Holy crap this is genius. Why wasn't something like this

what is it? boomerangs?

>>34691602
Because arrows fly too fast to be intercepted by those things. Also it'd be extremely slow to reload, and hard to get decent coverage for your troops.

>>34691602
Because better armor and better shields are way less retarded.
Also, most arrow kills are done at very short range anyway (less than 50m away).

>>34691616
Not really, arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords. The real issues are like you said it would be difficult to position such devices that they would properly hit the bulk of the arrow rain and shields are more practical in the vast majority of cases.

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damn, tell me what are those things!

please

>>34691651
Fiction

>>34691651
I assume it's a finned / spinning ballista bolt with steel cables attached?

I saw this movie but that didn't really stick out with all the other stupid shit in those battle scenes.

>>34691651

Looks like some kind of bolo wrapped around a ballista arrow type of thing

>>34691639
A swordsman who plans to deflect an arrow with a sword needs to have excellent accuracy and timing. These things are just spinning randomly.

Didn't you ever try to deflect a thrown object by swinging a stick really fast as a kid?

>>34691677
Yeah, it's called baseball

>>34691672
oh i see, ty

something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain-shot then, but i dunno if it was used with ballistas

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>>34691681

>>34691602
just use the japanese balloon cape things

>>34691639
Fuck off autist.

>>34691681
You have a weird way to play baseball then.

>>34691632
This

>>34691602
Well ignoring how difficult that thing would be to build and how much it would divert from important resources, it only works in the movie because the elves are retarded and are conveniently doing what it needs to work. They could send their arrows on a better and lower trajectory, or simply not send arrows in perfectly timed volleys.

Goddamn that movie was as retarded as it was bad.

>>34691906
they would still heave losses to those things though

for cannons the main purpose of chain shots it's to kill dudes (like the crew of an enemy ship etc), i am not sure if balistas have enough energy for them to be really deadly but it sounds as a decent idea overall imo

after all bolas are thrown by hand and they are not ineffective

>>34691919
>for cannons the main purpose of chain shots it's to kill dudes (like the crew of an enemy ship etc),
No. The main purpose of chain shots is to disable the ship. Canister shots are for killing men.

>>34691651
rifled ballista with tied samurai silk.

Samurai silk deflects arrows.

>>34691928
>The main purpose of chain shots is to disable the ship.
This, mainly fucking up masts and rigging.

anyway it's effective as anti-personnel load too

>Chain shot was sometimes used on land as an anti-personnel load. It was used by the defenders of Magdeburg in May 1631 as an anti-personnel load, which, according to counselor Otto von Guericke, was one reason for the extreme violence of the victorious attackers.[3]

>>34691951
Samurai silk was used on the backs of horsemen in a parachute fashion, this shit is spinning.

>>34691602
I'm pretty sure this was an extra scene not included in the original version. It's pretty easy to see why.

>>34692108
sympathy to white western looking elves over some goat fuckers?

>>34692059
Yeah pretty much anything that can be shot out of a canon and retain enough velocity to the target is a effective anti-personnel load.
But chain shot has somewhat of an reputation as being exceptionally bad because it would have somewhat of a spectacular effect on people, i am however not so sure that it was more effective then grape shot or similar dedicated anti-personnel loads.

>>34691919
>chain shots it's to kill dudes
Why do you come here and talk about things you don't know about?

>>34692156
maybe you try to read the thread

>>34691602
Thanks for reminding me how much these movies disappointed me

>>34692108
Someone please post the webm where Mary-Sue Bloom spacewalks over a collapsing bridge. Or don't. I'd rather prefer if you don't

>>34691602
Because it wouldn't fucking work and shields existed. It could be rendered completely useless by firing arrows at different times...

>>34691602
The simple answer is because it was unnecessary.

An arrow shot in such a high trajectory will not have much energy when it reaches the ground.
The problem is that arrows flex a LOT in flight, which creates a shit ton of drag. Because of this, they slow down rather quickly, meaning they wouldn't fly that high. To make matters worse, when they come back down, even if they stopped flexing, they've still got a lot of drag, meaning that reaching terminal velocity is probably impossible, and that terminal velocity won't be impressive either.

We have a fair amount of accounts of what happened when a slow flying arrow (in these cases from bows of low draw weight instead of retarded trajectories) hit an armored target:
Jack shit.
For example, during the first crusade, there were a lot of cases of Europeans being hit by arrows from rather weak bows. They couldn't pierce their way through an aketon, and they bounced off mail.

If we look at the late middle ages, with longbows and those spectacularly heavy-duty crossbows, it's abundantly clear that they were direct-fire weapons, usually only shot from pretty close distances to ensure they could at least get through some of the lighter types of armour. Getting through heavy armour with an arrow or bolt is of questionable feasibility anyway.

>>34692204
>Getting through heavy armour with an arrow or bolt is of questionable feasibility anyway.
Definitely so. In Agincourt, despite the myths of the English longbow, the arrows failed to penetrate the French attackers' armour, despite there being so many arrows the French were afraid of having the slits of their helmets penetrated.

>>34691709
They only worked from behind while moving but are fucking genius designs.

>>34691602
That would never fly at all. The force needed to spin them would be more than he force to launch and would need to be perfectly balanced. If it managed to hit one arrow would put it off course and my be effective. You'd need to launch waves of them one behind the other in series but there's no way the device that is supposed to fire it could be reloaded and fired in succession

The reward is much lower than you think and way more ineffective. This only works in fantasy.

>>34691672
that is from hobbit 3 i guess ...i never saw that scene?! Did I sleep during that scene? I watched that movie just once .. is it some kind of extended scene?

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>>34691602
Just get some armor my dude at arms

>>34692660
i have read hobbit but i had no idea dwarves killed elves there

>>34692690
well they didn't keep to the book in many point ...
still I meant the movie. I did not see that scene ..

all you need are a stick with two rotors and spring you can wind up and let go, then you need like a ballista or something to shoot the stick. wam, stick gets shot, spring unloads and the stick rotates.

>>34692730
>all you need are a stick with two rotors and spring you can wind up and let go, then you need like a ballista or something to shoot the stick.
Also disable the laws of physics so it might have a slight chance of actually flying, maybe.

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>>34692777
Ever had one of those sticks with a rotor on top you would spin in your hand and then let go? Those flew pretty good.

>>34692688
>"my dude"
you're scum
go back to middle school

>>34691639
>Not really, arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords.

Clearly you've never actually shot a bow, or even seen an arrow used in person...
or used a sword or a stick
or watched a video
or read a textbook
or done anything that involves either a sword or an arrow.

Basically you're an autist who's only frame of reference is Lord of the Rings.

>>34692660
Same.
I don't remember this?

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>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords

>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords
That literally only works in martial arts demonstrations where the swordsman knows exactly where the arrow is coming from, when it will be fired, only has to deflect one slow-moving arrow from a low draw weight bow, and isn't having to do any other fighting.

There's no way to do that under battlefield conditions.

>>34692660
>>34692991
it's part of the extended cut.
this scene was deleted for obvious reasons.

>>34692991
and I started to think I wasn't paying attention there ...

>>34693000
aaah thanks
yeah obvious ...

>>34692807
Do you understand the concept of drag?
Try shooting that same thing from a bow and report back.

>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted away by swords

JUST LIKE MY JAPANESE ANIMES

>>34692688
Sauce

>>34692977
ex-archer here
less than 40 feet and you're fucked. 70 feet and up you can see the thing coming and swat it if you're good enough.

>>34692993

>that gif

didn't someone test this with a fucking poker card and it actually stopped the hammer or slowed it down enough to not set off a cartridge?

shit was crazy.

>>34694677
I have an extensive fear that a leaf will fall in front of my hammer one day and I'll get screwed.

>>34691602
God, they totally butchered that battle. It's so detailed in the book.

>>34694647
so, how was life in the middle ages?

>>34692690
They didn't. I just reread the Hobbit and the Dwarves and Elves only get close to fighting. The Goblins from the North arrive and everyone turns their focus to them.

>>34694771
Everything smelled like shit, but I could rape whatever I wanted.

>>34692690
they did have a huge battle in the book, buy Bilbo fell asleep right before it started and missed the whole thing, so none of it is in the book
the third movie is literally about one scene that wasnnot described at all on the book

Hi medieval warfare fag here, Most arrows didn't hit or kill their intended targets (Unless very lightly armoured) If they did hit it was because volley fire like in the clip op posted. So shields could esily combat arrows most arrows did was harass the enemy or slow them down.

>>34691602
>>34691616

So lets actually do some math about this.

Using the Welsh/English longbow as reference, since that's a human bow and fiction elves are always better than humans in archery.

Reproduction longbows from the Mary Rose can launch an arrow at about 170-190 feet/second (52-58 meters/second). The shaft of an arrow recovered off the same ship is 30.5" long, or .77 meters.

At the arrow's fastest speed, the twirly things would have to spin at 68 RPS in order to not have the blades miss the entire length of an arrow between rotations. The things seem to have two blades, which cut this number by 2 down to 34 RPS. This is a "worst" case number that should stop 100% of arrows, reducing the RPS linearly reduces the probability of intercepting an arrow down to 0% at 0 RPS.

The next fact to consider is relative velocity, the arrows are slower than right when they leave the bow, but the relative velocity is increased by the twirly-things approaching the arrows. I don't have data on how much arrows slow down, so might as well mulligan it out by saying that the lost velocity by the arrows is cancelled out by the velocity of the things.

2200 RPM is still an absurdly high number for pre-industrial mechanisms. The movie depictions do not nearly rotate 34 times per second. I counted about 8 RPS or so in slow-mo, which would let 75% of arrows through, a nearly useless defense.

>>34691602

Which PS2 game is that?

>>34692214
>French
>afraid of having a slit penetrated

Negro please.

>>34694623
Junketsu no Maria. The battle scenes were absolutely ligit. The author of the manga and the animators of the anime really did their homework.
>tfw all of the arms and armor are period correct
>tfw purple carrots

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>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords

>>34691681
BTFO

>>34691651

The Peter Hackson Special

>>34697702
>Junketsu no Maria

a perfectly good cav charge ruined by some dumb hentai slut coming in on a magic broom. anime is so shit

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>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords

>>34692660
it's a deleted scene, too retarded for even fantasy.

>>34691681
Okay let's assume that you're Barry fucking Bonds and you hit the ball 30% of the time. 70% of the time you're still dead AND the arrows are flying faster and are way smaller, and your "bat" weighs 5-10 more pounds.

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>>34699832
>swords
>even weighing 5lbs let alone 5-10lbs MORE than a bat
fuckin pleb
the rest is right though

>>34699832
you're right except swords weigh like 3 lbs

>>34691651
Fidget spinners

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>>34700178
>Midget spinners

>>34694647
Depends, how many pounds behind the arrow and how heavy is the arrow?

>>34691639
I too, am an aficionado of Japanese anime.

>>34694677
hammers aren't very strong so it's not surprising at all

>>34699857
Try that with a real bullet, ching-chong.

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>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords

>>34699857
The question wasn't bullets, it was arrows, white pig.

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>>34699857
Wait you think think that hitting a bb going under 300fps is the same thing as cutting an arrow that's going 500fps, or a bullet that is probably going 1400fps+ at least?

>>34691639
>Not really, arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords
Not in real life they don't.

>>34692204
>For example, during the first crusade, there were a lot of cases of Europeans being hit by arrows from rather weak bows.
That wasn't the case at all. There are NO sources that comment on the turkish bows being weak. None.

>>34694849
>fell asleep and missed the whole thing
He saw plenty of the huge battle, but sometime during the fighting while he was standing with a group of elves a rock fell out of the sky and conked him on his helmet knocking him out. He was also invisible at the time so his luck was down that day.

>>34691602
what an abysmal series of movies

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>>34695853
Your post is appreciated.

>>34695853
Thanks m8

>>34691602
How come I don't remember this scene? Is it un-used footage?

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>>34691639
>Not really, arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords.
boi

>>34691602
Because there is no way at all that such a thing could ever be made and you'd have to be as stupid as an american't to think it could

>>34691602
Because just lifting a shield takes less energy and time. Wind strong enough could blow that shit out, but raising a shield in a proper formation. That's something else.

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>>34691639
>>34691639
>arrows fly slow enough to be swatted out by swords.

>>34704750

I don't remember it too.

>>34711354
Probably, there was like 2000080807404 hours of unused footage.

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>>34695853
>weaponizedautismstrikesback

>>34695853
yea but fuck elves tho

>>34691639
This is some witcher's shit

>>34704154
How does this have anything to do with his point? Arrows penetrating plate is a literal myth.
Yeah sure they can penetrate chainmail but to get through that and the padding beneath you need a shitload of power, and thats where "powerful bows can shoot through armor" comes from.

>>34692204
An arrow shot in a high trajectory, will hit a target on the same level with roughly the same force as it left the bow with. The downward acceleration of gravity is a constant, and the time it takes the arrow to stop moving upward, is the same time it takes for gravity to accelerate it downward.

The drag is not going to have anywhere near as much of an effect as you think will in kinetic force on impact, you'll see it's influence most in reduction of the horizontal vector and shortening range, where drag has a much larger influence on the perceived effect.

>>34692911
You're bland and boring and too old for the internet if that offends you, brahmin.

>>34691681
>thatsthejoke.jpg

>>34691602
so let me get this stright

it's manlets vs normies ?

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>>34695853
Is the person who did pic related from your family by any chance ? Your brother, or nephrew maybe ?