When it comes to the various parts of USSOCOM, it seems there's

>>34593998
>Cannot be covered by another group
Air Force STS. Have you ever seen a fucking DEVGRU weatherman? Didnt think so!

>Can cover every other group's mission
No, because STS exists and nobody can cover that.

Besides that, Delta handles DA as good as DEVGRU and has some guys from SEALs for amphibious ops.

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>>34593998
Is it true that JTF Delta guys can handle ANY MISSION?

>>34594046

A nonexistent unit can't accomplish any mission

>>34594056
Not according to the Tom Clancy novels I've read. I know he started as an insurance adjuster but the man did his research.

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>>34593998

SWCC.

SWCC is fucking useless.

One mission, insert/extract SEALs in a riverine environment.

Useless, prove me wrong

Though there are numerically more Seals than there are Rangers, I doubt Seals would be able to perform comparably to Rangers if they were required to do battalion-sized stand and fight shit.

Ok. Former Battboy here. Regiment is unique in its ability to work from the squad or platoon sized level all the way up to the Battalion or Regimental level. No other SOCOM/JSOC unit can do that. However, other conventional light infantry forces can to varied extents.

Ranger Regiment picks up a ton of CAG missions due to quality/ability on DA operations and lack of #'s on the CAG side of things.

Airfield seizure isnt inherent to any other SOCOM/JSOC force but could be picked up by a conventional airborne component (perhaps not as neatly).

Regt is also unique in the amount of firepower that we bring to a fight. Not matched by any other SOCOM/JSOC unit.

No one can pick up the 160th's job.

Everyone has been sucked in to the "cool" world of DA missions. Everyone can perform those. Hopefully we all go back to our roots soon and all stop trying to be door kickers. It isnt a solution for every problem, has watered down SOCOM as a whole and backburnered a whole host of vital skillsets that need to be reapproached and relearned at higher levels.

>>34594036
>some guys from SEALs

Delta is maritime-capable and has dedicated personnel for that.

>>34594081
because of the way they're organized SEALs are not suited to anything above platoon level operations. even their platoons are tiny and barely count as platoons in the first place

>>34594444
Special Forces are as close as you get to a Force capable of covering every other units mision sets.

They have combat diver components capable of covering SEAL type missions and maritime operations.
There are CIF teama capable of covering Direct Action/ Hostage Rescue so Ranger Regt and CAG are covered there.
They have always been able to perform LRS/SR type functions so SEAL and Ranger Regt is covered.
They have always maintained some sort of unit capable of clandestine, close target surveillance like A-Detachment in cold war Germany so a unit like RRD is covered to some extent.
They can perform to an extent in the calling in of their own air support so Air Force CCT role is covered a bit.
Their medics are top rate, a CSAR role is certainly within their scope of practice so PJ's are covered.
Special Forces probably has the best chance of "coverin down" of any unit.

>>34594081
a platoon of rangers will absolutely destroy the living shit out of a platoon of seals.

now, a platoon of rangers against a platoon of marines would be interesting to see.

>>34594582
>Army Special Forces

Jack of all trades, masters of none, glorified instructors. You cannot compare SF medics, as good as they are, to extensive training that average PJ gets.

>>34594601
Whoa. Special Forces Medics are absolutely the most extensively trained combat medical personnel in the US military. 18D's attend another 5 month medical course that is non trauma related that our medics (Ranger), PJ's and SEAL Corpsman do not get. PJ's are Rescue Specialist and their ability as technicians is not to be underestimated but they are not more highly qualified in a medical sense than 18D.

>>34594036
Not true at all.

STS are well trained and qualified, but there's a lean in other branches in focusing on organic personnel.

Army Special Forces has toyed with the 18 series JTAC concept for a while. 75th trains their own 13F for JTAC. SOAR has their own 13F JTAC.

MARSOC has their own JTACs. Which are used by NSW.

This isn't to say that a large brunt of the personnel used for JTACs isn't AFSOC right now (i.e. 17STS for 3/75, 21STS for all Bragg USASOC, etc.), but there is a trend in each SOC moving to organic personnel.

AFSOC also doesn't have the manning for everything that encompasses each field of special ops. Sure a platoon sized element of CCTs could handle a raid, but then you've gotta ask, "Why the fuck are sending a platoon of CCTs to raid when anyone from the 75th, SF/CIF, SEALs, etc. can handle that in a much more reasonable manner?"

PJ's are extremely well trained. However each branch has their own organic SOCM trained medic with then. The reality of dustoffs is that a unit has an attached dustoff crew, and if they're off somewhere else anyone from secret squirrels to joe-schmo calls in the closest MEDEVAC regardless of who they are; from NG's flight medics to PJs from 24STS.

SOWTs are well trained, but they aren't used except in extremely odd situations. Think 1 personnel slot for a whole SMU or task force that is used to help briefs for recce/sniper/etc. sections.

>>34594761
What do you think is more depressing, being a SOWT or MARSOC?

>good enough to be in the big boys room but not good enough to go on target ever

>>34594672
I stand corrected, sorry.

daily reminder a seal platoon is 2 officers and 14 enlisted men

>tfw a seal platoon is barely bigger than an ODA or a MSOT
when will NSW self-aggrandizement end

>>34594822
MARSOC, at SOWT have a goal in mind, to provide pilots with intelligence and weather data. MARSOC seems to have no clear goal in sight

>>34594866
>daily reminder that there are active duty seals that are younger than everyone in this thread who are out there doing cool guy stuff this very moment

>>34594908
I'm 25 and there is no part of me that has ever wanted to be a SEAL

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>>34594908
>mfw I will never become a SEAL

I'm almost certain hell week would break me, that shit is insane.

>>34594908
I doubt there are 10 year old seals

>>34594072
What about inserting/extracting SEALs during maritime boarding ops?

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>>34594920
Its silly really. I'd give up everything if I could have a tryout for Delta, if I knew I had physical constitution for it.
I wouldn't be a seal even if someone paid me millions and let me in without selection.

It's funnny.

>>34594926
>7 days without sleep doing PT and freezing in the shallow ocean

Doable. Imagine Delta's selection. Fucking month of land navigation while lugging bricks in your ruck, not knowing what the time standard is, not knowing whether you are slow or doing good, just pure mental rape. For hell week you at least you got other guys to cheer each other up.

>>34594761
>75th trains their own 13F for JTAC. SOAR has their own 13F JTAC
there are 11bs with a JTAC cert

>>34594986
An extremely small number.

>>34594822
SOWT by far. Go through a rigorous pipeline just to brief some lazy weather officer, then get chewed out if it rains.

Rumor is MARSOC was involved with the Kurdish combat jump earlier this year. I'd much rather be a part of an SF-clone attempt.

>>34595238
I am trying to think about how does one become a SOWT. Only thing that comes to mind is that they get fucked over by recruiters.

>hey man i want to be a baddie who rides little birds and does cool SEAL shit except I also want to be ridiculed by the already overly small JSOC community

>>34594964
It's same with SAS selection, isn't it?

>>34595367
Kind of. SAS also have a jungle segment and some kind of evasion course is lumped together with it.

Delta selection is less hectic. But Delta have their own SERE course that you have to pass in OTC, not to be mixed up with typical SOF SERE. And while they do not have the Jungle portion, Delta does their thing in fucking hills and are intentionally designed to be obtuse and to make no sense.

I don't know which is harder but people have died in SAS selection. A lot.

>>34594672
Regular medics get to go to the same medical courses that special forces medics go to. If there are slots available.

>>34595422
Im from Batt and Ive heard some dumbass stories about CAG selection and the personality profile they seek. Ive known some great senior Rangers who have completed the entire course and showed back up to Batt completely smashed and simply told thanks but no thanks. They want something specific but what that thing is I dont know and I will never know. I'd take any course out there over CAG's selection course.

>>34595780
If you somehow manage to survive the physical part of the selection, you still have to go out in front of a board of Delta senior guys. They will dig up every little piece of dirt or uncomfortable information that you dont expect or want anyone to know and they will ask you about everything. If they don't like your attitude or something about you, they reserve the right to just tell you "thanks but no thanks" and to send you back your way. Its not the best guy who gets the Delta gig, but the right guy.

And if you pass then you move to Operators Training Course which you can also fail at the end. Less common than selection failure rate obviously but still it happens.

>>34595754
What are you referring to as "regular" medics? Our medics (SOF Medics) go through SOCM. 18D's go through SOCM plus another SOCM phase that all other SOF types rarely participate in that is 5months long.

>>34594601
>a platoon of rangers will absolutely destroy the living shit out of a platoon of seals.
>now, a platoon of rangers against a platoon of marines would be interesting to see.

Maybe a marsoc platoon. But the 75th would curb stomp a regular marine infantry platoon. just in terms of native firepower alone more/any Javalians, GPMGs, more recent NVGs and so on in platoon.

>>34595780
A little off topic but can you join the 75th on a 4 year contract or is it a 6 year one like SF?

>>34595961
pretty sure marsoc doesn't even really have platoons, they deploy as MSOTs.

>>34595961
Ranger platoon will probably have higher level of intelligence and training.

>>34593998
MSRT. The only guys that can board and search vessels from countries we are not at war with without starting one

>>34595808
There is a medical portion of the medical qualification for 18D aka the goat lab. If they have slots they allow regular infantry combat medics to attend. It does little for them other than go on their 201 file as a school. It may help them should they attempt to go SF. Neither of the people that i know that attended that course went SF or did anything in the medical field after getting out.

>>34596015
6 year

>>34596132
pretty sure it's 4 year friendo

>>34596132
>>34596139
Needs if the army fellas.

>>34594072
They've never even done that outside of training.

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>>34596116
>There is a medical portion of the medical qualification for 18D aka the goat lab.

Everyone does that. The author of this book talks about it. I think Marcus Luttrell talked about it in his book too.

>If they have slots they allow regular infantry combat medics to attend.

Where did you hear this?

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>>34594601
>a platoon of rangers against a platoon of marines would be interesting to see.

>>34597259
>who says line medics can attend if there are slots?
Not OP of the statement you're quoting, but I can confirm that has happened in the past. From what I remember hearing, they were politely asked not to speak to other anons of the things they learned/did.

>>34596116

This is bullshit. Army medics do a goat lab at the end of AIT. It's not special and it's hugely useful. They do stuff like dump dye into the goats blood stream so you can see the effects of perfusion and shit like that. It's pretty damn cool if you're into how the body works.

Anyway, what separates PJs from everyone else is their training in extraction. The medical side of things is easy, for all branches, SF or not. It's getting to the patient and getting them out that's hard

>>34594036
I've kinda wondered about that. Delta accepts people from all branches. But I've never heard anyone mention seals. And it seems like Seals would just try to go to Devgru and stay in community.

Has anyone heard of a seal who went to delta? It is probably super rare to even have anyone talk about it with that specificity but even reading books about GWoT I never heard of Seals on Delta.

Though I was really surprised at how often ST6 was supplying snipers on largely delta missions, and how often STS was involved.

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>>34598415
ST6 and Delta often supplement each other. The author of this book was on a Delta team for one deployment.

>>34595299
I know a former SOWT who is currently with the US Secret Service. One of the funniest and most down-to-earth guys I've ever met. I don't think they're getting fucked by recruiters - they joined the Air Force after all. I'm sure anybody who wants to be a Ranger or SEAL joins the appropriate branches.

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None of them can cover down on barrel-roll back-flip ax-tossing

>>34594761
The question was, is there a unit that has capabilities not covered by any other unit in JSOC?

The answer is STS due to SOWT.

The question was, is there a unit that can cover all other units in JSOC?

No, there's AFAIK no SOWT-trained personnel outside of STS in JSOC, thus they cannot cover it.

Size of SOWT deployment is largely irrelevant to the question.

>>34595299
It's a POG civilian-job bait specialty, except you don't have to be ashamed of it. For Alpha nerds.

>>34595780
>Ive heard some dumbass stories about CAG selection
can you share some?

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>tfw got my 68w Opt 40 two weeks ago

wew

>>34594070
Intelligence agents actually thinks he is full of crap.

They actually call wannabe spies and shit "clancies"

At least according to the Strafor leaks which are former CIA.

>>34594601
>Jack of all trades, masters of none, glorified instructors.
Wrong.

One of their own literally created Delta Force as well as Blue Light to try and compete with them. And they are also the lion's share of the pipeline for the ISA tier 1 guys, and have been sending loads of guys into CIA since fucking SOG.

They are called special forces and have been around for decades. Green Berets are fucking massive, 7.5k numbers dude.

>>34600603
have fun being a bitch at the aid station when you get to battalion for a year and a half wrapping people ankles before anyone will trust you to be a real platoon medic

>>34601141
If that's what it takes, whatever. Being a bitch is pretty much tradition for new guys anyway right?

>>34593998
SOCOM exists and each of the group's belonging to it has interlapping missions because no one group can effectively operate without help from the others outside of their very specific mission set. Case in point would be the absolute catastrophe that was Operation Eagle Claw. That ultimately led to the creation of JSOC.

>>34601174
Yeah and thats after you do socm after rasp. I always thought the medics kinda had it shitty. As 11 series you definitely get hazed a lot more but at least youre doing your actual job right after rasp

>>34595961
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>>34596041
Marines would just stay beyond 300M and murder the fuck out of the Rangers.

>>34601229
>this is what marines actually believe

This is what happens when your entire branch is full of delusional Mexicans

>>34601229
500 meters

>>34601205
Yeah, I'm not worried too much about it though. I see it as an investment, I wannabe be a PA after the Army so SOCM should help my shit. I hope the Regiment isn't downsizing on soft skill MOS's

>>34593998
having redundancy is good

>>34598854

Naw, SEALS can

Every orgday there's always some fuck who brings out his "VIKING AX" and tries to recreate that photo.

That photo has caused the injuries of more SEALS than the enemy has.

Can someone tell the difference between the military's top tier forces (Delta, etc.) and the CIA's SAD?

>>34601229
what are Javalians?

>>34603907
Literally almost no difference, at tier 1 DELTA DEVGRU SAD, it all blend together. The dudes are literally interchangeable. Delta might have more ex green berets so they are little comfortable long term in forgien lands, SAD can do a little more egghead intel stuff. DEVGRU is more sniper heavy for some reason. Number are hard to come by but DEVGRU seems to be large and slightly less autistic on selection process. But they can all do it all.


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>>34600518
Idk man. I doubt any of it was true. Just shit that makes you laugh because it can't be true and is absolutely absurd and pointless. Im sure CAG selection cadre has better things to do than to throw rocks at students who walk around the top of a watertower. Dumb shit like that made me laugh but I never took seriously. I wasnt going to the course so it didnt matter what I was told.

>>34594908
>daily reminder that there are active ROTC/OCS
FTFY

>>34604194
>throw rocks at students
that sounds fun

>>34600518
I heard someone there you have to stand in like armpit deep water with snakes and "other stuff" in it and be quiet.

It's weird how no one really says much about what else goes on in selection. Not that people "should" but all anyone does is tell (cool) stories about the 40 mile ruck.