Does the North Korean military deserve the spot on the Top 10

>>34715644
top 10 lists are never accurate.
the nork military has a ton of men only because they count every single male in the country as part of the military. They don't even have enough equipment to give every one of them a rifle.

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>"haha bunch of malnourished gooks with aging cold war era equipment we could turn north korea into a water filled crater overnight"
>America hasn't done anything beyond strongly worded condemnations
hmm really makes me think. maybe America is afraid of North Korean military might? maybe this you all have fallen for NATO memes? I can't figure it out

>>34715644
It's huge, yes. But it's got fuck-all for modern warfighting capability. Logistics are shit. Training among the line units is hilariously bad. Their indegenous designs are 1960s tech, and the little equipment they do have that wasn't designed before integrated circuts is an export model with little to no spare parts.

North Korea's best equipment is in the same generation that modernized countries are phasing out because it's outdated and at the end of its lifespan.

>>34715709
>Anime poster doesn't understand the implications of the US nuking the norks into a steaming crater
Like pottery

>>34715644
irrelevant. militaries of US, China, and Russia are all that really matters.
nukes are a different matter

>>34715718
ASSHOLE, ARROGANT ASSHOLE!

NK has more artillery pieces than any country in the world. More than 50% of SK's population is in range of this artillery. It is dug into the sides of mountains with an extensive network of tunnels to supply ammunition for weeks. It is the ULTIMATE DEAD MAN SWITCH. Its low-tech, doesn't need electronics, and it will FUCK YOU UP.

YOU STUPID BASTARD

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>>34715790
>It potentially could fuck up almost half of the small country next to it that also doesn't matter, if nobody stepped in even though they would.

>>34715790
>It is the ULTIMATE DEAD MAN SWITCH. Its low-tech, doesn't need electronics, and it will FUCK YOU UP.

What it does need is to survive long enough to get more than some piss nothing amount of salvos off. Which considering how advanced SK and US artillery detection system are, is no guarantee. It doesn't matter how many artillery guns you have if they get BTFO by counter battery fire or airstrikes every time they fire a round. How do you think we know that they have so many artillery peices? Because we already fucking know the majority of their positions you donk.

There would be civilian casualties sure, but NKs ability to fire into SK would be neutralized within 48 hours. No, the real deadmans switch is either a nuke or the fact that nobody wants to take responsibility of the impoverished, brainwashed, starving communist riceniggers once the war is over.

>>34715691
Or food for that matter.

>>34715709
Its because they hold south Korea as a hostage. Millions would die in the first couple of hours from artillery and chemical weapons. The norks cannot win a war though. Its logistically impossible for them. Their forces would last days from getting rekt to their soldiers surrendering.

>>34715644
>Top 10 lists that everyone seems to give it?

Who?

Or do you mean Globalfirepower? A site writen by nobodies with a retard tier value system?

>>34715790
After the shelling started their artillery that was in range would last hours to maybe a day. You don't think we know where all their positions are? And what is back azimuth? A lot of people in Seoul would die but they have made preparations as well to help their citizens survive such an attack.

>>34715709
>maybe America is afraid of North Korean military might?

No. America spent the early 40's well into the 90's engineering ways to kill the technology from that time. North Korea has spent that time mostly starving to death and wasting money on an army they cannot feed in the event of war. America fears the global stage and North Korea's allies.

Vietnam, Iraq, Syria and Libya have to an extent being cut off isolated regimes that no one cared for. Syria hasn't gone full circle because of Russia. Intervention was tried in Ukraine and the same happened. North Korea is a little more involved, China and Russia would rather keep their cheap labor assets and I guess their last Capitalist frontier free. They let Kim get this far for a reason.

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>>34715644

poor mig-29

she should feel terrible for being made wear that ugly green dress... and for being ridden by a fat gook in brown leather too

>>34715790
You are the arrogant asshole, faggot. The great majority of North Korean artillery can't reach any South Korean population centers. The Koksan can only reach Seoul with RAP and can only be deployed in certain positions due to the size, all known to the US. It's also limited not just in numbers due to RAP but also due to the fact that it has a firing rate of 1-2 rounds/5 minutes.
There is also the KN-09 which can, according to South Korea, hit Seoul but it is new and I wonder how many of those they have at this point. To add to that, artillery has one main role and it's to make the life of infantry easier, which is completely irrelevant for North Korea since North Korean ground forces would never make it to any South Korean population center in the first place.

>>34715644

No.

People who think they belong there have a deep misunderstanding of modern militaries. Prior to World War 1 a country fighting with technology from 50 years ago would not be at an insurmountable disadvantage. Rifles, field pieces, et al would not have undergone revolutionary changes in that timeframe.

Today this is not the case. The United States, and NATO as a whole, would have such an advantage that it may as well be magic to the North Koreans. In literally every front they would be at a terrible disadvantage. Night fighting, air frames, communications, armored vehicles, missile defense systems, personal equipment such as body armor, EVERYTHING. This would be true even if every piece of equipment in their inventory was well maintained with a surplus of parts, fuel, ammo, skilled labor to maintain it. This is not even remotely the case.

Consider what happened to Saddam Hussein during the 1991 invasion of Iraq. They were the third or fourth largest military in the world, had internationally trained officers, near or top of the line Soviet equipment with advisors on hand, had actual combat experience from their war with Iran and they were utterly dismantled.

Now consider that the vast majority of North Korea's equipment would have been dated in 1991 and has done little to advance since then. The only thing propping them up is Chinese military intervention and the threat their opening salvos hold to South Korea.

The US alone could drown them in piss, let alone an actual fight.

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>>34715644
Why not?
They are at least trying

>>34715691
That is blatantly untrue. The DPRK has an all volunteer force and 4-5 applicants for each opening. Your family gets fast tracked for rations, gets access to stores, you get party membership after your term is up and you get put to the top of the list to live in one of the modern cities like Pyongyang or nampo.

>>34717174
so basically it's like in the usa, they serve for benefits?

that's also bs, the wiki says it has a conscription

>>34716105
>Prior to World War 1 a country fighting with technology from 50 years ago would not be at an insurmountable disadvantage. Rifles, field pieces, et al would not have undergone revolutionary changes in that timeframe.

50 years before the ww2 there didn't exist machine guns, battleships, submarines, aircraft and even the proper artillery

*50 years before the ww1

>>34715973
>what is back azimuth?
idk,explain please
im an /o/tist,noy a /k/omando

>>34715909
>There would be civilian casualties sure, but NKs ability to fire into SK would be neutralized within 48 hours. No, the real deadmans switch is either a nuke or the fact that nobody wants to take responsibility of the impoverished, brainwashed, starving communist riceniggers once the war is over.

This right here is the real answer. China and South Korea both don't want to step in because neither wants to have to deal with modernizing a country as fucked up as North Korea, especially since the first thing that'll happen is them increasing the crime rate in your nation fifty fold once they realize they can get away with far more shit than they could under the former regime.

You know all that fentanyl and fake IDs that are pumped out of China? Imagine that with stolen North Korean Printing presses, the ones they use to make perfect fake $100 bills.

Absolute nightmare.

>>34716105
>Prior to World War 1 a country fighting with technology from 50 years ago would not be at an insurmountable disadvantage.

Horseshit. Had either the North or the South still been using smoothbore muskets in the Civil War, they would have been absolutely steamrolled by the Minié balls of the opposirte side..

>>34715644
>Top 10.
Why even bother when they are the number one superior force, so superior that all other numbers fall off the list out of respect for the great leader.

>>34715644
I reckon 1 military district in china could probably take out the north.

I reckon SK and Japan could take out the north

>>34717174
hi kim

>>34717467
>ok here

Google.com There you go.

>>34717885
ah,that's why I don't come here,because fuck you.

>>34715709
>afraid of 50s tech
Kek

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>>34715644
numbers? yes
Capabilities? no

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>>34715709
>>America hasn't done anything beyond strongly worded condemnations
>maybe America is afraid of North Korean military might?
Are you actually retarded or pretending?

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>>34715644
They have impressive numbers and an INSANE amount of zeal, but the tech gap has widened too much. They don't have enough fuel to do intensive combined arms training, their pilots don't get enough flight time, and their artillery has something like a 25% dud rate. At some point shit just starts to get too old. In the Cold War it would've definitely rated as one of the most potent forces in Asia, but that was with considerable backing from the USSR and the PRC to some degree. They could probably still launch a very spirited attack along the DMZ to the South and undoubtedly make some gains, but the counter-attack would fuck them hard.

>>34718345
>an INSANE amount of zeal
i doubt it desu

the modern north korea isn't like it was back then, it is slowly rotted by its de facto legal black market which it needs to sustain its economy and so its zeal largely waned

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>>34718388
While it may not be as strong, that sense of loyalty to the Kims as something close to Gods (read some Nork propaganda, its hilarious) is what kept the country together during the 90's when everything went to shit. The average Nork may know of an outside world, but in the present their best bet for survival is complete trust in the apparatus set up in Pyongyang. They still have political officers in their military, I can't see frontline units wavering much during the initial stages of war. Wouldn't stop us and the Sorks from eventually curbstomping them, but it's something to take into consideration.

>>34718448
Most of the nork soldiers that they don't take pictures of though are starving and apathetic.

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>>34718501
I know, but it doesn't hurt to treat situations with caution. If conflict were to break out, I would rather we would be over-prepared like during the Gulf-War in order to ensure absolute success.

>>34715644
Most of their jets are likely nonflyable by most standards, and they hardly have any gas or a2a munitions, the handful of MiG-29s they have won't amount to dick.

Their best tanks are just really beefed up T-62s, M1A1s from the mid 80s could easily sweep them away, let alone current Abrams and K2s.

They have a lot of artillery and infantry, this will be the best they'll have in a war, but I wouldn't say they were anymore NEAR top 10.

>>34715709
Direct military action against North Korea would risk retaliation against our allies in the region, such as South Korea and Japan. There really isn't any point in intervening so long as North Korea doesn't do anything more than saber rattling.

>>34715790
>More than 50% of SK's population is in range of this artillery
That does not in any way mean that 50% of South Korea's LAND is within range of North Korean artillery. That would require artillery capable of firing over 75 miles, which is clearly utter nonsense. And even against South Korea's major cities, accuracy isn't going to be particularly good without electronics.

>>34718501
they don't really have hunger since 90ss

>>34717174
Long live the glorious leader am I right?

>>34718526
>those shoes

Jesus even their military is going to be an absolute humanitarian disaster, like the Warsaw uprising scaled up to 11.

>>34717714
That's not even a theory, either nation could handily defeat the DPRK. Even Japan, who effectively has neutered itself for 70 years straight.

Japan would do worse in some ways (ie, ability to deploy) but better in others (the DPRK realistically can't attack Japan in any way other than launching missiles, which are not infinite).

>>34715644
"top 10" could mean pretty much anything. In terms of destructive potential, maybe, just maybe they are top 10 IF their nukes work as advertised and can be deployed. If they can't be deployed, then they are reduced in importance and potency.

USA
China
Russia
Italy
United Kingdom
France
South Korea
Japan
India
Pakistan
Germany
Australia
Iran
Israel
Egypt (probably pre-revolution)

Any of those militaries would be higher up on my "top 10" list than DPRK.

>>34716324
Ha

If only there was a way to get that image to Kim Jung Un.

>>34717281
Look back further, maybe 1500 vs 1450 for an example. It's just that after a certain point, the rate of tech development just exponentially went up.

@34715709
>This post literally got 6 replies.

I hate /k/ sometimes

>>34718715
>>those shoes
>Jesus even their military is going to be an absolute humanitarian disaster, like the Warsaw uprising scaled up to 11.

reminds me that pic from a recent aesthetics thread with two soviet soldiers in afghanistan one of which wore sneakers (and also double ak magazines fixed together with insulating tape, the common stuff they did there back then). light shoes can be more useful than heavier boots because they make marching much easier. btw vietnamese soldiers wore sandals made from old tires and they won

>>34718572
>let alone current Abrams and K2s.
The K2's equipment has it set to rack up absurd kill ratios. I'm talking 50:1. Hell, since they were smart enough to put millimeter-band fire control radar on it, they can literally automatically engage targets with a push of a button. This spells 'dead nork tank column'.

>>34718598
>And even against South Korea's major cities, accuracy isn't going to be particularly good without electronics.
Saturation shelling doesn't require electronics

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>>34716105
>Consider what happened to Saddam Hussein during the 1991 invasion of Iraq. They were the third or fourth largest military in the world, had internationally trained officers, near or top of the line Soviet equipment with advisors on hand, had actual combat experience from their war with Iran and they were utterly dismantled.

It doesn't take a massive technological advantage to strafe and bomb a retreating army as it drives down a highway in commandeered civilian cars and buses.

>Now consider that the vast majority of North Korea's equipment would have been dated in 1991 and has done little to advance since then. The only thing propping them up is Chinese military intervention and the threat their opening salvos hold to South Korea.

>little to advance since then.

Yeah, they're small arms are the same and their uniforms are straight out of the 50's. But, they developed nukes in 2006 and have a successful missile program. They've done a lot to advance their military since 1991.

>>34718873
Except thin shoes suck in mountains and cold, and they look gaunt

>>34718873
>btw vietnamese soldiers wore sandals made from old tires and they won
NK =/= Vietnam, there is no comparison other than them being Asians.

>>34719070
>highway of death

burgers are well known for bombing people killing whom has no military significance, they do it simply to train their pilots and stuff

>>34715709

Right but when you fuck with DPRK militarily you are also fucking with China, and they will probably be getting indirect support from Russia, Iran and anyone else who wants to fuck with the U.S. as well.

The last time the U.S. government played the "These are just gooks with shitty tech" card, they ended up being right, but then China stepped in and pushed back.

>>34719443
Except China has a hell of a lot less incentive to help than it did back then. There's several thousand Chinese nationals in SK right now, ranging from exchange students to businessmen. If NK starts shelling Seoul, there's a strong chance some Chinaman could get caught in the crossfire. The PRC won't take kindly to that. Furthermore, while they value NK as a buffer state they're becoming less and less happy about NK acquiring nukes. They may intervene in a Korean War 2.0, but I could see it at most being an annexation of chunks of North Korea. There's no longer an incentive to try and roll all the way down the peninsula.
>Russia
Indirect support yes, but that wouldn't be enough to turn the tide of a potential war.
>Iran
How the fuck could they help NK in this situation?

>>34719070
>It doesn't take a massive technological advantage to strafe and bomb a retreating army as it drives down a highway in commandeered civilian cars and buses.

That isn't what the Chinese and the Soviets thought when Desert Storm happened.

>>34719443
>China
China of 50 years ago is not the China of today.
If anything they'd occupy part of North Korea to strip and hand over to the South as part of some sweetheart deal.
>Russian/Iran
Iran is busy in the MidEast for the time being, Russia may (may) send support but that would be for weapons testing if anything

>>34719436
>soldiers and vehicles are not militarily significant

what did he mean by this?

It may have been an exercise in extreme violence, but it removed many soldiers and vehicles from the fight, meaning that's soldiers and vehicles you don't have to worry about popping up later.

A completely exposed armored column is just begging to get eradicated nowadays.

>>34719532
This.

Iran can't really send in support. DPRK has exactly three land borders

>ROK
>PRC
>RF

Only Russia would be willing to tolerate Iran sending in weapons to the DRPK. China will want as stable and quick a transition in power as humanly possibly. They won't want to risk the Nork-US war escalating into a greater war that could draw in China, because it isn't in their interest.

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>>34715991
It was just a side job. Don't bully Mig-chan for that!

Does that plane even fly?

>>34720164
that's adorable

>>34715644
Depends on what you are measuring.

The Nork military is only capable of deterring attack and preserving internal order. They have no projection capability at all, then again very very few nations do and its not needed for their mission set. Which is not exactly a wide mission set. However they are deterring the United States, the Republic of Korea and Japan simultaneously, not many nations are capable of that.

Defensive ability? Yes.

Projection ability? Hell no.

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>>34717638
>Had either the North or the South still been using smoothbore muskets in the Civil War

A lot of them still were.

Most of the Confederate Army started the war using surplus Springfield M1842s stolen from US military armories (they only started receiving Enfield rifles from Great Britain in large quantities later on) and even in the Union Army, the Irish Brigade was using smoothbores until after Gettysburg.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buck_and_ball

>>34720164
>J-10
>rekt

>>34715691
Ah the old COD 2 "we dont have enough rifle for everybody!!!!" faggotry

>>34718873
>vietnamese soldiers wore sandals made from old tires and they won
They lost almost every engagement with the US

>>34721596
And they were still never able to take control of the country.

No lol it's easy af to name ten countries stronger than NK

USA
UK
France
Russia
China
Turkey
Israel
Iran
India
Japan

Some of those countries aren't even in the top 10 but they all have greater militaries than NK
>inb4 "but most of those countries don't have the force projection to beat NK!"
That wasn't the question at hand

>>34721479
That was ripped off enemy at the gates you underage cod baby

>>34715709
Maybe they've developed or stolen some hideous bioweapon that would spell doom for hundreds of millions and are hanging this sword of Damocles above the heads of the western world. Other than that I don't know what could be the reason we haven't used satellites to figure out all their artillery positions, sailed our carriers up and rid the world of a festering pustule after false flagging some shit on the world stage.

>>34715644
No seeing how South Korea has a larger military budget and more modern equipment as well as the industry to build it's own shit such as rifles and tanks while North Korea mosty imports it's shit.

>>34721717
that movie is considered one of the most inaccurate military movies ever

>>34721662
poor cuck germany isn't even mentioned

>>34721662
>Turkey
Questionable, the Turks lack projection capability and have a weaker missile force.

>Iran
Only if you are counting the Iranian-aligned transnational militias as part of the Iranian military. Otherwise the difference in numbers, missile forces and WMD is too great.

>>34719436
Killing fleeing armor that could just surrender like dozens of thousands of Iraqis but now pose the risk of a major counter attack has "no military significance"

When will the slav propaganda stop ?

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>>34721835
they were fleeing to basra i.e. to iraq from the territory of kuwait i.e. they were withdrawing from the territory of kuwait exactly it was demanded by the united nations and usa, the goal of that war wasn't to overturn saddam but to free kuwait

the very general who ordered it said shit like they killed civilian kuwait citizens so we decided to punish them or something in that vein

it's a plain and simple war crime and that guy could be hanged just like saddam if he wasn't the victor

desu reading the military history of what burgers did in a few of their wars it's such a temptation to believe in the god and universal justice so guys like that general got a fitting punishment if not in this life then after the death

>>34715899
>G20 economy
>one of the largest electronics manufacturers
>one of the largest vehicle manufacturers, on land and sea
>doesn't matter

Sure, the rest of the world could replace them, but we'd definitely notice they were gone.

>>34719070

>what was the iraqi IADS network

>>34719070

...Why don't you stop and ask yourself why the Iraqis who had just spent the best part of a decade at war with Iran were fleeing Kuwait in such a panic?

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>>34720045
>armored column

>>34721835
>fleeing armor

>>34715790
Kill yourself on the spot.

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>>34721330
> rekt
> implying star and stripes aren't aesthetic as fuck
Stay dead commie

>>34715790
This shit has been disproven multiple times. The whole Seoul as a sea of fire meme is used by US politicians and other ignorant fuck heads to make the Norks seem like a greater threat than they are.

Here's the standard source http://nautilus.org/napsnet/napsnet-special-reports/mind-the-gap-between-rhetoric-and-reality/

>USA loses Vietnam by a bunch of farmers and soldiers masquerading as farmers
>USA lost Iraq by a bunch of goat farmers (inb4 cause Obama pulled out)
>USA is losing Afghanistan to a bunch of goat farmers, no victory in sight
>implying a military of 1 million strong living in the mountains won't cause fucking damage to the USA

>>34722192
Cracking NK mountains solves the problem of mining them.

>>34717174
>voluntary
It's cute that you believe that

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>>34721858
Military strategy 101 is to never let the enemy flee and regroup their force. The goal was to free Kuwait and keep it free. Not free it for 3 days then lose it to a counter attack.

And anyway that was absolutely no different from the rest of the AI missions that just bombed whatever vehicle was spotted rolling in a particular area.

Oh and quote from Chuck Horner, CinC of air operations during Desert Storm :
>This event was later called by the media "The Highway of Death. There were certainly a lot of dead vehicles, but not so many dead Iraqis. They'd already learned to scamper off into the desert when our aircraft started to attack. Nevertheless, some people back home wrongly chose to believe we were cruelly and unusually punishing our already whipped foes.

>>34721987
There was military vehicles in it, as well as stolen Kuwaiti civilian vehicle. And certainly Iraqi soldiers riding in them.

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>>34722192
>USA still a first world country
>all the "winners" you mentioned are now a pile of toxic rubble
>US economy boosted by all the stolen resources
>communism is dying faster than ever

>>34722390
>Military strategy 101 is to never let the enemy flee
[dubious claim][citation needed]

I recall Sun Zu saying you should never corner your enemy.

>>34722360
If what he's saying about the benefits is correct, I'd believe it

>>34722517
Sun tzu also never saw guns, planes, the bombs we have and running water and electricity. He was also talking about an enemy capable of putting up a fight. The Iraqi military is not capable of beating a bunch of dumb ass Persians.

>>34722517
Guderian shits all over Sun Tzu

>>34722517
>Sun Zu

wew lad

anyway putting the boot in a retreating enemy isn't the same as cornering them

>>34722517
They weren't cornered. The American military gave them a strategic retreat just so they could perform this.

>are you seriously implying you could've done a better job smashing one of the world's foremost militaries?

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>>34722723
context

>>34715790
> mAh sea of fire
> Push the Jews into the sea
It just ain't gonna happen

>>34717174
>voluntary

yes, yes, voluntary...you volunteer for service, or volunteer to get shot in the back of the head.

>>34722192
How exactly did we lose Vietnam when we forced the NVA to the peace table and forced them to sign the accords by literally BTFOing them almost completely out of existence
How was Iraq a loss at all given that a democratically elected government friendly to the US is now the de-facto national authority
And what exactly do you expect us to do in Afghanistan, genocide?

>>34721633
But we did. They surrendered. They sucked, died in mass quantities, lost, and signed the peace accords.
The fact they chimped out after we left changes nothing.

>>34722933
Talking about alternate facts

>>34715709
Were afraid of china/russia. Is that conplex? We could delete the norks in less than a day without using nukes or riflemen.

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>>34722933
NV/VC objectives:
Get rid of the French - success!
Kick the Americans - success!
Reunite Vietnam under the communist NV regime - success!

US objectives:
Aid the French - failed
Get rid of the communists - failed
Set up a puppet regime - failed
Leave in a dignified fashion - failed

>>34715790
>NK has more artillery pieces than any country in the world. More than 50% of SK's population is in range of this artillery.
Implying the first millitary action taken in a war with NK wouldn't be to destroy their artillery.

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>>34723310
>Set up a puppet regime - failed
>Leave in a dignified fashion - failed

Not that guy or even american

but they literally did preserve the Republic of Vietnam and finish the war with a respectable Status Quo Ante Bellum cease-fire.

The fall of Saigon only happened after the war and after US troops had gone home. After the war public opinion and congress were dead set against another war to protect South Vietnam so that when the North broke the cease fire no US help was sent

So your photo isn't even from during the Vietnam War

>>34722390
That poor east german IFA W50

>>34715644

Pilot doesn't need a flight/G-suit because the thing only taxis and runs down the runway and never leaves the ground.

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Depends on what you want to do with your military.

>Invade others?
No its utter shit
>Defend your own clay?
Its still rater shit quality, but they have tons of that shit and quantity is also a quality.

Honestly, nobody will win against the US, but you can still be on a Top 10 list for that.

>>34724550
Not to be that (eurocuck) guy, but the photo was taken in Viet Nam during an armed conflict that may have technically been after we formally left, but in reality, never really stopped.

We made the same mistake Obongo did in Iraq. We gave them a deadline for when we would pull out, then they just waited out the clock on us and got the W.

No point playing semantics. We didn't have the political will to win. They did, and should be admired for that, if nothing else.

>>34718951
>50:1
With 40 shells? Gosh that is impressive.

>>34715709
It's mainly because we're worried about collateral damage on the South, and because we don't want to piss off China. North Korea isn't enough of an immediate threat to warrant starting a nuclear fucking war, we're better off waiting for them to either collapse into even more extreme poverty/have a Chinese-backed coup to become slightly less retarded and belligerent.

>>34722685
at that point they already lost the war because they lost their air bases and only wanted to retreat, the goal of war was achieved

they also weren't offered to surrender when the column was caught in a traffic jam after its tail and head were bombed and was rendered helpless

yet again, it was simply a war crime

>>34718951
>The K2's equipment has it set to rack up absurd kill ratios. I'm talking 50:1. Hell, since they were smart enough to put millimeter-band fire control radar on it, they can literally automatically engage targets with a push of a button. This spells 'dead nork tank column'.

wut

that shit never participated in any battle, i bet dies to any atgm just fine and anyway mbt rarely fight each and don't do it in a manner of engaging the enemy in columns

the enemy tanks caught in open would rather die to airstrikes

>>34725618

Rounds can easily penetrate one tank and take out another behind it.

>>34725618
>>34727213
probably simulated combat

>>34728733
wait, you mean the south koreans have a special server where they simulate tank battles wot/wt style and track the statistics?

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Norks will melt when the US brings out the B61 Mod 12s. Why bother developing a guided bunker busting variable yield (down to .3 KT) nuclear bomb unless you intend to use it? These bombs are small enough to be deliverable by F-35s and F-22s.

top 1 desu

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>>34718769
Where would we start? It's one man, who probably doesn't have many friends; and definitely grew up playing vidya. It shouldn't be IMPOSSIBLE.

He's gotta have like, a secret Twitter or something.

Check out how they will capture the presidential palace when war does break out
https://youtu.be/YVFC3l4ZRK0

>>34715909
>or the fact that nobody wants to take responsibility of the impoverished, brainwashed, starving communist riceniggers once the war is over.

one million times this, it's the biggest problem with NK, nobody wants to deal with that shit.

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>>34729893
>MURRICA will field f35

Fuck all knows to be honest. On paper they'd give one hell of a fight, even if they don't posses technical prowess. On the other hand, their supply and logistic chain is suffering greatly and we know far too little about their actual morale and troop cohesion. Best guess is, the former is relatively high the later might be all over the place. I guess all this depends on their ultimate doctrine, everything about North Korean People's Army strikes me like bloated guerrilla troops with conventional support. Vietcong and North Vietnamese Army rolled into one, and if they play their cards right with underhanded tactics, they might win a defensive war (though not quite decisively). As an offensive army, even squared against South Korea they have very dubious qualities. KPA supply and logistics chain would probably faultier relatively quickly, but their sheer numbers and determination (as well as somewhat of an advantage at first strike capability against South Korea) might overpower South Korean technical advantage by a margin. When US and NATO gets involved, maybe even China... god knows, they'd probably lose too many troops and equipment to make an effective use of their defensive tactic after retreating over the border.

>>34731123
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-37426725

their domestic internet is very strange, i'd have to imagine any connections to the actual internet are being watched by everybody.

>>34729801
We are not shooting for real at each other in manuveurs and stuf.

>>34721662
>Turkey
lost 10 tank in one day fight IS (8)^0

>>34731479
yes, and?

>>34731516
by the ww2 standards it's a small loss :^)

>>34715790
>and it will FUCK YOU UP.
But I don't live in the upper half of South Korea...

>>34717174
For that to be true the entire populace would have to live in those cities. A good portion of the population is non-military farmers and other civilians.

>>34717714
>two military-less occupied countries could take out an autonomous country

>>34718448
Too much foreign media has leaked in through the Black Market to make them as devoted to the Kims as they were in the 90s during the Great Famine. During war many would probably defect.

>>34719070
They developed nukes in 1993.

>>34717467
Short version:
The US has radars capable of tracking artillery shells. Should the Norks try anything of the type, the exact positions of their guns will be known very quickly, and retribution will be sent their way. The size of the guns in question precludes the ability to simply move them out of the way.
So it'd go down like this:
>US tells Norks to fuck off and stop being niggers
>Norks chimp out and start shelling Seoul
>US and Sork counterbattery fire reks Nork long range artillery
>Norks BTFO, now the world has a bunch of underfed brainwashed riceniggers to take care of and no buffer state between Sork and China.

>>34718715
>launching missiles, which are not infinite
Reminder that AEGIS on US BMD ships is a thing, as is AEGIS ashore.

>>34731642
The same AEGIS that failed to detect a 40 thousand ton steel battering ram?

>>34725618
Or maybe they use up their ammo, return to the forward staging area for rearming and refueling, and return to combat. Like any other tank in the history of armored warfare.

>>34729801
Are you familiar with Steel Beasts Pro?

@34731649
This has been overdone, so you don't get a (You).

>>34721717
>>34721479
I mean the COD2 thing was actually true, it wasnt uncommon for russian soldiers to be thrown into battle unarmed and be expected to pick up weapons from the first line of cannon fodder troops they sent in to get razed by machine gun fire and mortars (source: whole family is ex ussr, only left post collapse)

>>34731743
>I mean the COD2 thing was actually true,

nah

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>>34727165

since when do you have offer surrender to an armed enemy convoy?

>at that point they already lost the war because they lost their air bases and only wanted to retreat

>dey was gud bois just wanting to go home. dey wasn't going regroup and counter-attack. dey dindu nuffins

I'd love to see this logic applied to other examples of harrying retreats

"omg those prussian hussars are riding down and killing routed french line infantry" "this is a war-crime plain and simple" "Blucher should be jailed for this"

>>34725618
This is a really stupid post, even by /k/ standard

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There's not a lot of competition. Most of the world is a shithole of barely functioning revolutionary or post-colonial governments who only keep a military around to kill their own citizens. Pax Americana did a number as well. Just let the US do it in exchange for hosting a base.

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>>34715709
Because A: it would be a bloodbath, mostly for the Norks, but the US is very casualty-phobic and any scenario of Korean conflict is going to be shitty, even though its a foregone conclusion that the Norks would get every hole fucked tight. And B: the outcome is even shittier. North Korea no longer exists, which is a crap outcome as South Korea (and by extension the US) may have to suddenly be responsible for 25 million illiterate underfed norks who have never voted, eaten a meal that wasn't rice and sawdust, or driven a car, as well as a country in a state that makes post-Ceaușescu Romania look like fucking Disneyland.

>>34718345
>>34718448
Would they actually wear these uniforms in combat or are these just for photo-ops? I have seen some modern looking camo in Nork military parades but I have no idea if it's standard issue.

>>34725368
This.