Why are German soldiers always regarded as "bad" and

>>34713670
The Jews

>>34713670
>werhaboo tries to hide that hes a werhaboo by posting imperial german soldier

>>34713670
Have you never seen all silent on the western front?

>>34713719
>implying being a wehraboo is a bad thing

>>34713710
Fpbp

Internationally, I would say Hollywood and the whole 'history is written by the winners'-thing.
In Germany today, the Prussian militarism and its traditions are demonised because people are afraid of anything the nazis ever touched. The soldiers of the world wars are seen by many just as brutal lowlifes that served evil autocrats and were good for nothing but violence. In the families of former Wehrmacht soldiers, the war was often a taboo, so the post war generations grew up linking 3rd Reich military with concepts rather than people close to them who were at the time part of it.

>>34713760
>Austrian Corporal
also losers

Widely viewed as having started and lost the two most destructive wars in human history. I think WW1 was an inevitability and would have started for pretty much any possible excuse. Not really fair to solely blame Germany (or their allies) for the decade long buildup or state of European politics at the time.

They were the first ones to field lethal chemical agents in World War 1 too. Again I consider this to be an inevitability of the war but being the first to do it is still a black mark in the history books. Especially if you lose.

World War 2 they were unquestionably the bad guys. They dressed the part, acted the part, had ridiculous personalities leading their government, they were cheesy fictional villain tier in almost every regard. They even had internecine fighting where the 'more evil' political side of the Nazi Party turned on the 'good natured fightin' men' SA who got them into power and murdered them almost to a man in one night.

I do think the tendency to portray World War 1 Germany as being Nazi Germany badguys is tremendously unfair.

I think Wonder Woman did a good job of portraying most of the Germans as people who just want the war to be over and want to go home

>>34713786
>rediculous personalities leading their government

I smell a war on the horizon with burgerland

>>34713786
>unquestionably the bad guys
Nah

History is written by the winners

>>34713786
did you forget the soviets were on our side?

>>34713859
What does that have to do with nazi atrocities?

>>34713933
Soviets were worse than the Nazis.

>>34713786
>Nazi's unquestionably the bad guys because they looked and acted like all the fictional villains created after the war based on the Nazi's
Of all the reasons you could have come up with, you landed on the most retarded one imaginable.

>>34713670

Cause Rome was like 'those motherfucking barbarians' and everyone else was like, YEAH. Then they ran away from the Huns and went North to become Vikings or went west to fight before France and occupy Rome. Then stuff happens cause of Christianity and Islam, that whole retarded time period since so many people died. Then Germans occupied parts of Britain, more fighting for centuries. Later WWI and WWII happens and that made things bad.

>>34713710
Unironically this. History is written by the victors.

>>34713965
In the same way that the black death was worse than the spanish flu, you faggot.

>>34713786
>Nazis were unquestionably evil

Ironic that China and Russia were on our side and that everyone forgets about those rotten little Jap fucks.

>>34714015
>everyone forgets about those rotten little Jap fucks.
We gave them a break because we nuked their rotten asses

>>34713786
>World War 2 they were unquestionably the bad guys.
According to the history books, which were notably not written by the Germans. You can bet if the Germans had won, people would be taught about the horrors the people of Dresden faced and the subjugation Japanese American faced at the hands of their caricaturally evil American captors, as well as the utterly immoral acts of the soviets. Basically, no war ever has an unquestionable bad guy, real life is too nuanced. It is simply the nature of a victor to self-aggrandize.

>>34713710
FPBP

>>34713993
Soviets killed more than Nazis and AIDS combined. Checkmate.

Sure is naziboo ITT

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>>34713670
>German soldiers always regarded as "bad" and "evil" and never get recognition for heroic acts?
Because another mans hero is another mans villain.

WW1
> Invasion and subsequent rape of A neutral country
> First use of poison gas
> Deliberate bombardment of civilians
> Unrestricted submarine warfare

WW2
> Invasion of various neutral countries
> Deliberate bombardment of civilians
> Mistreatment of soviet POWs
> Numerous massacres
> Unrestricted submarine warfare
> The hollocaust

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>>34713670
History is written by the victors
>>34713710
This to
>>34713786
>World War 2 they were unquestionably the bad guys.
I disagree the Soviets were a larger threat in my opinion

>>34714036
Um no sweety ;)

>>34714143
Man, a lot of countries and civilizations are now villains, by that criteria

>>34714036
If Germans were winning there would be no Dresden raid, otherwise I agree

>>34713933
Look up operation torch man if you really want to learn about "Nazi atrocities"

>>34713670

Because "Muh Nazis."

>>34714143
Jesus Fucking Christ it seems like /leftypol/ shilling didn't work on the main board so they came over to /k/. Hope you guys are smarter than this.

>>34714236
> thinking that various war crimes are justified.
You need to see a head doctor m8

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>>34714264
>war crimes

>>34714187
the allied landing in Africa?

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>>34714274
> invading a neutral country isn't a war crime.

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>>34713710
this pretty much

Ever heard of Kurt Knispel? You know, the deadliest tanker in human history? I wouldn't be surprised if you have with this being /k/ but if not, well its because he was on the "wrong side" of history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Knispel

>>34714264
>thinking that the concept of "war crimes" is anything other than self-crippling bullshit

>>34714290
I don't think it is
however killing POWs and bombarding cities in there is

>>34714290
If it is, the US has committed a LOT of war crimes.

>>34714307
Precisely, if you commit war crimes all you do is enrage the enemy.
Look at dresden, concentration camp retaliations, Russian atrocities in nazi germany,

Do it again harry! do it again!

>>34714347
That's poor logic.
You have as much a chance to demoralize the enemy as enrage them when you commit a "war crime."
The concept of making certain actions during war "war crimes" is childish and illogical.

>>34714307
explain to me how something like Wormhoudt helps your war effort

>>34714361
Because the london blitz totally demoralised londoners...

>>34714388
>>34714384
Referencing isolated events is not an argument

>>34713993
The soviets and nazis had similar methods, but at least the nazi cause was sound. So if I had to pick between the two, I'd pick the nazis.

>>34714423
only systematic war crimes count now?

>>34713670
>Why are German soldiers always regarded as "bad" and "evil"
Because they fought for the wrong side and lost

>and never get recognition for heroic acts?
Except they do

>>34714051
even if you blame every WW2 death on nazism, which is dishonest, communism still killed twice as many people.

>>34713670
Go ask /his/

>>34714143
>Implying most neutral countries weren't invaded to prevent the British from landing there
And the rest is countries hitler invaded because they either a)declared war first b)were invaded by Italy and hitler needed to bail them out

>>34713976

Did you overlook the rest of my post?

The Night of the Long Knives isn't something that gets much airtime in things "based off the nazis" but it is a prime example of them being movie villains. In pretty much any narrative or presentation the side who murders their allies in the middle of the night to seize absolute power is going to be cast as the bad guys.

In fact the more you know about how the NASDP operated the more clear it is how insane and retarded they were. Their entire economic plan was unsustainable without war and they were fresh off the heels of losing the last World War to almost the exact same powers that defeated them a second time. Their military and political organization was full of miniature fiefdoms all bitterly fighting one another and actively sabotaging their rivals. They worked thousands of their own people (ie: "real germans") to death making bricks for their fantasy megastructures and public works.

>>34714291
I actually never heard about him until Steel Division

>>34714471
no anon
can't you understand that 3rd Reich was a paradise that Jews have taken from us?

>>34714435
Oh yes, enslaving the rest of Europe so that trve germans could LARP as the Roman Empire is totally sound.

>>34713670
Because they lost. The winners write history.

>>34714236
>nazis being the bad guys is /leftypol/
holy shit, this is an entirely new level of delusion

>>34714423
After WW2 on the surrender on both fronts, british troops would go round executing entire battalions, in the case of Europe it was entirely unofficial and would execute anyone who attempted to hide their unit by removing patches or having no top on.

In the asia same deal except it was endorsed by officers.

I can't think of any war crime that didn't have a retaliation.

>>34714470
> Belgium
> Netherlands
> Denmark
> Norway
> Greece
> Yugoslavia
Only france managed to get off a declaration.

>>34714562
Except Stalin wanted to enslave all of Europe in order to LARP as himself. And larping as himself meant "GULAG FOR YOU" or execution for anyone he didn't like, or who made him paranoid enough.

Germany was at least more sane in that, they had a stated group of enemies. And they were consistent with their doctrines in handling those enemies. From economics to yes, the poor, poor jews.


Stalin was not very consistent,and he jumped from executing citizens to his generals pretty haphazardly.

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>>34713710
fpbp

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>>34714751
>After WW2 on the surrender on both fronts, british troops would go round executing entire battalions,

>Hmmm

>>34714471
My point is you are comparing them to movie villains based on themselves. It's the most braindead analogy ever, yet I see it made all the time. And it isn't like the Soviets didn't have bloody internal power struggles (with much higher death tolls in said struggles), you just haven't been beaten over the head with them as an archetype. I'm not defending the Nazi's like some in this thread, I'm attacking this "history started in Berlin in 1944" mentality. The reason you associate these 'bad guy' tropes with Nazi's isn't because the Nazi's fulfilled them, it's because the tropes were fashioned after the Nazi's in the wake of the war.
On a purely historical note, the purging of the SA wasn't done so Hitler could have absolute power, at least not in the immediate sense. It was done to appease the old guard of the German military who didn't want the leadership of the SA anywhere near the armed forces. Hitler betrayed the SA because they were too revolutionary and extreme for the liking of the aristocracy that he needed as allies. The people that formed the SS were actually less extreme than the SA, at least with regard to German internal politics at the time, as they were willing to work within the political and military institutions that were already present rather than having their own version of the Bolshevik Revolution. Additionally everything else you said applies to every expansionist imperial power, except the brick thing which is pure nonsense. The only thing that makes the Nazi's exceptionally bad was the unprecedented rate at which they accomplished their spectacular rise and collapse, and resulting spectacularly high rate of deaths that went along with it. Everything else is a anachronistic emotional response to the post war Ultimate Bad Guy trope that was created with them in mind.

>>34714290
Neutrality has never been respected except by accident of geopolitics. It's the international equivalent of puting up a no guns allowed sign.

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>>34714841
the NHS does marvellous things

>>34713670
Because they lost, so the winners wrote history to suit themselves.

>>34715150

Really it doesn't.

>I'd still probably have sex with her
>After trolling her on twitter a little bit

I don't think the NHS had anything to do with slaying battalions of Nazi's though, some how. People in their 80's with complex health concerns? Sure, Nazis? No.

Reference some sources my confused German neighbor.

Why does everyone think the average wehrmacht soldier is a SS concentration camp leader in charge of gassing the jews? They were just normal people that got stuck in a war they were forced to fight in, who ultimately wanted to go home and be with their family.

>>34713670
This board and most of the relevant part of the world now is in an American Sphere of Influence. Democracy is the "holy" form of government, one which has to be protected, so it's not just Nazis but anything that isn't Democracy that is looked down upon and an extreme in mind of the people. That obviously ignores countless years of history and cultures. So no, it's not just Germany, it's Japan and Russia and everyone else that has a history of not working hand in hand to Liberty and Equality. A simple modern day viewpoint that has become the norm.

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>>34715207
fuk off blud i aint no turk

>>34715227
Because people often take the worst case example and apply it as being the norm.
That's not restricted to just this topic.

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>>34713859
The Nazis carved up Poland in a pact with the Soviets.

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>>34715300
> Provokes two empires in a war
> Not just any empires, two white supremacist empires.
> Leads to creation of bignoseistan
What the fuck were they thinking?

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>>34715345
> Muh grandpa did nothing wrong
its a good thing they lost because this wold would be full of people like you

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>>34715300
yes and the British entered the war on the pretext of saving Poland.....then let the Russians have Poland after the war.

>>34715227
>muh wehrmacht dindu nuffin, it was da ss that was the bad guys

>>34715391
German started the war on the pretext of stopping Bolshevism from spreading in Europe...by allying with the USSR.

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>>34715233

ur avin a cheeky little giggle m8 i see u shitpostin in ur meterd cab

I can smell the turners m8

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>>34715434
Don't you dare post Ainsley Harriott, or i'll oil up your mum and ye sister then gently spitroast them just like ready steady cook, i swear on it m8

>>34715432
get that bologna propaganda out of here

>>34713670
Why do you care so much?
>>34714036
>subjugation Japanese American faced at the hands of their caricaturally evil American captors
There are plenty of history books that do just this. Have you gone to school in the last 30 years?

>>34713786

>They were the first ones to field lethal chemical agents in World War 1

FALSE

FUCKING FALSE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHFEPu_ANI

>>34714143

> First use of poison gas
False. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrHFEPu_ANI

> Deliberate bombardment of civilians
[Citation Needed]

> Unrestricted submarine warfare
Everyone did this.

>The Holocaust
Okay now I know you're some retarded American Millennial who has never done a single bit of real research

>>34714264

>If a Hollywood movie and my Rabbi said so, it's a war crime.

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>>34713670
They're portrayed as bad because they always lose

>>34715797
War crimes are defined in the statute that established the International Criminal Court, which includes:

Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions, such as:
Willful killing, or causing great suffering or serious injury to body or health
> Torture or inhumane treatment
> Unlawful wanton destruction or appropriation of property
Forcing a prisoner of war to serve in the forces of a hostile power
Depriving a prisoner of war of a fair trial
> Unlawful deportation, confinement or transfer
> Taking hostages

The following acts as part of an international conflict:

Civilians killed in the shelling of east Ukraine's Luhansk. According to the HRW report, "The use of indiscriminate rockets in populated areas violates international humanitarian law, or the laws of war, and may amount to war crimes."
> Directing attacks against civilians
Directing attacks against humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
Killing a surrendered combatant
Misusing a flag of truce
Settlement of occupied territory
> Deportation of inhabitants of occupied territory
> Using poison weapons
Using civilians as shields
Using child soldiers
Firing upon a Combat Medic with clear insignia.
The following acts as part of a non-international conflict:
> Murder, cruel or degrading treatment and torture
Directing attacks against civilians, humanitarian workers or UN peacekeepers
Taking hostages
> Summary execution
Pillage
Rape, sexual slavery, forced prostitution or forced pregnancy

Plenty of jewish POWs in poland were sent to death camps, so it counts as a war crime

Regardless its a crime against humanity

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>>34713786
>They dressed the part, acted the part, had ridiculous personalities leading their government,
That's because a ridiculous caricature of them has been used as the archetype for any villainous group in our media since the war started. They're to us what we are to North Koreans.

>>34715940

>Koreans being eaten by dogs
>pottery

Ever wonder what would have happened if Britain and the US had early on declared support for Germany against Russia? Just give the Germans their Liebensraum, and let the Japs go buck wild on a much closer enemy that they realistically might stand some chance of imperializing. Fuck, they already hated the Chinese, maybe this could have set them up. All parties would be interested in the massive resources of Russia. Fighting Germany gets you fucking nothing. Brits would probably be content to tell France to go fuck itself and submit to German rule (and sure enough, France submitted right quickly).

We could have avoided the Cold War, Korean War, Vietnam War, and all iterations of communist banana republics forever.

Hell, we probably could have avoided the Holocaust by convincing Hitler that the Jews should be given some Muslim land and allowed/forced to relocate (that eventually happened anyway). Remember, the Final Solution didn't develop until well into WWII. As long as Hitler could demonize Jews and perhaps permanently run them off to a "promised land" away from Germany, with the promise of getting lots of resources and land for Germany on other fronts, he'd have been massively happy to work on all of that new wealth with some big players as trade and industry partners. Fighting a war of expansion only lasts until you get enough resources to protect against immediate threats and then actually do something useful with that land you just bombed the shit out of.

Jussayin'...I don't think we did the world any favors by choosing sides with the Commies, even though that choice may have been forced on us by Japan.

>>34715964
wew

>>34713670
have you ever met a german ?

>>34713670
Franz Stigler.

>>34715900

>Holohaux propagandist

Opinion discarded

>>>/pol/

>>>/pol/

>>>/pol/

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>>34715788
>Okay now I know you're some retarded American Millennial who has never done a single bit of real research
We caught a live one boys!Let's trigger the nazi!

If this dumbass had seen the video he posted,he would have learned that the gas the french used was tear gas.

>>34716127
Edgelord.

You probably still think the earth is flat so that you can be a hipster.

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>>34716127
https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

Read nigger,read!

>>34716196

>Biased report from the group of people who would stand to gain the most money and influence from lying about their experiences in the war

You have no fucking clue how "credible sources" work do you?

Believing a report from Jews about their treatment is like believing a report by Coca-Cola that says Coke cures cancer.

It's called victim bias for a fucking reason.

>>34713670
Because normies are kike worshipping cucks.

>>>/pol/

>>34713670
Because those heroic acts were directly harmful for the Allies. Not so heroic when the dude killed 20 American soldiers to save his buddy.

>>34716288
>Because retards are nazi worshipping cucks.
FTFY

>>34713670
Because they lost.

>>34714751
All the countries you listed are part of what I was talking about, I'm not sure why you wrote that

>>34714562
Where do you get your history, school textbooks?

>>34713670

Krauts have been trying to destroy Europe since 9AD

>>34716170
Tear gas is poisinous and can be lethal.
Nice sperg, but you're still fucking stupid.

>>34713670
Cry baby brits

>>34715985
hitler wanted to deport the jews to madagascar, but britain wouldn't let him

>>34713732
No and neither have you since it's called "All Quiet on the Western Front".

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>>34713710
yup.

>>34715940
>American MPs attempt to calm Korean war refugees by allowing them to play with doggos.
Woah. America is really a great nation.

>>34714291
Jesus, even wikipedia barely has anything to say about this guy.

>>34713670
Because they lost.

>>34713710
this

>>34718902
That bush tho

>>34713710
FPBP

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>>34713786

>nazis were unquestionably the bad guys

either you're a kike or ur baiting

also bolshevism never happened :^^^^^^)

>>34720577
Underage pls go

>>34714993
Quality post

>>34715432
Simplified to the point of being wrong

>>34713670
Because their "heroic" acts were in support of a nation that was currently busy genociding slavs, jews, gays, and roma.

>>34714784
Okay? This is still comparing eating dog shit to eating cat shit

>>34715964
wew

>>34715985
Deporting the Jews was always the plan, and that was probably a good thing, they only started killing them/ letting them starve once the only option was to either kill them or feed them indefinitely

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>>34714562
But Mussolini never succeeded in that...