Why don't plate carriers give a shit about protecting your

>>34662142
I'll take the bait.
Because it would severely limit mobility, which is worse than not having 100% protection, plus adding bulk and weight to an already heavy kit is undesirable. I could ask the same question about any non covered body part and the answer would be the same.

>>34662142
because your abs need to be able to flex to bend over

sure shitting through a tube sucks but imagine trying to bend over with two metal plates sandwiching the muscles you need to move to bend over

>"yo how do you want your mobility my man?"
>just fuck it all up bro
>"you're wearing a belt too?"
>not anymore!

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Pic related is the one I want. Also post this in /k/ I wanna have a discussion about this

>>34662155

>abs
>4chan

Pick one

>>34662161
Wow apologies ive been on /b/ waaaay too long fucking kek. Disregard

>>34662163
abdominal muscles =/= toned six pack abdominal muscles.

>AR500 armor

Why is this bullcrap still being made?

>>34662169
>ar500 crap?

Wtf bitch you better explain yourself

>>34662178
Spalling, my dude

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>>34662183
Full coat frag mitigation my friend. What else you got?

>>34662142
Because weight and mobility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vTlDHm4boQ

>>34662142
Pretty sure most militaries use armors that you can attach groin plates too

>>34662154
>>34662155
>>34662156
hahahaha enjoy getting a diarrhea just because you buy armor that lets you bend over to suck cocks like the fuckboys you are

>>34662229
Poorfag detected

>>34662163
>his waist is literally at the diaphragm

>>34662190
>>34662178
Lol. Way to be stupid. You can get level IV ceramics for that. Steel plates are shit

>>34662380
>ceramic

Ok let me carry a heavy ass toilet bowl on my chest. Fucking inbred moron. Use your goddamn brain for once you peasant

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>>34662388
Yeah...no.

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Hard body armor is shit unless you are absolutely door kicking frontline military infantry. Civilians with plates Crack me the fuck up.

That being said you can take a gut shot, and provided you receive surgical medical care and emergency life saving techniques within a few hours, you will survive, probably have to wear a colostomy bag, but you will survive. Taking a rifle round high chest is pretty much a death sentence.

Hard armor is a hindrance in 99% of situations. Mobility is king.

>>34662229
Still better than being dead

>>34662476
>die because you can't bend over
oh right, you're a faggot, you'd die if you don't bend over to suck a thousand cocks a day

>>34662476
you're completely impervious to bullets once you're dead though

>>34662414
>mobility fags
lel kys
at least i can take a couple of shots in my chest without dropping like a raccoon

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>>34662142
But they do

>>34662508
Ball protection seems low priority

>>34662142
Because it protects you from instant death or untreatable wounds, which is what most hits to the thoracic cavity are. Most other stuff you can treat.

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>>34662508
why does russian obsessed with protecting their dick and ass

>>34662414
>ard body armor is shit unless you are absolutely door kicking frontline military infantry. Civilians with plates Crack me the fuck up.
Fucking this. Jesus Christ. I'm honestly not even that against body armor but I know that when you are considering/making those purchases, you are definitely approaching the the right side of the diminishing returns spectrum. SHTF, WROL situations dictate you should just fucking leave (for the country, to family's, to anything) and flee the jackboots, raging nogs, and radioactive spiders you are fleeing. What scenario are you envisioning you are in when you'll be using you're own body armor in the afterworld, that you wouldn't be drafted and supplied by a military or police presence.

>>34662577
because they have non mutilated dicks and tight ass?

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>>34662142
This has not been new for like 2 decades.

>>34662612
>What scenario are you envisioning you are in when you'll be using you're own body armor in the afterworld, that you wouldn't be drafted and supplied by a military or police presence.

I would like to see any of the people who advocate wearing body armor for their fantasies run 3 miles with it along with their rifles and see how they fare.

Body armor is fun and games until it's actually time to wear it, for a prolonged amount of time and fighting is a physically exerting thing. This is something most people here do not understand.

Having the right tactics, skills and mindset to avoid such situations will serve you better than walking around your flooded New Orleans type of shitstorm looking like a heavily armed cowboy that any armed thug will immediately register as an armed threat.

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Buy defender 2 and problem solved

>>34662561
>Most other stuff you can treat.
other than the liver, this anon is right. any wound between the neck and belly button is considered immediately life threatening. everything in the abdominal region can be held off for hours until surgery.

>>34662631
Wait, so is this the "tactical romper I heard about?

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>>34662634
Believe me dude, I know you're right. Body armor was big in Iraq because hmmvws and 7-tons carried you everywhere. I'm glad there is some fucking sense still here on /k/.

Like i said if you want to spend your cash on body armor, by all means. But don't try to claim that's the best use of your money. Do you have a GOODBYE radio? Do you have a great medkit? Water storage? Very well maintained and ready to go vehicle? Those will be more important in civilian bad-times.

>>34662631
We USCM Now.

>>34662677
they cost more than 6B45
no thank

>>34662142
A lot of them have a hanging flappy soft part which is rated for some level I'm sure. They don't look cool though. Looking cool is most important thing.

>>34662714
If something is more expensive it means that it's better (in most cases). And please, 6B45 is army vest.

>>34662738
>looking cool

Literally nothing else other than this matters.
I'm was a navy seal before delta picked me up currently a mercenary posting from air force one, and we always left our hydration sources back in the FOB because the little hoses definitely take away from aesthetic appeal.

>>34662142
You cant move it it were one solid piece. My god, they figured this out in the dark ages.

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>>34662485
More like indifferent

>>34662634
>I would like to see any of the people who advocate wearing body armor for their fantasies run 3 miles with it along with their rifles and see how they fare.
Why the fuck would anybody be running around in armor though?

Seriously, grab your family, grab your buddies, get out of dodge, or bug out and rely on safety in numbers.

Body armor doesn't even weigh that much, I'm 6'7 giant dad mode and for me my plates together are 20 pounds roughly. Throw on rifle, ammo, radio and med kit I'm at around 35ish.

And It'd sooner deal with the physical wear and uncomfort than take a bullet to the lung. Though its not like I plan on getting into a firefight in the first place because the people who make it are going to be the defensive types, the meek and the military and police established. Anybody going around thinking they can pop one or two into someone and be done with it are going to be put down like rats by the dude sitting in a water tower with his Savage Axis, or the national guard who will drop you on the spot to keep peace and order. At which point armor becomes an enhancing deterrent until society stabilizes. And even then, it's something I'm not even going to be wearing in the open, because even though its a deterrent, it also makes you a target.

>>34662388
Haven't run into armor grade steel that is lighter than ceramics........ also enjoy getting penned by 556, 243, 270, 25-06 and a few others using copper monolithic

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>>34662577

>>34662703
What is a goodbye radio? For real not trolling

>>34662388
the US mil uses ceramics. They're lighter AND more effective than steel. Suck it, cunt

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>>34662577
that extra armor is specifically for raiding houses. The Ruskies don't fuck around when it comes to raiding

>>34662577
that's an ass pad so you can sit anywhere, anon

>>34662712
You mean USCMC?

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>>34663654
>at point blank
>with a 22" barrel

>>34662142
Its called an ABS (abdominal ballistics system) and it limits mobility/weighs a lot

>>34662388
Lvl 3+ lightweight steel is only about a pound less than thick lvl 4 ceramic plates. Ceramic plates stop all bullets short of a 50 cal though and III+ only stops 556/7.62

>>34662631
This armor is IIIA rated (pistol). Rifle protection is on the chest plate only like with any other carrier.

>>34662536
dont like your balls anon? cut em off and become a trap

>>34663932
20 in 100 yards dead on also note copper solid not 193. Not sure if shorter barrel will change that offhand but decent speed and solid copper fucks ar500 hard

>>34663991
Doesn't even stop those when it is a copper solid for 556 never got to try it for 308

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>>34662142
Plate carriers are a compromise between high protection and mobility / comfort. If you want better protection, get a proper armor carrier vest, like IOTV.

There are extra accessories you can buy to patch up some holes left by PCs, like pic related.

>>34664514
do you fit in 5 or 6 small plates in that belt or what?

>>34664576

Just kevlar.

>>34664576
no, it's all soft, flexible level-IIIA kevlar, with some softening padding.

Not good enough against rifles, but great against handgun and shotgun shots + frag.

Isn't the advantage of level III+ steel plates that they can't be damaged as easily as ceramics?
And anyone got a source for ceramic plates for the price of ar500?
Also whoever said spelling is an issue they're coated in a rubber anti spall coating

>>34663991
The post you're responding to is stupid, but so is this comment.

>>34662380
>>34662388
Why do you both have to be insufferable cunts and just admit both materials make decent armor.

>>34664675
>Isn't the advantage of level III+ steel plates that they can't be damaged as easily as ceramics?
pretty much, yeah. Borderline infinite "shelf life".

>spelling
it's "spalling", and I dare to claim that it's a tad exaggerated issue of sorts. No one wears naked metal plates on them anymore; the PCs themselves provide a quite sturdy layer of nylon on top.

>>34664675
I have ceramic ArmorWear lvl IV plates, got the set for $200. They're heavy tho

>>34664514

I really like that belt pack, what are these called ? just 'Armored Belts' ?

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>>34662508
This

>>34662577
To prevent hazing in the form of gay rape.

>>34664721
I meant "spalling"
Phone posting is cancer
>>34664723
Neat. Thanks

>>34664750
said model is known as "Verseidag Tacticum Battle Belt".

>>34662861
>>34662612
>>34662414
>Katrina
>looters moving through the surrounding neighborhoods
>armed
you can literally look on youtube and find peoples stories of them defending their neighborhood from looters/ sharing guns with their neighbors for this purpose. If I was in a similar situation and im not mobile and just watching over my neighborhood I cant think of a single reason wearing plates would be a bad idea.

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>>34664794
I also add that if you're worried about them making you a target just put a sweatshirt it and it wont be an issue if you're just neighborhood guard after a nearby disaster. Another thing that comes to mind is the LA riots. If you offered the rooftop Koreans sitting in one spot defending their store plate carriers and plates do you think they would have turned them down?

>>34664708
both have limitations as well and the mitigation factors for steel leave it vulnerable to common hunting rounds that ceramics will stop. That said for having a static barrier steel does win out as thickness and weight are lesser factors to cost and durability. Steel can work for mobile personal protection but ceramics even at level 3 just beat them out overall

>>34664794
Fatigue after 8 hours but you can get used to it so your point is valid also fuck 36 hours in a tower

Out in the rural lands where distances are the divide - the ability to be prone out is a huge THING. You are using rogers rangers tactics, you are sticking to tree lines and avoid big fields.

If its you and a few buddies and you don't hold exactly what you would call numerical superiority, then mobility is fucking king.

Digging in and going prone for your ambush against whatever comes down this road is paramount.
Having a 20 lb plate carrier on with a mag or 2 on it
with an alice belt and pouches fill with ammo water and side arm what 15+ more lbs
that rifle 6-10 lbs
ruck sack with rations for 2-3 days, more water, spare ammo, medical kit

Its hot, you and 4 other guys are walking in the sun, trying to catch shade where you can. Can't use vehicle cause emp took care of everything.
You have to carry spare water.

You shtf fantasy sounds like shit at this point.

I say fuck that.!

>>34664843
I would say with good sectors of fire and cover the plates would be redundant (only head exposed) but for on the fly positions yeah not bad to have on guard duty

>>34665135
Sounds like deployment with less truck use

>>34662577
Because living without your balls and with a bag of shit strapped to your waist probably sucks.

>>34662163
wait then why was /fit/ made if i can't choose both

>>34662612
>What scenario are you envisioning you are in when you'll be using you're own body armor in the afterworld, that you wouldn't be drafted and supplied by a military or police presence.

Race war, lel.

>Its not likely that you will need this thing so I'm upset that you buy it.

>Why do you guys want options?

KYS desu

>>34662169
>Why is this bullcrap still being made?

Because contrary to memes, it does work. Also, ceramic does break fairly easily if you drop it. IRL, ceramic is definitely better than steel, but since this is /k/ and everyone is LARPing, steel is fine and work adequately for the few of us who actually train. Also, if SHTF, steel works.

>>34665563
Pretty much steel has its fail points with rifle+ammo combinations and ceramics will fail when they get fucked up enough. Both are improved with Kevlar to some degree and both are better than just Kevlar

>>34662508
Armor Carrier / tactical vest =/= plate carrier.

>>34664343
There are no copper solid FMJ 5.56mm rounds

The M855A1 can go through III+ plates under optimal conditions though

>>34664721
Steel plates are infinite durability and shelf life because theyre just waterproof coated pieces of metal

>>34664759
>Implying level 3 plates are strong enough to stop high pressure low velocity Russian rapecock

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Buy one of these on aliexpress and sew it to the bottom of your vest. It'll be annoying hanging down and bouncing off your legs, but shouldn't limit mobility much

>>34662577
Maybe because they don't want be fucking traps?

>>34665691
fhttp://www.theamericanmarksman.com/Bullets-1st--250-Rounds--Reman-223--55-gr-Solid-Copper_p_340.html At first google

>>34665563
>Also, ceramic does break fairly easily if you drop it.
Thing is cracks don't make ceramic lose all protection. They reduce penetration velocity like by 10% against rated threat. As level IV rated against M2 AP it protection overmatches most ammo by huge margin so just cracks will do no difference.

>>34665683
>There are no copper solid FMJ 5.56mm rounds
TSX 50 grains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYcwRSKS-A

>>34662156
Are there battle belts that are actually handgun rated?

>>34665815
>just cracks will do no difference.
you don't understand material integrity at all it seems. A single microcrack can jeopardize the protection of the entire plate, instantly.

>>34665830
see >>34664514

>>34665835
>A single microcrack can jeopardize the protection of the entire plate, instantly.
Ballistic tests say otherwise.

>>34662812
Former Army Ranger turned SEAL team 6 operator here to back this up, as long as you train hard every day and believe in freedom, your body will provide all the water you need. 60% of your 200 pound (or more, fatty, lol) frame is pure water, so don't try to tell me your 5 quart canteen will save your life. Training is the key to unlocking all the internal water you will ever need.

>>34663680
I thought the Army switched to M4s before they adopted UCP

>>34665865
Military R&D QA teams say otherwise

>>34665835

Depends on the size and depth of the crack, location the bullet strikes, etc.

>>34662612
Enjoy being killed trying to run off back to daddy's during the happening.

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>>34664291
>trap with no balls
What's even the point?
You might as well fuck a tranny

>>34662178
not that guy, but any plate that can be perforated by a shotgun slug (even a custom one) is a shitty plate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voM13PNFYZI

>>34665877
>plate gets hit by .338 lapua magnum
>stops the round
>shattered at this point
>gets hit AGAIN by .338
>stops a second round
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paf3VtmLZuc

>>34662142

Because plate carriers are designed to optimize both protection AND mobility. Focusing on one at great cost to the other leads to a sub-optimal level of vulnerability, given that both are necessary to avoid being killed in combat.

For much the same reason that all modern tanks draw their lineage from "medium" design principles (rather than heavy or light tanks), infantry are gravitating towards plate carriers because they are the best compromise between armor and speed. Especially with lighter ceramic plates, PCs allow a soldier near-complete range of motion while still protecting them from nearly all non-treatable torso injuries.

Consider also that the fighting load of American infantry (I can't speak for other Western armies) is constantly increasing to accommodate more technology-based solutions to IEDs and communications. You gotta cut weight somewhere.

I'll tell you niggers why:

Because at the end of the day, mobility is gonna pay dividends more than gut protection.

I've seen someone take 7.62 to the stomach and proceed to immediately dump a mag into the shooter.

Gut shots aren't lethal, they just suck and can fuck you up.

>>34665996
What makes you think turdoramic would be any better?

>>34666037
>Dude being able to bend over and give a brojob in the heat of the moment is way more important than not having to shit in a colostomy bag for the rest of my life lmao

>>34666129
>has never had to bound or maneuver
go ahead and excuse yourself from commenting

>>34665815
Makes me wonder how he would handle the existence of brass solids if they were legal

>>34666150
You're not a ballerina.

>>34662163
>lardass
>in a situation where plates are needed or useful
Pick one.

>>34666195
no shit? what does that have to do with anything

>>34662229
I lold.

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How practical would samurai armor be today for modern warfare if you replaced the lamellar with AR500? Seems like it would offer great coverage and decent mobility as long as you weren't a DYEL.

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>>34662163

>>34666311
I'm 100% straight but if that dude started kissing me at a bar I wouldn't stop him...

>>34666615
then youre not 100% straight, faggot

>>34666666
>>34666615
ouch

>>34666666

HEXES IN 6s CONFIRM YOU ARE CORRECT AND HE IS A FAG

FUCKING CHECKED MY DUDE

>>34662155
Right because you can't make it so that the armor is made up of smaller sections interconnected that will still give you movement while offering protection.

>>34662497

Let's see you get up after the wind being knocked out of you and with a broken rib, you dumb fuck. Body armor does not make you invincible.

Not a mobilityfag, I actually sell body armor.

>>34667310
>le bullets can break your bones despite body armor because muh energy

newton's third law, nigger

>>34662229

Thanks for your input, Mr. Neverhasserverdbefore

>>34667329
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/caed/8b282fce2e16be68ad41faa77efc6cc37999.pdf

>>34662497
If you, as a civilian, find yourself in a situation where you are taking multiple rifle rounds to the chest, you have somehow fucked up so bad that plates are not going to save you. You are fucked.

>>34662229
enjoy getting shot in the neck because you were the only one standing up

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>>34666311
>That peak performance

the best body armor is not getting shot

>>34668299
https://youtu.be/ebXNIK4P6l4?t=339

>>34665815
>>34665813
The 55gr ones are slow 223 and lead core. The tsx 50gr are hollowpoint

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>>34666000
Holy shit. That was from close range too.

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>>34662142
What is a crotch plate

>>34668461
No fucking way I actually found someone else who watched this shitty show on /k/
no fucking way, dude

>>34669123
Those guys are the fucking best

>>34666000
This is what Mallninja has wanted all these years...

>>34662621
>tight ass
>russian military
I am of havink bad news, Ivanov.

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>>34666666
>6x6 excellence
>fag isn't straight
checked

>>34665835
Also a lot of ceramic plates now have a grid pattern cut into them, which helps them deal with multiple strikes better. Each little square is almost like a 'scale' and the damage is usually kept to that scale or the nearby ones, leaving the rest of the vest intact

>>34665813
How does fort scott do vs body armor?

>>34666666
>6 hexes

well butter my ass and call me susan

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>>34662142
Why does everyone assume that it has to be one entire steel plate? A separate plate can be stored in an abdominal pouch that's connected by a flap, similarly to the cod piece on heavier armor.

You can have separate lower lumbar, hip, and lower abdominal armor pouches connected by elastic so there's still a degree of freedom of movement. It wouldn't be that expensive because the materials are all nylon.

Better yet, make PICO-MV standard, use R&D to squeeze maneuverability out of modular armor systems.

>>34666000
Tiled ceramic plating.

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>>34670066

>>34662479
I think I recognize you from other threads. Sup bitter bettie. You're gonna get assraped by someone who can bend to thrust once you get knocked down and flail like a backwards turtle.

>>34662820
Kek. I love you, no homo.

>>34670188
ballistic traps are when they come flying at you redy 2 fuk

>>34662155
Metal plates on muscle? You mean stitches dumbass

>>34671594
>you hear a sharp crack and something whizz by your head
>a second later: 'I will be a warm and pliable lover if only you accept me as a womaaaaaaaan'

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>>34671594

>>34662497
Keep telling that to yourself kid

>>34670066
>Boku no PICO
>>34664250

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>>34666666

>>34671666
>luuk at me im so fast just like muh siege/COD fantasies i'm so john wick now

>>34668992
Well haven't had any problems picking up the bullets at lgs for reloading in spitzer solids so dunno what to tell you.

>>34672603
Exactly. No such thing as mobility when hot iron is flying through the sky.

Everyone is gonna duck and cover, there is no other way to survive.

>>34668992
>The tsx 50gr are hollowpoint
Doesn't stop it from punching through Level III steel plates like M193 does.

>>34672788
Did not know that ....... here I was going through the expense of finding the Spitzer version or reloading. What distance and barrel length has worked with your hp version?

>>34672603
I wasn't reffering to the whole mobility thing, I was talking about how retarded he sounded when he said he could tank shots to the chest

>>34662142
You mostly want to protect your heart, lungs, and head since they are the 3 most important organs.

>>34672881
Still, being able to take a couple of shots to the chest without bleeding seems like a good deal

>>34672966
Agreed

>>34672959
After the big three organs, you have the big three arteries. One is protected the same way you protect the heart, a gorget and plate skirt cover the other two. Just those two additions will make pistol bullets much less lethal.

>Shit mobility
>No battlebelt now I have to load up more pouches towards the center instead of being able to put them on my sides

t. IOTV Wearer.

>>34667329
What's your argument? Newton's Third Law is exactly why you are wrong. You have to take into account the sectional density and plasticity/elasticity of the bodies in this system to truly understand how they will deform and displace the force of impact. That is what makes the difference between someone without armor getting slotted (even with the projectile retaining some kinetic energy as it exits) and someone with armor getting the wind knocked out of them with potentially bruised ribs and internal bleeding. That kinetic energy has to go somewhere, and that somewhere is the poor sap getting shot.

1/10, made me fucking reply.

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>>34666666
>checked

>>34662414
What Chest rig is that?

>>34672844
>What distance and barrel length has worked with your hp version?
Link is above in the thread. You can google other tests.

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>>34665871
on the off chance you're not a complete retard posting bait, i'll clue you in to some hydration facts.

most people in this thread are talking about SHTF kit, and might not be able to return to your cozy FOB every day.

male typical range for % water in their system is 50-65%. females are 45-60%. Max on both scales is the outlier, not the norm.

in-shape athletes lose 1.75-3.00 pounds of water weight per hour during exercise. Average of 2.4 lbs/hour on your 200 pound frame means you have about:


45 minutes of continuous activity before noticeable thirst

90 minutes before performance decreasing
(thinking, moving, calculating, vision etc.)

3 hours before 30% loss of performance

4 hours before headaches and loss of thermoregulation

6 hours before collapse

8-9 hours before coma and or death

taking a break extends the timeline, but not by much if you're not replacing salts and water.

>>34665871
Shit bait, you tried.
have a (you)

>>34662163
>what is human anatomy

>>34673201
Will look into that after work, phone is shit for video atm

>>34664291
That...actually makes you a reverse trap.

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>>34673114
Beez Combat Systems. Super low profile, and they make custom anything to your specs. Fantastic gear.

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>>34665728

>>34673557
i see they custom made a plus-sized variant for you

>>34665872
It's a slow transition. A lot of nonessential personnel or second line guys are still caring the M16A2.

>>34666311
>peak performance
>can't run two miles without puking or having a heart attack

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>>34666666
No survivors

>>34673841
The fuck? Do you even realize who that is?

>>34662508
I've always wanted to use the phrase dickflap when talking about something. I never had the opportunity until now. It wasn't as satisfying as I expected it would be.

>>34673557
lose some weight

>>34673557
Son, stop playing LarpingSoft in my house. I bought you that gear because I thought you would be responsible with it.

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>>34665901
>>34665431
All these butt hurt fags defending their $500 or more purchase they'll never use.

>>34669706
Alan Partridge? King of North Norfolk radio?

>>34674155
this is always a shitty argument. The vast majority of /k/ will never fire any of their guns in anger but no one ever brings this up when talking about $2000+ guns. You can argue that its ok because the guns are cool/collectible but the same argument can be applied to armor.

>>34662142
Because they're relatively unimportant, intestines are also relatively easy to repair.

>>34662577
Because right next to your nuts is your femoral artery. Which I would rate about Important/10

>>34665251
Does your bf know you own guns ?

>>34673557
I'm glad there is company custom tailoring for fat fucks

>>34673557
that improper use of the sling lol

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>>34662577
It's because sitting in their AFV's is either real cold or real hot and they don't want their buns cooking or freezing

>>34664794
Katrina was what happened when you take detroit and put it under 12 feet of water.

Looters did exist, but New Orleans is a shit fest ghetto. So you stay away from the cities and you're good.

For me I live in central Wisconsin, so at most I'd have to worry about is the nigger types spilling out of chicago and Milwaukee which is our own little Chicago, minus the serious crime.

Besides, if you stay away from the cities, in 90% of cases, if they're like Jew York, they'll run out of water and food within 3 days even if immediate, hard rationing is enacted.

>>34662163
>not being /K/ and /fit/


not gonna make it m8

>>34662229
>>34662479
lol

>>34677613
>not being /k/, /fit/, and /out/
you'll never make it through the happening

>>34666311
>This is the typical American body. You may not like it, but this is what peak obesity looks like.

>>34673841
i spot a skele

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>>34677663
>mfw got a pro deal with columbia
>mfw i bought a bunch of stuff that i can use for work and for shtf

post favorite youtubes

>>34673557

About how long do they take to ship? Ive been thinking about their slick iba insert carrier

>>34662229
>>34662388
ha jesus, you can't even hide how underage you are in these posts

>>34677774
If you can't tell his obvious trolling you're a legit autist, probably you're the underage aswell

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Thoughts on Imperial Guard flak armor?