Hey, 9mmfags. Why is 9mm almost never used for hunting? I'll

>>34601317
Not an argument. 9mm is a pussy round, and you can't prove otherwise.

9mm is for children, nu-males and girls. 9mm does jackshit for a roided giganigger who is berserk. If you cannot shoot 10mm reliably, you should not be owning a gun. Period.

I know this is a troll thread but historically speaking 9mm has killed more people than any other pistol round to date

>>34601463
>that extra millimeter totally makes a difference, Anon
> lies your girlfriend tells you

9mm is pistol round. Nobody uses pistol rounds for hunting, except for pistol rounds that are functionally rifle rounds. This is like asking why nobody uses .38 Special for hunting.

>>34601477
>I know this is a troll thread but historically speaking 9mm has killed more people than any other pistol round to date
Citation needed.
>>34601501
>Nobody uses pistol rounds for hunting, except for pistol rounds that are functionally rifle rounds
Except for 357 mag, 10 mm auto, 41 mag, and 44 mag, and hot 45 Colt, or do you consider those rifle rounds?
>>34601501
>that extra millimeter totally makes a difference, Anon
It gives you 27% more impact area. Not to mention the 10mm is faster for a given sectional density.

>>34601477
And contemporarily speaking that doesnt mean much of anything. Sort of like including kills for euthanasia or butchering with a .22 in a tally for it's effectiveness against big game.

Being adequate for an execution or killing somebody eventually isn't the matter in question.

Not true. I hunt squirrels with a Sig MPX.

>>34601541

>27%

60%

[pi(.450/2)^2] / [pi(.355/2)^2] = 1.607

>>34601541
>Except for 357 mag, 10 mm auto, 41 mag, and 44 mag, and hot 45 Colt, or do you consider those rifle rounds?
like I said, *functional* rifle rounds; rounds that are as/more powerful than rifle rounds.

>'It gives you 27% more impact area. Not to mention the 10mm is faster for a given sectional density.'
>more lies your girlfriend tells you

If I wanted to, I could just magdump into a deer, but that wouldn't be very ethical would it?

>>34601463
I don't know, using 10mm for self defense sounds cruel. Just one shot would sever their limbs and send them flying 50 feet while every cell in their body vaporizes. I would have a hard time explaining that to a judge.

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>>34601541
There is no citation. It's been used by almost everyone since Pre WWI, and still sees widespread use today in the Middle East especially, but also with military, LEO, and contractors. There isn't going to be any quantitative data on 9mm deaths from EVERY combined conflict since WWI, but there is no other pistol round that has seen anywhere near the usage. Anyone who believes in the LEL only 9mm meme is either reallllly fucking new to shooting, a fudd, or no guns straight up

>>34601614
hey, if there's no body, is there a crime?

>>34601582
You're tarded AF. velocity and energy on those rounds is lower than full power rifle rounds and some are lower than intermediates too. They're in between handgun and intermediate rifle rounds in performance.

Facklerfags will say that any energy below 2000 doesnt add to lethality at all but that after that point it suddenly does. Other people think that you can see changes beginning around 1600fps.

>>34601645
yeah but all those are still rounds that are orders of magnitude more powerful than 9mm, arguably obscenely so, to the level that they could be rifle rounds

>People still think there is a notable difference between conventional handgun calibers

FBI already conducted a study on this like 20 years ago and found out there isn't jack shit worth of a difference between the common carry calibers.

>>34601705
That kinda seems like an ass backwards way of looking at things.

You claimed that no handgun round is used for hunting when clearly magnum handgun rounds are. Those are handgun rounds. Hell, .357 and 10mm are even fairly handle able ones with a bit of practice. Trying to call them "effectively rifle" rounds to try and get around being wrong isn't fooling anybody.

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>>34601731
lmao look at this faggot stating facts
I bet you carry a glock 19 pussy

>>34601731
lol yea that one study the FBI did with ball ammo totally settled things for all time because they flawlessly figured out every part of the problem and ran experiments for every variable 10000x over just like they did with bullet metallurgy testing, hair type analysis, bite mark analysis, and lie detectors

>>34601748
dawg all I'm saying is that clearly these rounds you're listing, if any of them are real, are massively more powerful than a 9mm

like, look at the math for this '357' : 357 / 9 = 39.66...

.357 is almost 40x more powerful than 9mm, of course it's going to be popular for hunting

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>>34601767
>The FBI study wasn't absolutely perfect in every way so that means it's worthless, but somehow my opinions on the subject aren't.

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>he doesn't carry a sawed off

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>>34601787
>shooting ball ammo at some homogenous gel blocks this one time and asking doctors to tell at a glance whether the round used was .45 or 9mm based on the damage proves that theres no difference between any handgun calibers

>you know this is right because a study was done this one time where they specifically only allowed idealistic shots with no bone encountered into there data and look the data was pretty similar to gel shots

>>34601572
I was comparing 9mm to 10mm, not to 45, but your math is right for 45. Also, you can make the math easier by just taking the ratio of the diameters and squaring it. No need to fool around with pi as long as you understand how the proportions of a circle related to one another.

>>34601582
>like I said, *functional* rifle rounds; rounds that are as/more powerful than rifle rounds.
Well, they're not. None of those can hold a candle to a 270.
>>34601598
You don't have to magdump if you use a serious cartridge.
>>34601626
>It's been used by a lot of people, so it must be good
Nice bandwagon fallacy.
>>34601645
>Facklerfags will say that any energy below 2000
Below 2000 what? Joules?
>>34601731
No they didn't. You didn't actually read the methodology of the study. You're just parroting something you read on the internet.

>>34601832
whoops long day, velocity below 2000fps.

>>34601824
Given your gross misrepresentation of the study I am going to give it to you to actually read along with everyone else in the thread

http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf

>Buy 9mm JHP
>Get the power of .45 JSP with twice the capacity and half the recoil
What now faggot?

>>34601463
I never really cared for caliber wars, I own 9mm and .45 and shoot both and enjoy both, but I finally had experience with 10mm and have to say it is the one true meme round.

It is stupidly loud and stupidly hard to be accurate with. Exactly why the FBI dumped it like a bag of hard shit. Some guy was using it at the range the other day and his paper target looked like he was shooting buckshot from 80 yards.

Worthless cartridge.

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>>34601832

> >>34601582 (You)
> like I said, *functional* rifle rounds; rounds that are as/more powerful than rifle rounds.
> Well, they're not. None of those can hold a candle to a 270.

>>34601851
Shit article that judging by my speed reading(like the fourth time ive seen this recently stop spamming plz) doesn't even specifically address the topic of whether there's any difference between different handgun calibers performance.

Literally pages on pages of rehashing what various leaders in the field have said(namely Dr. roberts) some correctly and some misquoted(ex when talking bleed out times).

>>34601845
I'm not sure I understand you. You're saying that, according to Facklerfags, velocity makes no difference until you get past 2000 fps? So they're saying that going from 1000 fps to 2000 fps makes no difference, but going from 2000 to 2500 does?
>>34601851
Here's what your link says:
>Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the bigger bullet.
So much for 9mm.
>>34601864
>I own 9mm and .45 and shoot both and enjoy both
Because you shoot them at targets that don't shoot back. You have the luxury of shooting whatever you damn well please.
>>34601864
>It is stupidly loud
Learn to wear hearing protection.
>stupidly hard to be accurate with
Maybe you just suck at shooting. If you put the sights on target and press the trigger smoothly to the rear, you're going to hit the target with any cartridge. That's all there is to it.
>>34601869
Not an argument.

>>34601731
Yeah bro, by that logic we all might as well just shoot .380 ACP.

>>34601898
>Not an argument.
nigga I was never arguing, I'm drunk and shitposting

of course 9mm is a weaksauce round but it's cheap and most 9mm guns have higher-than-average magcaps, which makes it plausible for being able to sling a lot of lead if you're not super confident in your aim, and if you are, then you have more shots in which you're confident

also the Glock meme because glorious 9mm Glock

>>34601938
>being able to sling a lot of lead if you're not super confident in your aim
Fella, if you're not confident in your aim, then you should not be firing ANY rounds, let alone a large magazine full of them. That's how bystanders get shot. You can't miss fast enough or often enough to win a gunfight. Shots only count if they hit.

>>34601978
not saying 'IF UR NOT GOOD AT AIM JUS SHOOT A LOT LOL'

I'm saying, if you're more confident that you can hit center mass with 3 shots than a head with 1, maybe you want the extra 3 rounds

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>>34601776

>>34602000
nice trips m8

and yeah, I know

>>34601997
Why 3 rounds center mass with 9mm with 2 or even 1 with 10mm will do? Efficiency.

>>34602035
because 9mm is also cheap and abundant, dude

I'm not saying it's better than other rounds, but there are definite reasons as to why it's s'dang popular

>>34602056
In a gunfight, not even a Jew will be worried about how much his ammo costs.
>>34602068
Not an argument.

It's great if you're only using it as a put down tool. Say you shot a deer and didn't get an immediate kill because you blew it and your ancestors hate you for being such a terrible aim. So you track it down and find it just flopping around. Cap it with your 9mm. But other than that it's pretty fucking useless for actual hunting.

>>34601306
You dont need a cartridge that deals 1000 damage to a target that only has 100 hp. Faggy rpg mechanics, but a good omparison for the retardation that is calibet wars.

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Maybe don't be a retard next time.

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>10mmbabs
Maybe if you carried a real man's round you could be taken seriously. Fucking Eurotrash M&M units. .357cucks are bad too. .44lets are alright, but don't get cocky.

>>34602114
I just use my wakizashi for that.

>>34601832
Nice evasion fallacy.

Also "Nice bandwagon fallacy" isn't a proper retort you dunce. This is called a discussion, you do know how to have those right? Or are you just going to REEEEEEE everyone that proves you wrong?

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This whole

>dude 10mm though

Is just fucking retarded, here's why:

>the only 10mm with even reasonable capacity is the glock 20

>It's too large for concealment unless you dress like a nigger

>not even reliable with hot ammo from the factory, look it up on glocktalk if you don't believe me

>90% of ammo for 10mm is just warm 40, 550 ft ilbs of energy and below. Unless you reload this will be your practice ammo, which will have a much different recoil impulse than your super duper underwood ammo

>>34601824
so knowing all this, how can you back up your previous statements? Now YOU just look like a fucking idiot lol

>>34602035
>Why 3 rounds center mass with 9mm with 2 or even 1 with 10mm will do?
Because it won't. You still have to directly hit a vital, 10mm won't get you any significant temporary cavitation. 10mm expansion is barely better than .45 AARP, and overpentration does you absolutely no good whatsoever at the very best.

>>34604083
There's the Tanfoglio Witness 10mm, but it loses one round and has all the same problems. I think someone (Rock or River something? I don't do 1911s) makes doublestack 1911s in 10mm too, and of course there's the 4k+ customs.

>>34604083
Cont.

>inb4 you reload for warmer 10mm range ammo

Enjoy your kaboom

>inb4 just carry a glock 29

Incredibly long follow up shots, and heavy recoil put you at a severe disadvantage in either a self defense situation or at training program, where you might fire upwards of 500 rounds in a matter of days. Also reliability issues abound.

Even with a glock 20, follow up shots will take longer than a 19 with hot 10mm, this will be compounded if you ever have to shoot weak handed or without a support hand (both very real possibilities).

>>34604054
Yeah, that sounds like your average 10mm user.

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>>34601306
9mm JHP +P from a Marlin Camp 9 will do a deer within 50 yards just fine, thank you very much. Quick follow-up shots, too

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>>34604133
That's kind of cool

How much did it cost? I'm assuming it's pre freedom group

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>>34601306
Seems to work for the police just fine.

>>34601306

Uh... because most hunters own shotguns and rifles...

Same reason .45 ACP and 10mm aren't commonly used for primary hunting rounds.

I once killed a deer with a .32 S&W Long.

>>34602096
But a jew would care how much his training costs

>>34601862
If you can do the job in 7, the extra 7 ain't going to help the situation

>>34601898

>because you shoot them at targets that don't shoot back

So do you, dumbass.

>>34604179
Niggers are easier than deer.

9mm is too weak. 10mm holes are 27% bigger.

>>34601317
boo hoo someone finally mentione dthe lephant in the room

>>34601541
> nobody uses 9mm
is this a new meme?

>>34601306
>>34601306

>>34605697
It killed a nearly 1 ton hog.