>disables your tank from 5 miles with weaponized lasers >downs

giant mirror

Smoke.

>>34715679
/thread

>>34715661
Oh no some wild fog appears.

>>34715661
>activates laser
>gets nuked by a bunch of laser guided weapons

>>34715661
>how will anybody ever compete?

The way the west did compete, crashing their economy so hard it's effects are felt 30 years later

>>34716552
>tank cannons roar on either side of the Fulda Gap
>A team of 1K17s watch from the treeline, ready to start picking off American tanks' optics
>Laser is fired up
>High above, american jets drop a pair of GBU-10s on a Motostrelki platoon half a mile away
>six seconds later a GBU-10 the bombs drift to the Szhatie's and destroys both

>>34716609
>implying the west crashed USSR economy
>implying the west has anything to do with USSR crash

>>34716684
Either that or it was pure Slavic incompetence.

I'm honestly OK with either one to be honest.

>>34716552
i don't think it's how laser guided munition works, anon

>>34716684
>Implying it didn't.

>>34716709
>it actually really didn't

>>34716664
>I am a paveway
>born and bred to do one thing, follow this tiny dot.
>the tiny dot is my life, the tiny dot is love
>as I fall at 5,000 feet, I see my dot and I am happy
>those poor fucks won't know what hit them, not an armor peice to be seen either
>i almost pity the-
>SWEET MOTHER OF GOD.

>>34716716
>proofs

I wonder what this would look like on FLIR when it's active. Anyhow, dazzlers are stupid unless they work as reactive counter measure. Like the Chinese use em.

>>34715679
oh my god, mirror armor when

>>34716684
so slavs managed to fuck in the most fertile and rich in resources land that makes africa and middle east look like costa rica
with endless human resources and some of the brightest minds this world has ever seen

basically slavs are dumber than niggers and muslims put together?

sounds about fucking right

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>>34716750
>WSO face when

>This was created by focusing light through 30 kg of artificial rubies which made the whole system very expensive to produce.

"Give pearls away and rubies. But keep your fancy free..."

>>34715661
What happens when a bird takes a shit on those expensive lenses?

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>>34715661
>Nukes your rig and the surrounding half-klik or so from behind cover.
> Cracks a Coors and waits for the fallout to subside.

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>>34715661
BANZAI

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>>34716923
>survives in blast

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>>34716999
>is the blast

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>>34716999

>>34715679
fpbp

>>34716552
https://sputniknews.com/military/201702121050596384-russia-laser-weapons-tests/
>The system can "blind" the optics arrays of enemy warplanes, helicopters as well as laser GPS-guided bombs and missiles that are dozens of kilometers away, according to the newspaper.

>Additionally, it can counteract the optoelectronic systems of armored vehicles and tanks, as well as the hind sights of anti-tank missile systems.
How burgers will fight when all their gadgets will be blinded?

>>34717335
>Sputniknews
Might as well post combatreform.org while you're at it.

>>34715661
You know it can't actually down aircraft yes?

if you have any idea how laser guided munitions work you should be retarded to think they will auto aim at this system

>>34716999
Tank survives, crew does not.

>>34717335
>laser blinders

Cutting edge, for the 80s that is. Laser-protective features come default in pilots goggles and most ballistic computers; and laser-jamming beam riders only hurts antique Russian missiles.


tl;dr the US has been blowing up arty shells in flight with lasers longer than Slavs have been shining flashlights at dudes eyes.

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>>34715661
>teleports behind your front line
>annihilates your follow-on forces
heh... nothin personnel red

>>34717419
standby crew following tank

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>>34717434
>Laser-protective features come default in pilots goggles and most ballistic computers
Don't work vs multispectral blinding systems.

>>34717473
>kilometers long line of Object 279s so live crews can leapfrog into nuke'd tanks.

>>34717473
>what is neutron activation and/or deep battle and/or airland battle

Bridges are bait for assembly areas, anon.

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>>34717465
>flights of supersonic missile trucks carrying air-launched T-16s into battle against entire soviet tank armies

>>34717491
>my sub-megawatt LOS wunderwaffe makes an entire doctrine centered around over-the-horizon combat obsolete

This is what people pretending to be Slavs actually believe.

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>>34715679
Make it a tracking mirror so you can refocus the beam and shoot it right back at the unit. I am a fucking genius.

>>34715661
>laser tank
>from a nation who's entire contemporary ground forces doctrine revolved around overwhelming armored power, ATGM-armed motorized infantry units, massed artillery attacks, and huge concentrations of mobile ground-based air defenses.

Unless it can shoot down planes then the Soviets had no reason to adopt this thing.

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>>34717530
>T-16s on the rotary racks...

Mother of god...

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>>34715661
You forgot this anon

>>34717491
it's a result of a gas attack and it seems on bongs

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>>34717530
>Wanting to lose all your lancers
hm ok

>>34717731
>Mig 25
>Shooting down B-1Bs 100km ahead of your forward assembly areas

So the only real chance you would have of doing this would be with the R-40, which has a maximum range of 80km. So you would have to hope that the Lancers stray too close to their target before firing, and that the didn't just turn and burn once missiles were launched, since they would already be at the outer limit of your engagement envelope. This is also assuming that the Lancers wouldn't be flying pretty close to the deck, well below the ideal operating altitude of a Mig-25.

I'm just saying; the odds are really in the Lancer's favor here.

>>34715679
That better be a really fucking efficient mirror.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jul/31/russian-6th-generation-fighter-will-employ-powerfu/

You can keep building weapons for the last war but it is never going to help you. America might be the most resource rich and technologically advanced power but that doesn't mean that the other big players can't achieve results with some crude but still effective versions of the same advanced solutions.

The Szhatie was too far ahead of its time to be of any use but Russia might be finally reaching that practical point now. Once the Age of the Missile is over we can go back to dogfighting with guns and slugging it out over the seas with right proper battleships once again.

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>>34719113
>Russia
>6th gen fighter

Based on past experience, it won't be much better off than the Szhatie anyway.

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>>34717731
>Mig25 vs F15....

>>34719113
It's precision weapons that killed the battleship, not the exact form they take. Russia doesn't even have working railguns.

>>34719305
mom look i posted that funny pic again

how many phantoms did usa lose in vietnam, like 500-600 iirc? that's only phantoms

>>34719337
>that's only phantoms

You're right, that is only Phantoms. And it's still 3:1. Also, how many F-4s are currently being operated by any branch of the us military?

>>34719305
Precision and light-recoiling weapons that could strike from very far away, ie missiles. If you take the range and accuracy advantage out of the missile (by blowing it up or blinding it via laser, cheaper and potentially easier than using anti missile missiles) then good old cannons will be more cost effective, more combat effective because sending loads of cheap ordnance is much harder to counter, and bumrushing enemy to get into reasonable cannon range suddenly doesn't seem like a bad idea anymore.

Railguns are just Cannons+1. Very very nice to have in order to supplement the new doctrine but not strictly necessary. If you aren't using huge swarms of ultra-cheap kinetic kill missiles (which are countered by armor) then you are going to be using huge salvos of cannon fire. Or torpedoes, that one is still a thorn in the side.

>>34717589
Ill call you a genius when you actually figure out how to fucking do it.

>>34719408
from the wiki

>Among fixed-wing aircraft, more F-4 Phantoms were lost than any other type in service with any nation. In total, the United States lost in Vietnam almost 10 000 aircraft, helicopters and 578 UAVs (554 over Vietnam and 24 over China).[1]

>South Vietnam's army lost 2,500 aircraft and helicopters, excluding number of UAVs (incluld 1,018 aircraft and helicopters lost from January 1964 until September 1973.[2])

>North Vietnam lost 150 - 200 aircraft and helicopters.

now, it probably was hard to maintain 3:1 when north vietnam lost 62 times less aircraft than usa :^)

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>>34719474
>The era before efficient counters to SAMs had been invented
>High losses from the nation that far and away fielded the most jets in said SAM-dominated environment

>>34719474
>>34719495
I'm also fairly certain that graph is counting Air to air kills and losses, not SAM kills.

>lost 62 times less aircraft
>actually had 62 times less aircraft
:^)

>>34719515
yeah it does
it's just american data only which doesn't agree with vietnamese data and which are hard to believe to me considering how many phantoms were shot down and how few aircraft vietnam even had. considering that other fighters try to claim a positive ratio too it becomes frankly ridiculous

>>34719542
>trusting gook numbers when their eyes are half-shut the whole time

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>orbits behind you
>destroys your GPS satellite array
heh...nothin personnel kiddo

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Destroy your ICBM in flight and clear all your satellites and perhaps install the dictatorship of the proletariat in your country

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>>34720103
>>34720109
hivemind

>>34719305
>It's precision weapons that killed the battleship, not the exact form they take.
Aircraft carrier with its range and nuke killed battleship.

>>34716819
russians are not slavs ; but crossbreed between inbred vikings and Mongols

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>>34719474

>more than half of those were helicopters lost to ground fire

>>34718354
?????????????
what would an inefficient mirror consist of

>>34720122
>>34720109
>>34720103
its more like
>burns up in atmo because Pavel and Chelkov got drunk on hydrazine and mounted the gyro backwards, further depressing the broken Slav people

>>34721581
That is exactly what slavs are

>>34721581
as an inbred viking, please dont include us in this

>>34721584
i dunno why helicopters are even a thing except for transportation

>>34715679
>>34716810
>>34721587
The quality of modern US education really disturbs me... Mirrors won`t work on high-powered lasers, kids.

>>34716819
>some of the brightest German minds the world has ever seen.

>>34715661
This shit was designed in the 70s. The fact that they're not producing it proves that in fact, it does not disable your tanks and shoot down your choppers.

>>34717434
>Cutting edge, for the 80s that is
>When that laser tank is literally an 80s relic
How it comes that americans are all that retarded? Of course it's not modern level of tech, since it's a prototype exposed in a museum.

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>>34722004
No shit.

That's why you use a high-powered mirror.

>>34716819
>fertile
Wew lad, that's just some blatant lies. Grab a fucking climate map. Not to mention that ~70% of the country were forests, the rest was deserts, steppes, and only Ukraine and a bit of Souther Russia had some land as fertile as, for example, Normandy, a northern and cold place. Netherlands literally has three months less of time when the ground is covered by snow than central Russian lands, not to speak of lands east of Ural mountains.

>>34716810
>>34715679
>that's Mike Mirrorsuit ,Carl Carwindows cousin

>>34719474
>>34719337

You are literally retarded.

That graphic is comparing aerial victories to aerial defeats. If something gets shot down by AAA or a SAM it isn't counted. For the record, over its lifespan there have been ~550 F-4s shot down by ground fire.

>>34722058
You mean basically like how the USA was only prairies, forests and deserts before the mass immigration allowed them to make it into the first superpower ?

Because where I stand, Russia has basically the equivalent of USA + Canada in terms of lands, both in quality and quantity.

It had less people... but then maybe if it was just a little bit less of a paranoid totalitarian hellhole, more foreign workers might have been tempted to come and help build "socialism in one country".

As it stands, Russia is a third world country sitting on half a continent worth of ressources.

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>>34717589
>>34719430
It's like you guys have never heard of a retroreflector.

What happens when Abdullah decides to dump his entire PKM magazine into its front ?

why every american on this board says that russians would "get drunk and destroy everything because they're incompetent". When US army is the most incompetent in the world by far?

If you have a super high powered laser, even a mirror that reflects 99.9% of the energy will absorb enough of it to be slightly degraded. This effect will magnify itself, with the degraded mirror absorbing more energy and getting hotter and more degraded.
Reflective material is not the answer to laser weapons. Also, if you do get an effective one, you could always point the laser somewhere else.
Finally, it is not going to attract laser guided weapons, the idea is to shine it at the weapons and blind them. The whole sensor on the weapon is showing white, so it can't vector onto anything because it's 'target' is in all directions at the same time.

>>34716880
Either the lens are uncovered and the bird gets set on fire or the lens are covered, nothing in between.

>>34715661
>releases DARPA bots

>>34717434
>Laser-protective features come default in pilots goggles
are you aware that
>muh protective features
is just a few coatings on that glass? Anything with enough power (which you better believe that 1/4 ton of ruby definitely had) will just damage them and keep going to whatever is behind the glass?
These protective features are only good against laser rangefinders and weak laser dazzlers, it's not a magical laser-B-gone gismo.

>>34722272
The later explains the former.

>>34722153
M8 look at a map. Half of Russia is on the same latitude as Canada. Comparing them to the USA is just not fair, if the USA was like Alaska no one would have settled there in the 1700s. Russia also didn't allow for the freeedom of movement to the same level as the USA until the late 1800s (serfdom) and even then what do you want farmers to do? Look for a better life in Siberia? Russians living there today need vitamin supplements and UV lights to live, things that were impossible until much later. Even the USA has most of its people living near the coast and in the southern states. The northern states are the least populated, considering US coasts don't freeze in winter that is another advantage.

As for Russians wanting totalitarian leadership its easy to understand, their country has a long history of being invaded. At this point they are a nation of suicidal paranoid alcoholics who can hardly leave their commieblock for half of the year, feel sorry for them.

>>34722153
>You mean basically like how the USA was only prairies, forests and deserts before the mass immigration allowed them to make it into the first superpower ?
Except USA doesn't have enemy countries near its borders (which leads to the necessity of maintaining a large army, which, as consequence, requires a more strict government) and the only enemies US had weren't unable to do anything to them due to fucking oceans.
Secondly, Russia is more like Canada, not US, in terms of climate. I don't think you know how to use maps otherwise you wouldn't be comparing USSR with US.
Not to mention all those mineral resources became relevant only in industrialised times, so before like mid 19 century Russia didn't have any capabilities to become as rich as US — and even then, the supply lines between industrial centers, resources etc was too big (thus the prices were increased) which didn't allow to efficiently use the economical strength.
Soviet leadership had to do something radical, the industrialization program was huge in scale and achieved some results, but lead to famines in all southern USSR (retarded ukies call it Holodomor, forgetting that more Russians and Kazakhs have died than khokhols).
You can't just build an economical paradise out of bare poor land and scattered resources surrounded by enemies. Americans had: fertile land and no enemies around them, so they became prosperous really quick. If something similar was for Soviet Russia it would quickly become social-democratic like Sweden or Norway, but the external and internal pressures existed and exist now.

>>34722281
Most lasers are only about 10% efficient to begin with. Destroying a mirror at 99.9% efficiency would probably make the laser explode.

>>34722592
Ruby-rod or chemical lasers from the 1980s (like this Slavic contraption), sure.

Modern fiber lasers are 40-50% efficient. Mirrors are worthless against them, you need armor coatings with high specific heat and shock resistance.

>>34722515
>which, as consequence, requires a more strict government)

I question your knowledge of Russian history

>>34722631
>I question your knowledge of Russian history
>it's another americans now other countries' history better than locals episode

When Peter the 1st got rekt near Narva with an outdated army he invested in modernizing army, which was accompanied by taking rights away from serfs, virtually making them slaves to allow better mobility and workforce distribution among wealthy class.

When Elizabeth of Russia waged wars during her rule (one of the most notable expansions of the Russian state) she took even more freedoms from the serfs: they weren't even allowed to perform monetary operations (i.e. buy food) without their lord's permission, some many other smaller laws were passed that entrenched the elite even more.

When Napoleon defeated Alexander I, showing that the Russian army is again obsolete, he realized that the army would be more motivated if more liberal reforms would take place, but didn't manage to perform them, partly due to already strong ruling class opposing his attempt to take power from them, partly because of his mysterious death.

Nicholas I tried to revert Alexander's reforms, and he succeeded: when it was the best opportunity for Russia to modernize and step into industrialization, there weren't enough skilled workforce due to serfdom system being as close as possible to slavery.

Thankfully, Crimean war showed how backwards was that politics and after his death Alexander II managed to somewhat improve the situation, but only marginally: the liberation of serfs according to the 1861 act was only possible when serfs pay the market(!) cost of the land. Which, given how poor the land was in northern part of the country, meant that only the southern Russian Empire might get a chance to see some quality improvement.

I could go on but you get the idea. Most of the times the gov-t increased the burden on serfs during the wars. I think there is no doubt, that warfare only worsens the economic situation of a country.

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>>34722048
>>Physics? Never heard about that...
Facepalm.jpg
Someone, please tell the Russians to start invasion sooner...

>>34719305
Funny how some random Vietnamese rice farmer flying MiG-15 can shoot down the F-4

>>34721473
yeah, this is his point. Precision weapons kill battleships. This could be carriers with planes, missles or railguns.

>>34715661
>tech test platform that had been build and not used since then, since it is an useless project in this configuration
>thread full of people actually arguing how good and practical it is
What?

>>34722281

Then use 10 mirrors that are 10% reflective. Voila, 100%

>>34724920
To add: the laser uses 30kg of artificial rubies, say you pay 100$ per carat, which is ridiculous low for rubies tubes that large, you would end up with costs about 15 million alone. Before it reaches any front it is gutted and sold by some conscripts at the black market.

>>34716750
> My name is JDAM and WTF is a laser, anyway.