Is the Makarov worth a damn, /k/? Classic Firearms has them

>>34584037
Buy one at that price. I already own one and I'm still thinking about it.

>>34584037
yes. Buy it.

I've heard a few small complaints about Classic Firearms itself, but at that price its worth it

>>34584037
Bulgarian Makarovs are the best poorfag gun ever. They are dead ass reliable. I've never had one jam or fail to cycle/fire no matter what kind of shitty ammo I was using. They're extremely simple to disassemble (although replacing a barrel on one is a real pain in the ass) Bakelite dick shaped grips are sexy. It's a cheeki breeki piece of history and still decent enough to use as a CC gun. Buy that fuckin thing right now.

>>34584037
The only problems with Makarovs is that they are heavy and the sights are very short. The rest of the gun is great. Buy it.

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Gold Mak checking in. Worth the price for a fun plinker. Sure, it's a little more expensive and annoying to get ammo for them, but it's a nice little conversation piece.
Also not the worst choice for a CCW if you wanted. I keep thinking about carrying mine but I need to get another Remora holster since mine is a little big for it.

>>34584208
Would a Mak be better a better CCW choice than a lightweight snubnose revolver?

>>34584266
It really depends on your preferences. Capacity would be about the same but revolvers are slower to shoot and reload. A snub nose would probably weigh less. Makarovs are built stronk so they're pretty heavy for a compact pistol.

>>34584037
>buying anything from Sweaty Ben, thus allowing him to continue to artificially raise values of milsurp

>>34584341
Generally I agree, but 275 for vg-excellent maks is below the market right now

>>34584414
I'd buy from somewhere else on principle.

>>34584430
(Me too)

But that's a good price.

>>34584208
In my area, .380 is $3-5 more per box than 9mak

>>34584266
>about same ballistic performance as a .38 Special
>2 to 3 more rounds
>hammer cocks itself after each shot
>recoil is barely anything
>reloads are fast
>gun is flat
It has it's advantages.

Also they're fully drop-safe (not that modern revolvers aren't though).

>>34584624
>fully drop safe
Uhh.... no.
They have free floating firing pins and can discharged if dropped. It would probably have to land directly on the muzzle though.

>about the same ballistic performance as .38 special
Nope. .38 special has significantly more stopping power. They're very different rounds. 9x18 is marginally more powerful than a .380 acp.

>>34584719
>They have free floating firing pins and can discharged if dropped
Which is why nobody has made them fire in any drop test ever.

>.38 special has significantly more stopping power
Quantify it.

>>34584750
I'm not saying they're unsafe guns, they're fine, but saying that they're "entirely drop safe" is straight-up fucking false. Free floating firing pin= pin can be knocked into the primer (unless the safety is engaged).

Have you looked at a .38 special round before? It would take like 2 and a half 9x18 rounds to match the powder load in one .38 special. 9x18 out of a longer barrel than a .38 snub might give you slightly better penetration but the .38 special is clearly the more powerful round. You're arguing against just basic knowledge here and I suspect you to be a noguns talking out his ass.

>>34584853
Makarov passed California's drop test though

>>34584973
Yes it did. You'd probably have to slam the thing muzzle-down onto the pavement to get it to go off. I'm just saying it's factually incorrect to call it entirely drop safe.

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They're great, buy one.

I would love to see one someone has bought from Classic to see what the finish looks like. I haven't herd much good about good about that company but I still get their emails and read all the crap people rant about them in the forums so I haven't purchased from them yet. That being said I own about 10 guns chambered in 9X18 with 4 of them being Makarovs 3 from Bulgaria and they are some of the best built most accurate pistols ever made. They will last forever. The last one I bought was from Sportsmans Guide around last December they had them for 199 and P83s for 189. Only 9X18 pistols I like better are my CZ82s.

>>34584853
>Comparing a black powder case to a smokeless case to assess relative power differences instead of comparing muzzle energy

>>34584853
>case capacity
>what is muzzle velocity
>what is projectile weight
>what is sectional density
>what is measured penetration

Assume that we're both looking at a bog-standard .38 Special and 9x18mm, FMJ, no +P, then try again.

>>34585198
>I would love to see one someone has bought from Classic to see what the finish looks like
When they're this cheap you could plain get it cerakoted in a matte black or something if it looks rough.

>>34585528
Or you could have some damn class and get it hot salt blued.

>>34584624
This was such a nice post to read god damn it's like they actually provided and argument and didn't call anyone a sperg or a nigger. Hats off to you mate

>>34585594
Samefag

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>>34585557
Ceramic coatings hold up better, and they have a faux blue.

It's just a beater anyway, if I want a fancy blued gun I'll go scrounge up some cool single action revolver or a good condition Luger.

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>>34585605
Sad how people are bitter :(

>>34585605
Actually I was busy posting: >>34585614
While that post came up, but good on you for vocalizing how insecure you feel about your argument.

>>34585614
Cerakote is objectively superior as far as durability/rust prevention goes but I think the aesthetics of it are bad. The faux bluing cerakote doesn't look anything like real bluing to me.

>>34585620
Charge your phone, nigger.

>>34585635
I'll give you that, their faux bluing isn't actually that amazing, which is why I suggested a matte black instead.
Maybe color the frame tungsten gray (which actually looks good being matte and not too shiny) or something for a two-tone look.

>>34585642
I'm on my way home, but will do.


Nigger

>>34585656
>>34585642
Quality posts that fill up the thread cucks

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Reminder that Makarovs are stolen designs and all subsequent threads are rightful deutsch clay

>>34585706
You say "stolen design" as if any consumer gives a fuck about arms patents.

Also don't you shitpost on /asp/ and pretend your real guns are airshit? What's with that?

>>34585706
Also the Makarov is based on the Walther PP, yet you post your fucking P1, because you basically avatarfag.

>>34585706
Fuck I was hoping you had killed yourself with that abortion by now.

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>>34585724
Slavfags never learn. /arg/ has raided a few times

>>34585729
>Fritz Walther wasn't ripped off
>The P1 and PP weren't invented by the same man
calm down, anon

>>34585769
I don't care if Fritz was ripped off, I don't care if Browning was ripped off, I don't care if Kalashnikov was ripped off.

>>34585778
t. Slavaboo

Why am I not at all surprised that someone who values jewish bolshevism also has no value for private property and the theft thereof?

>>34585790
I don't own any Slavic weapons. I still wish you'd kill yourself.

>>34585790
What the fuck are you talking about you projecting pile of pigshit?
Where did I state anywhere that I thought any Russian weapon was superior in any way?

I'm of the opinion that the M16A1 is one of the best full length combat rifles devised, hardly the position of a slavaboo.
I just don't give a fuck who comes up first with what, as long as it's good and it's available to me as a consumer.

>>34585827
You're degrading pigshit by comparing him to that, mate. That, at least, has a use. Like being fertiliser and running Bartertown.

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I bought my Bulgy about a month ago and honestly I love the damn thing. They're gonna disappear eventually and it's a great gun. I wouldn't consider it heavy, it weights the same as a subcompact or compact Glock fully loaded. Yeah you get half the capacity but you also have a steel gun that you could probably beat someone to death if need be.

I Keed

But my only complaint, wear gloves when shooting. Around 70 rounds in a started getting a hot spot and by 200 rounds I had a nasty blister in the web of my thumb. I filed down the grip a bit, but I would wear a glove when shooting the damn thing.

>>34586064
True enough, pigshit would actually be an asset.

>>34585706
go away

Dont spend the extra cash on hand select, its a fraud.

I bought a p64 that was supposed to be very good to excellent and hand pick, and it was definitely only good. Slide serration steel had some flattening like it was dropped, slide was worn from repeated holsterring. Plastic grips were poor condition. I actually suspect this was a return from a customer because there was a wolff spring and the grip screw upgrade on it.

I kept it though, since it had the stupid import mark on the bottom of the gun instead of shitting up the slide. And the barrel was taken care of very well. My grips had very sharp checkering that made me think the gun was biting the webbing of my hand. I smoothed the plastic out with a stone dremel, cleaned up the edges so they aligned perfectly, and put a rubber wrap around the grip where the trigger guard meets the grip. My grip mod eliminated any "bite" the gun previously had.

I use a vega holster for a ppk, cause i saw it used in the newer bond movies. Has a kydex clip that can be changed to either side.

Another note, cant tighten grip screws all the way because all my spare mags that arent the matching pair, are too tight of a fit.

>>34586577
Good advice on hand pick. But you should have bought a mak instead of that piece of shit.

Semi related, but will they have maks at gun shows? Going to my first one this weekend. Also looking into mosins, though I'm not paying more than $200.

>>34586650
Not paying more than $200 for a 91/30 Nugget is pretty sound, but a Makarov in decent shape easily approaches $300 these days, generally.

>>34586674
Damn. Thanks.

I was asking about the gun show at my range and some guy said that surplus mosins can explode if not cleaned properly. I don't even clean any of my guns as it is, but I don't shoot enough either (don't have the proper supplies.) Now I'm afraid to clean it. Thoughts?

>>34584037
Honestly, just get a S&W M&P Shield for $25 more. Unless you really want a Makarov for what it is, save it for someone who does

>>34586697
>surplus mosins can explode if not cleaned properly
Maybe if there's a fucking rock lodged in the bore or something, or you weld the muzzle shut.

Listen, these old WW1/WW2 era bolt-action military rifles are all pretty rugged (the Japanese ones in particular, short of maybe the very late last ditch ones), they're all built to safely fire and handle cartridges that can reliably kill a moose or bear with a decent shot, they lock up like bank-vaults by nature.
Cleaning is typically not an emergency, but it can't hurt to clean your gun every now and then (depends on how much you shoot), makes sure they last longer and perform better when you need them to. There's some basic guides on YouTube for simple cleaning with simple tools which works well enough.

If you ever shoot cheap surplus rifle ammo (mostly relevant with Mosin Nagants and Mausers these days), however, you should clean it after every shooting session, as a lot of that stuff leaves corrosive salts in the barrel, which will eat away at the rifling over time if not dealt with, eventually leading to shit accuracy.
Generally that stuff can be dealt with by flushing out the bore with some windex-mixed water (after the gun has cooled down of course), then scrub the barrel out with a patch.
This isn't really a concern with commercial ammo though, which largely will just leave lead, carbon and copper buildup in your barrel over time (which can be cleaned out).

>>34586635
It wasnt a piece of shit though?

Looks like a ppk, shoots good, cost 200 bucks. And im polish.

Kills Chechens pretty good.

>>34586956
>Wasn't
So you sold it off to the next sucker? Me too.

>>34584037
y e s

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>>34584037
would make an excellent Truck Gun

>>34584037

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>>34584187

I ordered a bulgarian back when an anon pointed out they were $199 on sportsmans guide with a 4x4 poorfag payment plan. As you can see the bluing was shit from (holster wear) but vinegar/boil/sandpaper/steel wool/mothers and your done lol. I was going to re blue it but its a carry gun so why bother. no rust yet and ill def be able to see it....

>>34586801
>the windex meme will never die

>>34587823
Oh bubba no

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>>34587936

lol. you can do it.

>>34587823
lol, wtf. You just removed the bluing and have bare ass metal? You need to have that shit blued or cerakoted or something. Hell, at very least spray it with clear coat. Bunch of fuckin mongoloids on this board, I swear.

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Cz 82 is the top evolution of the makarov style handgun

>chrome bore
>futuristic polygonal rifling
>12 round mag
>it's fucking superior czechnology
>external hammer is sexy as fuck

There's literally no reason not to buy this gun. It's my go to handgun.

BUY IT FAGGOT

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>>34587986

Your right anon, Im a mong who doesn't know what color rust is. At the first sign of rust I may have the internals treated but right now their is nothing wrong here. There are like 25 total parts to this gun and not a sign of rust.

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>>34587986
>What is nickel plating

>>34588112
>I'm smarter than the collective conventional wisdom of gunsmiths, mechanical engineers, and manufacturers who all think you should fucking absolutely have some kind of finish on the metal and not bare untreated steel.

It will fucking rust. It may not have rust on it right now, but it will. No matter how autistically clean you try to keep it. It will fucking rust as sure as the sun will set, as sure as the universe will eventually experience heat-death, it will rust.

You are a stupid, stupid person and I hate you.

>>34588207
It's not fucking nickel plated, he literally just scrubbed the finish off the gun.

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>>34585198
I bought mine from Classic.

>>34588259
>>34588235
>Hurr Durr I'm literally too retarded to tell the difference between a gun that's been scrubbed and polished to bare versus one that's nickel plated from the factory.

An hero.

>>34587240
>truck gun

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>>34588235

You were right anon, my gun is a rust brick now, what do?

>>34588311
What in the flying fuck are you talking about? Are you reading the thread? It's not fucking nickel plated. You really think the Bulgarians nickel plated maks?

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Naw mayne get the fuck outta here with that weak shit.

>>34588351
Bruh.. I'm a gunsmith. I'm trying to help a nigga out here, but if you don't want to listen then go ahead and ruin your gun then. It might be ok for a little bit but if you don't eventually have it blued or sprayed, it's going to end up in a trashcan.

>>34587966
No thanks, I want my surp to be worth something.

>>34588398

What is the best option to just coat the internals with myself then? When I looked into professional coatings it costed more than the slavshit gun is worth.

>>34588424

Dont kid yourself, if you get a bulgarian you will be finishing that shit. lots of machine marks. It shoots well though.

>>34588466
Gee I've been carrying mine every day for almost 2 years and have shot it over 1k times without a malfunction. Why do I need to finish it again?

>>34588487

Im just saying mine came rough but i guess this is expected for milsurp. If your bulgarian has no machine marks around the trigger housing area or extractor high five i guess. I think the gun is a great value. (i know this is just aesthetic)

>>34588466
>just coat the internals
Welp, I tried.

You don't need to worry about your internal parts. Nobody cerakotes the internal parts of a pistol. The coating will slightly alter your dimensions and you don't want that on your delicate internal parts. It's the frame and the slide that you should be worried about. You can get it sprayed for 140 bucks at a shop or cheaper if you know someone. Personally, I'd have it hot salt blued but I know that's not an option for everyone.

>>34588364
>the Bulgarians didn't do it
>that means the gun could never end up being nickel plated ever in any way

>>34588580
Literally why do machine marks matter

>>34588764
This is what you said:
>Hurr Durr I'm literally too retarded to tell the difference between a gun that's been scrubbed and polished to bare versus one that's nickel plated from the factory.
>nickel plated from the factory
>from the factory

I still have no clue what you're talking about or how it pertains to this thread in any way.

>>34588716

I'm going to look into it. every part had an aging bluing to begin with. maybe ill just bubba everything with some stump killer.

>>34588775

They don't until you remove the bluing...then they become hideous.

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I sure do like mine. Got her loaded up with Buffalo bore hard cast +p rounds as my new car gun. A step up from my .32 Tomcat for sure.

>>34588849
The point is - gun was fine, bubba

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>>34588849
>stump remover

Bluing with potassium nitrate is called Nitre bluing and it's a decorative finish for small inconsequential parts only. If you nitre blued that slide or god forbid the frame/barrel that metal will become brittle as fuck. You're totally fucking with the temper of the metal at those temperatures and the gun could blow up in your face the next time you shoot it. Nitre bluing is only for screws and pins and shit.

>>34588955

Thanks. That makes sense. Not going to do it.

>>34588371
It's about as hot as you can get with a reasonably sized blowback pistol.
Fun little pop guns with cheap ammo. No one's going hunting for bear.

>>34589123
I've heard stories of Russians hunting bears with Tokarevs. I guess the 7.62x25 rounds will penetrate deep enough to fuck up organs.

>>34588897
How is hard cast 9x18 anyway?

>>34585110
Someone needs to make a rifle version of this pic with the Nugget, SKS, and AK

>>34589144
Maybe if you hose it down with a 70rd drum from a subgun, or it's a black bear, but I sure as shit wouldn't want to ever try to take on a bear with just 8rds of 7.62x25mm from a 5" barrel, no thank you.

>>34588915

True, but now I have less rust than when I first got it and less rust than you.

>>34589343
>he doesn't know what patina is

>>34584266

If that's all you had maybe. For the same price range there's better

>>34585110
Oh shidd what is that revolver on the left called?

I've been wanting to get a revolver lately and that thing is just about exactly what I had in mind

>>34589556
Nagant 1895. They shoot snowflake ammo and are pretty terrible all around.

>>34584037
>>34584037
goddamit these better stay in stock I just bought a pistol and I can't buy another right now or I'm gonna get atf reported and get my dogs shot

>>34588057
Polygonal rifling has been around since before the 1900s.

Good pistol, good price. Buy it.

>>34589149
On paper it looks good; 100 fps faster and 20 gr larger bullet. I have 3 spare bullets left over after filling my pistol and its spare mag. I will see how they perform. I don't have chronograph or anything.

>>34589556
You really don't want one unless you collect slavshit.

>absolutely atrocious 28lbs trigger that feels like a chore with every pull
>reloads like a Single Action Army with all the springs removed
>the only real source of ammo is watered down target loads that aren't really that cheap

They're neat and interesting as part of a collection, also they can actually be silenced, but from basically all other standpoints, they're horrible, I'd recommend a Rock Island M200 junker over one of these any day.

>>34589589
>>34589796
Damn, anyone know any revolvers that look similar? Preferably in .38 special or something easy to find

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Nuff Said!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whURQiqm8aQ

get one from J&G Sales... Great company.
they have some great specials right now on 9x18 handguns
http://www.jgsales.com/handguns-c-16_151.html

http://www.jgsales.com/polish-p83-and-p64-combo-package-for-both-pistols,-9x18-cal,-blued,-surplus-in-g-to-vg.-p-100287.html

>>34584037
I'd opt for the $200 Tokarevs personally. $180ish if you choose the ones with worn bluing

>>34586697
Mosins were stored in cosmoline so if you buy one that hasn't had that cleaned off, it probably won't even fire consistently without cleaning. You can google the multiple ways to get that greasy shit off.

The guy saying it would blow up is full of shit but still it won't work well if it's still soaked in cosmoline.

>>34587823
Fuckin sweet looking desu senpai

>>34584037
>Is the Makarov worth a damn, /k/?
I got a Russian Mak, it was worth it. It's fun to shoot.

>>34587823
How do you like that grip?

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>>34591295
An old M1898 Rast & Gasser.
I don't know the prices of ammo but it's available, 8mm Gasser is vaguely in the ballpark of .38 Special in terms of performance. Also handloading 8mm Gasser would be a breeze, since it's a normal straightwalled revolver casing, as opposed to the unique and extended gas-seal casings of 7.62x38mmRG used in the Nagant, which is supremely bothersome to try to hand load.

The Rast & Gasser has this slick setup where opening the loading-gate disconnects the hammer, and you pull the trigger in double-action mode to index each chamber (8 of them) in the cylinder to (manually) eject and load cartridges.

The trigger is nicer than the Nagant, though you'll probably enjoy shooting it in single-action the most.
Ian did a video on one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1eXG-kVlf8

>>34591707
Indeed. The caked on cosmoline can also cause a thing called "sticky bolt" in which the action won't want to close or open without you applying a fair bit of force.

But sticky bolt can also happen if the cocking spring is too long, so look into that if you get a sticky bolt, even after cleaning out all the cosmoline gunk. If that's the case, clipping one or two coils off the cocking spring should fix it.
The nuggets were refurbished by the Russians before being put into storage, sometimes with not so good care, so occasionally you'll find a gun with that issue.

Just started carrying my Russian mak. Looking for a holster, I've been looking at alien gear, but keep seeing mixed reviews. Does anyone actually carry theirs?

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>>34584853

>look to see if anyone replied to my post last night because I have no life
>didn't
>see this

Lol with this logic do you think 38 is more powerful than 9mm too? /k/ should be a place of leaning not just being a dick, I'll help you out, it's not hard with a pencil and paper and once you know it's permanent.

You can find energy by weight*velocity^2 and a momentum value for penetration by weight*velocity. Put the two together along with ballistic gel tests of where some standard values will put you in the gel and you'll have an estimate of how "powerful" a round is and how far it'll penetrate without having to do real world testing. I suggest using metric

There are many variables this won't take into account you'll learn the importance of with experience like:

>the initial diameter of the bullet affects penetration

Looks like you already had an idea of this

>the rate of expansion affects penetration

I have a 9mm major load, 124 grain, pf 170, that won't go deeper than about 12" while something like a Hornady xtp, 124 grain, pf ~125, will do around 20". This is not only because of its final diameter but also because how early in the wound it starts to expand.

>the effect of a wider bullet removing more flesh

Fuddy-five vs 9mm

>the effect of a round striking with enough PSI to cause damage past the hole that would be created by just the diameter of the bullet

Normally seen in high velocity rounds. The smaller and heavier the bullet is at the same velocity the sooner this effect is evident BUT that does not imply that a smaller bullet is better at killing. A wider bullet hitting with less PSI can be more effective than a thinner bullet.


Have fun anon, the caliber and often even more so the ammunition you use will have a much greater effect in the field than the gun assuming it's reliable and accurate

>>34594033

Forgot to mention, understand what gel is supposed to simulate. If the guy you're shooting at is 10 inches thick and you know your round penetrates 12 inches into bare gel it doesn't mean it'll pass out the other side. Luckygunner does a good job at explaining this in their 380vs9vs40vs45 caliber tests with dozens of different common brands laid out in an easy to read format showing gel damage, final diameter, and velocity with 3 inches of barrel. They also do 38vs357 at 2 and 4 inch barrels. If you look at these you'll see the importance of bullet selection, one type of 9mm jhp may show that the 45 jhp you might be using is worse than a 9 under those circumstances.

Adding to the list above

>striking bone will deflect a bullet in different amounts normally dependent on momentum

>bullets can tumble in unpredictable ways, some more often than others

>where you hit might have dramatically different properties to another causing different expansion/penetration

>unless you hit the spine or brain you're just bleeding a target out without the high pressure effect

>>34589144
Yeah, and a guy killed a charging bear with a G19 last year. Doesn't mean you should try it.

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Classic just listed CZ82s with 2 mags on their site for 319. Better snap one up quick. They are way harder to come by then Bulgy Maks. That and the P64 I believe are the only 2 9X18 C&R guns you can get. It's the only 9X18 I like shooting more then my Maks too. Doesn't hurt that it also holds 13 rounds instead of 9 if your looking to carry it. This is my favorite one with custom grips.

>>34584853
Listen nigger, the .38 Special was a blackpowder cartridge originally. The 9x18mm is a smokeless powder which doesn't need the case capacity, and .38Special is not loaded to the brim with smokeless powder.

Quit talking like a faggot that doesn't know anything.

>>34594754
Aw shit son, thanks for the heads-up

Makarovs and CZ 82s are god tier pistols

>>34594754
Got an update in my inbox and came to check /k/ for this thread.

Just ordered mine.

Given that this is thread number gazillion asking if a retail price is a decent one for a particular firearm, and many of them involve classic surplus like Makarovs or P64's, here's a pro tip:

It is safe to assume that any gun you see for sale is worth half of what is being asked for it. The remaining half comes only from the fact that it's a gun, and the regulations around sale artificially make availability an issue, and therefore the consumer wants to "snap it up" while he can. A good but basic AR is often retail priced between $800 and $1000, with some irrelevant distractor (free case, free ammo, some brand of furniture, etc.) thrown in to convince you to pay near that. A good price is usually $400-$500 for that rifle. Pretty much every firearm you consider, this rule works unless there's some rogue variable. When enough people say "nah, don't really want to pay $1000+ for a Sig P226, or $600+ for a Glock 19," guess what? The price will approach half that, starting with "sales" and "discounts" and leading right to eventual MSRP. They'll sell more volume, and make just as much profit, unless their firearms are suddenly not considered "elite" enough just due to lowered price tag, in which case they will have to compete with other firearms that are of truly similar quality.

I pretty much pass on anything that is close to retail price. I wait for some other schlub to pay $1000 for a gun he shoots less that a box of ammo through, then try unsuccessfully to sell it for $800, and eventually settle for $500 or less.

>>>34587823
>How do you like that grip?

Its nice anon. Hard as fuck to install but mag release works great.

>>34593985 Looking for a holster, I've been looking at alien gear, but keep seeing mixed reviews. Does anyone actually carry theirs?

I got the leather. The kydex fits the gun like a glove and they give you a lot of different spacers to get fit just right. I do wish I would have opted for the neoprene. Its going to take forever to break in for someone who can't carry daily.

Ever seen a gun that can shoot 60.000 rounds and have no defects? That's a Makarov.

>>34594754
>giving money to sweaty Ben
Stop

>>34595751
So you're saying a Makarov could survive the apocalypse?

>>34595368
I just have a cheap pocket holster for my mak but I would also like to know if anyone has a good IWB option.

>>34595751
Plenty of guns can shoot sixty rounds without defects.

>>34595939
Given how it's a really simple blowback pistol made out of solid steel, I could definitely see it survive a bombardment or blast wave or something as long as there are no direct hits on the gun itself, or as long as it doesn't get caught in a fire.

Though many other guns also could.

>>34584624
.38 has better ammo availability
Does not leave casings at the scene
Can be fired from concealment(reliably)
Faster than any other firearm in CQC
No manual safety, See above
Can pistol whip without jamming

A .38 and a compact polymer is about right for this day and age.

Over all that deal is spot on and I would buy one now if I have the cash.

>>34591433
I can dig it.

>>34591433
Wow, that guy's sucking hornady's dick really hard. It seems excessive for what a typical video sponsorship would require.

I wonder if they let him keep the hornady knee pads and spit cup.

>>34596645
>.38 has better ammo availability
Eh, bulk ammo is still cheap and plentiful, buy stock up on some Tula or Red Army and you're good.

>Does not leave casings at the scene
Irrelevant to most people since they're not murderers.

>Can be fired from concealment(reliably)
From inside your pocket? You could probably do that with passable reliability with a Makarov as well.

>Faster than any other firearm in CQC
>No manual safety, See above
The Makarov can fire in double-action, so you can fire the first shot like a revolver and then have 7 single-action pulls.

>Can pistol whip without jamming
You mean the slide being pushed out of battery? I mean the spring will push it back, but I would avoid wanting to get into a slapping fight when I have a gun to avoid just that.

>>34597425
Not him but i seriously doubt you could reliably get off even 6 rounds from a mak from inside a pocket.

>>34597490
Depends on the pocket I guess.

>>34596645
>A .38 and a compact polymer is about right for this day and age.

A compact 9mm, yes

A .38 snub, no

Most modern .38 snubs are made of aluminum and notoriously difficult to shoot

>>34599183
I wouldn't say notoriously difficult, a phrase like that makes me think of a Micro Uzi without the stock.

I'd more say they're not novice friendly, but it can be learned by many if they just decide to, a .357 Magnum snub is way worse, there's a lot more training and acclimation needed for a gun like that.
Ruger makes an all steel snub by the way, which would be way easier in .38 Special

>>34594754
DON'T BUY THEM ALL BEFORE I GET ONE, YOU NIGGERS!

>>34594754
Wow that's a lot. AIM had some a little while ago in better condition for $300