>small >light >high capacity >easier to shoot than

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>>34696481
what's this? extra trigger?

mag release? why would you have mag release that can accidentally be pressed?

>>34696721
Grip safety

>>34696721
Grip safety.
>>34696514
This with a cheap short suppressor would be my HD gun if the NFA didn't exist.

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>>34696481
>If the NFA didn't exist, would submachine guns be the most popular firearm for home defense?
no, but short barreled PCCs would be
1200+ rpm with a 32 round mag and a flimsy stock isn't a potent HD setup with more then one intruder

>>34696721
it's a grip safety retard

>>34696795
are those arms natty?

>>34696761
>>34696765
>>34696812
>needing to press down not one but two triggers to shoot the gun

why tho

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>>34696721
You noticed that bulge on purpose, didn't you?

>>34696822
so the trigger doesnt get accidentally pulled when snagged on something
Admittedly less useful on this than something that goes in a holster

>>34696822
Because it's an open bolt SMG.
Honestly, it's one of the few Guns to really benefit from the addition of a grip safety.

>>34696822
It presses just by holding it, hence the name

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>>34696481
>jams on any type of ammo that isn't kosher
pass over this one, anon.

>>34696481
>If the NFA didn't exist, would submachine guns be the most popular firearm for home defense?

I think they would. They'd also be ideal for self defense, though really it would be machine pistols (Say, like the glock 18c). Especially if it supported burst fire. 3 rounds to the chest with a single trigger pull. Sounds good to me.

Fuck the NFA. The civilian firearms market would looke unrecognizable if tax stamps and registration didn't exist. Imagine all the automatic pistols, short barrel carbines, and other shit. Imagine something like the Maxim 9 but automatic as well.

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>>34696822
>he never handled a 1911

>>34696892
With the advent of the binary trigger, new types of sig braces and the ATFs reversal on them. The NFA us being circumvented more anymore each day. Hopefully the HPA will pass and it will start a trend of decriminalization of nfa shit.

>>34696534
This with a collapsible stock, suppressor, and an aimpoint micro would be my dream HD gun.

>>34696795
>2017
>Not carrying a submachine gun in your man purse

>>34697181
/k/ is it gay to carry a man purse for the sole purpose of concealing a submachine gun?

>>34697214
>not having a MAC-10 on a shoulder rig for personal defense should the NFA be repealed
Faggot.

>>34697298
>having to wear a trench coat everywhere

>>34697324
>thinking a shoulder holster full of fuck you requires a trench coat
I wear a long sleeved button up with the sleeves rolled up and I CC a Jericho 941 and extra mag.

You can fit a lot more than you think, and if you don't speed about printing a little a MAC wouldn't be a problem.

>>34697214
it's a satchel and Indiana Jones had one with a revolver in it. But the correct choice is a briefcase.

>>34697340
Obesity is a serious medical concern

>>34696892
2-round burst PMR-30 CC gun when

>>34696481
a carbine with V-max still wins, sorry.

Fuck yes they'd be popular for HD

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>>34696481
So, possible dumb question, but I understand the general consensus is that SBR's outperform SMGs and all, but I still see them fielded by police and the odd specialized soldier. Is this due to cost or convenience mostly? Or is it a penetration thing in which case would they come back in style as the lines between policing and soldiering continue to blur?

>>34697377
All I want is a CZ 75 with 2-round burst and a folding shoulder stock.

Is that so much to ask?

>>34696822
>he's never shot a 1911
Get the fuck out

>>34697389
the SMGs are all ready purchased, same with the pallets of ammo for them.

>>34696927
>>34697412
Handled a 1911 a few months ago, and because I didnt depress the safety all the way it fidnt fire one time and decided it was irrefutably shit.

>>34697449
How in the fuck are you holding it?

If a secure grip isn't depressing the safety, you are either doing it wrong, or have mutant hands.

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>>34697449
You must have the smallest manlet hands ever. My 12 year old self never had a problem when my dad bought his first 1911.

>>34696817
yes

>>34696795
>>34697181
>2017
>not shooting your support hand while LARPing with a gun that puts it right next to the muzzle

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Uzi nine millimeter

>>34697400
How about that new B&T pdw made from Sphinx parts? 2-round burst that

>>34696481

Even after years of using an M16-A2 and M4, and being forced to acknowledge the inherent benefits of an intermediate rifle cartridge, I still think that for 100 meters and under combat situations, a suppressed MP5 or other similar weapons platform is one of the top-tier choices. My opinion is that for most situations that might require non red zone use of a longarm, the subgun or PCC and shotgun are very, very dangerous. You get the soft-recoiling and reduced noise from a subgun/PCC, and also more effective burst, full auto and controlled pair firing along with the absolutely devastating effects of a shotgun with an increased variety of loads to utilize, with everything from zinc breaching slugs to varied sizes of buckshot along with high-accuracy and hard-hitting modern slug designs. A team-sized element armed with 2-3 subguns/PCC, a shotgun and a modular rifle with an optic would be nightmarish to face in most scenarios.

If there was no NFA, literally every gun I would own would be a 9mm SMG except for a couple of ARs.

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> Day 34
> The other uzi still dont realize im not an uzi.

>>34696481
As someone who has owned a micro-uzi, they are pieces of shit.

>>34696481
It's open bolt. In semi a pistol will be more accurate, unless the stock is deployed.

>>34696481
Yeah, probably. In the same way that handguns are basically obsolete for infantry, yet the most relevant weapon for private citizens. SBRs/PDWs or SBSs would be very popular.

>>34697449

Manlet, retard, or both

>>34696481
First of all there are SMG's and machine pistols, Micro Uzi is typically called MP.

The difference between them is pretty small in general, but think of MP's as about PDW's in ordinary pistol calibers while SMG's are much longer and less handy.

Western doctrine generally hates the idea of MP, so they're mostly used by the special police and bodyguards - people who need lots of firepower in compact package. In the ex eastern block they've used to be issued to tank crews etc.

Obviously their characteristics make them good weapons for civilians, but I'm not entirely convinced for one single reason. The reason is - the NFA machinegun register was closed because gangbangers modified tec-9 to be full auto(as usual, gun grabbers used it as a pretext to enforce gun grabbing). Make MP's less severely regulated and you're gonna see Jamals and Pedros doing 10 times more collateral damage during gang shootouts because now they have full auto machine pistol and due to being retarded they turn them into AA weapon after 3-4 shots because can't into recoil control and don't bother with trigger control - if it makes noise then it kills people... or so they think.

Basically opening the doors for machine pistols to become a commonplace is giving free ammo to gun grabbers, you can legalize heavy artillery and private nuclear warheads and nothing like this will happen, but let those guns to be legal and suddenly every single fucking nigger will somehow get his hands on one.

>>34697354
Your assumption that I'm obese is sad.

I am 5'10 and 230, but I have fairly good muscle/fat ratio.

I just wear baggy clothes.
>>34699698
That's sexy.

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>>34700014

>>34697389
Above all - they're already there. They bought them long ago and they don't break that easily.

However there are few arguments for them.

First of them is lower recoil which is always nice. Second is that great majority of them are cheap when buying in bulk(especially open-bolt ones like the gun on your pic). Third is lower structural penetration which for law enforcement is obvious advantage, as is easier suppression. Their biggest disadvantage - lower range - doesn't matter on ranges police typically shoots. Shit bodyarmour penetration is also a problem only once in a blue moon so most of the times you're not going to be bothered with it.

>>34696481

Most popular? Maybe not. Best option? Yes.

What exactly is the distinction between a submachine gun and a machine pistol? I'm assuming its something size and weight related since they both would fire handgun cartridges.

>>34700119
basically machine pistol is a small submachine gun, roughly the size of a large handgun. while a submachine gun is generally a carbine.

>>34700033
>he doesn't know that even built or /fit/ people can have an obese bmi
You just ousted yourself as the obese one, faggot

>>34700207
>implying you are /fit/

>>34700033
By your logic Arnold blacknigger is a fat sack of shit and always had been.

>>34700306
>>34700650
>>34700033

By Army regs, I'm 10-15 pounds overweight depending on the day, but I make tape with a 30 inch waste and haven't failed a PT test since basic.

Keep wishing you were us, faggot.

>>34700119
Mostly just size, and honestly the line between them is more of a gradient.

>>34696992
This. I can finally live out my SMG fantasies with Sigs MPX. Just get a collapsible "brace", a binary trigger, and your'e good to go

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>>34697043
:^)

>>34700782
>chinweld.jpg

>>34699313
> Not owning a Tunguska
> Not removing troublesome youth with AA.
> Being this gay in alternate universe where NFA doesn't exist.

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Are 9mm Ar's worth a damn?

I kinda wanna build one that takes Colt mags, but only if it's reliable.

>>34696817
fatty*

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>>34696534

>>34696892
Surplus M16 A1 and A2 lowers on the market for low, low prices.

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>>34696833
>Uzis
>bulges
My kinda thread

>>34700824
Just get one that takes Glock mags.

But yeah 9mm AR's are super fun imo.

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>>34699698
>be American Jew
>Americans don't like me
>Jew relatives in the promised land don't like me either
feelsbadman

>>34700802
I would literally be shooting suppressed 9mm off the back porch nearly 24x7 and could afford to.

I would also want a PKM so maybe I should say 90% would still be 9mm SMGs.