Why didn't we heed Ike's warning about the Military

because you conspiratards from pol are wrong. no one wants to hear about your about your made up bullshit you get from Alex Jones and the daily stormer. there is no MUH MILITARY INDUSTRY COMPLEX there is no MUH JEWISH NWO there is no MUH PLANNED PARENTHOOD BABY FARM fucking get a life already

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what he/she said>>34638331

>>34638282
But their obviously is a military industrial complex it's a multibillion dollar pay out to defense contractors.

>>34638370
>their
opinion discarded

>>34638331
>because you conspiratards from pol are wrong. no one wants to hear about your about your made up bullshit you get from Alex Jones and the daily stormer. there is no MUH MILITARY INDUSTRY COMPLEX there is no MUH JEWISH NWO there is no MUH PLANNED PARENTHOOD BABY FARM fucking get a life already
What the hell are you talking about? I have never even once browsed /pol/ and i don't believe in the Jewish NWO, or almost any the shit you put in my mouth. The Military Industrial Complex exists. Ike himself a president and a World War 2 general admits it exists. It's not even remotely a conspiracy.

>>34638400
and you expect us to believe you polshit? if you believe in one conspiracy you believe in them all and that makes you a fucking idiot

>>34638418
>and you expect us to believe you polshit? if you believe in one conspiracy you believe in them all and that makes you a fucking idiot
Did you even read what i said? Ike literally in his farewell address warns about it's dangers. It's not a conspiracy some loons in the internet made up.

>>34638443
he was a republican. just as bad as any basement Nazi

>>34638282
Because /k/ loves the military industrial complex

>>34638331
>no one wants to hear about your about your
Looks like the Mil-IDF AI is glitching again...

>>34638282
Ike wasn't talking about 'ebil corporations wanting to keep us in wars,' the Military Industrial Complex speech is referring to fact we've never tried keeping such a large military and so everyone needs to be diligent and make sure it does go wrong.

>>34638462
>he was a republican. just as bad as any basement Nazi
Oh fuck off you insufferable cunt. Go fuck a Cactus if you actually believe what just came out of your mouth. Ike was killing Nazis before your dad decided to squirt you inside your mother womb.

>>34638501
go be a triggered polshit somewhere else
>>>pol

Because the "military industrial complex" doesn't actually exist, and everyone who worked with Ike ended up thinking he's a commie?

>>34638501
Good for him, he's a filthy commie piece of shit, and he really started the leftist decline of the USA

>>34638400
>Implying everything he warned us about didn't happen anyways and we have no power to change it now.

>>34638519
you gonna post proof?

>>34638282
Same reason the war on drugs will never fully end, jobs. Are you gonna employ everyone with your feels and kambucha?
Fuck outta here

>>34638508
go be a faggot elsewhere
>>>meatspin.fr

>>34638282
back to /his/ faggot.

>>34638542
He never fired a single one of the communists identified by McCarthy

>>34638635
well shit I stand corrected

>>34638635
>identified

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>>34638635

>>34638593
>Same reason the war on drugs will never fully end, jobs. Are you gonna employ everyone with your feels and kambucha?
So that''s why we decided to let the Military Industrial Complex run free? Because Curtis needed his Benjamins?

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>the MIC isn't real
How is this a conspiracy? Everyone that made it to freshman year of college understands it.

>underage fags
Ah, right.

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>>34638698
Because use it or lose it

>>34638282
Not that I'm American but I feel like some people here do not know what a "Military Industrial Complex" is and/or have a different understanding of it.
Perhaps it would be good if you could define it before answering OP's question. It seems to me people are talking about different things but still screaming at each other.

>>34638750
>Because use it or lose it
I chose the latter.

>>34638635
you can't be real.

>>34638764
>Perhaps it would be good if you could define it before answering OP's question
>The military–industrial–congressional complex (MICC), adding the U.S. Congress to form a three-sided relationship termed an iron triangle. These relationships include political contributions, political approval for military spending, lobbying to support bureaucracies, and oversight of the industry; or more broadly to include the entire network of contracts and flows of money and resources among individuals as well as corporations and institutions of the defense contractors, private military contractors, The Pentagon, the Congress and executive branch.

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>>34638282

>>34639039
Meanwhile the welfare industry is many times the size of military and every leftist talking about "MIC complex" ignores it

It also wastes far more money

>>34638635
He thought McCarthy was a demagogue

>>34638331
Today I learned: Eisenhower was a conspiratard from pol who listened to Alex Jones

>>34639055
>Meanwhile the welfare industry is many times the size of military

Literally a lie

MIC
>creates and retains trained workforce
>creates new technologies that trickle down to other industries
>defence contracts give a lot of money to Universities
>military dominance creates peace, see Pax Britannia, Pax Romana

>>34638683
>>34638697
>>34638741
>>34638808
>>34639061
Soviet documents declassified in the 90s revealed that McCarthy was right.

>>34639041
FAKE
jews love children they would never do something like that trust me I would know
this is some neckbeard larper playing pretend everything he said is a lie

>>34638282
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.GD.ZS?locations=US
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-us-military-spends-its-billions-2015-8

It doesn't seem to be effective enough to worry about.

>>34639082
It isn't, the money spent on medicare/social security/welfare/etc is far more than the money spent on the military.

>>34638808
>>34638741
>>34638697
>>34638683
>>34638667
Is there an issue?

Eisenhower was a massive proponent of the communist engineered "Civil rights" movement
He cared nothing for the suffering of white Americans, anything the Communists criticized must be attacked.

>>34638282
because it does a damn good job of helping us kill shit

>>34639082
Are you kidding? Just government education spending itself is like 5 times the size of the military.

>>34639083
>Pax Brittania
>Pax Romana

And on this episode on Where are they Now

>>34639089
Yes, but McCarthy's list was a load.

>>34638282
>Military Industrial Complex?
Military Industrial University Complex

stop giving the research arm a pass

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>>34638282
Why didn't we heed Nixon's warning about (((them)))?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ1cdfEC-8k

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>>34638282
We tried, Ike, but they were just too powerful

>>34639144
No, it wasn't. And declassified Soviet documents proved him right. Every single person on his list did in fact have associations with the Communist or Socialist party members. Despite what your public school teachers told you about McCarthy and Salem, McCarthy was right.

>>34639181
okay guy

>>34639041
>all current national governments are run by people whose only goal in life is to bang kids and they are along with the CIA are involved in a secret war with the NSA and their augmented super agents

wew lad

>>34639181
being a card carrying communist back then was like having a face tattoo now
edgy faglords in any generation

>>34639169
God I would suck a niggers dick to have Nixon back

>>34639181
redpill me on Salem. were there really witches?

>>34639055
First thing: whataboutism. Apparently one bad thing is okay if another bad thing exists that your political opponent likes.

Second, you're assuming you're arguing with liberals, which is likely wrong.

Third, there's a bit of a difference between welfare and defense, and there isn't a 'welfare industrial complex'. The same perverse incentives and graft aren't present in the case of welfare.

>>34639120
Adults are talking. Go away

>>34639278
>there isn't a welfare industry complex
MY FUCKING ASS THAT'S HOW KING NIGGER GOT ELECTED IN 2012

>>34639278
>there isn't a 'welfare industrial complex'.
holy crap talk about turning a blind eye
just like there's an immigration industry
and a prison industry
there's a welfare industry

or is your point that we haven't weaponized the poor yet?

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>>34638331

Oh look, it's actually one (((them))).

Damn, /pol/ is right as usual.

>>34639319
>we haven't weaponized the poor yet
>what is occupy wallstreet
>what is black lives matter
>what is antifa

>>34639221
And Eisenhower saw fit to keep edgy faglords with face tattoos employed in the federal government. Genius.

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>>34638331
Aren't you supposed to be watching T.V.? You better get back to it or I'm calling the thought police on you

>>34638282
Severely underrated president and an actual good guy who wanted what was best for the country, not just himself.

The warning in the speech isn't just warning about MIC. Listen again. It was also a warning about massive intervention and regularizing the use of WMDs.

The French asked us to nuke Vietnam for them. He said no to that because it would have set a nasty precedent where anyone with nukes could glass any third world shithole that started leaning the wrong way.

>>34638331
fuck you, asshole. THE STREETCAR CONSPIRACY IS REAL!

>>34639229
Well there certainly could have been people who considered themselves witches. Just because the devil doesn't exist, doesn't mean there weren't people who considered themselves in communion with him. Just like how god doesn't exist, but there are certainly people who think otherwise.

But that's all irrelevant. The equivalence between McCarthy's drawing attention to communist subversion in America and Salem is pure propaganda. We know for a fact that the KGB dedicated an extraordinary amount of resources towards subversion in America. It happened, it's an indisputable fact. Anybody who tries to tell you otherwise has an agenda.

>>34639128
>Public education is welfare

herewegoagain.jpg

>>34639351
JFK was absolutely apart of the plot

>>34639376
>god and the devil don't exist
and you have the audacity to pretend to know what you're talking about

>>34639356
>and an actual good guy who wanted what was best for the country,

Meanwhile he sent the troops in when Whites wanted their own schools or businesses
The ethnic cleansing of major US cities started with Ike, the turning all government institutions into incompetent AA employee filled messes started with him.

>>34639441
how in the fuck is that even remotely a possibility

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When did this board get infested with retarded communists from reddit and leftypol?

>>34639376
Or you're just schizophrenic, like old Joe himself.

>We know for a fact that the KGB dedicated an extraordinary amount of resources
And they were woefully incompetent. Have you ever read about the mitrokhin archive? The Russian's focus on ideological purity crippled their counter-intelligence and subversive capabilities. Of course there were spies, but the simple existence of spies doesn't mean that playing darts with a list of names taped to the board is a fair method of determining who is a secret communist. I know it's the in-thing for alt-righters, kekistanis, and stormcucks to meme about how "McCarthy was right" but there's a reason he's relegated to the dustbin of history as a cantankerous and paranoid buffoon. When you ignore serious, honest historians and base your personal knowledge on stormfag infographics, you're not gonna see the past clearly.

BTW, care to explain how someone like Colonel Jimmy Stewart was actually a secret commie?

>>34639457
Jim Crowe was a constitutional abomination. Whine more, Cletus.

>be your grandparents
>be 1960
Choose your path:
1. Ignore commies and build America
2. Remove commies and fuck America
>fucking hate commies

>>34639436
Public education is a massive gibs program.... Designed to produce brainwashed good goyim

Teachers are all in public sector unions
Mostly women
Giant liberals

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>>34639441
No, JFK said this.... Then, POW!

No doubt he knew about what was going on but he must have flipped the script at this point and went full Hitler.

>>34639480
>not believing in devils means I'm schizophrenic
Take a look in the mirror you nut.

>>34639497
BTW he said that seven days before he was killed. If you don't believe me ask Ted Gunderson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1pNyFDT7Y

>>34639480
Where do you leftist red.ditors come from, and why haven't you killed yourself.

>>34639041
I'd like to think modern society has reached this level of autistic insanity, but I highly doubt it.

>>34639376
You miss the point, this isn't about Russian subversion, this is about the fact that the US was riddled with communists

Still is today.

>>34639497
JFK's father was a gangster piece of shit who made all sorts of promises to get JFK and RFK into politics. But once JFK and RFK got into power they both decided to go rouge and do the right thing for America instead. For that, both were murdered.

>>34639534
The Soviets made a specific point of riddling American academia with Communists. That's a cancer which has since metastasized and taken on a life of it's own. The fruits of Soviet subversion have outlasted the Soviets themselves.

>>34639547
>it's the communist conspiracies fault people don't agree with me

Sure thing Jethro

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>>34639514
>everyone i don't like a commie
>everyone i don't like is a ledditor

>>34639534
Ok, but...how is that significant? Sure, there are communists. There's probably more capitalists, though. Are the communists going to collective your ass(ets)?

I've got a lot of squirrels in my yard, but I'm not worried that they're going to refinance my house and put me in debt, which is a non-sequitur basically as absurd as your continued cries about "muh reds!"

>>34639547
American academia was filled with communists before the USSR even existed
You cannot in any way blame the USSR for home grown communists

It's this dumb idea to blame the soviets for "subversion", when its literally jewish cultural marxists doing shit in the USA.

>>34639553
>the KGB never existed because I agree with it
Sure thing Ivan.

>>34639562
The soviets gave those jewish cultural marxists material support.

>>34639588
So did every US president for the last 100 years

>>34639181
having had tea with art school socialist doesn't make them an elite spy. im sure you have liberals and bohemians in your family.

witch hunts are fucking idiotic, because they make people hate you, they can be used as propaganda against you, not to mention being ineffective at actually rooting out spys.

witch hunting is literally the worst thing to do if you suspect you have been infiltrated,

>>34639603
That just means that Soviet infiltration has been going on for a long, long while.

>>34638282
because in principle the Military Industrial complex is a war economy.

>>34639609
It wasn't a witchhunt at all

>>34639547
This

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gnpCqsXE8g

>>34639620
i see what you did there kemosabe ;3

>>34639535
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Gunderson

>Theodore L. Gunderson (November 7, 1928 – July 31, 2011) was an American Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent In Charge and head of the Los Angeles FBI. According to his son, he worked the case of Marilyn Monroe and the John F. Kennedy cases.

It wasn't the Soviets that turned the Republicans into a buncha cucks dedicated to importing more Democrat voters

It wasn't the Soviets who made Western governments decide the ethnic replacement of their native peoples was the way to go

>>34639603
That's the point. Ike was a communist piece of shit. His failure to act on McCarthy's warnings prove it.

>>34639609
>>having had tea with art school socialist doesn't make them an elite spy.
It DOES make you unfit for government work. Who would associate with communists, if not a communist sympathizer?

And who would Soviets recruit as spies, if not communist sympathizers?

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>>34638593
Woah nigga, slow down... don't talk shit about Kambucha. That shit is delicious.

literally every president makes unpopular decisions, its very hard to tell what unintended consequences they will be held responsible for in medias res. jfk is almost never singled out for closing mental health facilities. the world is more complicated than it appears however you dont need to go full blown conspiritard, when plain old incompetence, can be held accountable reasonably.

that said i find its people who haven't managed a large group of people, or even a small group of people who believe in conspiracies. as they dont know how petty jealousies, and human nature make it very hard for groups to have good opsec.

>>34639623
Best post in the thread.

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>>34639480
McCarthy was right you stupid fuck. Venona project proved him right. Keep fucking crying about /pol/ and muh stormfags you fucking Marxist cretin. Western Academia has been infested with Marxist fucks like you. Desegregation harmed niggers more than anyone else. If you looked at the segregation period, black homicide rates were much lower and black families stayed married.

Fuck off back to leftypol.

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>>34639785
Tee bee aytch if the communists really had that much power, it'd be worth it, because people like you wouldn't exist any more.

>>34639701
people they can black mail. black mail is far better leverage over someone who is 'inside' an org. as if they are 'exposed' they lose all power.

if you recruit dumb kids who make bad decisions they continue to be dumb kids who make bad decision and are therefore not an asset.

this is why vatniks push against diversity/degeneracy so hard as a homogeneous organization is much easier to black mail its member for behaving 'differently.'

>>34639135
Would you rather fade away earlier, or fade away in the future?

>>34639785
This is the best post in this thread other than my Ted Gunderson/JFK posts.

People are still booty-blasted about Communism? Have I suddenly gone back in time 30 years?

>>34639883
dont worry the old fol/k/s are almost in bed. they have real american jobs to do in the morning. real jobs that can be easily replaced by robots

>>34638462
And at this point the troll tips his hand and reveals himself

>>34639609
>bohemians

what's wrong with being Czech?

Also, a horrible politics post in /k/. If this was about gun control I'd let it slide, but this? Come on.

>>34639471
>When did this board get infested with retarded communists from reddit and leftypol?

after the mods gagged political talk as hard as possible during the last two years of Obama which only really affected right wing opinions.

nobody has ever gotten told to go to /pol/ for saying leftist shit.

>>34639921
this thread should probably be on /his/ but i find /k/ to be one of the smartest boards over all.

>>34639930
i've been hear since 2008 and if it makes you feel better i've gone from democrat to centrist libertarian.

>>34639821
Ideologies they can blackmail make better spies than patriots they can blackmail. The problem with having enemy sympathizers in your government is SELF EVIDENT.

>>34638331
>there is no MUH MILITARY INDUSTRY COMPLEX there is no MUH JEWISH NWO there is no MUH PLANNED PARENTHOOD BABY FARM
You know, there are some nuts on /pol/, and there are some crazy conspiracies out there. The thing is, other than the Jewish NWO thing you didn't mention any of them. Instead you mocked a couple serious problems affecting the US and even the rest of the world.

Back to >>/b/

>>34639785
>If you looked at the segregation period, black homicide rates were much lower and black families stayed married.
Maybe then you shouldn't have invented the war on drugs.

BTW, you don't really belong on this board, since you're likely noguns, and even if you happen to own a gun, the fact that you're willing to stomach blatantly unconstitutional nonsense just to spite groups you dislike means you're willing to weaken 2a. The government is never controlled by you 100% of the time, the powers you approve of for your own allies will pass to your enemies after a cycle or two. Notice how the same people who didn't mind Obama using executive orders to carry out his agenda when it wouldn't fly in the legislature (also ignoring the APA), howled when a republican was in the white house promising to do the same thing. Their own weapons were being used against them, and there was nothing they could do, because the precedent was already there.

No fly, no buy wouldn't have hurt just gun ownership, had it passed, but also the rest of the bill of rights. If government lawyers can argue that an unaccountable deep state bureaucracy or even a fucking typo can keep an innocent person from buying a gun (or even knowing he's on a list until he sues the government) then the bill of rights means nothing. If 2a is that flimsy, so is 1, 4, 5, 6, hell all of them.

When you defend jim crowe, you're rejecting the BoR wholesale, which means you're selling us gun owners out, just because you hate niggers so much. You can stew in your racism all you want but don't try to fuck the rest of us over because you hate them so much. Kill yourself before you kill us, because it's clear you don't respect the system that we have that is meant to protect our rights. You'd destroy the village, (supposedly) to save it.

>>34639950
sympathizers can be useful they understand the weakness of the opposing ideology. and strip what is useful from it, allow you to conquer them,

remember that mogul general that figured out if you tax the people you conquer instead of exterminating them? you would be wise to remember it, that is the whole reason they were so successful and able to conquer from china to the balkins.

>>34639930
I have told people to go to /pol/ for posting left wing opinions.

I must not have been on the same time you were.

>>34639961
>muh crack
Drug use and drug arrests are both on the decline, but black families continue to deteriorate.

In fact, even if mass incarceration for non-violent drug offenses were put to an end, America would still lead the world in incarceration thanks to the excessive amount of violent crime in America: https://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/releasing-drug-offenders-wont-end-mass-incarceration/

Of course then you'd be telling us to stop imprisoning people for murder. And black families would still be in decline.

>>34639984
Traitors in your ranks are useful to the enemy. Of course from YOUR perspective, communists in the American government is a good thing because you're a communist sympathizer.

>>34639930
I miss moot. /pol/ used to be so smart before japanesemoot let it elect Trump.

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>>34639899
what will replace you, anon?

>>34640031
I think, marx, stalin, lenon, trosky, gorbechev, and the rest were tragic fools. victims of the era, but i am not even a socalist sorry. cher ami.

>>34640047
maybe we are just two bots talking to each other right now?

>>34639899
glad no robot will replace construction / carpentry or any other worthwhile trade

>>34640060
>I think, marx, stalin, lenon, trosky, gorbechev, and the rest were tragic fools.
Sadly nobody has tried your particular form of communism! No doubt it would work where the others all failed.

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>>34639988

yeah that's nice, i bet you're representative of how the whole board acts.

the problem with the whole ">>>/pol/" retort is that it galvanizes both sides in any given argument. A guy who's just trying to make a point is going to feel offended and censored and people who might have retorted rationally and constructively will feel played and demoralized if they're lead to believe they're just dealing with bait posts 24/7, so they'll start doing the >>>/pol/ shit themselves and the other side will feel absolutely no fucking incentive not to escalate and be as antagonistic as possible.

the worst goddamn mistake ever made was banning politics on /k/ explicitly. There's nothing /k/ related that isn't political one way or another.

>>34640083
not a socialist, i believe capitalism is the least worst option available to us at this time. it will probably be replaced by social-facism similar to the structure of the Chinese gov't.

>>34639436
Go to Detroit or any inner city. They buy supplies like books by the thousands and dump them to create a paper trail to say they spent funding while hiding millions. They are understaffed, but many teachers are on the payroll and don't do anything to stop gangs or petty crimes.

>>34640094
I agree with this people should be discussing shit openly so radical opinions get btfo on both sides. I dont remember all this pol shit back a few years, what i remember is the outrage at proposed anti gun legislation and people raging when mods would delete threads discussing anti 2a shit.

>>34640112
>I'm not a communist or anything, but communism is going to replace capitalism
Spoken like a true subversive.

>>34640140
you are certainly persistent. that is a very wise thing to be :). communism is dead though. now that china is open to the out side world they are being copied by russia, and many less 'free' nation states. understandably so. their clever use of technology, soft power, social media, social bot nets, and other mass communication are rather revolutionary.

>Spoken like a true subversive.
I only have interest in subverting those who stand in the way of a more free world.

>>34640175
>communism is dead, we've re-branded and upgraded our methods. Stop worrying so much :)

>>34640175
do you even own any guns? what the fuck are you guys even on about? jesus christ.......

>>34640212
i own an ar, and a smith. sorry no pics 4 u. hush now. this is just getting interesting.

>>34639899
its bedtime.
gotta be fresh for in the morning.
workin' killing rats at the robot repair shop.

>>34640230
>>34640230
lol until next time.

>>34639229
It was either a land grab led by a few guys who convinced some girls who wanted to get back at authorities (nowadays it's called empowerment after opression or some shit) or people got high on moldy rye bread and were having a laugh that resulted in Giles Corey being crowned an absolute madman for being the smartest 80 year-old in Salem.

>>34640226
an ar and a smith, what models?

>>34640248
mega, and m&p9

>>34640241
>Giles Corey being crowned an absolute madman for being the smartest 80 year-old in Salem.
>smartest
More like flattest.

>>34640112

just because conventional labor will suffer a crisis due to automatization doesn't mean it will lead to an end to individual wealth and free trade by means of a common currency.

capitalism will never leave us because it's the most logical option to allocating resources.

>>34640260
He did not call out and by doing so, protected his family and his children's inheritance.

He can be smart and flat simultaneously!

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>>34639807
Neither would you. As Yuri would say, you're a "useful idiot."

>>34639961
>war on drugs

America was harsher on drugs back in the 50s. Fuck niggers. They cause a massively disproportionate amount of crime. The founding fathers intended this country to be white, hence non-whites wouldn't even be allowed to vote or have any constitutional rights. Jim Crow is too weak. Every nigger should be shipped back to Africa and all the Beans kicked off back to Mehico.

This shit is politics. Where are the mods?

>>34640262
shhhhh. on the first bit i was just razing the guy.

>capitalism will never leave us because it's the most logical option to allocating resources.

i wish but if the market is captured and understood well enough. it will go to who ever has the first system of capable of understanding, and controlling it.

hence capital follows the invisible hand but if the hand points at the wrong spot too long, and the wrong person finds that spot, and they are capable of martialling the immense computational power required to predict with some certainty what will happen next, they will be able to through rent seeking, and other means capture literal ultimate power if they so choose.

anyone who is interested in self determination should try there best to find said conspiracies and expose them.

>>34640325
>Jim Crow is too weak. Every nigger should be shipped back to Africa

Why even import them in the first place...? What about southern euros, irish, and slavs? White enough? French are catholic as well, so make sure they're rounded up as well. Protestants only, no papal lizards on my clay!

>>34640094
All i wanted when i made this thread, is to talk about the Military Industrial Complex and Ike's warnings about it. Some fuckwad then went full buzzword no jutsu on me. Don't try to shut me down by accusing me of being part of whatever group you don't like. I'm not going to entertain that nonsense.

>>34640356
sorry but i felt like talking about how soft power is the new warfare, and while not directly /k/ i seem to have gotten away with it.

>>34640356
It doesn't exist you stupid fucker. Of course you were going to get shitposting, same as if you talked about what sort of preparations /k/ was making against invasion from Neptune men.

>>34640445
what doesn't exist military industrial complex?

>>34640414
but in the end isn't that relavent to ike warnings after all? the military industrial complex is selling rifles to civilians and arabs, while they get old and fat.

all the while soft power rules the world.

>>34640458
Yes.>>34639098

>>34640445
>same as if you talked about what sort of preparations /k/ was making against invasion from Neptune men.
False equivalence. The Military Industrial Complex has been acknowledged to exist by U.S presidents, Generals, and businessmen. It's not a conspiracy made up out of pure boredom by 4channers.

>>34640496
wasnt korea and vietnam mainly due to the "military industrial complex" ? like the whole basis behind invading vietnam was bullshit?

>>34640521
keeping troops well trained on war in some 3rd world shit hole isnt bull shit. and it is useful maybe even necessary in this day and age. remember Isreal goes to war every ten years. I have a sneaking suspicion they do it to keep their boys on their toes.

>>34640517
And yet it's singularly unable to actually have America shift more of its GDP towards arms procurement, which has been on a donwards trend since the late 60s. It's why nobody can demonstrate a clear causal relationship between this supposedly omnipotent MIC and policy shifts, which can be done for much more innocuous lobbies, like agricultural ones.

But no, someone important said it, that means it MUST be true.

>>34640521
Are you retarded? Like, seriously, does someone dress you? You do realize there are a hell of a lot more options than the two you're presenting, right?

>>34640345

what the fuck are you even talking about

people need to trade goods and services, a system of tokens and credits is how it's done the best.

a free market where people can offer and demand goods and services they want enables not only the most thorough, satisfactory distribution, but also a tangible source for information to direct production, development and enterprise.

>>34640542
so it was money related then

>>34640577
>so it was money related then
Prove it. Not speculation, actually show some evidence that it was money related as opposed to politically motivated.

>>34640571
I meant exactly what I wrote. be more specific what you need clarified.

>people need to trade goods and services, a system of tokens and credits is how it's done the best.
for now.
>
a free market where people can offer and demand goods and services they want enables not only the most thorough, satisfactory distribution, but also a tangible source for information to direct production, development and enterprise.
I am imagining a market where you have the illusion of choice. however a singular interest, or group of interests capable in mathematics, finance, and public policy are able through real means to control enough shares of the right industries that they are able to remain in power indefinitely.

>>34640596
I was asking

>>34640542
>And yet it's singularly unable to actually have America shift more of its GDP towards arms procurement, which has been on a donwards trend since the late 60s. It's why nobody can demonstrate a clear causal relationship between this supposedly omnipotent MIC and policy shifts
That's because U.S. defense contractors bewailed what they called declining government weapons spending at the end of the Cold War.[ They saw escalation of tensions, such as with Russia over Ukraine, as new opportunities for increased weapons sales, and have pushed the political system, both directly and through industry lobby groups such as the National Defense Industrial Association, to spend more on military hardware. Pentagon contractor-funded American think tanks such as the Lexington Institute and the Atlantic Council have also demanded increased spending in view of the perceived Russian threat. Independent Western observers such as William Hartung, director of the Arms & Security Project at the Center for International Policy, noted that “Russian saber-rattling has additional benefits for weapons makers because it has become a standard part of the argument for higher Pentagon spending. The Military Industrial Complex is a real thing.

>>34640604
Yes, and in doing so, you were asking the wrong question, because your assumption that

>Well, if the reasons stated weren't 100% honest, IT MUST HAVE BEEN ABOUT DA MONEYS!
is fucking stupid.

It's also stupid, because armament companies tend to make the most money when people are preparing for war, not actually during war, when governments interfere much more in the economy, and pressure companies to hire more people and pay them lots of money to work longer hours (which cuts into profits, even if sales are up). It's stupid because the U.S. consistently has been showing a downward trend in real, GDP adjusted armaments spending. Cross index American Vietnam deployment with armaments spending as fraction of GDP; you'll find no relationship. It starts going up again in 1982. Who the fuck was America fighting then? And why isn't the enormous buildup in East Germany enough of a playground for those greedy arms manufacturers? Surely they don't need to instigate an actual war in some jungle shithole to play up the threat of the Soviets reaching for the Rhine.

>>34640679
so what is going on, whats the real scheme i should be aware of

>>34638282
jews?

>>34640619
Then why do the numbers consistently show the opposite trend? 2010 had the highest (4.6%) share of military budget in recent memory, and that's half of what it was getting the year after Ike left office. It has since gone down from 2010.

Not to mention that arms spending is not even the largest share of the military budget, so again, it's actually shrinking more and more as a percentage of the money Washington can play with. This is why you name drop instead of posting actual figures, because it's smoke and mirrors that dimwits like yourself buy into because it either makes the world seem scarier or paradoxically more secure.

>>34640710
There is no scheme. There's just stupid governments trying to maximize their security but often being very bad at it, working with information that might or might not be accurate, and trying to ass cover when things inevitably go wrong.

>>34640601
>I am imagining a market where you have the illusion of choice. however a singular interest, or group of interests capable in mathematics, finance, and public policy are able through real means to control enough shares of the right industries that they are able to remain in power indefinitely.

so think tanks and a sprawl of technocracy that escapes human understanding or practical application and will inevitably fail to encompass society's dynamism at large due to existing outside of their order of decision-making.

centralized planning will never work.

>>34640521
Vietnam had little to do with the "MIC", and much to do with effete leftist leadership. Kennedy spent most of his time high on a cocktail of drugs (The medical records reveal that Kennedy variously took codeine, Demerol and methadone for pain; Ritalin, a stimulant; meprobamate and librium for anxiety; barbiturates for sleep; thyroid hormone; and injections of a blood derivative, gamma globulin, a medicine that combats infections.)

A good deal of his remaining time was spent chasing women.

Regardless, Vietnam was the result of the French pulling out of their former colony of Indochina; and the Soviets and Chinese trying to force a coup.

US politicians, in my humble opinion rightly, felt that unchecked Sino-Soviet influence in SE Asia would cause a rapid spread, the end result being the creation of a communist superstate, mere miles from Japan; so called "Domino Theory".

A lot of people still get heated talking about this issue, but remember, the theory came to be a central theme of American foreign policy as far back as 1946 when the Soviet Union began propagating small revolutions throughout Central and Eastern Europe. When Chiang’s regime in China in 1949, policymakers in the US didn't really care, until the Soviets made Asia an issue, as a single united power from the Pacific to East Germany was a HUGE DEAL. Soviet involvement was the genesis Korea and then Laos and Vietnam. Ultimately the focus turned to Central America and the Middle East somewhat as well, in the 1980s.

>>34640727
was 911 an inside job

>>34638501

How could you fall for such obvious bait

This whole thread is agit-prop

>>34640728
on some level centralized planning works.

a family may have one member who specializes in finance.

a business may have its financial arm run by its cfo. if they are responsive the are capable of understanding the dynamic relation ship between themselves and their market.

if someone is capable of leveraging a position with a good enough data science they are capable of running the show.

the day may come that centralized planning is not the woefully inept beast of the marxists, and communists.

it will be brought by software conglomerates, magnates, and anyone capable of the means and the method.

I am not saying it is possible, I do not know. but I fear the day that we do not have self determination but the illusion of self determination.

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>>34638282
>>34638282

The military industrial complex goes back to the 1800s

DuPont made money off of Pretty much everty war up until WW2, and its subsitiary companies sold gunpowder to the americans and vehicles of war to the germans.

GM (a subsidiary of DuPont) encouraged union defeating fascist militias known as "black legion" to bomb, torture, and light on fire those who wanted worker rights

DuPont had a monopoly on all sales to the US for gun powder. In a War-Profiteering court case, someone stated that

>“the munitions people of the world had made the treaty a satisfactory one to themselves,...Colonel Simons [of Du Pont] is reporting that even the State Department realized, in effect, who controlled the Nation.”

>The Legion’s cells within GM factories intimidated workers, targeted Jews and recruited for the KKK. They worked together to stop Reds and unions that demanded their labour rights.


>In response, Chairman Nye, a Republican from North Dakota, pointing out that du Pont had made six times as many millions of dollars during WWI than during the preceding four years “so naturally Mr. du Pont sees red when he sees these profits attacked by international peace.”

>>34640717
>Then why do the numbers consistently show the opposite trend? 2010 had the highest (4.6%) share of military budget in recent memory, and that's half of what it was getting the year after Ike left office. It has since gone down from 2010.
>Not to mention that arms spending is not even the largest share of the military budget, so again, it's actually shrinking more and more as a percentage of the money Washington can play with. This is why you name drop instead of posting actual figures, because it's smoke and mirrors that dimwits like yourself buy into because it either makes the world seem scarier or paradoxically more secure.
Total world spending on military expenses in 2009 was $1.531 trillion U.S. dollars. 46.5% of this total, roughly $712 billion U.S. dollars, was spent by the United States. The privatization of the production and invention of military technology also leads to a complicated relationship with significant research and development of many technologies. The military budget of the United States for the 2009 fiscal year was $515.4 billion. Adding emergency discretionary spending and supplemental spending, brings the sum to $651.2 billion. This does not include many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget. Overall the United States government is spending about $1 trillion annually on defense-related purposes.

>>34638331

>multi billion dollar industry
>guys no one is interested in keeping the money flowing

>>34640806
>Completely missing the point.
>A-fucking-gain.
I tried. I really did try. Do you simply not understand the difference between absolute magnitudes and percentages? Do you not understand that actually very little of defense spending goes to procurement and R&D, far less than things like good old fashioned salaries, operational budgets, or training of personnel, and thus don't wind up in the MIC's pockets?

>>34639625
>According to his son

Retard makes retarded claim. News at 11.

>>34638331
All I learned from the past few months is that if the CIA had actually killed Kennedy, then Trump wouldn't have lasted a week.

>>34640738

Some have argued that US political leadership, whether inside the Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson or Nixon administrations may have been disingenuous in espousing the theory with regard to Vietnam; but I'd argue that there is ample documentation to suggest that a domino effect was a reality, and even an eventuality. Critics might argue that the Domino Theory did not prove true in Indochina. Laos and Cambodia may have become communist dictatorships with Vietnam, but Thailand, India, Malaysia, Indonesia, Philippines and Burma did not. While this is true, it's hard to argue what the effect the US influence had on the region, but we do know proof positive that the Pathet Lao, Khmer Rouge and the elements involved in the Cambodian–Vietnamese War that followed, got their start, set up networks and received training in the Vietnam war... and the whole Sino-Soviet split only materialized over squabbling of who's realm of influence SE Asia would fall under.

Furthermore, for a more modern idealogical analogy; look to the current issues in the Middle East.
Domino Theory was abandoned, and now ISIS/ISIL and other Islamic Terrorist groups, as well as violent insurgencies in Africa, have further lent credence to Domino Theory.

The whole point of Domino Theory was *not* to prevent war. A basic tenant of Global Communism was and still remains the exportation of violence. Domino theory was trying to counter that basic Communist tenant and trying to counter Chinese and Soviet meddling in sovereign countries before conflict spread to World War level.

>>34640941
Of course it was a reality - look at the effect Cuba had on Latin America and the DPRK in Asia and elsewhere.

The only reason it didn't take off was because the US rigorously opposed communist uprisings wherever it found them. That, and the Sino-Soviet split.

>>34639337
Antifa are middle class white kids. The noisiest BLM fags tend to be middle class too.

>>34640941

In Malaysia from 1948 - 1960 the Malayan Communist Party conducted a guerrilla war until defeated by British Commonwealth troops. In Indonesia, the Communist Party of Indonesia (PKI) were crushed after an attempted coup in 1965. These issues informed the concept of the Domino Theory at the time and you could argue that the theory was not solely an American one.

Furthermore, focusing again on Latin America and Africa: Cuba, underwent violent revolution in 1959. Not 3 years later, 1962, the USSR is trying to build missile silos on Cuban soil. Additionally, the Cuban regime is funding, training, and arming left-wing guerrilla groups all across Latin America. Castro sent 35,000 Cuban troops to fight in the Angolan Civil War, and almost 20,000 troops to fight in the Ethiopian Civil War in the mid-1970s. This kind of activity certainly didn't reassure US Cold War warriors that Communism could be peacefully contained.

Even the little darling of the left, Che, went and spent considerable time visiting on a three-month tour of 14 mostly Bandung Pact countries (Morocco, Sudan, Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Burma, Thailand, Indonesia, Japan, Yugoslavia, Greece) and after the Bay of Pigs and Missile Crisis, spent time in Algiers setting up a Communist guerrilla insurgency, in Congo-Kinshasa and finally met his end, doing the same in Bolivia, where he was captured by CIA-assisted Bolivian forces and summarily executed.

>>34641057
So in conclusion, the Military Industrial Complex had little to nothing to do with Vietnam and US's political doctrine throughout the 70s-80s.

It was effete, ineffectual Leftist Liberals who wanted to play Superman in World Politics; screaming "SOMBUDDEH DO SUUUUUMTHING!" the same as today, and much like today when the actual costs of playing Nosy Nancy are "returned to sender", rain on the limp-wristed, intellectual circle-jerk parade that is the the morass of the modern DNC.

>>34640094
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>>34640873
>very little of defense spending goes to procurement and R&D, far less than things like good old fashioned salaries, operational budgets, or training of personnel, and thus don't wind up in the MIC's pockets?
Cite your sources for your claims.

>>34641140
Learn to follow a thread before saying stupid shit.
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-us-military-spends-its-billions-2015-8

>>34641057
>Cuban regime is funding, training, and arming left-wing guerrilla groups all across Latin America.

It is worth placing this on context with the fact that Latin America existed as near-protectorates of the US/west for produce, textiles, et al. (")Marxist(") leftist groups exerted pressure to nationalize private industry to cut out (big) business.

I think it is worth remembering that nationalist juntas were funded/backed by the US from lobbying pressure from agriculture/etc.

20th century Latin American conflict can be characterized as economics becoming politicized.

>>34641215
the way that war, economics, and politics weave together that is the worlds oldest profession.

>>34641174
>http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-us-military-spends-its-billions-2015-8
That source doesn't include the many military-related items that are outside of the Defense Department budget. Which is where many the Military Industrial Complex produces the majority of it's profits.

>>34638370
The whole point of the speech was to avoid a state of perpetual war as a way to payout arms manufacturers and shipyards which were and are large employers. Despite the never ending "Global War on Terror", that's not what we have today, which is more accurately described as part gouging and part political instability so programs are prematurely cancelled and economies of scale are never enacted.

If you want outrage, be angry at the leadership failure here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Leonard_scandal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7R9kH_HOUXM

>>34639721
you wanna sell that gat?

>>34640921
CIA killed kennedy because he was starting to print debt free money and was going to do away with the federal reserve

notice how all of the presidents that were assassinated or had attempts on them tried to get the US government to print its own money instead of a private bank doing it

>>34639169
Jesus Christ

>join the Marines
>die for Israel

There are people stupid enough to fall for this

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>>34643302
>join any branch of the armed forces
>pick literally anything other than combat troops (i.e. about 90% of the force in question)
>spend four years building HVAC, ferrying supplies or organizing load plans for aircraft
>spend little money and save all your salary (i.e. eat at the canteen)
>get out and get mad bennies for college
>go to college for the thing you did in the military, just at a more advanced level
>use all the saved money to buy land / use as 20% for a loan to buy even bigger land
>work the job you did in the army part-time during college to pay off the loan
>after college get a good job in the same field due to mad practical experience
>save, use what you saved as 20% to get another loan, build your own house
>own property, own house, debt free, good job
>by age 30
Think more, meme less

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>>34638331

>>34638331
I wonder (((who's))) behind this post

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>>34638331
This
Anyone complaining about US military might is a Kremlin kike trying to weaken us. Fuck off hippy faggots.

>>34640348
Do the Irish, slave, southern Euros, and Catholics commit disproportionate amount of crime, use disproportionate amount of social services, and generally fail despite being given every opportunity available?

>>34638282

Because he himself created DARPA.

>>34640260
He wasn't executed by the state. It was an extrajudicial killing and thus his land and property were still his family's rather than sold at auction or given to the state. He was gonna get killed no matter what, he just got to spit in their face and make them bury him properly afterwards.

>>34640743
Same way Pearl Harbor was. Someone sat on their hands and did nothing while waiting for someone to hit them.