Is the Century C308 a gun worth having? Classic has a deal

>>34650841
No don't do it, the new ones are Century only and they suck.

>>34650865
What makes them so bad? They can't be too terrible.

>>34650865
>the new ones are Century only
Actually most of the parts are made by PTR.
> and they suck.
A Century assembled gun will be hit or miss, look at the old WASRs. For $530 you really can't go wrong, but don't expect a quality rifle.

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>>34650940
>What makes them so bad?
They employ drunken monkeys.

>>34650841
Get a ptr

>>34651007
How is a PTR different from a C308?

>>34651046
Quality control, mostly, and a few other minor changes (the size of the retaining ring on the recoil spring, etc).

>>34650940
Most of them aren't bad. Some of them are terrible (canted sights, slam fire, etc). The original cetme parts weren't made with the same tolerances of the later G3 components, and Century can't be bothered to actually make sure that everything's kosher when they assemble them.

>>34651088
So it's mostly just the chance of having bad luck then?
Don't the guns come with a warranty from Century anyway? What would they cover with that?

>>34651088
Slam fire is a feature not a flaw

>>34650841
>No paddle mag release
Into the trash it goes.

I bought mine for a decent price at a gun show. I'm not too crazy about their welding job on some parts, but they hold so I can't bitch much. My only real complaint is the rear sight. I can't flip the motherfucker to the other increments without the aid of my multi tool pliers. In other words, I'd recommend purchasing one in person and not online. If it has to be online and through Classic, then I'd try your luck with the hand select option if they offer it.

>>34651141
It's a flaw if it slams when you chamber a round.

>>34651149
That doesn't seem like a bad thing to me. I like buttons better.

>>34651141
:^)

>>34650841
>4 MOA
>terrible QC from Century

have fun shooting your buddy with 7.62 NEATO when you send the bolt home

>>34651158
Whatever floats your boat. I have pretty large hands and hitting the button release is awkward even for me.

Why not just get an AR10 instead?

>>34651265
Because OP is poor. Pay attention to context clues anon.

>>34651109
Yeah, they come with a warranty from century - but after you pay shipping or replace parts a few times, you may as well have just bought a PTR.

>>34650981
So basically, Russian AK-quality? That's good enough for me.

>>34651295
ya, but you could get a PA10 from PSA for 699 at their 4th of july sale, it will be that cheap again for black friday, etc...

If only Century could bring back the Zastava M77 - the actually decent Century .308.

>>34650940
Shitty welds my dude, the monkeys there still haven't learned from their previous mistake with their cetme builds.

>>34650952
At the end of the day good parts don't matter if they are put together by a blind drunk monkey.

>>34650952
PTR literally gives them a stamped and bent reciever, a trunnion and their cheapest furniture.
The barrel is not PTR

>>34651412
Everything I've read online indicates that PTR makes the barrels for them.

>>34651046
It's closer to a G3A3 for starts (save for bayo lug and grenade spigot)
You get a metal lower and a paddle mag release, the only downside is a proprietary modified CETME style cocking tube - it's actually ribbed for greater rigidity and your pleasure.
The biggest advantage is PTR is using (Portugese) HK tooling and has quality control leagues above.
Century just buys a bent reciever from PTR and hammers it all together.

Also PTR fled Maryland for the Carolinas and is trying to get their hands on HK33 and MP5 tooling - they need your support

>>34651433
Everything I've read indicates a PTR barrel is not a guarantee - esp on early ones.
And lets be frank here - PTR could be giving them cut barrel blanks or quality control rejects.

PTR barrel or not, it's not explaining why C308's are averaging 4-5 MOA when PTR GI's are under 2

>>34650841
The ptr is the gun worth having. The c308 is a compromise and you know it faggot.

>>34650952
The wasr is already built and century basically only opens the magwell dumbass. Its considered and import not a century build. Ptr gives them some receivers and century monkeys WELD shit and headspace and GRIND YOUR BOLT DOWN when they fuck up to force headspace. Century BUILDS the c308. Dumbass.

>>34651295
Hey fuck face for the 10th time in the 8th thread dpms and psa ar 10s are now around $500~$600 dollars. If you're struggling that much maybe you can't afford to shoot .308.

>>34651341
Hahaha dumbass. We wish we had russian quality. Where have you been for the last eight years dumbass? Fucking absolute retard. Have you seen how much those russian quality saiga or vepr ak47/74s cost?

>>34651374
The bolt and way it fed was fucked. There's a reason why nobody talks about it or misses it.

>>34651341
Dude... you can't be serious. I'm an AR dude, even I know that Russian AK's are probably the best you can buy if you can even find/afford them. Good luck finding them in America with our import laws.

You should lurk in the AK general a bit, from what I gather Bulgarian are the next best thing. I'm thinking of getting an NPAP myself at some point.

>>34651158
>I've never used a ptr style button release

It's objectively terrible.

>>34650841
Absolutely not. Save a few hundred more for a PTR91, which will actually be good.

>>34650940
Known issues include shitty welds, out of spec rollers, faulty sights, slamfires and shooting like 6 inch groupings at 100 yards.

>>34650952
Doesn't matter where the parts come from, when it's Century building guns, it's a huge crapshoot.

>>34653257
Alright, advise taken. I was mostly just looking for a cheap semi-auto rifle since I lack one entirely, and $480 after rebate seemed like a damn good walkaway price for a .308 semi-auto.

What are some good, low range starter guns for someone looking to get a first semi-auto, if this isn't one?

>>34653300
I mean. AR duh?

Ruger or s&w

>>34653300
An AR15 honestly.

>>34653300
Fucking dpms ar10 or a psa ar10 fool, they're literally $5~600 right now.

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>>34653310
>>34653311
What about a Del-Ton, how are those? I can get pic related for $440, and it comes with a cheap $25 red dot sight for free.

There are other options for a little bit more, but most have the A2 style gasblock, which would make it a bit more difficult to put a free-float on the gun later, and don't include any sort of rear sight so I'd still need to buy one, or an AR carry handle, to be able to aim the damn thing. For about $470 after shipping and transfer I can get a Del-Ton that has an A2 gasblock and a flip up rear sight included.

How are Bear Creek ARs? I see some on Classic for pretty cheap.
There's also Omni-Hybrids but I've heard to always avoid polymer lowers.

>>34650841
Stop making these threads Sweaty Benny, nobody wants your century-made garbage.

>>34650841

I heard if it shits the bed, you can send it to PTR and they'll make it not shit. Is this true?

>>34653370
I have a Delton rifle that I got when they were new from an FFL in the family, I have the Echo 316, and it runs like a champ, I just put a carry handle on and it looks great

>>34653370
No

>>34653709
No

If you want to be NEATO got to pay to play. Nut up and buy a ptr or just buy a 308 bolt gun. Jesus.

>>34653770

Recommend gud cheap bolt guns bb

>>34653370
Did we say delton? No. Ar556 or M&p15.

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>>34653753
I heard the slickside can be kind of a detriment when it comes to the way brass flies and such, I can get pic related, a Del-Ton Sport Mod 2, with the rear sight included, for only $20 more than the Echo 316H.

>>34653770
Quality post right here.
>makes statement with nothing to back it up
And good job not reading the first post of the thread
>>34650841
>I've really been looking to pick up some more guns that aren't the same old bolt action rifles I've had forever

>>34653370
Stop trying to buy from fucking classic holy shit

>>34653847
Provide an alternative, or at least a justification for your random anger.

>>34653855
They are driving up the price of milsurp by baiting people into buying products they are classified as better condition than they actually are.

Also fuck yourself Ben. Go on a diet before the beetus gets you.

>>34650841
I was using one of these when i was serving in the millitary (Turkish Armed Forces). Depends on where you will use it. Mine had some serious problems, it stuck most of the time because of the hard terrain.

>>34651494
>dem Russian AK costs
They're expensive because they're "banned". That doesn't change the fact that they suck. Even Russian special forces chooses garbage Bushmasters they got from Georgia over their AK, when given the chance.

>>34653087
So which "Russian" AKs are you talking about that can people still get if they're banned?

Sounds like an excuse.
>Russia AKs are the best!
>"well I can't find any so how am I supposed to test them?"
>you're just gonna have to trust me

>>34650865
It's a fucking roller-delayed battle rifle for not much more than the higher end Hi-point carbines. How good does it really have to be?

>>34654781
Turkey used C308's? Oh my god, I'm so sorry anon.

>>34654907
This honestly. Worst case scenario, if you don't like it hold on to it until 2020 and sell it to some shmuck for $1000.

>>34653781
Savage Axis
Ruger American
They're available in .223 as well for even cheaper ammo.

The CZ527 is in 7.62x39mm which is also really cheap.

I got one last week during the special.
I put 100 rounds through it and have had 0 issues.
Eventually I'm gonna do some accuracy tests on paper at 100 yards, but so far its been able to hit a small steel plate at 200 with open sights.
For the price pick one up.

>>34657383
>I put 100 rounds through it and have had 0 issues.
That is seriously fucking nothing.

Try to get up in a roundcount of even just a humble 1000, you'll start seeing issues.

>>34657383
How's the build quality?

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i bought one from classic. Fit and finish are not bad. Sights aren't THAT shitty. Welds are a bit crude but functional. Obviously its not going to be a beautiful work of art, but it is quite functional.

odd thing is though mine doesn't have canted sights

and this weird PTR company seems to have supplied many of the parts

and it only cost $500


PTRfags btfo

>>34657589
It's actually pretty good. Everything fits together nice and snug, all the cetme parts are in great condition. The welds could be a little nicer but overall they did a good job in my opinion.

>>34657413
If it was going to have issues it would have started in the first 100.
And any rifle could have problems with a 1000 fucking rounds through it.

>>34658184
You get a PTR reciever and barrel.
>B-b-b-b-b-but PTR probably gave them shitty ones.
They seem well made to me.
And the rest is pretty much just cetme parts which are pretty much new old stock it seems.
I am going to put a metal lower on mine however.

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If you buy a C308 and some original H&K parts you can make a rifle that is better than a PTR for about 2/3 the price. PTRfags eternally BTFO

>>34658184
Looking forward to your slamfires and out of spec rollers.

>>34654862
VEPRs are still around. Atlantic still has a few in stock.

>>34658320
oh fuck me
might have to buy a new $8 recoil spring

>>34658320
My gun doesn't slamfire.
Also measured the bolt gap and it's perfectly in spec.

>>34658449
>My gun doesn't slamfire
... Yet

>>34658526
And if it happens I'll spend the couple bucks and change out the parts I need.
It's almost as if you can get a plethora or parts for this rifle for small amounts of money.

>>34653855
How do you not know of classics shitfuckery which has only been surpassed by cheaper than dirts jewry and rock river arms and springfields selling out of 2nd amendment rights?

>>34654862
you're a fucking idiot. sgls used to be cheap as fuck with $600 being the going rate for an unconverted before thanks obama happened. there are a ton of them now but people dont sell them because muh collectors piece. maybe if you werent such a fucking retard and had any friends one of them might let you shoot their russian ak.

also you must be new to the internet so let me tip you in on this badass site bro its called "youtube" and you can watch all kinds of videos but in this case of various aks from all around the world being tested to see which lasts and which breaks. try it, look for ak operators union. kthanxbai

>>34658184
riding on other peoples coattails while talking shit, acting like you're some sort of enlightened but broke as fuck gentleman. congrats on turning the Cshit08 into the new fedora rifle.

>>34651441
>HK33 and MP5 tooling - they need your support
and i need sauce on that

>>34658224
Boy are you fucking wrong, where did you get your technical data a fucking coloring book? you're a fucking know nothing dumbass. Some guns come with a break in round count higher than what you've shot through your abortion rifle that turned you into an expert.

>>34658292
except you cant, you didnt see the other thread where the other broke retard thought he was slick?

>>34658449
you know bolt gap will move and settle right? hahaha

>>34660199
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>>34660271
All (You)?

>>34651295
PSA has them for a hundred or so more

>>34660199
>telling people to watch YouTube videos of shills and barely literate cucks dump mud on their guns as "proof"

Sorry there, friend. Didn't mean to trigger you.

>>34658353
I just checked and the only Veprs in stock there are the .308 version.

Did panic buying cleaned them out, or is Atlantic hoarding them again to be sold at 3x the price?

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>>34658224
>any rifle can have issues in its first 1k round

True to some extent as these things happen, but when you're shooting. 308 out of a complete Century built rifle you're almost guaranteed something to go to shit.

With as many examples of poor QC on these and other guns that Century has built over the years it's hard to feel sorry you people who buy this shit. It's like running out to buy one of those Samsung Galaxies that had problems exploding despite knowing they have a manufacturing defect.

Though Century is more of a manufacturer defect.

>>34658292
They don't use the H&K style U clip that hangs off the cocking tube and allows the barrel to free float.
Also, despite all the faggots here saying C308's use PTR barrels, heres a video showing the two compared - it's a current non-railed GI model (these are special order now and GI's are usually railed but the presenter doesn't seem to know this) and a C308

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLz4A_6XgzA

Basically: PTR GI's use G3 match spec barrels, and whether C308's use PTR barels or not they are cut to a different profile
I mean you can do the mod to swap a u-clip and add HK parts, but at that point you are spending more than what it would cost to buy a PTR.

C308's are however bar none perfect if your plan is to turn one into a HK11, HK21, MSG-90, or PSG-1 clone - you get a G3 reciever and the buy in is less than a PTR

C308 negatives and woes:
>4-5 MOA
>Barrel does not free float - does not use the U-clip attached to the cocking tube that PTR/HK uses.
>Totally different triple post - Front sight is adjustable for elevation and windage, rear sight is not adjustable for windage, and front sight windage adjustment is poor. Entirely different bayonet and bayonet socket is used and a G3 bayonet lug cannot be mounted on the CETME triple frame.
>Barrel profile is wholly different from a PTR-91, representing the profile used on CETME's and early G3's - the PTR's profile is G3A3 and later HK Match. PTR produces some of the barrels for C308's
>Polymer lower
>Rear sight is not adjustable for windage, nor is it removable being welded onto the reciever
>No paddle mag release
>Internal parts of varying quality
>Hit or miss quality control
>An absolute garbage tier muzzle device that is not faithful to either the CETME or G3 military variants and probably has something to do with shitty groupings

C308 plusses:
You get a cheap already folded PTR reciever with trunnion for projects - it's bar none perfect for a HK11/HK21 build, could technically also be used in a 5.56 HK13/HK23 machine gun build.
For reference - HK11/HK13 - magazine fed 7.62 and 5.56 Squad automatics
HK21/HK23 - Belt fed LMG's
It's also good for a MSG-90 or a PSG-1 build - although the upper tier PTR MSG-91's would probably be a better starting point - after all MSG's and PSG-1's are basically money is no concern builds.
As for the smaller entries - the PTR K3P is basically an out of the box G3K with no stock, and the PDW and 51P are essentially a stock away from being a HK51/MC51


PTR negatives:
>Price in comparison
>Cocking tube is a ribbed modified improved (late)CETME design designed to use a U-clip - PTR does this because it's an improvement on the G3 design - stronger and less likely to bind up if the CH if it takes a hit and gets bent, while also being slightly preferable to insure free floating

>>34660762
PTR Negatives continued:
>No bayonet lug - easily remedied with a HK socket which costs less than 20 bucks

PTR Positives:
>Higher quality control
>Free floating
>Lowest tier GI's group lower than 2MOA with shit ammo
>Paddle mag release
>Triple post - better front sight profile - front sights can be swapped to a myriad of designs as long as they are triple post designs, Bayo lug is a socket, takes the cheap as balls G3 bayonet.
>Rear sight is mounted on a welded rail and can be entirely removed from the rifle.
>Rear sight can be adjusted for windage much, much better than the front sight on the CETME.
>Rear sight drum is much more tactile than the CETME rear sight
>Metal lower
>Takes all G3 furniture and internal parts without modification, including collapsing stocks

>>34658251
The barrel isn't the same profile as the PTR GI or any of the higher tier PTR's.
The taper is entirely fucking different - go look at video's of them stripped.
Not to fucking mention that it doesn't use the U-clip and the handguards don't free float

>>34654862
God you're dense. They're not "banned" as in the police will take it away and shoot your dog if you're caught with one. They're banned to import, due to sanctions. The ones already in the USA are fine.

They're so expensive because no more are coming in, so there's a finite supply.