What other battles were fought in Afghanistan where coalition

>>34687422
the only thing BTFO there was the SEALs pride, they got exposed as snowflake who couldn't handle an even fire fight.

>recruiting elite force from fucking sailors instead of infantry units, retarded shit

>>34687422
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wanat

>The Taliban surrounded the remote base and its observation post, attacking it from Quam and surrounding farmland. They destroyed much of the U.S. heavy munitions, broke through American lines, and entered the main base before being repelled by artillery and aircraft. The United States claimed to have killed at least 21 Taliban fighters for the loss of nine U.S. soldiers killed and 27 wounded, and four Afghan National Army (ANA) soldiers wounded.[10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kunduz

>On the morning of 28 September, a rapid advance by the Taliban forces from three directions displaced the government troops in Kunduz city, who after several hours retreated to the outlying airport, leaving the Taliban in complete control of the city.[13] According to a government security official, the Taliban had been vastly outnumbered, with only an estimated 500 fighters remaining against about 7,000 government troops and allied militia members.[13]...On 29 September, Afghan forces began a counterattack from the airport towards the city, supported by American airstrikes throughout the day in the area[24] and US Army Special Forces personnel, many of whom had been deployed that morning.[25] However, by the end of the day government forces had failed to make headway, as the Taliban forced them back to and surrounded the airport.[24]...On 13 October, Taliban fighters withdrew from Kunduz after several days of heavy fighting with Afghan troops, who were supported by United States special forces and airstrikes.[30] According to a statement published on a Taliban-associated website, the retreat was due to the prospect of additional casualties and ammunition expenditure in continued fighting.[30]

Coalition forces have access to too many resources for them to ever get completely btfo.

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>>34687495
got a link for this? I'm interested

>>34687876
Operation Redwings

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>>34687900
thanks bud

>>34687422
Is that STG2 Axelson on the left?

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>>34687876
>>34687905

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_Camp_Bastion_raid

>The attack was described as "the worst loss of U.S. airpower in a single incident since the Vietnam War."[17] The eight destroyed or damaged aircraft constituted six percent of the USMC's inventory of Harrier attack jets. Normal attrition of the USMC's Harrier jets is around two airframes a year.[18]

Wearing US uniforms and some carrying coalition weapons, the Taliban attackers cut a hole in the airfield fence. Brits were responsible for the security of that section but less than half their guard posts were manned at the time. All but one of the 15 Taliban were killed in the suicide mission, but they killed two US Marines and caused $200 million in damages.

>>34687876
I heard pic related was farting

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>>34688614
brap posters should be gassed

>>34688636
You're giving them exactly what they want then!

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>>34689066
dubs of truth

>>34688307
Why are some of the faces censored?

>>34688307
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_2012_Camp_Bastion_raid

I knew the Sergeant who died in that raid, I always feel weird when it gets brought up because we weren't close but we smoked cigarettes together frequently and he was a cool dude.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaz_Oruzgan

>News Limited papers reported that Dutch pilots refused to drop below their "safe" height of 5000m to rescue Australian SAS and US forces caught in an ambush in September 2008.

Former SAS sniper Rob Maylor, wounded during the battle, said the Australians had pleaded with the Dutch: "We're in an absolute doozy of a shitfight. We need your assistance as we're taking casualties."

But the Dutch helicopter pilots refused to offer covering fire for the Australian, US and Afghan troops in the ambush. A US soldier was killed and seven SAS soldiers and two sappers were wounded. Trooper Mark Donaldson was awarded the Victoria Cross for his role in the battle.

The role of the Dutch in the battle has been described by Maylor in his book SAS Sniper to be released next week. He writes that during the battle the Australians saw two Dutch Apache helicopters escorting a Chinook and radioed the pilots to fire their Hellfire laser-guided missiles and 30mm cannons on the Taliban.

But the Dutch pilots refused to drop below 5000m, despite the Apaches being capable of operating at low levels under heavy fire.

"They wouldn't open up on the Taliban for fear they might draw some fire themselves," Maylor said.

In the end the soldier on the ground responsible for guiding air support told the Dutch: "If you're not going to engage then you might as well f . . k off." And they did, Maylor writes.

>>34689685
those helis cost a pretty penny, dude

SAS got overran. They escaped, but left behind ammunition, weapons, gear, and a dog.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458671/SAS-vow-to-recapture-Army-dog-snatched-by-Taliban-in-shoot-out

>>34689744
And they're more than capable of engaging infantry from ranges that make them immune from anything but MANPADS.

I remember the only coalition troops we could count on were the Brits, Aussies, and Canadians. Everyone else was some bullshit token "force" that did nothing but sit around inside the wire and "contribute".

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>>34689807
How many forces did you interact with?

It interests me to see how different cultures react to the same shithole.

>>34687863
This and considering the nature of the "war" its hard to call anything a battle, what the fuck are we doing treating our military like some sort of police force?

>>34689807
imagine yourself one of those pilots, you asked them to brutally murder some dudes, whom the god loves just like them, who don't threaten them, of course they refused to take such a burden on their soul. how could they have forgiven themselves otherwise

>>34689864
Right now, it's more like we're treating the Taliban and IS as targets for live fire training.

If we need to give the pilots hours either way, we may as well.

>>34689962
I'd say we ought to just roll and kill everything but things are never that simple especially when you take Afghanistans history into consideration, it just sucks really, I know a lot of good guys who went to the 'Stan and were never quite the same when they came back.

Others though, took it like a champ and just got on with life like nothing happened

>>34687495
>Even firefight
It was a recon team that got ambushed by a dozen or more Taliban with machine guns, RPGs and mortars.

>>34689983
Trump has basically been doing it right

>bomb them a lot
>if the other guy can't win with the US bombing the every-loving shit out of their enemy, they deserve to lose
>also, don't micromanage; just drop the leash and let the dogs make their way to the nearest throat

Pilots need to fly a lot to be combat effective, so we may as well have them fly actual combat missions and drop real bombs on real assholes.

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>>34689685
The Dutch are scum.

>>34690091
> on real assholes
this part is questionable

>>34690149
People always say this, but I don't really buy it.

You can question whether US bombing makes America safer or makes the world a better place, but the Taliban and ISIS are major league assholes. and I can't think of a more deserving recipient for a high explosive enema courtesy of Uncle Sam.

>>34689844
Brits, Aussies, Poles, Germans, French, Dutch, and Italians once

Brits were always extremely professional, always felt bad because their weapons and equipment seemed well subpar compared to ours (this was 2010-2012). Always seemed to have the quiet professional attitude of it's just a job.

Aussies were reliable, great folks, and fun as hell. They always seemed in a great mood, played jokes on themselves and other troops, and seemed really good at building relationships with the locals. Hands down hottest chicks, too.

Poles were good dudes. Fucking gym rats across the board, but could be relied on.

Germans were great guys, but had to deal with a lot of political shit. Don't know if it's standard, but the ones I worked with had zero incentive to do anything because they had to get everything approved from staff grade officers.

French were ok, pretty laid back.

Dutch were utterly fucking useless. They made it clear, officers and enlisted, that they didn't want to be there. Never did shit but bum around, never saw them go outside the wire to do patrols, their officers always had some excise as to why they could do x, y, or z. You could tell they'd be told by the higher ups that they weren't to do anything. They were 100% a bullshit token "we're helping" force, so the Dutch could say they were honoring their NATO commitments.

Italians were weird, never really interacted with them past basic level briefings and some training. All their NCOs, to a T, had really baller mustaches though.

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>>34690091
>also, don't micromanage; just drop the leash and let the dogs make their way to the nearest throat

See now this is where I seem to have a disconnect with most people, I feel an infantry force should have a "whatever is necessary" mindset and go for the throat of anyone. Maybe this is just what I think after years of bullshit ROEs and how it didn't help anything. We go out of our way to make sure no civilian hajis get wasted, shit happens and they hate us anyways. What's the point?

>>34689919
not joining the military

>>34689919
If they don't want to kill people they shouldn't be in the military.

They sure as fuck shouldn't be in a job where basically the only reason for your existence is to provide CAS.

>>34690206
It works if you have a government that people actually like.

The rule in counterinsurgency is that you're only as strong as the people you represent, and the Kabul government sucks.

But yeah, trump has apparently given the field commanders the green light to do whatever they feel is necessary, with the end result being that the US is launching a lot more air strikes.

>>34689204

it was a false flag those guys are CIA

>>34689919
>brutally murder some dudes
>not saving allied soldiers from a bloody ambush committed by arguably today's most objectively wicked people
Fuck off, Mehmet.

I remember seeing a webm that had some US forces fighting on a steep mountain and there were a couple dudes who got lit up and rolled down ragdoll style. I think that ended up being a shitshow operation

>>34689919

Because otherwise you have the deaths of actual white people on your conscience

>>34690311
yeah, they were born in a shitty country and try to protect her as they understand it. so wicked such wow

>>34690339
of people from another country (those soldiers werent dutch) who invaded the third country (apghanistan) and dislike that they are sometimes put in some danger

>>34689807
Did you meet any Danes?

>>34690306
>CIA needs to reheat war to carry out deep state orders
>CIA recruits Muslim locals who want out of Shitstainistan, led by Muslim American citizen
>promises locals US citizenship, and citizens promotions/early retirement/family visas/etc.
>"all you guys have to do is attack this airbase"
>"no you won't die we've got an inside man who'll leave that section of the perimeter wide open"
>"his spook ordered boss tells him to leave the tower at the time of attack, you guys go in, blow up planes, get out, easy job"
>attack commenced
>planes destroyed, gunfight ensued
>spook didn't say it'd be this heavy
>try to retreat, everyone is dying
>one guy gets away
>runs out into countryside never to be seen again
>news reports attack
>more funding goes places, people turn for/against war, etc. whatever deep state plan is carried out

Not the worst theory I've heard

>>34690369
>doge meme
Nice try tumblr

>>34690382
> - so we give you american visas for wattacking that base...
> - b-but that's an amrican base?

do you think they are retarded?

>>34690424
No, he knows they are.

I'm an apache pilot and those dutch fags sound like bitches. shit in the head of our guys getting shot at I've heard stories about pilots flying right over the taliban's heads popping flares. no shit, this guy set someone on fire that way.

>>34687876
Based cameraman

>>34687422
Uzbin, 10 French troops killed in an ambush
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbin_Valley_ambush

>Later reports claimed that until then the relative calm of the region had only been obtained by bribery, of which the French were unaware.
Fucking wops should not be allowed to fight wars

>>34690581
>I've heard stories about pilots flying right over the taliban's heads popping flares. no shit, this guy set someone on fire that way.
Sounds like the average day for a Kiowa pilot.

>>34690823
kiowas aren't around anymore besides OCs.

>>34690836
Who will carry on the Kiowa Spirit?

>>34690888
a grey eagle (predator) drone. flying at 18,000 feet being operated by a NEET.

>>34689685
>We're in an absolute doozy of a firefight
Say what you will about the Brits, that fucking calmness under fire is great.
>>34689919
Those men were Apache helicopter pilots, their sole purpose is to FUCK the enemy from above. Its their goddamn job.

>>34690424
Being that it would be the CIA, yea. I could easily see them being that retarded.

>>34690306
>>34690382
>cool story
When does this movie come out? Because it's all fantasy

>>34689983
How do you avoid cutting yourself with all that edge?

I heard operation anaconda was a shit show

>>34690091
Just so you know, Trump has not made a single policy change in military operations. They are basically still running on the plan from Obama administration. The only think Trump did was the Syrian airport attack in response to the bio-attack which was... pointless.

Please, don't invoke that cowards name, let the military do what they need to do.

>>34690221
>If they don't want to kill people they shouldn't be in the military.
It's completely the OPPOSITE you cunt.

If you WANT to kill people you should not be in the military.

The point is that you do it, when you HAVE TO.

Fuck Christ, there is no hope for this nation. We've been at war for 17 years and everyone is all edgy and shit. Some of you in the military will actually become generals and make actual decisions that will have serious consequences. The age of the Warhawk is coming, and we are fucked..

>>34691145
Go fuck yourself you complete eunuch piece of shit.

There are countless motherfuckers on the planet that NEED to be killed, and you should be thankful that there are people that WANT to do the job so your pussy ass doesn't have to. That doesn't make them "crazy", or "psychotic", that's just the way the world is, will be, and always has been you ignorant child.

Kill yourself.

>>34691145
Glad not everyone is as pussy whipped as you.

>>34687876
The issue is that SEALs can't fall back on Infantry experience. They know how to kick down doors and conduct intel heavy operations that's really it. I'll try to track it down, but there's a lot of accounts of a big firefight breaking out where SEALs are with Delta or Rangers or Marines, and while they aren't completely useless, they can't adjust to a situation as rapid as the Delta guys who came from Infantry, or Rangers or Marines can. It's just hard for them to act as grunts when they never had a basis in it.

>>34687863
>/Battle_of_Wanat

American soldiers were at times flushed out of their fortifications by what they thought were grenades, but which were actually rocks thrown by the attackers

Bretty gud

>>34691165
>There are countless motherfuckers on the planet that NEED to be killed
think that there are millions of people who would consider you one of those

>>34691165
>>34691187
Woah, we got a coupla tough guys over here!
Watchout!

Get fucked you cunts. You ain't gonna do shit.

>>34691145
dude, most people join combat MOSs to kill bad guys. there is nothing wrong with wanting to kill taliban and ISIS.

>>34691259
>>34691349

Two walking vaginas.

Just kys already, you fucking eunuchs. I LOVED killing piece of shit brown people trying to fuck up my guys. Zero fucks given, and I sleep like a baby every night.

You're just a couple of pussies that need to be culled as much as the dumb sandniggers stupid enough to attack us.

Bitches.

>>34687422
All that khaki makes me moist senpai

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>>34691371
>there is nothing wrong with wanting to kill taliban and ISIS

it's the very same guys you made very sympathetic movies like rambo 3 etc about back in 80ss. the political course changed and it's suddenly a proper thing to desire their death. have you read 1984, they most likely made you read it in the school?

>On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns — after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces — at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.
...
>The speech had been proceeding for perhaps twenty minutes when a messenger hurried on to the platform and a scrap of paper was slipped into the speaker's hand. He unrolled and read it without pausing in his speech. Nothing altered in his voice or manner, or in the content of what he was saying, but suddenly the names were different. Without words said, a wave of understanding rippled through the crowd. Oceania was at war with Eastasia! The next moment there was a tremendous commotion. The banners and posters with which the square was decorated were all wrong! Quite half of them had the wrong faces on them. It was sabotage!
...
>Oceania was at war with Eastasia: Oceania had always been at war with Eastasia.

>>34691405
ethically you are a chimp, that's given

>>34691426
>it's suddenly a proper thing to desire their death
Well they desire mine. Turnabout is fair play, after all.

>>34691438
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! You think the sandniggers have ethics while they're burning people alive on video?

Fuck your prissy naive "ethics", faggot.

>>34691426
can you try not being a faggot for one minute?

>>34691426
in the 80s they were killing the soviets, our enemy, in late 1990s and early 2000s they started killing americans, and henceforth became our primary enemies. is the concept of change beyond your capacity?

>>34691509
Then we have to ask ourselves why they immediately started killing Americans.
>>>well, the Americans had the audacity to stop militarily supporting them after the Soviets left
Fuck em.

The attitude should always be: I don't want to kill you, but if you're gonna fuck up my guys, I'm gonna fuck YOU up.

Those Dutch pilots either pussied out or were ordered to pussy out. If they killed those insurgents on the ground, well, that sucks for those guys--but it'd be no different than the targets of the ambush killing them in the end.

Don't get too caught up in blind hatred, because people always think that they are the good guy. Winning peace in this foreverwar will require all sides to understand each other when the battles are over. Otherwise this shit'll just keep rolling on.

>>34691495
oh, i recall that case, you can't imagine how much shit i got on /int/ for quoting the bible ("for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword", matthew 26:52) and adding that that guy killed people with fire :3

more seriously though (albeit it wasn't really a joke too, air strikes make a lot of people die just as painfully as that guy died and a few of them are innocent w/e innocent means, the big difference between institutionalized brutality (like executions) and indiscriminate brutality (like airstrikes) is not an obvious thing if you try to think it out) i dislike that they are seen as a single unity meantime i believe most of them are driven by the anger of what the west did to iraq since 1991 which is pretty understandable. some of them are very bed people but most are deluded or desperate. imo they should be treated as belligerent humans, not as designated evil guys whose only right is to die

>>34690952
>Brits, that fucking calmness under fire is great.
Aussies, they're all fearless and insane.
We actually had one of the IRR guys on /k/ here a while ago

>>34690203
I heard German NCOs and below are gung ho moto as fuck and want to kill some bad guys, is that true?

>>34691215
Makes sense. It doesn't help that they are all egotistical attention whoring faggots. Their whole recruitment process is "how bad do you want to be a SEAL?" Thinking pure will power can overcome anything. Meanwhile Delta and ODA actually use their brains, and train to do a job not live a dude-bro lifestyle.

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>>34687422
MURRICA is the only one that got BTFO in afghan right now in this 911 war

>>34689760

THE HANDLER LEFT THE DOG??? UNFORGIVEABLE!

>>34691637
i'm amazed the dog didn't follow him

>>34691611
You want that mentality in certain troops. Regularly going though fatal funnels and sneaky breaky around requires absolute confidence in yourself and your comrads. Seals do their jobs, and do it well. They don't do things that are not their job well. Nobody expects a ranger to fly a helicopter, for example.

>>34691669
i know plenty of former ranger bat guys who are pilots now.

>>34691682
There are plenty of seals who are pilots now too. That's kind of beside the point.

>>34687863
> Kunduz
Thats in the fucking north...

They're welcome to come to helmand.

>>34688307
> brits were responsible.
They technically attacked camp leatherneck rather than bastion.

Besides the RAF force protection only consists of one squadron, and you can't expect them to have a full guard 24/7 they don't have the manpower for that. They really don't do static defences anyway, mobile patrols are their MO.

>>34687422
which fight did they not get their ass handed to them, by some goat fucker?

>>34691724
Quite regularly.

Spectacularly when they were dumb enough to stand and fight.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Fallujah

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>>34691736
>.m.
get the fuck out.

>>34691750
How else am I to shitpost at work?

>>34691215
Summer poster is summer.

>>34691405
Sure you did.

>>34691669
Wtf is a seal's job anyway? Navy's got UDTs doing diving shit. Devgru does the door kicking like Delta. ODA does long term undercover spook shit with the CIA. Recon Marines can do recon and underwater demo as well right? SEALs are just like Rangers except with more retarded ego and less discipline.

>>34691145
>17 years at war
On Xbox playing call of duty?

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>>34690124
what was his beef with the dutch, i'm not saying the dutch are not scum but skwisgaar really didnt like them. is dildos

i really want a pikles skull mug for my morning coffee too

>>34690199
this
I know it's not been a popular thing to say since like 2006 or whatever but unironically fuck the terrorists

>>34688307
>wearssame cammo
>doesn't look American

Still don't see how you can't see it was a ruse.

>>34692029

They get shit done, and no one needs less people that can get shit done.

>>34692602
More like
>wears same camo
>BEARD
Soldiers can tell fuckups or fakes of each other apart instantly by the most minute discrepancies in outfit. I don't get how these retard-tier disguises weren't immediately spotted.

>>34691699
>A witness said the attackers passed unchallenged through an outer checkpoint, killed two guards at the next one, and destroyed a third one with rocket-propelled grenades (RPG). At the time of the attack, most soldiers were unarmed, attending Friday prayers at a mosque on the base and eating at a restaurant.
Jesus christ, I knew the ANA were incompetent as fuck but this is on a whole new level of unpreparedness

>>34691114
Stfu tranny scum
MAGA!

>>34689844
Those dudes are Tonga Marines

>>34692731
Go back to /pol/ degenerate

>>34692670
They cut a hole in the fence.

Odds are anyone who DID see them was far enough away they wouldn't have noticed beards.

>>34690369
>try to protect her as they understand it.
They don't understand the concept of a nation-state.

>>34691145
It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be. That way and not some other way.

>>34694889
is this supposed to be some sun tzu deep shit? cuz you sound retarded

>>34688307
Wasn't this raid one that prompted Prince Harry to leave the service?

He was an AH-64 Apache pilot. And he was stationed at Bastion.

>>34690149
>Literal rapists and murders
>Buh... Buh.. Amerifats military complex is the real villian here!
>How dare they police the world at their own expense

If you're going to whine, Eurobong, at least build more than 1 aircraft carrier first.

>>34691259
>He kills people because they kill people so I must kill him

This is some next level inception mate. You're not a sociopath if you fight for peace.

>>34694958
Men are born for games. Nothing else. Every child knows that play is nobler than work. He knows too that the worth or merit of a game is not inherent in the game itself but rather in the value of that which is put at hazard. Games of chance require a wager to have meaning at all. Games of sport involve the skill and strength of the opponents and the humiliation of defeat and the pride of victory are in themselves sufficient stake because they inhere in the worth of the principals and define them. But trial of chance or trial of worth all games aspire to the condition of war for here that which is wagered swallows up game, player, all.

Suppose two men at cards with nothing to wager save their lives. Who has not heard such a tale? A turn of the card. The whole universe for such a player has labored clanking to this moment which will tell if he is to die at that man’s hand or that man at his. What more certain validation of a man’s worth could there be? This enhancement of the game to its ultimate state admits no argument concerning the notion of fate. The selection of one man over another is a preference absolute and irrevocable and it is a dull man indeed who could reckon so profound a decision without agency or significance either one. In such games as have for their stake the annihilation of the defeated the decisions are quite clear. This man holding this particular arrangement of cards in his hand is thereby removed from existence. This is the nature of war, whose stake is at once the game and the authority and the justification. Seen so, war is the truest form of divination. It is the testing of one’s will and the will of another within that larger will which because it binds them is therefore forced to select. War is the ultimate game because war is at last a forcing of the unity of existence. War is god.

>>34691543
>imo they should be treated as belligerent humans, not as designated evil guys whose only right is to die

well if they want to be threated human they should start by acting human, like only attacking gov't related office and army base and terrorize a whole population and use "muh religion" as a fucking excuse.

the only thing they are is what they always used to be, fucking animals, if you look at the history of the middle east except the ottoman litteraly EVERYONE was nothing but savage bashing each others head because "huuurrr you don't believe in the same faith we do hurhuruhrur allah akbar" and let's not even take in account the massive inbreeding inside a single tribe

>>34690206

See, I personally didn't have an issue with bullshit ROE's in principle. Generally I saw myself and my buddies as professional enough to deal with an ROE no problem.

The ISSUE is using Infantry as a police force and expecting them to do hearts and minds shit.

ROE is fine. I don't want to kill civilians either. But quit fucking using infantry to settle disputes between Achmed 1 and Achmed 2 about who fucked which goat, ffs, and stop bandying Leavenworth around everytime anybody thinks of shooting something

>>34691114
https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2017/05/26/us-coalition-strikes-in-afghanistan-spike-hit-highest-number-in-five-years/

From what I understand, there's been a huge spike in air strikes.

>>34695215
>using Infantry as a police force and expecting them to do hearts and minds shit

The entire ordeal of the last 16 years in Iraq and Afghanistan seems less a failing of the military and more the government believing it could use a sledgehammer to change a spark plug.

>>34687876
>>34687905
How old is she before I start thinking of fapping to this?

>>34697307
Who cares? Fun fact: If you ain't fucking it, someone is.

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>>34690693

Four of the French KIA had their throat slit, their interpreter also was tortured and killed. Let's not forget that 21 other French marines were wounded that day. ANA took one KIA, dropped their gear and abandonned the French.

Anyway as much as the Italians fucked up royaly, the French really were inadequate...

>run out of ammo in less than an hour
>only bring one radio
>no support whatsoever
>JTAC tries to help
>talibans too close from French for CAS

Most French KIA were between 19 and 22, so most likely inexperienced and all but one part of the same thirty men reconaissance section that was ambushed in a basin by more than a hundred talibans. Moreover the French reinforcements took an hour and half to arrive...

>>34695623
See, in an ideal situation you use the Army to attack known concentrations of insurgents, and the police to defend the civilian population and control communities.

The problem is that in Iraq/Afghanistan there are no competent police.

There's no competent military either, but it's easier to substitute out a foreign military for your own than it is to substitute a foreign police force for your own.

>>34687876
>>34697307
>>34697318
Fun fact: The olympic village just turns into a bigass orgy cos everyone is hella fit and has no life outside of sports

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>>34695023
>>Literal rapists and murders
>>Buh... Buh.. Amerifats military complex is the real villian here!

But it is.

>>34697908
>both sides can't be the bad guys

>>34697919
One is the less evil though, and no forcing women to wear rags, fucking goats, and believing in a pedophile warlord from a few centuries ago is not the one i am talking about.

>>34697935
Yeah.

I can honestly sympathize with the average Taliban fighter

>absolutely no law or government of any kind where you live
>a group of people come into your village and offer you security, justice, and power
>all you have to do is follow a stricter version of the religion your already believe in

But they do a lot of evil shit, and the country will be better off in the long run under a republican government, so anybody fighting for them needs to die.

>>34697908
Thx. Achmed

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>>34687422
That time they killed a general.

>>34687876
4 seals vs at least 2 squads of tali who have rpgs, mortars, PKMs, high ground and the element of surprise
>fair fight

>>34697966
>a group of people come into your village

They aren't an outside force. They're the villagers within your village.

>>34698062
Depends.

The Taliban poured into Afghanistan from refugee camps on the Pakistani side of the border, and recruited a lot of natives to their side, either through persuasion, intimidation, or both.

>>34697870
Are the Olympics just elaborate cover for a eugenic breeding program? Are the Illuminati abducting children conceived by athletes during the Olympics and training them as superhuman assassins in their secret lair in the Swiss Alps?

>>34687876
I'm getting a boner

>>34698107

I always wondered but maybe the Chinese buy the sperm of these people to bread superior human beings.

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>>34698048
You've seen Lone Survivor too many times.

It was ~10 Taliban.

"Element of surprise" lol. How incompetent do you have to be to lose element of surprise in a recce mission? It's their fault for trying to sneak in with a Chinook.

Shooting down the reinforcements was the real btfo moment though.

>>34698107
>harvest sperm of Olympians to create master race
>forget that most of the olympic events are loser shit like curling
>end up creating a race of weirdos with unusually high levels of motivation and unusually low levels of sociability
>dump them in Finland since nobody can tell the difference

>>34698048
Just curious, how many men, how much equipment and money did it take to fine one tall guy living in Abbotobad? They killed three men and one woman with a who had a couple of AK's.

>fair fight
It's war bitch

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>>34687495
>he actually thinks infantry is elite

>>34698653
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vifYelSTlMo

>>34697870
If I remember right that's a lot of the track and field people. They are degenerates in a way that makes me actually post the word degenerate. They're the people who would get pregnant because they couldn't be ass'd to get a condom and then get a third-trimester abortion even though they aren't going to place because they'll run horrible because they pulled out functioning child out of themselves and need pain pills.

>>34699390
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_doping

>>34697966
Most of their problems comes from hosting al-qaeda.

>>34699448
I am aware of this. But many are just fucking retards who get illegal ass abortions because they are idiots. That still occurs to some Black chick made mention of it at some womens empowerment thing.

>>34691114
Wrong. He ended the CIA program arming Islamists in Syria.

>>34697908
>implying "rape" even exists in war
>implying killing is abnormal in war
rape is a bomb AF weapon, use it frequently

>>34691426
>I have no idea who the Northern Alliance is.

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>>34687422

J U S T

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Takur_Ghar

>>34692675

Well, you have to think about the sort of people who join the military to serve the occupying power

You don't exactly get highly motivated or qualified people.

>>34700067
Mohammed Omar was a Mujahideen. Not all Mujahideen became Taliban, but most Taliban were Mujahideen.

>>34699531
Al-Qaeda was "hosted" by Sudan in the 90's and by Somalia and Yemen after Afghanistan. They stay in failed states that couldn't kick them out if they tried.

>>34700177
literally this, tbqh. There are attacks happening against the ANA every day, it's only a matter of time til the Tally-bans have most of the country under control. Real good job, staying there for 16 years just to hand the country back to them

>amerishart geopolitical """""""""""""""strategy"""""""""""""""

>>34687422
Real question is: which wars were fought where the non-Aghans WEREN'T completely btfo?

Was Genghis Khan able to take it?

>>34699839
You mean he stopped supplying the guys fighting ISIS? That's pretty dumb, unless you like ISIS.

Pretty much everyone in Syria is "Islamist". its an Islamic county in an Islamic region.

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>>34700258
Mujahideen simply means "those who struggle for Islam". It could be used to describe anyone who fights and is Muslim.
All Taliban are technically Mujahideen. All ISIS are technically Mujahideen.
Yes the term was used for the various groups of Afghan insurgents during the Soviet-Afghan war, but even then its wasn't one group of people, more a general term applied by outsiders.

Sorry for small picture, but you get an idea of the number of groups in 1985

>>34689844
Not him but
>German
>Italian
>Spanish
>British
>Canadian
>Greek
>Turkish
>Kiwi (NZSAS)
>Australian (SASR)
>Filipino
>Kenyan
>South African
>and a single Major from Botswana that didn't seem to have any official duties or responsibilities
All on the same FOB at the same time.

The only ones who ever went outside the wire were the aussies, kiwis, and Canucks. The Germans didn't even fucking bring rifles and the Kenyans were there for the sole purpose of guarding the dfac. The turks were drunk all the time and the one company of greeks ended up in confinement for theft. Can't really blame the Italians for not fighting, they were there to be weathermen.

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>>34691029

>>34700692
what were the spaniards like?

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>>34687422
>>34687863
>>34689685
You're all babby tier
watch THIS creepy shit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala_provincial_headquarters_raid
>The attack was perpetrated by "nine to 12 militants posing as an American security team ... [who] traveled in black GMC Suburban vehicles — the type used by U.S. government convoys — had American weapons, wore new U.S. military combat fatigues, and spoke English. This was denied by the surviving soldiers. According to one Iraqi official, the militant team was led by a blond-haired man. The attack occurred as the U.S. military continued preparations to leave. About 30 U.S. troops were inside the compound at the time

>>34691550
The ones I worked with were pretty hard chargers. I wouldn't say Moto cause that makes me think retarded HOORAH DEVIL DAWG Marine shit.

But they definitely wanted to get out and fight/sling lead. Politics stopped them from doing so though. I'd heard every combat mission needed to be approved by the Chancellor but I have no idea if that's true, but they did have way more strict ROEs and shit than us or anyone else.

>>34690377
I drank with a few when I was at Rammstein, cool cats. In country no, never met any.

>>34687495
SEAL's also recruit straight from civilians too.

>>34691145
I didn't want to kill people. But if people are shooting at me, my friends, or my allies, I'm sure as fuck going to kill them.

We were all in it together over there. You don't listen to another unit get lit the fuck up and say "nah, I'll just stay here".

Fuck you faggot, you're the reason the West is being overrun by third country fuckholes.

>>34692029
>Wtf is a seal's job anyway?

Writing books, signing movie deals, and generally breaking opsec to pick up chicks in dingy San Diego bars.

>>34697822
>ANA took one KIA, dropped their gear and abandonned the French.

I fucking hated the ANA. Absolutely useless, and I spent more time worrying Achmed would shoot me in the back than anything else.

It says something when our FOB established 24 hour watch in addition to perimeter JUST to watch the ANA.

>>34700990
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c86_1341164485

I wouldn't underestimate Iraqi insurgents.

>>34701325
They're not iraqis, they're qods force, Iranian SOF.

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>>34691145
>It's completely the OPPOSITE you cunt.
You're literally joining a job where at some point you may have to kill people. If you're an Apache pilot you're near guaranteed to have a mission that involves you killing people. If you're not going to do your fucking job as an Apache pilot, why did you become one in the first place?
Eat shit, fagtron

>>34701252
That's an effective insurgency. The occupiers don't even trust the collaborators.

>>34700558
Are you talking about AQ in levant and Syria?

>>34688120
yes

>>34698169
Could you cite where you got this number from?

Are ANA totally pointless?

>>34700786
Weird. A lot of them had outrageous facial hair in some form, one guy had a waxed handlebar mustache ~18 inches wide and another guy had a soul patch he painted a really reflective chrome somehow. Dunno how they would do for combat, they were mechanics and there were only a few dozen of them. Not even a full company.

>>34701197
Wut

>>34694958
>he hasn't read blood meridian
Not only are you bleeding heart, you're a moron too. Read a book nigga.

>>34698653
All my privates are on par or better with commo than Danny Dietz. Idk about elite but were definitely not as retarded as sailors playing opr8er

>>34691165
If we aren't in Afghanistan all the time we won't have freedum

>>34695023
The American military literally is the biggest threat to a white ethno state

>>34695076
Cringe

>>34690581
Neat story friendo

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>>34697822
holy fuck the french are fucking useless

even more proof as to why they can't fight

>>34690424
You know we're talking about the CIA right?

>>34703799

Before Uzbin, since 2k1 actually, French forces weren't expected to see much combat. Their mission was to provide training to the ANA and security around Kabul.

After the ambush the French levelled a village suspected to be sympathetic to the talibans who carried the ambush killing 40 civilians and making a couple thousand homeless.

Anyway at least the massacre of French soldiers created such a shitstorm in France they had to rethink French strategy in Afghanistan and create Task force La Fayette which was three thousand men strong with Mirage and Rafale jets, Tiger choppers, Caesar artillery as well as heavy 120mm mortars, AMX 10 RC, VBCI and even remote turrets for their vehicles.

So if anything joke on the Talibans, I'm sure many more died following that event.

>>34703799
>first americans KIA(SOF) were killed(bombed) by americans
>french useless

>>34705138
The first US KIA was a CIA contractor who got zerg rushed by Taliban during the battle of Qala-i-Jangi

>>34700786
How were the canucks?

>>34689685
>Operation Redwings
>Dutch being cowardly.

Who would have thought ?
>Srebrenica

Dutch are scum. They have hot women though.

>>34705261
lazy

>>34687422
Is that dude on the hill behind them sitting next to an alligator?

>>34691114
Wrong on several levels, bro.

>>34689919
Give me a fucking break, you don't sign up to be an attack helicopter pilot unless you are will to kill the enemy. Those Dutch pussies should be ashamed of themselves.

>>34705362
Really? How so?

>>34705423
thats a dead tree

>>34701366
>arabic with iraq accent

max boot pls go

>>34691095
That's the opposite of edge you twat

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>>34701325
Holy shit those guards are useless. Every single one of them was basically sleeping or wanking, leaving one dude outside without any support.
Just.... Pathetic.

>>34700990
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala_provincial_headquarters_raid
that right there was an act of war, which should have resulted in us invading the shit out of Iran. Would have resulted in a hell of a lot less casualties once the iranian flow of weapons was stopped.

>>34702654

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Red_Wings#Disputed_information

>There exists some conflict over the exact numbers of Taliban forces involved in the engagement, among other mistakes by some sources. In Luttrell's own official after-action report filed with his superiors after his rescue, he estimated the size of the Taliban force to be around 20–35. Luttrell claims in his book that during the briefing his team was told around 80 to 200 fighters were expected to be in the area.[7] Initial intel estimates estimated approximately 10 to 20.[3] Official media reports from the military estimated the size of the Taliban force to be around 20 as well, while in the Medal of Honor citation for LT Michael P. Murphy, the Navy cited 30–40 enemies.[56] In the Summary of Action related to the same MOH, the Navy cites an "enemy force of more than 50 anti-coalition militia".[57] In his book, Victory Point: Operations Red Wings and Whalers – the Marine Corps' Battle for Freedom in Afghanistan, military journalist Ed Darack cites a military intelligence report stating the strength of the Taliban force to be 8–10, compared to the 80-200 claimed by Luttrell in Lone Survivor. The military intelligence estimate cited by Darack is based on research sourced from intelligence reports, including aerial and eye-witness studies of the battlefield after the fact, including the men sent in to rescue Luttrell, as well as reports from Afghan intelligence.[3][11][12]

>>34706171
I think an invasion of Iran would be a massive mistake, but I still want it to happen sometimes just to teach the little cunts some manners.

>>34706171
>two unnamed officials
>actually believing this shit-tier neocon propaganda

babby needs a bullshit detector

>>34691543

Civilian casualties are just an awful by-product of war. It always has happened and always will. Nobody asks the haji to hole up around population centers, but an airstrike is usually conducted for two reasons: to target active warfighting support or enemies of higher value (leaders, bomb-makers, logistics, etc) and to aid TIC (Troops In Contact).

Either way, and it's a catch 22 everytime, there's no way to always ensure civilian safety but you have to act when you know you can take out those who are active and significant threats not only to out Joes, but also to the larger civilian populace.

>>34706287
you imply that intent matters like an innocent guy killed or a belligerent guy painfully killed / not given a chance to surrender, if it was done with a supposedly good intent it's not such a bad thing after all, meantime they are more inclined to lex talionis i.e. eye for eye, hence their moral justification of the executions and terrorist attacks

>>34687495
Yup, SDV got kicked out of afghanistan for that shitfest. Nightstalkers died for no reason.

>>34701229
>breaking opsec to pick up chicks in dingy San Diego bars.

Living in SD and being good friends with some team guys, I can confirm this is 100% accurate. Go to Danny's or McP's on a Saturday night to the the Frog Hogs out on the prowl.

>>34687422

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Chinook_shootdown_in_Afghanistan

3800 points + bonuses

>>34706153
theyre just police checkpoints enforcing curfew and the dudes rolled up in police trucks

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>>34709192
SEALs and Chinooks, the best pair since vinegar and bicarb soda.

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>>34687495
i've heard that Red Wings is used as a textbook example of how not to conduct any sort of military operation, especially reconnaissance.

>>34706358

Trust me, man, I've played the COIN game. I know COIN math (15 insurgents-5 insurgents=20 insurgents) but when you know where an active target will be and when they'll be there, you have to act.

t. Army Intel with a focus on targeting.


Also, as far as CAS with TIC goes, you've got an active firefight going, anybody who hasn't GTFO is either in the fight, supporting it, or just earned a Darwin award.

>>34709400
You'd think that "don't insert via Chinook 1 1/2 miles from the target" would've already been in the "How to do Reconnaissance" textbook. Or at least that it was so obvious that didn't need to be taught.

All of them. You can't kill an idea.

>>34709568
apparently that was just one of their many fuck ups. supposedly NSW strongly suggested that they not conduct the mission and leave it to the Marines who had been planning for weeks and had a solid plan, but if they were going to conduct the mission they made a few recommendations and asked SDV to consider them. they threw all of it out and drew up some half cocked plan using probably the loudest helicopters in inventory. i'm honestly surprised 160th hasn't started refusing to fly SEALs after SEAL incompetence has gotten so many of their pilots and crew chiefs killed not to mention damaging/destroying multi-million dollar helicopters.

>>34697867
You've also got to take culture into account, i.e how alien their culture is to ours, I'm no moral relativist but we can't expect to stroll into a place stuck in the 8th century to get with our program anytime soon

>>34706255
No invasion necessary. The us would just have to sell off huge portions of it's massive strategic oil reserves for a fraction of the going rate. The resulting economic crash for Iran, with 80 percent of their economy in oil, would decimate the country beyond repair. All the us would have to do after that is watch the fireworks from the ensuing power grab

>>34703167
Meaning you can join the Navy for a seal billet. In fact, it's the most common method of getting in for them. Switching from big Navy to seal is an enormous pain in the ass.

>>34691405
Either fat fuckwit NEET facerolling his keyboard or piece of shit that belongs in the front line getting minced.
>>34691495
>ethics is naivete
whoa we got a brainlet over here
>>34695151
>if you look at the history of the middle east except the ottoman
just stop, you're as bad as those fuckheads that read about criminals and then sperg about how they deserve to be skinned alive in public, ok fine you're morally no superior to them and it's all about power and brutality, way to prove all the marxist post modernists right you fucken mental midget.

>>34706430
I made the mistake of going to mcp's. Alright bar, but through the course of the night the waitress was hitting on me a bit (and vice versa of course) so we went out after that. We got to talking and turned out it was the actual McP's daughter and she was only 17. That got weird fast

>>34709709
Shit's fucking medieval all right out in the sticks of Afghanistan, no running water, no electricity and very tribal/family based.
Which is a result of anyone with a brain getting the fuck out of the country decades ago to somewhere less horrible and all you've got left are the dumb dumbs that stayed. Plus at that kind of personal level, they know their government is shit and the only people they can reasonably trust are each other.

>>34703192
Holy shit, you must be infantry because you couldn't score anything better than a 40 on the asvab

>>34709568
Along with "don't wear brightly-colored patches on your tactical uniforms".

>>34709648

I don't think you meant to respond to me.

>>34709882
He didn't respond to you, he responded to me.

>>34709943
>>34709882
No, he responded to me

>>34709882
>>34709943
>>34709989
I am confuse.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observation_Post_Bari_Alai

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Bari_Alai

Only known case than an American OP was over run and all the Americans were killed. 2 Latvians were also killed, 2 wounded. A bunch of Afghans ran or or were in on it.

Pic not related.

>>34710003
Fuck off retarded tripfaggot

>>34689225
I was in a Squadron that relieved the guys that were there at the time, that Sergeant got hit not more than 50 yards from my workshop. Missed it all by 3 months.

>>34698653
Phoneposting needs to be an instant ban.

>>34687422
alright I am a dummy. But after they released the goat herder was there any way for them to realistically escape? or were they fucked anyway

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>>34691405
I honestly like your attitude.

>>34691661
Kennelbox or chained?! Either way its fucking treason.

>>34710343
There we no goat herders, at least not any that literally stumbled over the SEALs and were subsequently captured by them. Villagers did see the team on the mountainside since they were exposed as fuck, and immediately told the taliban, who then attacked. All the "eyewitness" accounts of the battle come from one source - Marcus Luttrell, and since everyone else fucking died there's no one to corroborate his claims. The Marines and a whole bunch of intel people were working for weeks on a pretty good plan until the SEALs came in and basically LEROY JENKINS'd the entire operation. Luttrell is profiting off his dead teammates by lying and signing movie and book deals.

All that said, if they actually had detained goat herders they could have just marched them up the mountain for a few hours until they were a safe distance from the village, then let them go knowing that their extraction would arrive well before any taliban would. In case it isn't obvious, the movie is not a good reference to go by when determining what really happened.

>>34689066
Kek

>>34700990
>pic related is a example of super fast tacticool ghost operator in action.

>>34705317
Not a coincidence that the dutch bluehelmets pussied out to let the huthou vs. tutsi massacre happen.

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>>34691114
>this whole post

Why do they always claim others are uninformed and uneducated

>>34702265
Totally agree.

I met a few who were honest to God fighting to improve their country. The majority were looking for an easy paycheck and a way to solicit bribes and who would run if a car back fired. And some would be the people who'd slit our throats in our sleep.

Personally, after running around Afghanistan, Iraq, training in Egypt, Jordan, doing shit in Kuwait...just pull out and leave them to their own devices. Even better, wall it all off and stop trying to pretend we can civilize those savages.

>>34704739
>After the ambush the French levelled a village suspected to be sympathetic to the talibans who carried the ambush killing 40 civilians and making a couple thousand homeless.

Fuck yeah

>>34710759
>others are uninformed and uneducated
And yet here you are. It's it poetry?

>>34711250
the same brutality they were known for in vietnam

>>34687495
The movie made it out like the whole reason the mission failed was because they couldn't get a radio signal to command.

>>34703799

french strategegists are always a war behind , the frenchs bulletproofs vest coud barely stop AK round, and the AP ammo went straight trough.

>>34710574
This was seriously all I could think of when I saw the movie.
>Hey guys, lets fucking release these motherfuckers and do a half ass trot up the mountain
>Why the fuck are they attacking us, we let them go
Ffs, they're not going to get lost in the mountains surrounding their own village, nearly starve, then sue if you take them on a hike. Only an idiot would release a potentially hostile person in such a manner. There's a special place in hell for Luttrell if he's using his dead buddies to make some quick cash.

>>34691405

Yeah, I too love blasting MEC team in battlefield 2

>>34711504
Well of course. It's AP ammo.

>>34711451

It is pretty much a litany of fuck ups really. They took a massive noisy Chinook to try and do a sneaky 4 man insertion close to the enemy, instead of either landing further away and being sneaky, or landing a whole platoon and having superior forces. You don't need to be a signals specialist to realise that high frequency radios struggle to communicate in mountainous terrain, but they didn't account for it. They took minimal firepower with them, them didn't ensure that they would have dedicated air support to make up for it if they were compromised. The goat herder was just poor planning, special forces have been compromised by locals in previous conflicts (it's even a plot point in bravo two zero FFS), the fact they didn't know what to do except let them go just exemplifies their lack of planning.

>>34711563
It wasnt "real" AP ammo, but still, the bullet proof were shit, and were planned to be replaced by vests that could stop these ammos a few weeks before the ambush, but the admistration delayed their delivery because the purchase of the vest didn't follow the usual procedure (they didn't test the vests against the one of other manufacturers).
So these soldiers died because of shitty administration.

>>34689685
>1 Dead
Woah what an intense battle!

>>34711653
*obviously they rushed the purchase because they knew the vests were shit.

>>34711595
I'm pals with a few former frogs. And, to a man, they bemoan the present state of the Teams. Too many SEALs, doing too much, in too many places, a lot of which is beyond what their purpose was. JSOC wants Tridents churned out as fast as they can be turned out, because we're slinging lead all over the fucking world. So... "Muh Operatorz!". That has down stream effects. Still, the effort is 95% successful, but at that level, those 5% fuck ups can be goddamned glaring. Slippage.

Dudes need to get back to what they do best, and leave this other shit to Rangers/Delta.

>>34711708

Despite it being before the massive growth in SOF, the USA was able to make up the numbers in 2001-2002 Afghanistan by calling on a wide variety of NATO & ANZAC elite units due to the solidarity after 9-11. Today, to carry out all the unofficial operations all over the world, the USA needs to supply all the SOF itself, inevitably leading to massive bloat.

>>34687422
the taliban and other insurgents are not governed by rules of engagement and other legal shit.

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>>34689685
>But the Dutch pilots refused to drop below 5000m, despite the Apaches being capable of operating at low levels under heavy fire.

I'm Belgian, so I'm naturally inclined to take the piss out of every fucking Dutchfag, but what you write about seems highly unlikely.

Even American Apache pilots tend to fluff up Dutch Apache pilots for being more daring and more willing to take their helicopters to extremes. The fact you claim they didn't even want to drop to the deck and provide support seems to me more like the Dutch had different orders and were already en route to another unit which had requested CAS first and thus needed to make good time & needed to conserve ammo...

It's not unlikely that other assets were already en route to provide support for the Brits, whereas support for the other unit might not have been available (other than the Apaches already tasked with the mission).

>>34687422
Literally broke every operating rule. Why the fuck would you not tie up the two boys, take all the old mans shit, and send his slow ass down the mountain. Why the fuck would you stop before you reached your objective? Youre a fucking SEAL, youre not supposed to stop because youre tired. Then they kept the extraction point the same as the insertion. They wanted to die or were too stupid to think any better. Also why the fuck would you just cruise in somewhere where you know shit is going to hit the fan without a gunship escort, yeah the chinooks have mg's but no where near as intimidating as an apache. Those guys deserved what they got for breaking the rules.

>>34698180

>top kek

>>34706171
fuck Iran, invade Pakistan first. They're the reason the war in Afghanistan has lasted this long.

>>34706177
>he Marine Corps' Battle for Freedom in Afghanistan, military journalist Ed Darack cites a military intelligence report stating the strength of the Taliban force to be 8–10, compared to the 80-200 claimed by Luttrell in Lone Survivor. The military intelligence estimate cited by Darack is based on research sourced from intelligence reports, including aerial and eye-witness studies of the battlefield after the fact, including the men sent in to rescue Luttrell, as well as reports from Afghan intelligence.
>4 seals
>vs 8-10 talibans
This is just awful. What went wrong?

>>34709648

hadn't the marines had done similar ops multiple times before and it had always gone fine. then the seals get hold of it and screw the pooch.

>>34714521
>This is just awful. What went wrong?

SEALs are not magical supermen, dude. Catch them in an exposed position, and they're just as easy to kill as a random grunt.

SEALs (and most special forces) work on intel, recon, surprise, violence of action, coordination and speed.

A bullet from a 12 year old african child soldier can kill you just as dead as a bullet from a green beret veteran.

>>34709869
>not switching Lo-fi to Hi-fi
>trying to contact QRF with a line-of-sight radio
>bringing your CAC on a top secret recce mission along with your laptop
>what is sincgars


Dietz was not that bright if Marky L is to be believed, and I've never seen a SEAL do anything to make me think otherwise.

>>34714521

Maybe too much confidence.

The strenght of the US war machine rest in their ability to call a million dollar worth of ordnance on top of your head if you mess with them or just going out at night with their thermals while you have your pants down.

These cowboys went out in enemy territory with poor radio communications, no readily available support and in bright daylight. So they got proper fucked.

Just like these idiotic frogs here...

>>34690693

>>34691145
>The age of the Warhawk is coming, and we are fucked..
What has the age of faggot peaceniks done for the West? Middle Easterners hates us (and not just because of our politics), North Korea is threatening to annihilate us with nuclear weapons, Russia has annexed Ukrainian territory, China is gobbling up the South China Sea, etc.

You people are weak and pathetic.

>>34714934
That's valid, the whole soft power bullshit didn't work when trying to contain North Korea, Iran, China or Russia. We need to hit the Norks hard, and I mean overwhelming firepower, we should strike with the disproportionate, people need to be reminded what happens when you fuck with Rome.

I'm looking forward to a more hawkish view.

>>34692675
They usually only let the ANA handle guns when they're going on mission or on guard duty. Not even their commanders trust them.

>>34714934
>he seriously thinks usa should have authority to judge the territorial dispute between russia and ukraine

don't be surprised that nearly everybody hats you, even your allies

>>34714982
>territorial dispute
There was no such thing until Russia brazenly occupied it in violation of international law.

>>34714521
Luttrell and the tree others were shitbirds. Apparently Murphy shot a guy during training

>>34714982
>everybody hats you

You know Poland is pretty happy with us right now? And most of those countries that were occupied by the USSR are pretty keen on getting US arms and NATO support.

The western world likes it when we show up Russia and China, don't be surprised when we liberate Moscow.

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>>34714982
>we have the right to invade other countries
>you don't have the right to complain when we invade other countries

*hates

>>34714999

Poland pretty happy with you because they want EU gibs without having to bow down to Germany.

>>34715010
>what is NATO

Think you're comparing the EU to NATO or you don't know the difference. They're happy because we've been doing US deployments to former soviet bases.

>>34715010
Or they just hate the eternal Ivan and all of their political games.

>>34714673
It was less a comment on the intelligence of the seals (or lack thereof in this case) than it was on anons own intelligence, for thinking one botched mission where everything went wrong means his group of nobody privates is as good as sof that do nothing else but train and run missions.

It should also be noted that seals aren't meant to engage in full blown fire fights. They go in with limited ammunition and should the need arise, blow all of it in their attempt to exfil. I knew a seal from Vietnam for awhile that said all the SEALS BEST SHOOTERZ shit was all Hollywood, and if they ever had to start shooting it was mission scrubbed 90% of the time

>>34715029
>>34715033

Poland is a member of NATO. Unlike Ukraine, Russia trying anything there would be WW3.

>>34714191
>invade Pakistan
No, just level every livable structure, cave, village, city and kill everything that turns up as bodyheat on thermals.

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>>34715139
>>34714191
Pakistan has nukes and a huge army.

>>34715034
Dietz was an E4 though. Basically a private. I would take a team of Ranger privates over a bunch of trigger happy SEALs. They don't know what support by fire is, they don't plan there own missions and I've watched a SEAL walk, BY HIMSELF, 1k around a shit stream so "he wouldn't get his new boots dirty" while we all waited.

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>>34704739
>Their mission was to provide training to the ANA and security around Kabul.
Well no wonder why the ANA is useless

>>34691637
Yep should be shot.

>>34715754

These mother fuckers always are high on weed and infiltrated by taliban anyway...

realcleardefense.com/articles/2017/03/21/green-on-blue_attacks_in_afghanistan_the_data_111015.html

There was that accident when an ANA soldiers opened fire on twenty French soldiers in the middle of their PT session. Killed five, wounded another fifteen. That was after Americunts took photos of themselves pissing on dead talibans.

>>34714191
Pretty much. A good percentage of senior terrorist leaders are inside of Pakistan.

>>34701201
>I didn't want to kill people. But if people are shooting at me, my friends, or my allies, I'm sure as fuck going to kill them.


I'd say this is the mentality you'd want your soldiers to have.

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>>34689760
This sucks but fucking lol at the first comment in that section:
>Linda Steinberg
>"SPCA International, of which I am a member should be made aware of this crisis."

What in the ever loving fuck is the spca going to do. Do they have some sof team we aren't aware of

>>34716280
>That was after Americunts took photos of themselves pissing on dead talibans.
Worth it.

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>>34716793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxlNrElgT0M

Look at him wag his tail, he's loving it. They look like responsible pet owners to me.

>>34715537
any more SEAL stories? why are they shit?

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>>34717199
that looks like my doggo. please tell me he was ok

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wanat
>13 July 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uzbin_Valley_ambush
>18 August 2008
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaz_Oruzgan
>2 September 2008

What was going on in mid 2008 that enabled the taliban to be this effective? Obviously in late 2001 to early 2002 there were a lot of fighters and a lot of battles, but how did the taliban become so resurgent 7 years later? Can any milfags confirm whether large battles like these happened frequently every year, or was this a period of highly organized durkas?

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>>34687422
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarposa_prison_attack_of_2008
>The Sarposa Prison attack was a raid on the Sarposa Prison in Kandahar, Afghanistan by Taliban insurgents on June 13, 2008. One of the largest attacks by Afghan insurgents, the raid freed 400-1000 prisoners.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarposa_prison_tunneling_escape_of_2011
>The Sarposa Prison tunneling escape was the escape of over 400 Taliban prisoners from Sarposa Prison in Kandahar by tunnel in April 2011.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghazni_prison_escape
>Taliban militants stormed a prison outside the city of Ghazni on 14 September 2015, freeing more than 355 inmates (out of 436 housed at the prison). At least 148 of the escapees are considered to be a serious threat to national security.[2] According to the Ministry of Interior, of those escape, 148 had been jailed for attacks on security forces, while 207 had been convicted for other crimes. Only three prisoners had been recaptured.[3]

>>34698033
LOOK AT THAT HAIRCUT

>>34715537

I call bullshit, surely even a SEAL would think of taking his boots off if that mattered so much.

>>34721272
The type of person who doesn't want to get their boots dirty isn't going to walk through a "shit stream" barefoot.

Tarnak Farm remembers

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>>34695151
>if you look at the history of the middle east except the ottoman litteraly EVERYONE was nothing but savage bashing each others head because "huuurrr you don't believe in the same faith we do hurhuruhrur allah akbar" and let's not even take in account the massive inbreeding inside a single tribe
Comparatively europeans had far, far, far more bloodier battles and wars over pettier shit.
t. /his/

>>34689685

Money says that it was some bullshit ROE issue. You don't become an Apache pilot if you don't want to fuck shit up in an attack helicopter. They probably had some kind of standing order not to engage with air power.

IIRC Canada dealt with similar shit in Afghanistan. Excellent soldiers, absolute shit civilian leadership.

>>34716815
>get to piss on sandniggers
>get to have some baguetteniggers killed for it
what's not to love?

>>34688307
This would have been a lot worse (I hate to sound Moto) if the air craft maintainers who were there had not taken up arms and started rolling with that basic infantry stuff they learned in MCT

>>34718450
The raped him I am afraid.

>>34691371
how do you know they were "all" bad guys?

how do you know they weren't Afghan nationals who don't like their country being invaded and their families and neighbors getting murdered

Seems wrong to me. It's too easy to just place a label on all of them.

>>34722946
But anon, surely they wouldn't care about their families. After all, theyre often the ones that murdered them

>>34691259
gb2>>>reddit, apologist scum.

>>34713819
>support for the other unit might not have been available (other than the Apaches already tasked with the mission).
>t. eurocuck
any shithook would have given up the apaches for a unit in need.

>>34719984
The US started to neglect Afghanistan in favor of the surge in Iraq around 2005/2006

This gave the Taliban a chance to rebound.

germans got btfo on karfreitagsgefecht
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karfreitagsgefecht

>>34706287
It's not a "by-product" if you intend it. And there are sociopaths who do intend it.

I think the whole murdering civilians and creating insurgents in COIN is greatly exaggerated in the modern era. While I'm certain in does happen, I'd wager civilian casualties due to the occupying force's actions are few and far between. The perception that civilian deaths are frequent, high in number and mostly due to negligence is because the media reports heavily on every incident either alleged or substantiated, the outspoken minority overblowing the actual day to day of wars in general, and a successful propaganda campaign of the insurgencies themselves.

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>>34695076
You have a katana, don't you?

>>34723444
I doubt that if they were nationals, why would they attack their own communities, neighbors?

>>34727069
As tribals they've always kept the law and order through threat of violence. Naturally, they sometimes have to follow through with these threats.

>>34711689

Lurk more faggot.

>>34690061

>Ambushed

They stumbled into each other. Both groups were aware of one another, so not an ambush.

>Dozen

Yeah, that number has been tapered significantly since the first claims. It was most likely an equal fight.

>Machine guns, RPGs

Oh no! The enemy has small arms and a grenade launcher!

They should just surrender next time.

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>>34691550
yes. The only problem is if their government for a while now has had restrictions on military spending. As well as military service regarded with trepidation and no longer has the honor and pride that came with service. Now a lot that do have pride are considered ultra nationalists and what not by other nations. And they are told to keep their military presence under wraps or appear too agressive etc. The American ROE is fucked up and ridiculous they have to be shooting at your and being accurate. The German ROE is "will your wound cause death?" okay fine now you can shoot back. but not too much. Hell there were units that Had unit insignia that was deemed "too aggressive and not suitable for a defensive military" so they turned it into a cartoon. Granted this was probably a response to the unit within the last two years that had been sporting an unofficial Afrika Korps Insignia when they were over there. They really shut down ANY aggression and they no longer have small unit leadership. They would get schwacked if they actually fought a conventional war and the small unit commanders actually followed protocol

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>>34688307
you know what kills me? the fact that the infantry Marines who were 1st Battalion 25th Marines prior to getting pulled out like 4 months before this went down kept finding people awake and to take measures to punish them. I cannot fathom the level of just ineptitude that went into this....

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>>34727312
>Reddit spacing

Back to your cesspool

>>34692515
>know it's not been a popular thing to say since like 2006 or whatever but unironically fuck the terrorists
I agree. Fuck America.

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>>34729281
Jane Fonda posts on /k/