back together"

"Can you fix the timing on this old worthless piece of shit revolver? Oh, nevermind. I don't want to pay that much"

>>34724361
How much would it cost? Not OP, but would also like a Ruger American with irons.

>>34724245
Why are iron sights now a "option" instead of a standard? Hell I wouldn't not buy a rifle if it doesnt have them.

>>34724475
I would charge 55 to 85 dollars plus the cost of the sights. Cutting a dovetail with a milling machine would only take 10 minutes.

>>34724166
Yes and he'd be right.

If you want open sights get a short barreled gun in an appropriate caliber.

Open sights on a 16" 30-30? Brilliant.
Open sights on a 24" .308? Retarded.

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>>34724502
I'm in the same boat. Optics are really overrated, considering the bulk and complexity they add to the rifle. Irons are almost as good, but so much simpler.

I wish more mfgs would put them on rifles other than their 5lb .416 Rigby "guide" model. Some people enjoy plinking in chamberings that aren't $5 a round.

>>34724502
Non meme answer? Because they suck shit.

A guy with optics and very little trigger time can shoot as well as an experienced shooter with irons past 100-150 yards.

>>34724569
Most iron suck, though. Peep sight is where it's at.

>>34724166
Just quit fucking about and get a SCOUT Rifle truck gun

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>>34724361
>fix the timing on this old worthless piece of shit revolver

Do all revolvers have "adjustable" timing?

I have a Ruger Security Six that's in decent shape, seems to function fine. but it has a feint drag line around the cylinder where I guess the the locking lever or the pawl is touching when its not supposed to?

does that mean it needs timing adjusted?

>>34724585
>never learned how to shoot without optics

>>34724585
So do irons suck or do inexperienced shooters suck?

>>34724663
>inexperienced shooters suck
is the answer

old timers and military vets are pretty accurate with irons out to 300yds give or take

>>34724603
Correct, certainly a little better than Patridge. Both are pretty effective in their own respects. But that extra bit of sight radius really does it.

>>34724654
Revolvers don't have adjustable timing. When the timing is fucked on a cheap revolver, the gun is spare parts because the repair is worth more than the gun.

>does that mean it needs timing adjusted?
No, that's normal.

>>34724654
Yeah, that just happens. You can have the cylinder blued and that line will go away for a little while. If it's a gun you use fairly often, just don't worry about it.

>>34724654
That's entirely normal. Go look at one of Hickok's videos where he shows off his Model 29 that he got back in the 70s. It has a fairly deep line and tens of thousands of rounds through it, but it still works flawlessly.

Most guys looking to hunt with open sight bolt guns are hunting big nasty animals at 100 yards or less. For that, a big bullet and the ability to keep calm are more important than long range accuracy. The mfgs know their market in this, thats why you can plenty of 375H&Hs and bigger with open sights. It simply doesnt make sense on a 308 or smaller

>>34724603
>>34724690
Most hunters would only want dovetails mounted as a backup in case their scope fails or something. I don't think a peep sight would be useful in this role considering the rear it would block the scope. With dovetails you would be able to keep them on the rifle as a backup while using the scope

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>>34724721
>>34724773
>>34724790

Okay, thanks.

Yeah it's not a safe queen by any means, just a range toy.
but i don't shoot it that often. Just wanted to be sure I wasn't ignoring a maintenance issue or something, i'm kinda new to revolvers. but this is fun to shoot.

Should be easy enough to do yourself OP, just watch a few youtube vids and don't Bubba it up.

>>34724809
Fair point.

Patrdige style sights are underrated. On a decent quality Kalashnikov, 400-500yd hits on torso's is pretty doable.

Most medium game shots are <200yds. With a bolt action rifle and irons, you should be able to take most game, with a fair margin for a humane shot.

Short of varmint hunting, they're pretty viable for most situations.

>>34724166
Make sure they're night sights and you get a suppressor for covert ops hunting.

>>34725542
>not using a crossbow for this

It's like you don't even want to be silent.

>>34724166
"hey gunsmith can I pay you money so you can make it that I can actually aim my rifle?" this is about the most reasonable request you can make of a gunsmith, and most gunsmiths are old anyway and will appreciate somebody using irons "like back in mah day"

>>34724658
>>34724663
>>34724679

There is no debate, guys. Optics are better. A red dot or reflex sight is faster than irons. A magnified optic is more precise than irons.

Sometimes things catch on because they're better.

>>34725818
>I can't shoot irons worth a damn

>>34724166
just get a cz bavarian style 550

>>34725818
>glass doesnt break or crack, especially under adverse conditions, such as rough handling

Optics-only is well and good on your safe queen.

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>>34725903
>Optics-only is well and good on your safe queen.

>>34725888
Not an argument

>>34725903
>I'm le navy seal

You don't do shit. Professional hunters don't use irons unless it's close range dangerous game. Look at Steve Rinella. He spends weeks in awful conditions tracking game and guess what? Just uses a scope.

Remind me which military units are using only iron sights.

>>34724502
Because most bolt action rifles will immediately get a tasco/bushnell/Simmons scope slapped on them and be used for hunting. The extra time and money needed to put irons on a rifle is better spent drilling and tapping the barrel instead.

>>34724166

no matter what you do, some one out there will think you're retarded. Do what makes you happy.

>>34725986
>Soldiers rely $2000 dollar optics on mil-spec M16s, that means I should trust my $80 Primary Arms red dot and PTAC Ar

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>>34726438
At what point was Primary Arms mentioned?
>Strawmanning this hard

>bolt action
>iron sights

fuck off OP fudd faggot. true red dot is master now. i bet u think 3006 bullet is "cool"

fuck off fudds, Grendel, Blackout and Whisper are the kings now and they just took a big steaming shit on the face of Weatherby, Rugby and John Moses

>>34726734
>muh meme rounds
30-06 will plow through things your Ar15 never could.

>>34726438
Aimpoints and eotechs are ~$500 poorfriend.
Mil-spec just means standard and lowest bidder.

>>34724654
Just use a sharpie on it.

>>34726006
>drilling and tapping the barrel

Do you like to play roulette with your extremities?

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>>34727084

>>34724166
There are some hunting rifles with dovetail sights. Just be sure your barrel is thick enough for them.

>>34724166
I asked my gunsmith to do that once. He said he could and would but, it wouldn't be cheap because drilling the holes in the exact right place is difficult.

Little did he know my pre-conglomerate Rem 700 was pre-drilled for iron sights.

>>34724361
I need an old .22lr topbreak's timing fixed and barrel relined, could you give me an estimate?

the pawl and internals don't need to be fucked with, the cylinder stops are peened and need to be beaten back into shape with a brass punch/ filed flush to the original depth of the cut

>>34724166
Check the CZs and Savages for rifles with irons

>>34727469
Holy shit I apparently know nothing about firearms.

>pawl
>peened
>topbreak
>cylinder stops

Are we talking about a revolver? Because this is all jargon to me. How can I not be fudd?

>>34727519
>How can I not be fudd?
By owning a scary salt rifle?
I don't think you're using that word correctly.

>>34724617
>scout
>truck
any other memes you wanna add?

>>34727555
See, this is why I need to learn about this shit. I'm just some guy with a striker-fired pistol I got a few months ago as my first gun

>>34727479
The Ruger scout is pretty nice too. You can put the scope on in the normal rear position but you have to remove the rear iron sight to do so, but with the picatinny rail I'm sure there's some option for a forward mounted rear iron.

>>34727586
We were all newgunz once.
For future reference fudd is a derogatory term for gun owners who exclusively own bolt action rifles or revolvers.
The type of person who owns guns but also believes that 'military style weapons' have no place in the hands of civilians.
They don't actually believe in the second amendment.

>>34727631
Thanks, mate. I'll just lurk more.

>>34727631
the person you described does not exist outside the minds of people on /k/

>>34727561
it's not a meme if its real
a scout guns makes a perfect truck gun
its not even a question

>>34727658
I wish that were true. I just described my uncle and both his sons.

>>34727658
You obviously never lived in a rural area

>>34724567
>Open sights on a 24" .308? Retarded.
Why? Long sight radius is great.

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>>34727688
The perfect truck gun is a coach gun with slugs in a belt-mounted carrier.
Good out to 100+ yds on anything CONUS can throw at you, legal in every state, quick to load and bring into action, cheap enough you won't be sad if it gets stolen.
This is not up for debate.

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Does anyone have a comprehensive list of modern hunting rifles that come from the factory with iron sights?

>>34727808
Theres only a few that are going to cost less than $1000 and shoot something thats smaller than a 375H&H

>>34727658
that is bullshit. Hang out at an older gunshop more often.

>>34727808
Does she fuck the goats?

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>>34727688
>>34727806
>>34724617
>truck gun

>>34727806
Why slugs and not buck?

>>34727846
I do
And never have met anyone like that. Its a fake meme people here made up.

>>34727808
This is a pretty good analogy for our policy in the Middle East.

>>34727658
My uncle owns shotguns and hunts ducks regularly. He does not believe anyone has any business owning "military style assault weapons with thirty round clips."

>NRA pre1990's
>Any elected Democrat official in a rural area
>Bill Ruger
>Many Trap shooters
get out of your mom's basement anon.

>>34727859
Not true. work in gun shop, have people complain about others buying AR's and open carrying all the time.

>gun shop
>man open carrying, looking around
>Man comes up to complain and ask if he is a police officer
>its a gun shop man..........

>>34727857
Range, barrier penetration, performance against dangerous animals.

>>34727944
>NRA pre 1990s
You mean before the gun makers started pumping out ARs?

>trap shooters
lmao fuck off back to your "nugget" you fag

if he does just find another smith, he's turning down a paying customer for a job that is in no way unusual.

>>34724872

Jesus christ, ruger revolvers were fucking shitty back then.

>>34726734
Im sure thats why the same 20+ grendel and blackout uppers have been for sale for the past year on my local armslist, all sub 200, all relisted every fucking week, many offered without fail every time i list a gun for trade.

>>34727808
Why would you go outside in a bikini with such pale skin?

>>34727808
get a CZ. they make rifles in dozens of calibers from .22 up to 458 win mag and most models have a iron sight model

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>>34728539
Trying a little too hard there.

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>>34724569
>Optics are really overrated,
Some places like where I live they are kinda useless. Scopes don't do well in thick forests.

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>>34728231
my dick was shitty after i fucked your mom in the ass back then too

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>>34728231
I have an old one. It's actually not shitty.

>>34727981
>>34728539
>>34728575
>>34728617

when the fuck will summer end?

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>>34728660
>thinks its summer
guess its time for you to retire old fudd

>>34728599
Even a 1x?
Surely even just having your target and sight on the same focal plane is a huge benefit over irons.

>>34727968
What do you say in that situation? Do tou stay polite and professional or do you get snarky with them?

>>34728539
topkek. saved

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>>34728700
When I took that pic the deer just came out of nowhere and I actually heard it before I saw it. Lifting a rifle and putting irons on it is a lot easier than looking through a scope.

>>34727440
That sounds like a shitty or very lazy gunsmith. "Drilling holes in the right place is hard" Is this nigga for real?


>>34727469
Fixing thy cylinder stops doesn't sound to terribly difficult but re-lining barrels is kind of a pain on revolvers. That's an hour or two on a lathe. Depending on how the revolver is built, it might not even be possible to reline it. I'd say that's 200 bucks or more depending.

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>>34728882
I'm a machinist myself, learned on old 50's era engine lathes and bridgeports, but I don't own any machines myself.

pic related is the same model that I have, you can see the old style "plunge milled with a endmill" cylinder stops, the edge of which is peened back into the cutout area on mine

>>34724216

Bolt guns with irons are a e s t h e t i c

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>>34728985
yes

>>34728966
You can buy .22lr barrel liners from brownells for 40 bucks. You just have to drill out the barrel to the diameter of the liner and solder or loctite that shit in. The tricky part is just getting that barrel perfectly centered on the lathe. 4 jaw chuck + dial indicator would be the best way.

>>34727808

She qt

>>34724475
Depends on a few factors, but generally with a sporter barrel you have to:
>mill a dovetail for the rear sight
~10 minutes' worth of work
>either braze or silver-solder the front ramp on
This is the hard(ish) part, as both processes can fuck the finish up to the point the entire barrel needs to be refinished to be "right" and 100% requires stripping any paint-on finish to adhere properly.

Rarely is a sporter barrel thick enough to dovetail in a front sight.

Without refinishing you're looking at between $50 and $80 in labor plus the cost of the sights, which range from $30 to over $200 depending on the style and brand you want.

>>34729010
sounds like a plan, but I have no means to do that kind of work.

>>34727782
Because it's a rifle designed for medium to long range (over 250 yards), and even an excellent shooter cannot align iron sights precisely enough to CONSISTENTLY place rounds on target from field positions in adverse conditions with them.

>>34724663
Both.

An inexperienced shooter can cock both of them up pretty easily (although far easier with irons).

Irons are slower, less precise, and less visible in poor light than optics. Literally their ONLY redeeming quality is they are fairly durable.

>>34725997
>remind me which military units are using only iron sights
Plenty. All the poor, third-world ones.

>>34729115
>Irons are slower, less precise, and less visible in poor light than optics.
This entire sentence is false.

>>34728530
Because there's a cameraman waving money around out there.

>>34729156
...

no

>>34729084
What are you even talking about? Long sight radius helps when shooting with iron sights - yes or no?

I want summer to be over.
>>34729193

>>34729195
Compared to short sight radius yes.

Compared to a magnified optic no.

Compared to a non-magnified red dot/reflex/holographic optic, depends on the size of the aiming dot but still usually no.

Since in this case a "24 inch barreled .308" retains ballistic capability at ranges far exceeding most shooters' capabilities with iron sights BUT NOT with magnified optics, putting iron sights that are only good for humane kills to ~200 yards on a rifle capable of humane kills at 4-5x that distance is kinda dumb.

>>34729211
Please explain why scopes are even a thing then if iron sights are so demonstrably superior under all conditions then, fuckwad.

>>34728702
I personally stay polite and professional and just remind them we live in a free state and are in a GUN SHOP.

others that i work with arnt so nice about shit. my owner can be downright rude

>>34729256
>Please explain why scopes are even a thing
It compensates for people who can't get close enough or sit in tree stands on deer shooting ranches. Look at a bow hunter.

>>34729287
So they're better in all categories, if these "bad hunters" can use them and be successful when they couldn't be with iron sights, exactly the opposite of what you claimed.

Got it.

>>34724502
my remington model seven 7mm08 came with irons. Good gun, but for 700 bucks you might find something nicer

>>34729309
Not that guy but you don't own any guns do you.
>notice it's not a question

>>34724166
No. As a gunsmith, i can honestly say that i and basically every smith i know would take your money, run a dovetail cutter on your gun, and install the sights without giving a fuck.
That's a reasonable, practical request. We're not going to judge you for wanting iron sights. Now if the gun is like zombie green or hello kitty themed, then yea, we'll judge.

>>34729341
Start throwing pics of yours, because clearly you're too retarded to have actually figured out how to get a form of government-issued ID.

>>34729394
Just as I thought.

>>34729341
This.

Few guys in this thread that know better than every advanced military in the world. We need to tell NATO that optics aren't as good as irons asap

>>34726760
8mm Mauser will plow through things your Springfield never could

>>34729256
>Please explain why scopes are even a thing then if iron sights are so demonstrably superior under all conditions then, fuckwad.
I don't have to explain that because I made no claims about scopes. My claim was about a rifle with a 24" barrel compared against a 16" barrel when both have iron sights.

>>34729519
>advanced military
Sometimes I go hunting with a friend of mine and he has a Cessna 180 on beach tires. I need to tell him he needs an F-22 because that's what the military uses..

>>34729580
.50 BMG will plow through things your Mauser never could

>>34729156
Huh? Irons are faster... arguably... depending on what you are shooting at, conditions, etc.
But the last two are absolutely true.

>>34727658
>it was real in my mind isn't a valid argument
wowww antisemite kys jewhater

>>34728702
>snarky
just tell them to fuck off; they have no business messing with yours
>be polite to some stranger who out of nowhere comes up to be an asshole to you
cuck

>>34728557
There's a CZ 550, in .505 Gibbs, sitting at the local big box store right now.

>>34728539

People are only getting mad at this meme because its fucking true.

Bolt Gun Master Race actually uses their rifles.

>hunting
>precision shooting

AR fags just shoot at steel targets at 50 yards

>>34727806
ah the poor man's double rifle. Brit expat detected.

Seriously though, solid choice.

>>34729640
Shifting goal posts.

Optics are objectively better than iron sights for nearly every scenario. 'Need' has nothing to do with it.

I don't need a rifle chambered in .45-70 to hunt deer, but that doesn't make it worse than a .223 rifle.

>>34724166
Yeah bro he will laugh you the heck out of the store

>>34728882
92% of the work is setting and zeroing the barreled action on the mill. 7% is the disassembly and reassembly of the rifle. Rest is the drilling and tapping.

I charge full 1 hour of work, 130€. It would not take so goddamn long if I could keep the jigs and shit ready setup in the mill but it is used for other work too so I can't.

>>34728498
link? im in the market for a fairly low cost blackout upper.

>>34724166

>ruger american 16"
>300blk meme cause I like reloading and experimenting
>shitty homebrew suppressor
>no optic, cause I'm not hitting shit with 220gr past 150yds
>install partridge sights
>Ultralight brushgun/"scout" rifle, minimal sound

Dumb?

>>34733026
>>shitty homebrew suppressor

>>install partridge sights
>Seeing anything

Nevermind. didn't think this through.

>>34733067
So use a red dot of some form up on the receiver, should have no issues providing clear LOS over your can.

Alternatively make a ~1.25" OD can instead of the standard 1.5" OD and see about a taller front ramp to clear it.

Hell honestly with a tall enough front ramp you could even do a receiver-mounted peep sight.

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>>34733067
put the sights on the can