1.pak fa 2.Chengdu J-20 3.su 35 4.rafale 5.f-22 6.mig 35 7.J-11

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>>34646874
shit thread

What are you even ranking them on? Air superiority? It doesn't make sense to include those designed for different purposes in one list.

>>34646874
You are supposed to start the list with the best one in the one-spot. Looks like you got it mixed up

>>34646889
everything they are all multirole after all

>>34646894
who do you think its best i think is pak fa

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>>34646900
no.

>>34646874
Stick to your first thread vatnik, don't shit up the board with multiples.

>>34646924
whats vatink
sorry dont know

>>34646874
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_surface-to-air_missiles
2. whatever you're flying

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>>34646874
You should consider using a different image for each thread when you're posting the same shitty trolls and/or weakass propaganda.

You should also avoid putting in so many obviously false statements in your OP. When the *good* vatniks do it, they start with a small falsehood surrounded by actual truths, and pose their target viewpoint as a question to prompt discussion, and their intended answer will be revealed indirectly in later posts.

This? This is just shit. It's not even interesting. Even your capitalization is inconsistent, as if you're pulling from a copy-pasted list.

Go sit on your dragon dildo in the corner and think about what poor life decisions lead you to this point and how you can do better.

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>>34646939
>vatink
A russian nationalist, who despite suffering in abject poverty due to russia being shit, spends all his day fervently defending russia, thinking that they still have a military power worth of note.
Blames Ukies, facist CIA homonazi jews, gay euros and muslims for all russias troubles, is completely detached from reason and logic, treats facts as a western conspiracy.
Happily dreams up falsehoods and push kreml propaganda pieces like RT and SputnikNews and gets upset when people use truth and facts to expose russian lies.
>tl;dr
OP is a vatnik

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>>34646874
Gripen E is far superior to any russian fighter currently in service or even being developed.
The Selex Raven AESA is a decade ahead of russian PESA, the MBDA Meteor gives Gripen a punch and range that russia can only dream of, the 0.1m^2 RCS coupled with TIDLS makes it far more stealthy than the PAK-FA could hope to be.
These are hard cold FACTS.

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>>34646874
>1.pak fa
Garbage, and not even in use
>2.Chengdu J-20
See above
>3.su 35
Complete Garbage, but hey, it looks great at airshows
>4.rafale
Decent, but with snowflake ammunition
>5.f-22
Great in every way
>6.mig 35
Complete garbage, shouldnt even be allowed to be in a thread about modern aircraft
>7.J-11
See 3
>8.gripen
Cheap and okay for what it was designed to do
>9.eurofighter
Expensive and okay for what it was designed to do
>10.f-35
Great, but expensive

>your thread
Garbage and shouldnt be on /k/

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>>34646874
Sorry about the autism

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>>34647344
SoRrY aBoUt AuTiSm

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>>34646874

>>34647147
t.brainless fatnik

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>>34647408
Not at all Mr. Cheng Wong Dong, rightfull Swedish citizen

PAK-FA is a fucking unicorn and i fart at their general direction and shit on them from the highest vantage point possible.

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>>34647429
Even worse

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>>34647442
At least Im not living in China/Russia, and make more than 10 Rubels/Yuan a month unlike you.

Also, what does throatsinging have to do with sweden?

>>34647147
>5.f-22
>Great, but in need of upgrades from the F-35 program.
>10.f-35
>Great and cheap.
Fixed bru.

>>34647051
im not russian friend????
where are you from
why do you need to insult somebody over plane discussion are you afraid you will lose your f-22s and f-35s ?

>>34647475
i live in Moscow and make 4300$ month after tax
You're most likely just a fucking greasy neet who lives on 1000 neetbux month.

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>>34646874

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>>34647549
I live in a small Swedish town, and make roughly 4500 after tax, so get on my level. I have a vacation right now, but I guess you dont know what that is in the 3rd world.

And I dont get beaten up by the police for saying anything bad about Putin.

Also, I actually have a real job, and dont make my money by shilling about shit I know isnt true on a Taiwanese goat hearding forum.

>>34647545
>i am not a russian/vatnik
This is actually like the middle field in vatnik bullshit bingo, it always gets hit.

>>34647549
>actually living in russia
Not that guy but I'd rather be poor than be russian
Also, bragging about at best mediocre wealth on a Cambodian finger painting forum without even a wad of cash to back it up, poor form chap.

>>34647607
>sweden
AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>34647619
ok but why do you need to insult somebody over discussion about planes friend?
do you do this in real life with your friends or gf also?

>>34646874
>ranking fake planes first

funny

>>34647633
Awsome argument there Vladislav.

>>34647641
Man, you're great at LARPing a russkie

>>34647641
1. I am not the guy you were responding too.
2. Lurk more.
3. We got people like you coming in not knowing a thing, acting like you own the place.
4. You are acting like a shitposter or the typical troll begging for (You)s.
5. It is not our fault that you dont know the place and post like someone who just wants to fuck up.
6. Thats not our fault, you got that?

>>34647607
>have a vacation right now, but I guess you dont know what that is in the 3rd world.
Funny that we have more paid vacations in Russia than in Sw*den (LOL)
>>34647628
Yeah the animal like you would never be a part of russian masterrace

>>34647692
>1.pak fa
>2.Chengdu J-20
>3.su 35
>4.rafale
>5.f-22
>6.mig 35

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>>34647707

>>34647707
I have had 6 weeks payed this year, so far. How many do you have in Russia?

>>34647677
ok i am russian sorry
im gona leave now and not come back
i hope you have a good life because i dont

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>>34647718
Stay mad

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>>34647707
>masterrace
Eh, if master race entails africa level of AIDS from rampant homosex, twice the murder rate of USA, lower standard of living than poortugal and speaking an guttural squealing of a language, keep it.
Russians are subhuman, niggers of wrong colour, like the wise Japanese sensei said.

>>34647746
And don't drink too much Vodka tonight.

>>34647769
Dont forget that the economy is smaller than italys and based on oil.

>>34647766
>No S-ducts
Nice "stealth"

>>34647766
>y-ou mad!
russian/10

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>>34647549
So you make 300 000 rubles a month in moscow, huh? An average teacher makes what, a tenth of that? And you can't even string a fucking sentence together in english?

>>34647766

>Oh look, 20% of all PAK-FAs

Impressive

>>34647794
>GDP measures economy size
>>34647769
yeah at least im not american
my foreskin is safe and i'm not 50% subsaharan african

>>34647818
oh look america will soon have 20% of chinas economy

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>>34647794
And africa levels of corruption.

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>>34646874

We don't know the actual capabilities of most these aircraft

That said

F-35 numba wan, pakfa numba four

>>34647818
>1/9 is 20%
>western math
daily reminder that we are superior when it comes to calculating.

>>34647825
But you are 100% russian and that's just as bad. At least negroes don't burn up in the sun.

>>34647829
Im not american so fuck do I care. At least their Marine Corps will still have more stealth fighters then your entire nations.

>>34647838
Oh, you have made som more now. Cool, that makes it what 11% instead of 20.

>>34647836
fucking ugly piece of turd
the golden age of american aviation is over
PAK FA is superior

>>34647838
>9
Didnt one burned down? Also if you take the miscalculation of one person as a scale for all others of his group, i got some bad news for you about math.

>>34647851
>But you are 100% russian and that's just as bad
It's not
Russians are intillegent individualist people superior to westerners (aka negro communist hivemind) in pretty much everything.

>>34647838
>we are superior
>cant even use uppercase
Ironic.

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>>34647857
The only thing the PAK-FA is good at is scamming poo-in-loos.
That is why it looks good from a distance but look like a baked shit up close.

>>34647875
>Russians are intillegent individualist people superior to westerners (aka negro communist hivemind) in pretty much everything.
I didnt know if the post was made honest or ironic, but it made me laugh non the less, because it is so absurdly contradicting to reality.

>>34647875
Russians are bleached negroes, violent, crass, stupid and full of we wuz smart 'n sheeeit.
The russian africa levels of AIDS, murder, corruption and human rights abuse really prove this fact.

>>34647875
>Russians
>Not communists

Are you literally handicapped? They were the ones who forced that bullshit on half the world. Hell, the Russian Communist Party is still the 2nd largest after United Russian

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Damn how can one plane be so much better than any other counterpart in existence?

>>34647921
>Picture not related.
You forgot something.

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It looks like sharp blade cutting throught the air
perfect plane

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>>34647921
Make way for superior RCS, missiles, radar, data link, emission stealth and build quality.
Russian turd BTFO.

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This is what our ancestors dreamed about
A real ability to fly not american shitboxes stuffed with """"""newest"""""" tech that are more dangerous to pilot rather than enemy

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>>34647933
Looks like the pancake that I dropped on the floor the other day senpai

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Who cares about inferior past century swedish shit built by somali refugees when there's such deadly beauty flying around

>>34647956
>those rust stains
>those gaps
I've bought IKEA furniture better built.

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>>34646874

not sure if vatnik or frog

>>34647956
Your ancestors dreamed about a free and prosperous country, all they got now are empty praises like yours, to keep the peasnt population quite, while the country is in dire need of fixing.

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>>34647949
You forgot about the shorter landing/take-off distance, the far superior cockpit, and the fact that its way easier and faster to rearm/refuel and service.

>>34647980
>deadly deathtrap for vatnik flying around
ftfy
Will get raped by all Euro triangles, not to mention F-22s.

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>half burned
>still looks 1000 times better and 1000 times more powerful than f22
impressive

>>34647980
>Who cares about inferior past century swedish shit

That past century shit is still better than the worthless flying coffins you guys call "fighters"

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>>34648015
Are you even trying at this point Tovarich?

>>34647981
You missed the elephant in the room: the engines.
Doesnt they look off to you? Strange to have something like this on a stealth plane? Well they didnt manage to make the planed engines, so they just slapped others onto it. When will the planed engines be ready? Any second now! Like the past 7 years. If any other nation would have done this, the vatniks would have screamed about it all day how this is a failure. But it is not, it is russian, so they go in hard ignore mode, which is only broken when they go into hard defend mode.

>>34647980
>2017
>last century

your entire country is last century, bud. most of it is even the century before that one

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Why are russians even trying?
The PAK-FA project is like watching a monkey trying to use tools, they see the superior humans do it, go through the motions but fail miserably.
At least monkeys don't brag on the internet about their massive failure.

>>34648004
>implying inferior western AA can reach SU50 while thousands of newest F35 would drop like flies in case of full scale invasion crushing stealth myth with no survivors

>>34648015
This is what a krokodil fueled post payed in a 1/20 cabbage looks like.

>Specifications of mass produced American aircraft are dubious.
>Russian and Chinese technology demonstrators with """interim""" hardware, including engines, are obviously the greatest war machines of this CURRENT YEAR.

How now, Wu Mao.

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>>34647607
>4500 swedish krona
>not even $700 Canadian
>Svenn is talking shit after Ishmaldonalds laid him off

>>34646889
They're ranked by whichever one he's paid the most to shill

>>34648049
he probably means usd

4500 krona is less than welfare

>>34648037
>that ugly ass IRST
Just fuck my stealth up fampai
Not only does it remove any notion of stealth, it makes it look like the PAK-FAil has a pus filled pimple on its nose.

>>34648049
I make roughly $4500, not 4500 SEK.

>>34648064
This, nobody makes that little in Sweden, even after taxes if they work full hours.

>>34646874
I know this a troll thread but the PAK-FA isn't even out of prototype stage

>>34648041
>western AA can reach SU50
True, can't reach something with SAM if it never flies or just burn up on the runway :^)

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>>34648076
>>34648037
Remember it's still a prototype like X35 and it's already 1000 times better than precisious F35

>>34648041
>Shills a Russian stealth-jet
>Thinks stealth is a myth

This just keeps getting better.

>>34648092
And? it took more than 13 years for F35 with all these budgets and corruption to go from prototype to mass production preparation stage

>>34648041
>western AA
Reminder that russia has nothing even close to the capability of the SM-3 and SM-6.

>>34648124
the f35 actually works though

>>34648119
shape stealth is a meme yes
jamming stealth is not
SU50 is vastly superior to any western plane when it comes to jamming

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>>34648106
X-35 was not a prototype.
The F-35 prototypes looks like this and they are orders of magnitude better than the cardboard clad Su-27 in your picture.

>>34648138
>SU50 is vastly superior to any western plane when it comes to jamming

Most likely no. But we will never know since everyones EW capabilites is classified and all companies claim theirs is the best.

>>34648155
>X-35 was not a prototype.
>The X-35 was declared winner over the competing Boeing X-32 and a developed, armed version went on to enter production in the early 21st century as the F-35 Lightning II.
It really was

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>>34648138
>russia
>jamming
Nice meme, can't even jam of the shelf commercial drones in Ukraine.

>>34648124
however, it did enter production

you point being?

>>34648175
It was not, a tech demonstration is not a prototype.
The F-35 with all the flags was the first prototype.

>>34648180
>Russian
those are ukrainian R-330UM

>>34648199
>a prototype used for show is not a prototype
gotcha burgerpai

>>34648243
You should at least understand English before posting on /k/

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>>34648229
>vatnik blaming Ukraine when russian inferiority strikes
Pic in post >>34647051 very VERY related.

>>34648229
Hmm, I guess some drunken slav on a Israeli submarinebuilding forum is a better source than the OSSE.

>>34648301
*OSCE

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why can't russians build decent planes?

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>White boys thinking they can compete with the African Air Force

World domination in 2020

>>34648336
Us lost 10000 aircraft in vietnam do you really think they can take russian adn
And most of these where flown by sandniggers in monkey models so i doesnt count

Can somebody post that infographic that shows the rafale is much better than f-35

>>34648347
Africa isnt a country tho...

>>34648364
#1 Cite your source
#2 Most likely helicopters and not fighters.

>>34648364
>muh sandniggers
>muh monkey models

You built these aircraft to be as easy to operate as possible, and you trained their air forces and officers. And they still lost everywere.

>>34648364
>most advanced russian ADN
>inflicting anything else than superficial losses on contemporary US bombers while your capital is flattened
Nice meme.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=60ihI7VU2OY

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>>34648364
You're right russian pilots are actually worse
And I'm sure Iraq and Serbia can really comment on how useful russian air defense is since the west went through it easily

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>russia in charge of not being worse than sandniggers at air war
Operation Rimon 20 would like a word with you.

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>>34648439
>>34648427
>russia outnumbered the kikes
>still got ogre rekt
RUSSIANS BTFO, VATNIKS ETERNALLY #REKT
why are russia so fucking bad at war?

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>>34646889

What if it's just flatness?

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>>34648347

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>>34646874

>>34647870
Eh, statistics is more storytelling anyway.

>>34648439
>>34648469
Israel lost many phantoms to Ruskie Manpads in that war.

>>34648427
>Iraq
I thought their air defense network was French made

>>34648665
>notice how i dont post numbers or sources

>>34647549
>I make $4300 a month

So you are quite literally bragging about making the equivalent of around $51500 a year?

>>34649545
shhhhh, he's an upperclass citizen by Russian standards. Just patronize him so his shitty country doesn't collapse and spill a bunch of unskilled laborers into the west.

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>>34646874
>>34647766
>>34647893
>>34647921
>>34647933
>>34647956
>>34647980
>>34648015
>>34648106
>pak fa
>higher than J-20
AHAHAHAHAHAH you vatniks are delusional to think that a shitty 4.75gen paid by Indianbucks can surpass the mighty J-20. J-20s will shoot down dozens of FGFA above the the skies of Tibet, IF the russians can actually produce even dozens of FGFAs, and seeing their puny progress, thats a big if.

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>>34649573
>Russia's final revenge against the capitalist pig dogs was not a eall of nuclear fire or raping their women
>It also did not occur until after the collapse of the Federation.
>Their revenge came in the form of millions of retarded, debilitatingly drunk off-white niggers squatting across the borders with economic ruin and genetic fuckery in tow.

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>>34650392

>>34646912
This statement tells you everything you need to know about this thread.

>>34649545
So a half decent engineers pay is close to nobility in russia?
Is russia such a country of poorfags.

I love it how all these threads always turn into at shitshow where everyone tries to prove that their country is better than anyone else's.

>>34646874
You can make lists all you want OP, truth is that modern aircrafts are all overpriced pieces of shit. Each unit costs so much to buy and maintain that most nations will NEVER risk them in combat.
And he cherry on top is, even the most perfect plane can be shot down by a dumbass militia armed with a shitty strela and lots of luck. 30 years from now, everyone will use either drones or old planes with good AGMs on it.

Wow! My bait thread is still alive after i went to sleep and woke up
Thanks guys i only make so much (you)s in /his/ religion bait threads
See ya :)

>>34651863
Shit, Engineers in my field (Electrical) mostly start out at $65K to $85K

>>34647356
Fuck you and your normie memes.

>>34647130
I love these threads because the genuine posters don't bother with actual replies and it ends up being a battle of blatant shitposting with obvious lies by shills on both sides,like this SAAB shill chinkshit OP

Gripen is a cheap useless toy outdone by most modern 4.5th gen fighters only good for air forces that don't face any real threat

Le bump

>>34652724
Fanboying Gripen is the most fun, it triggers mart sharters because someone managed to develop a potent fighter for the price they would spend on developing a new camouflage pattern, it triggers vatniks because Swedish homofags make better fighters than them, it triggers frog because it sells better than their plane and it triggers the myriad of Yuros involved in the EF project because Gripen could do ground attack from day one and can fire AShMs unike the yurofighter.
Then after the autistic screeching has died down and you ask exactly why the Gripen is bad, at best they they to blame a light single engine fighter for not having the same range and payload as a heavy two engine fighter.

>>34652924

Though, if the Gripen E loses the Indian single engine fighter program to the F-16V, it'll be pretty hilarious.

>>34653654
I feel like India is a bribe competition, and the swedes seem to be pretty bad at bribing. Frogs or LM wins.

>pak fa
Only need this one to know this is shit

>>34646874
nice squatting. so sad when vatnik tech meets reality

>>34646889
>What are you even ranking them on?

OP I ranking them on his butthurt at US and NATO air superiority which is massive

>>34653654
It already has,LM and their domestic partner have already announced the JV of making Blk70s in India, They wouldn't have done that if they didn't have an assurance from the Indian government
>>34654338
Swedes are the pros at lobbying with bribes in India,see the bofors Artillery scam, they literally roped in the Indian Prime Minister

>>34654706
Exactly, they do one deal in India and the prime minister and his party gets the axe.

I didnt say they didnt bribe, i said they were bad at it.

>>34654706
>LM and their domestic partner have already announced the JV of making Blk70s in India

Hasnt Saab done something similar too?

And Isnt Trump shitting all over the place when they move production out of the US?

>>34653654
Now, the F-16 is probably the most successful single engine fighter ever made and is backed by the strongest political force in the world.
Even if Gripen is technically more suitable, the political advantages and image boost of the F-16 could make it a better choice.

>>34654736
SAAB did offer India a Gripen production line , but they haven't inked the deal with anyone.

Lockheed has already signed the Joint Venture to produce F-16s with Tata

>>34654736
The question is which manufacturer of fighters does NOT pay bribes?

>>34654786
Don't kill me if I'm wrong but isn't the deal that Tata will do the manufacturing IF the F-16 is chosen?
Or have they decided to move all F-16 manufacturing to India in any case?
Would really Trump allow the most iconic of American fighters to be outsourced to India after his America First policy?

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>>34648336
>f16 76:1
against ancient shitplanes

https://youtu.be/ZthdDd1Qj6A

>>34654950
Like the one in your video?

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>>34654950
>against ancient shitplanes

compared to the f16, yes

>>34654950
>Pakistani plane
>Sourced from Chinese rip-off of an Israeli plane

Dude, im Chinese and even I wouldn't fly that shit on a good day.

>>34654822
The deal is Tata will do the manufacturing along with Lockheed if the F-16 is chosen , you're correct on that.

But generally private partners don't ink deals until they've got confirmation from their respective governments.

The fact that Lockheed and Tata have already inked the deal for an F-16 assembly line in India is indicative of Lockheed having confirmation from the Indian government about choosing the F-16.

This is also the reason you haven't noticed any more pushes from SAAB regarding the single engine fighter deal in India ever since Lockheed signed the JV with Tata.

Before this both sides were duking it out,by releasing statements.Ever since Lockheed inked the deal there has been no statement from SAAB at all.

>>34654822
Also Trump doesn't mind because the F-16 production line was all set to shut down in a few years time , and also there is no loss of jobs as the original F-16 production line was going to be turned into a production line for the F-35

>>34655099
Lockheed does run a serious risk of anti trump media drumming up a storm over what could with some imagination be pictured as thousands of American jobs being shipped over seas.
The fact that those jobs could ever only exist in India due to how the deal is written tend to be forgotten whe muh jerbs is on the line and media has a grudge.
Still most likely gonna be the F-16, no one can offer return investment like the US can, particularly not Sweden.

>>34651943
woah you're the biggest retard here, congrats!

>>34647356
Jeez it's still fuckin summer... gets longer every year

>>34654981
implying you can fly, ping pong

>>34655082
>Lockheed and Tata
Wouldn't that really drive a stick up HALs ass?
They are currently the biggest/only producer of aircraft in India and suddenly Tata signed the rights to produce the most advanced fighter India would have.
Potentially the Tata deal could be a drawback, HAL has far more political pull than Tata and if HAL should sponsor a competitor it would seriously hamstring the F-16.

>>34646874
>Rafale
"no". I didn't know the french paid Vatniks to shill them for them too now.

>>34647356
>Tumblr memes
>>>/oven/

>>34647619
Shut your whore mouth the STRV 103 is amazing.

La bump :^)