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So everyone likes to ask the question "How could have Germany/Japan

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So everyone likes to ask the question "How could have Germany/Japan win WW2?" To the point where it's become a meme.

But a question I have yet to see be asked (and one I think is far more interesting/even in terms of odds) is "How could have the Central Powers Have won WW1?"

Also I suppose this can serves as the WW1/Interwar/1900-1936 warfare thread.
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>>34614037
Not building a useless fleet (the german high seas fleet was extremely costly and entirely pointless)

Properly preparing and mobilizing the army (ammunition stocks, manpower utilization... plus the kuk army should have been supported and trained by the germans all along)

Not getting the US involved (no sub warfare, utilize german americans for propaganda purposes, publically offer peace when american involvement seems possible)

Of course, point 1 would possibly avert the war altogether, while 2 was a problem for all powers in some way.
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>>34614037
Not start it.

With America on the allied side the germans had no chance at all because a superpower that you can't touch across the atlantic will always steamroll you.

That's also without including how massive american industry was and the sheer size of the american army and air force which turned germany into ash.
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>>34614138
>reading comprehension
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>>34614365
USA won both world wars. This is a fact. Without the USA Germany would have won both times.

Which are you, A fleeing Frenchman surrender monkey with no honor or a stuck up Brit who can't admit the USA is on top now and that you are our client state?
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>>34614631
>Summerfags, this is bait
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Not pulling retarded shit like chimping out on Belgium. Served no purpose and gave the British a huge propaganda victory. Try to keep the Italians out of the war to free up more of the K.u.K units for other fronts. Don't waste huge amounts of resources with zeppelin raids and other bullshit. Or alternatively don't start a war you can't win
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>>34614037
in 1914 the germans broke through the belgian and french lines and had divisions 100km from paris. if the germans had better forward basing for the breakthrough they could have rerouted reserves into northeastern france along the seine. surround and seize the french capital as happened in '40
hindsight is 20/20 though
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>>34614037
>"How could have the Central Powers Have won WW1?"
Pump money into Japs to help them with 1905 war, then support the revolution in Russia. Now there is a buffer balt states and Poland, you concentrate all your effords on one side.
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>>34614850
>then support the revolution in Russia

To be fair they did just that in 1917 by shipping Lenin there.
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>>34614037
it would require austria Hungary to not be morons, and there is no timeline where that doesnt happen.
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>>34614037
Don't invade throught Belgium, thus bringing the UK into the war.

Don't send the Zimmerman telegram, thus bringing the USA into the war.
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The Germans were in a better position than the allies throughout the war. The Fokker scourge killed the RAF for years in uneven combat.

Had they fallen back earlier in the war and consolidated their line on the obverse side of a Belgian river, they would have bled the allies dry.
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>>34614631
Fuck off fag itd well known that India won both world wars and we will win the 3rd too, fuck you
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>>34614647
In terms of WWII, it's not. At least the first part anyways. I don't know enough about WWI to speculate. However, the Soviets relied almost entirely on lend-lease to keep their army moving. US involvement kept multiple German army groups off the Eastern Front, because the Germans and free French had no capability to do a cross channel invasion. US involvement also pulled a significant portion of the Luftwaffe off the Eastern Front in order to combat bombing raids fielding primarily American made aircraft. Had Soviets faced the full might of the German military, there is no way they could have survived.
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>>34614037
Entreat Italy early on.
Replace Franz Conrad Von FuckingRetard with an actual competent commander, have this be a basis of German support.
For love of god update Austro-Hungaries armory prior to start of conflict.
Not slaughter Albanians wholesale and actually focus on the fucking war


>lets attack the Carpathians in the dead of winter.... multiple times.... with less competency than the Italian military in WWII
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>>34614094

The US would have joined the war regardless of what the Central Powers had done. The Entente owed American banks absurd amounts of money, so the US government intervened to protect the property interests of their financial elite.
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>>34614037
I think a more interesting question would be 'What if the Roman Legions were equiped with Type 94s pistols? Would they be more effective? Would they even bother with it?
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>>34614631

>USA wont WW2
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>>34614037
find hitler as a teen and then have him contact the time traveling hitler with the spear of destiny
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>>34614037
Most of what I know about WW1 has been gleaned from watching The Great War, so I don't consider myself an expert, but:

1) Fuck up Belgium as little as possible when moving through it
2) Don't kill Edith Cavell, or any other nurses for that matter
3) Don't launch direct attacks on British civilian targets
4) Coerce Italy into joining the war at the start of it, for a two-pronged attack on France
5) Fire Hotzendorf and put literally anyone else in charge of the Austro-Hungarian army
6) If possible, send about 1/3rd of the High Seas fleet north around Britain and use all those warships for commerce raiding in conjunction with U-boats to choke off British supply lines. Guerilla warfare of the high seas, da?
7) Invest in tank development as early as possible, because tanks > trenches
8) Give officers much more command authority in the field, and focus on improving quick communications on the front line
9) Attempt to reestablish public lines of communication with the US and, if possible, cut entente communication lines and attack radio transmission stations. Keep the US public aware of the war situation, rather than letting the entente propaganda machine work its magic
10) Don't recall the zeppelin carrying supplies to Africa, those could've helped out Lettow-Vorbeck a lot, tying down even more entente troops in Africa.
11) Don't use gas until a large-scale attack like Verdun, so that France doesn't have a chance to issue gas masks and training

I'm sure there are plenty of other small or large changes that could be made in this alternate timeline, but pretty much everything hinges on being able to tell the future.
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>>34614850
>japs
>central powers

japs were allied with the brits.

Also the Germans LITERALY funded the revolution and lenin to weaken Russia.
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both world wars were wars of production. america and russia win. duh.
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>>34619798
>4) Coerce Italy into joining the war at the start of it, for a two-pronged attack on France
Italy had just fought and won its independence from Austo-Hungary a few decades earlier, with a lot of help from France, as well as some from Britain.

Pushing them into a war against the country that helped free them, allied with the country they fought against could've easily backfired and ensured they simply entered the war on the Entente side a year earlier.
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>>34619880
Fair point. Perhaps they could've been convinced to stay out of the war for its duration in some way?
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>>34619896
Perhaps the promise of taking over French/British colonies in North Africa.

Italy was pretty jelly of the Great Powers' colonies, they were too late to the party, so they were scrambling for scraps.
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>>34614037
Honestly thought that pic was one of those edits of Ian.
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>>34614037

>How could have the Central Powers Have won WW1?

Impossible, the strategy on both sides of the war were still set on ancient doctrines that used attrition over actual tactics.

When the first tanks rolled over the trenches the German lines started to collapse because no-one understood how to deal with mobile armor. Aircraft/Zeppelins also took both sides by surprise due to the mindset that flying machines were impossible tools for war.

When trench guns were first used the response was to declare them illegal because German leaders could not come up with any way to counter such weapons when they reached the trenches.

The entire mindset is the reason they lost, you would have to re-educate every von noble in the art of war to change the eventual course of history.

The British would have the same issues when the second world war started with things like outdated Churchill tanks and pic related. This TOG II was built because British generals thought the fight for Europe would be just like WW1, they were wrong on so many levels.
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>>34619943
It is.

Ian is merely the current reincarnation of a long line of tulkus, beginning with the first Tibetan tulku who smuggled the secrets of the firearm out of the Chinese Empire, so that it could be embraced by Europe.
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>>34619932
Italians at that point already had Libya from the Ottomans. They joined the Entente in hopes of gaining the Austrian Littoral, Trieste and other parts of Italia Irredentia. The fact that they don't get these places after WW1 is a major reason they join the Axis. The whole Mutailated victory thing. Its really ridiculous the French and the British didn't hold up their end of the bargain considering how little the rest of the Entente really had to spend propping up Italy. It was really only immediately after Capporetto did the Italians need help and it was mostly Material needs. Yet the entente was perfectly happy propping up places like Romania and then giving them the territory they wanted.
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>>34619975

Pop culture historians are fucking cancer.
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Kaiserreich anyone? Big factors like keeping America neutral and grabbing Paris were entirely plausible.
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>>34616928
What do you mean? Also, the Germans got really far into Russia. They should've attacked Moscow instead of Leninigrad. Throughout the struggle that is the Eastern Front, the U.S. lend-lease to Russia out the ass. Russia came close to falling they didn't do it on their own
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>>34622785
Lend-lease was of negligible benefit and the USSR would've been perfectly capable of carrying on the conflict without Moscow.
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>>34622814
ya na.
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>>34614037

Fucking tell Austria-Hungary not to fucking start the war in the first place, knowing they're fucking idiots like all of Prussia/Germany knew.
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>>34622984
>tell Austria-Hungary not to fucking start the war in the first place
Yeah, good luck preventing a war when Hotzendorf still exists. Enver Pasha, too - a perfect pair of warmongering idiots.
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>>34615993
This
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>>34615993
>>34623117
The Zimmerman telegram would've been fine if it was properly encrypted. Edith Cavell's execution and the sinking of the Lusitania (among other American lives lost on ocean vessels) were also big factors in getting America involved.
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>>34620009
Yes my Latin friend fight my wars for me. We will totally give you the clay you want afterwards.
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