I can't decide on a fucking first handgun. I've researched

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>>34717264
Sorry OP, but you're a massive fucking faggot and beyond saving. Neck yourself before you reproduce.

>>34717264
Get a .41 Magnum

>>34717284
Nah.
.45 GAP is the future

>>34717264
Okay you fuck, let's start off one step at a time

What is its purpose going to be?
Carry + range or just something to have for fun?

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>>34717264

I'm the same way. Get 9mm Glocks as a good, pragmatic foundation then expand into the revolver, 1911 or HK world. You'll never be satiated by one type of handgun, believe me anon

>>34717311
home defense
range

no carry

I can't tell if I want something ezmode like a glock 19, a nice 9mm like a CZ 75 variant, or something big dicked like H&K 45 or glock 21

>>34717346
Okay So you want a nightstand gun, Do you live in an actual house or in an apartment where over penetration is a concern

>>34717264
if its not a 1911, then 9mm

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>>34717264
.380 ACP

>>34717383
Actual house atm but I'll be moving into an apartment within the year

>>34717264
Go and shoot a few and find what's most comfortable for you.

>>34717264
9mm.
Seriously, you get much more to choose from that way.

>>34717264
Just get a 9mm, if you are a first time gun owner.
>Cheaper to shoot
>Easier to shoot out of similar gun
>Kills nearly as good as .45

Only real reasons I can think of for .45
>Better suppressed
>You live in a state with mag cap limits

>>34717437
which 9mm though, all this decision making is making me just want to buy a glawk and call it a day

>>34717405
Okay so you should be fine with anything in 9, 40 or 45 as long as you don't get any over-pressured rounds
I personally recommend 9mm because it's cheap, common and gets the job done just fine, ignore the memes on this site
Now, since carry isn't an issue, go for a full size
What is your budget?

>>34717264
I mean you would be wrong if you didn't get a 9mm

Get a 10mm faggot I recommend a glock 40

>>34717477
That's when you get into the nitty gritty. Honestly, I don't think Glocks are all that great as is, but the aftermarket for them is miles ahead or any other gun. And if you decide you don't like it, you will most likely be able to sell or trade a 9mm glock within a week. My go to recommendation is:

>If you only want or plan to buy 1 gun and don't absolutely need a mounted light (or a ton of options of WML at least), get a G26. You can always put g19/17/18 mags in it, but if you decide to carry, it's super easy to. You only lose out on sight radius and a little velocity.

>If you plan to buy more guns in the future and this is going to mostly be a HD and range gun, go with the 17, throw a light on that fucker, switch out the sights for something worth a damn. The 19 is fine too, but kinda useless if you have a 17 and a 26.

>>34717264

Regardless of how much you buy into the caliber wars, you'll be able to buy and shoot 3 boxes of 9mm before you can buy two boxes of 45.

Yes I'm in the 9mm fan club but if you want to shoot often and get good it's 9mm or 22

>>34717548
aight thanks

i think im just gonna pick up a g17 or g19. the CZ 75 can wait for another time

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>>34717264
Get a Rossi Ranch Hand

I got a cz-75 because its what my friend had and I got the most range time with cz's.
They are little expensive though. I love mine. I cant wait to get into aftermarket parts.

My next gun is going to be a SIg SP2022 or a Rock Island 1911. Whatever is more available

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>>34717346

If you're not going to carry it get a fucking target model not a midsize, glock 34 or glock 41, they're the size of a 1911 yet still manage to have a greater barrel length. If you don't want striker fired, it's not as hard as the retards on here claim to learn da/sa and it's more fun imo.

Really, there's a lot of great brands, pick one but get a full size or target model, the sight radius is extremely helpful

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>>34717264

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>>34717264
yer fucked m8. ive had a revolving list of pic related +2 others for months now. best you can do is keep an eye out for something on your list with a good price, then jump on it

>>34717346
>>34717405
just pick up a 9. the CZ75 variant will be nice; you wont regret it

>>34717763
but he could also pick up a 97 in 45 :^)

>>34717264
What are you going to use it for?
How much do you want to spend?
How much can you spend to feed it?

>>34717346
If it's for HD and range, you literally have no reason to not get a full size handgun. Get an MK23 or an LAR Grizzly, actually.

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>>34717264

Beretta 92.

>>34717264
Like others have said, you want a 9mm for cheaper ammo and practicing

With that being said, most wonder 9s on the market are functionally very similar. The best gun is the one that fits the best in your hand.

Go to a rental range with a buddy and have each of you rent something different and try them out. Repeat until you both found the comfiest gun

Buy a Glock 17/19/26, decide what you hate about it, buy second handgun.

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>>34717777
welp quads has it, you know what you need to do now OP

>>34717853
That's what I did and wound up with a gen 1 M&P. I wish I'd just gotten a glock. I don't think telling people who have little to no experience to go and try things on is a great idea, because they don't really know what to look for.

If you get anything other than .357 sig you will literally be raped to death.

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Get a .41AE Jericho

>>34717916
What was wrong with your m and p?

Ironically, I was dead set on a glock 19 until I tried it at the range and decided I didn't like the ergos and I went with the p320 instead.

The concept is there is nothing wrong with modern wonder 9s so ergonomics are the most important feature. Therefore only by handling them will you figure out "the best" one.

Take a list like >>34717810 and whichever one feels the best is what you should buy.

There's not much of an appreciable difference between modern 9mm full size hand guns

>>34717810
>HK anything
wew

>>34717810
This OP

>>34717916
>>34717639

Haha same only mine was a 40cal, I wish I had got a glock, hk USP or p30 or p2000, cz75 or p01, Walther ppq or p99, bhp, Beretta 92, or a p226 and Id have gotten it in 9. I feel like I wasted my money trying to be original and got what the guy made sound good

>>34717264
It's like everything in life.
Just pick one. They all work. Pick one you think is cool and practical and fits your personality. There is no one gun to rule them all. Just go pick one, or go to a range and rent a bunch.

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>not getting the best starter gun of all time.

don't try to make your first gun the best gun in the world. your first gun should be a learning experience a thing you can learn the basics with and a gun you don't mind mistreating or getting all scratch up.

It's meme tastic but the sig p226 LEGION feels amazing and has an amazing trigger. The CZ p10 has the nicest polymer striker trigger I've ever felt though and is my new love.

>>34717437
>Only real reasons I can think of for .45
>>Better suppressed
But that's wrong.

>>34717916
Well bro it's part of the process. You go out and experience life. You get better and more knowledgeable as you experience life. Shit my man, just get off the internet and go try something

>>34717264
Find a way to shoot one or more pistols of each.
I was actually very surprised when doing this to help decide on my first handgun; the difference of recoil between cartridges didn't seem to be nearly as huge as I was led to believe by all the debates on the internet, and as such I decided on a .45 which I still enjoy to shoot regularly.
Believe me, the trigger pull and grip are WAY more important, and there's no way to get an idea of what you like online.

>>34717972
Mine had that terrible gritty and spongy trigger they came with, so I put an apex in it. It was still shooting all over the place, so I had other people who were trainers try it, and they were getting the same thing. I looked it up, and the M&P's had barrel accuracy issues that they've supposedly fixed now. I wasn't about to buy a new bbl for it, so I traded it for a p226.

>>34717264
Get a 10mm and use it to off yourself.

>>34718069
You don't have to get underpowered rounds to be subsonic.

>>34717972

Not thaf anon but it's like owning something that doesn't shine anywhere you have to buy harder to find parts for and you know will be discontinued sooner than another well known or well adopted series like your p320.

>>34717264
Glock 17. Great first gun.

Op, pick up a walther ppq. They have a rebate going now. And it is a great 9mm.

>>34717877
>>34717777
dont deny the meme magic, OP

>>34718177
>>34717877
>>34717777
holy fuck i'd like to get off now plz

>>34718197
>4718197
>718197
>18197
>8197
>197
>97
get the 97, OP

>>34717877
I shot this gun a few times and could not miss with it.

10/10 would shoot again.

>>34718129
Which PPQ model? I don't know much about walthers

>>34718106
Just get any standard 147 gr and it's even more quiet.

>>34718484
Off the shelf 147gr is hit or miss depending on brand and bbl. So in order to ensure it's subsonic, most manufacturers load them lighter so they are in the neighborhood of 850-950 ft/s, which is muzzle energy around .380. Yes, due to physics and all 9mm will be quieter if you can get everything perfect, but it takes work to get the loading right. Off the shelf stuff, 9mm loses to much power.

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>>34717877
>>34717264
Enjoy the CZ OP

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>>34718177

Gun Jesus is with you OP.

>>34717264
You want 9x19. Don't be a fag.

>>34717264
I'm in the same boat, OP. The truth of the matter is that there is no perfect handgun. It doesn't exist. However, here are some general principles that should guide your decision:

1. It has to be reliable. Fortunately, most handguns on the market are.

2. It has to be accurate. Again, not a problem for most guns.

3. It has to be good out of the box, but a few accessories are not bad. Getting a new grip can be a big improvement. Just don't overdo it with the customization.

4. I has to be big enough to use. People get tiny little handguns to carry, but those are the hardest to shoot.

5. The cartridge has to be strong enough to penetrate flesh and bone. Stay away from little 25 ACPs and 32 pimp guns.

6. It has to have enough capacity. Criminals don't act alone. You may have to kill 3 or more of them. One shot kills are a myth. They don't exist. You have to keep shooting until you hit a major blood vessel, no matter how powerful your cartridge is. Figure on having at least 8 shots. 15 is better.

7. Steel frames are heavier than plastic, but plastic can melt if you push it too far. Aluminum and Scandium frames can be a good compromise. Just beware that lighter guns have more felt recoil. So do guns with a high bore axis.

8. It NEEDS to have a good trigger. A good trigger should have no apparent movement after resistance is met. This movement is called creep. It should be kept to an absolute minimum. I can't stress this enough. Double action guns are very difficult to shoot accurately.

9. Keep the design simple. Avoid superfluous bells and whistles.

All that being considered, a 1911, Browning Hi Power, or Sig 226 would be my first choice.

>>34717346
If you want a 45 get an hk.
If you want a 9mm get a Glock.

>>34717264
If price for ammo isn't an issue, flip a fucking coin to decide and get the other one eventually

>I want a good double/single action pistol
Get a Beretta 92
>I want a good single action only pistol
Get a CZ75
>I want a good revolver
Get a Chiappa Rhino
>I want something cheap
Get a Zastava M88A
>I want something expensive
Get a Pardini GT9
>I want something in a big caliber
Get a Smith & Wesson Model 460
>I want something in a little caliber
Get a Beretta Cheetah

>>34719667
this

or sig p320 for 9mm

but you want a 9mm because the main reason imo to get a 45 these days is as a suppressor platform, honestly what could beat an HK made 45 with a suppressor?

but you don't want to do that because you don't want to blow all your money on something amazing


blow some of your money on a glock 19 or sig p320

>>34719751
>single action only pistol
>cz75
Anon...

>>34719751
The CZ 75 isn't a single action only pistol. It's single/double.

Also, the Beretta sucks because it can't be carried in condition 1.

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>>34719751
SAO
>CZ75
Good revolver
>Chiappa

>>34719772
While I am a die hard fan of condition 1 to stay the Beretta sucks because it can't be carried that way is pure subjective bullshit.
Now if you said it sucks because you can inadvertently turn on the slide mounted safety during a malfunction clearance, then yes that is legitimate.
>inb4 slide mounted fags
fite me, queers

>>34718129
Honestly this. With the rebate its a real no-brainer I think. Just get the normal basic bitch PPQ M2, with the American-style button mag release.

>unbeatable ergos
>honestly high quality, german manufactured
>dat trigger unf
>9mm, can't complain

DO IT OP

>>34719811
So how the hell are you supposed to carry it? Condition 2? Why ruin the trigger pull for your first shot?

Also the Beretta has a nasty habit of accidentally ejecting the magazine. They should have done the mag release a little different.

>>34717264
I forgot to tell you you need to avoid guns with large or overly textured controls. The controls on a pistol should be hard to accidentally activate, and the texturing should be fine enough that it gives you a good grip without being painful when squeezed.

>>34718046
Hi-Points look like 3-D printed prototypes.

>>34719846
The "proper" way to carry a beretta 92 with slide mounted safety decocker (there are limited production frame safety sao models, good luck finding one) is to load the magazine, chamber a round d decock the hammer and leave the safety off.

The purpose is to not have to manipulate a safety when you draw the gun but the trigger being longer and heavier because, lol double action, gives more margin for safety.

>>34717264
G21, pussboi

>>34719891
Yes, I'm aware of what they were thinking when they designed it, but it's a stupid philosophy. Guns are NOT supposed to be safe. If you can't keep your finger off the trigger, you shouldn't carry a handgun at all. This obsession with safety is making our guns less useful tools.

>>34719915
Well, in some ways I agree, you won't find a da/sa in my collection that can't be carried condition 1, but I came from 1911s and I'm stubborn as fuck.

There's plenty of damn good guns out there that allow you to carry how you want, but if you are so sure of your ability to safely operate a firearm nobody is stopping you from leaving your Beretta cocked while you carry it, you would have to leave the safety off though because it decocks automatically.
Not my suggestion, at all, but you do you man, you are the one living with the consequences of an ND.

>>34718046
>you should learn the basics on a jamal-tier pistol
fuck off, his first gun doesn't need to be more than $500, but you shouldn't learn to shoot on something that will force you to make bad habits. also;
8 + 1
+
1

for carry:

shield

for other: literally the /k/ 9mm full size chart

>>34719964
>Not my suggestion, at all, but you do you man, you are the one living with the consequences of an ND.
You know they make these leather things you can put around you gun that shield the trigger from being pressed? They're called holsters.
>>34719964
>I came from 1911s
I like 1911s too. The only thing against them is their lack of capacity. I used to think, "One shot's all you need with 45." Then I realized that even 45 often needs multiple shots to get the job done. A spare magazine is your friend.

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>>34719823
OP here I think I'm going to get the PPQ M2. Will come to around 400 bucks after the rebate

>>34720009
I need to put a better trigger in my shield. I've gotten spoiled shooting other guns. I didn't understand why people trash talked it when I first got it, and trigger aside, it's ergo's are so fucking good. I pulled it out and did dry fire practice with it very recently and just couldn't get over how bad the trigger felt to me now.

>>34717801
Seconding the mk23, was my first handgun

>>34720050
>>34717264

.45 makes bigger wounds.
bigger wounds bleed faster.

For a first gun, but a GOOD gun, save some cash... get something nice and you will see the diffrence between a 300-500$ shitter.
And
If you buy a cheap gun, your going to buy ALOT of cheap guns trying to find something you like

Get a GOOD first pistol
You will learn on it
You will learn how it shoots
It wil be much safter and more reliable for when you decide to start carrying
and you will have more confidence in owning good gun you can trust ur life with
rather then having a bunch of medocure crap you end up not shooting becuase you didnt like it and wanted to replace it

P320 ?

>>34717777
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>>34718177
>>34718197
Meme magic demands you buy a CZ-97

>>34720115
>Walther PPQ
>Mediocre crap

>>34720178
Anything Walther I dare to say.

>>34720115
>bigger wounds bleed faster.
All else being equal, that's true. A 9mm in the aorta will bleed faster than a 45 in the lung. With a 9mm, the idea is to shoot more so you're more likely to hit those big blood vessels. I don't know if I agree with that or not, but that's the theory.

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>>34719751
>I want a good revolver
>Chiappa Rhino

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Get a cz OP either a 75 or 97 probably a 97 if you have mag caps . Thats what i chose to go with and its a fantastic gun

>>34717810
I remember making a 45acp version of this list, no idea what happened to it.

>>34717264
1. Look at gunbroker/armslist for hours on end
2. Finally decide on a shield/glock of some non meme tier caliber
3. Buy some ammo and go shooting
4. Buy more ammo
5. Realize that ammo is by far the most expensive aspect of shooting.
6. Say fuck it and buy more anon
7. Decide that it's actually cheaper to buy guns than shoot them
8. Go to step 1.

Tldr Quit being a fucking faggot

>>34718569
Standard 147gr isn't made to be subsonic, it isn't marketed as subsonic. It just is by happenstance.

Hi point 9mm

>>34717264
flip a coin, when its in the air your heart will tell you what you really want
also, you can always get the other one later, youre not confined to just one gun forever