Why is it the worst battle rifle? I want to spend ~$1500, and

>>34574791
Buy a Yugo .308 20 rounder. I do not know its official name but it is one of the best old school battle rifles for buck.

Its like 800$ in Europe but should be cheaper in USA. Spend the spare money on a good scope and .308 ammo.

And you will have a gun that you can shoot at distances AR cannot hope to reach

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>>34574844
ZASTAVA M77 .308 Win

Sorry for not knowing its name.

>>34574844
The M77? There's a couple up on AKFiles right now I think.

>>34574868
Yes M77. Its just a standard .308 battle rifle of its time.

You cant really go wrong with it and it should not be too expensive. Any cheap .308 will do if you invest in good optics

>>34574888
OP really should just go with a PTR since mags are still plentiful and cheap. It's the poorfag option but it's the best option. M77s are cool but idk how available mags are.

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>>34574791
You could buy or build a BM-59.

>>34574791
why do people hate on the M14/M1A? Genuine question.

>>34575038
Because your mother fucks niggers or because this is /k/ the least intelligent board

>>34574791
It's not. It's sort of a derivative of the Garand. It's a good rifle, but the FAL L1A1 imo is better. The M14 has better accuracy though.

>>34575038
misinformation about Springfield M1As being unreliable or made in brazil (they're not), and overzealous backlash against imaginary anti-AR 'Nam fudds who they've never actually met

But most importantly because they cant afford one

>>34575038
They think its a Fudd rifle cause it has wood furniture.

>>34575127
I would like one and I can afford it but i dont know if i could ever drop the money for it. I've also heard they aren't that accurate but not sure how true that is.

Dont the chinks make one (Norinco?) that is like half the price? Will US ever allow their import?

>>34575153
>accurate
they're definitely more accurate than a PTR or FAL or whatever. But it varies. It can definitely be made into an incredibly accurate competition rifle.

>Norinco in US
never

>>34574791
There are worse battle rifles. Trust me, there are.

>>34575038
It's overrated and was out dated when it was adopted. Dickless never served boomers and gen x fudds think it's the greatest thing ever because Patton said it was good and their dads or Grandpas were issued one and said it was OK.

>Inb4 M14 and and M1 are different
Tell that to the people who won't shut up about how great they are.

Most of the hate you see is just push back against 30 years of muh greatest battle implement ever and muh little .22 can't kill a man, you need a turdy Cal!

I've never not had fun shooting an M1 Garand or M1A, but I'd never own one. Not at the prices they go for.

See this guy >>34575207 is exactly what I was talking about here >>34575127

Has this guy ever met a "dickless never served boomer" talking about the m14? Has he ever met serious person talking about how great it was because their grandpa served with one? Has he ever met a guy talking about the STOPPING POWAH or MUH BATTLE IMPLEMENT?

No. Of course not. He's parroting a forums meme.

>>34575231
I grew up with a family of them actually, and they were prolific at gun shows up to the mid 2000s (when I stopped going to gun shows). My first rifle was a remshit .308 my dad talked me into because ".223 is too small for Durr, it was designed to wound" even tho I wasn't looking for a hunting rifle.

But hey man, you obviously know me.

>>34575262
Rekt

>>34574974
You can modify m1a mags to fit.

I've heard good things about the M&P 10. You could get it, a few Magpul 20 round magazines, and a decent optic for <$1.5K. I like the Vortex 3x Prism personally...

Just spend 2k and get a james river, fuck springfield

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>>34574986
My nigga

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>>34575426
Is that a JRA? I bought one from sweaty ben, kind of disappointed it doesn't have a stripper clip guide, but I like the rifle a lot. Maybe it's the lighting but I like the lighter finish on your stock.

>>34575038
Because you can build a better ar10 for less or equal money.

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>why is this the worst battle rifle
Its not people just dont want to pay the price for one [myself included] Its the whole "why would I shell out the cash for X when Y is basically the same thing for cheaper. Im not saying get a PTR but if you cant afford an M14 get a JRA BM59 from Classic. They are like 1200

>>34575231
My uncle spent the Vietnam war in the merchant marines sailin' round the world doing entire fields worth of heroin while trying not to get sunk by the formidable VC navy and endlessly shit talks m16s and rides AK and m14 dick. He's a good guy outside of this but the memes are real.
Such people exist and if you actually went out to shooting ranges/90's gun shows you would have met them.

>>34575507
Yep, JRA came from sweaty ben as well. I was also disappointed by the lack of a stripper clip guide but overall I'm very happy with this gun. It has a lot of neat features that make it kinda special. I wish they still had the bakelite bayonets when I ordered mine, yours looks pretty comfy.

My m1a scout is just fine. Has a composite stock so it's lighter. It's accurate as fuck. Never jammed. Have a red dot on it but I may throw on some magnification. Easier to clean than an ar10

>>34575278
Not really rekt since my experience is ancedotal, but some of us are old enough to remember when the internet wasn't as common and gun shows, stores, and ranges were where casual gun owners went to exchange knowledge.
>You needed to shoot a Jap with all 15 rounds in an M1 carbine to put him down
>You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with an AK-47
>5.56 was designed to wound and only good for killing people. You couldn't hunt with it because it would destroy the meat.
>The M1/M14 action is the most reliable design short of the AK and is a man's rifle. M16s are toys.
>7.62 NATO and .30-06 would literally arrest a charging man's forward momentum and stop him in his tracks.
>M16s shit where they eat
All used to be taken as gospel because the dude saying it had been in the Army for 3 years in the 80s or mid 90s and there was no one around who knew better to call them on their bullshit.

>>34575679
This also.

I also didn't say it was the worst battle rifle ever, I answered a question about why it's hated and someone who's ego is invested in the dollar amount of their rifles got pissed.

>>34575771
>Easier to clean than an AR10
>Doubt.jpg

>>34575889
It is easier to clean considering you're probably a civilian puke who doesn't know how to entirely break down the rifle and thoroughly clean everything.

>>34575975
I bet you think dental picks are a must have item when cleaning ARs.

>>34576105
Only if you're a super anal cleaning nerd. Q tips will suffice

>>34576311
That's actually how I feel about it too.

>>34575262
.223 is generally not considered powerful enough to kill deer reliably with one shot. In fact its even illegal to hunt with .223 in a number of states

>>34574791
>shitty bedded rifle in a wooden stock
>open action for stripper clips, while still having a mag

>>34576599
*incorrectly* not considered powerful enough.

Fixed it for you, fucking fudd.

>>34576599
I've hunted deer in Oregon with 64gr Federal Fusion rounds. My point was less about it's suitability anyway and more about the mentality of the Fudds I grew up with thinking everything needs to be a hunting rifle in .30 Cal.

>>34576599
I dont hunt deer with 223 because it kills the deer too much.
high velocity expanding bullets into small animal = explosion

caliber restrictions like that are retarded

>>34574986
How do I get a decent one for under $2000

>>34574791
The military uses modern ones for dmr/short range sniping roles

Why are millenials so afraid of .30 caliber? Is it the recoil?

>>34574791
get an AR-10 anon, It will take all of the tacticool ar-15 attatchments

>>34575038
Because it is inferior to all of its contemporaries.

>>34577293
>The military
What is with this blanket, unclear term all the time. What military exactly?

>used*
FTFY

Anyway. We(the US military) don't use them for anything more than range toys anymore. The SR25, M110 and SCAR-H have pretty much completely replaced the M14/M1A in entirety.

>>34577293
No they don't. That was a stop gap that was dropped as soon as the M110 was adopted.

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>>34574791
its a dank battlerifle

you're just shit

>>34576681
Classic has them for $1200. The JRA rifles are nice but they're built on cast steel receivers. Haven't had a problem with mine so far.

>>34575083
Wrong they both lose zero if you sneeze on them wrong. This is much less of a problem the FAL. Even the EBRs need to be baybied the G3 is best battle raifu

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>>34574791
Kill yourself, m14 the worst battle rifle? Lmao

>>34578150
Great to hear its finally been phased out for good. I remember what a clusterfuck it was trying to bring them back from the dead mid-GWOT, parts guns were a necessity due to no actual source for replacement. I also remember my idiot leadership ordering EBR kits but no proper scope mounts prior to deployment.

>>34578336
fal is better

Heavy.
Hard to mount optics.
Magazines are relatively expensive.
According to the manual, frequent field stripping can reduce accuracy.
Relatively limited in types of ammunition that can be used.
Amazing rifle to shoot.

The old man carried one in Vietnam. Said the M16 would cut up the gooks if they were charging across a clearing within 100 yards, but you needed something with more ass in the jungle to cut through the brush. Said the gooks would concentrate their fire on anything making a bigger boom than a M16. Seen his medals. Suspect he killed lots of gooks and knows what he's talking about.

>>34574791
>battle rifle
>$1500

You can build the AR-10 of doom for that kind of money.

If you buy any lower, any set of parts, and make sure you get a decent barrel, free float it with a decent handguard, and put a Geissele hi-speed match trigger in there, you'd still have money for a scope.

My 18" SASS barrel LR-308 frankenbuild rifle works at 965 yards on steel just fine.

>>34578150
>>34578366
M14s have been in use in Afghanistan to great effect, since an m-4 doesn't have anywhere near the effective range. They're heavy and certainly not a sniper rifle but a good dmr.

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>>34576599
>he fell for the "5.56 is inadequate for medium game" meme

>>34574791
A lot of people dislike them for a few good reasons, and some not so good reasons.

Good reasons to dislike
>action is based on something state of the art in 1930s
>incredibly heavy
>disassembly can reduce accuracy over time

Bad reasons
>wood stock
>difficult to mount accessories
>expensive

I personally like them, but certainly wouldn't want to carry a wooden stocked one. The sights are great, very little recoil (due to the weight), and it feels natural in my burger hands.

If you want to join the battle rifle master race, find one of each and see which you like the best.

>>34574791
Its not

I have a few variations, shoots just fine. Real fun to shoot and people always wana check it out at the range.

M14s are great, get on if you can.

If you think its inaccurate, your just a bad shot with it

>a
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Died for this

>>34574791
Build the ar10

M1a are awesome, but a money pit for beginners. Expect to spend an extra 1-2k on upgrading it to however you like.

If I was gonna do it all over again.

Purchase the cheapest m1a I could find, even used and without a stock would be okay. Purchase a high end stock like mcmillan or jae chassis or wolfe. Purchase a medium contour 18in barrel from wolfe. Purchase a sadlak mount or bassett depending on how much money I had left. Then ship it off to either wolfe, or warbirds to put it all together. Total cost would be under 2k, and the m1a would be good to go for life.

>>34580945
So were L1A1s, G3s, and other 7.62 NATO rifles. None are very good at it but they worked as interims because of the round they were shooting. Notice that they've all been replaced by L129A1, G28, and M110 by around 2008? Those are all AR styled rifles.

>>34582897
Cont

M14forum for example has a SEI m1a crazyhorse for 2k. Thats cheap considering 1k for rifle, about 1k for new barrel and custom work. And you dont even have to wait a year for it.

M1a is trash because I'm OCD and the rear sight isn't tool adjusted which means you can accidentally adjust your zero in the field. Inb4 faggots and their delusional ideas of adjusting iron sights in combat instead of holding over. This is also why a1 carry handles are better than a2. Try to disagree.

>>34575889
>You needed to shoot a Jap with all 15 rounds in an M1 carbine to put him down
That can be true, humans aren't easy to kill. Sometimes people survive way more than 15 shots
>>You couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with an AK-47
Ak sights have adjustments for range. Often those who aren't knowledgeable in their use would leave it at the highest setting. Which is why a few hundred Rhodesians withstood siege by 5000 Soviet armed natives. U.S. soldiers wouldn't know this, so to them an AK could be inaccurate af
>5.56 was designed to wound and only good for killing people. You couldn't hunt with it because it would destroy the meat.
Annoying meme
>>The M1/M14 action is the most reliable design short of the AK and is a man's rifle. M16s are toys.
I've been told that weapons in Vietnam were unreliable because soldiers didn't bother to maintain them.
>>7.62 NATO and .30-06 would literally arrest a charging man's forward momentum and stop him in his tracks.
Meme
>>M16s shit where they eat
What does that even mean?

>>34583042
>didn't bother to maintain them
I heard the original m16s weren't issued with cleaning kits, so a rumor arose that they didn't need to be cleaned. Thus, not maintaining them. I could be way off, though.

>>34575038
Its a fine rifle, in the same way an M1 is fine. But its never been the best option, its been outdated since its inception. also underhanded fuckery during army trials.

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>not the cutest battle raifu

Sexy ass gun. It's not always about utility. If it was, everyone would just buy AR-10s and autists can't wrap their heads around the fact that someone might appreciate a gun for some other reason than that.

You don't buy a M14 to have the best high speed low drag tactical battle rifle, you buy a M14 because you want a M14

>>34583222
>If it was, everyone would just buy SCARs

>>34580852
>Heavy
Actually lighter than the FAL and G3.

>Hard to mount optics.
Not any harder than other battle rifles of the day
The original mounts were actually of quick detach design, clip guide supported mounts came later.

>According to the manual, frequent field stripping can reduce accuracy.
This is only true for detail stripping the garand Gas cylinder and lower band.

>Relatively limited in types of ammunition that can be used.
Again only true for the Garand, the M14 has a self adjusting bleed off short stroke gas system. that cycles M80 ball to M118LR and FGMM without issues.

>>34584673
Wrong.

>>34585738
You're fake news

>>34582988
have you adjusted the rear sights of an m1a? probably not or you'd know that theyre fairly stiff and take a decent amount of power to click over. you won't be shifting your zero all willy-nilly without knowing it

>>34574986
This would be a good choice for people that want an M14 style rifle without the same issues associated with modern civilian M14 clones

>>34585758
lel other anon btfo
will he ever recover?

>>34575038
>>34575127

The M14 was flawed from the beginning, and the only reason the T-48 FAL wasn't adopting was Army Ordinance having to sabotage the FAL. It's also why the M60 was adopted over the FN-MAG58 which lol M240 anyways.

Uses a traditional stock setup that absolutely sucks for accuracy due to the nature of bedding the M14 and why the M21 didn't last as a sniper rifle. The FAL, G3, and AR-10 are all significantly better than M14 on the military scale.

On the commercial side, SA has ran of out of USGI parts and their cast parts are not up to spec. Very overpriced, and QC has been lacking for years. Aftermarket shops are also expensive due to SA really being the only M14 manufacturer. Ironically, Polytec made the best clone despite some early soft bolts which fucked the American M14 market.

>>34577293
>>34578150
The EBR variant was adopted for a couple of years by the US Army then dropped.

>>34585738
Please, go ahead and try to refute my valid points.

>>34586484
>Polytec made the best clone


Tell that to the guys on canadian gun nutz.

They are project guns at best and small parts and QA/QC is slave labor tier. Rifles complete with canted front sights and small parts breaking.

>>34574791
I like the M14 over the FAL and G3 cause it looks cooler IMO. I'm saving up for an M1A and I'm gonna change it to get as close as I can to look like an actual M14.

>>34577767
My 1903a3 did beat my shoulder up

>>34583222
hngghhhhhh

>>34574791
What's up with your spacing there, little buddy?

>>34586103
>issues with modern day clones
Do norinco m305s have these issues? if so, what are they?

>>34588156
parts breakage. bad qa/qc

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>>34575038
For what it is and what it costs, it's the worst option. Exposed action, heavy, it really shows its age.

While the FAL, while old, still can Jeep strides with more modern rifles with just a red dot.

This is coming from a guy that fucking Loves the look and feel of am style rifle. Hell I wanted an M1 for hunting and nostalgia, Mini 14 for plinking and HD, AND an M1A for SHTF.

>>34575038
It's all ar fags

but m1as are genuinely overpriced

>>34589859
that is one sexy fal

I owned one and fucking hated it, overly heavy 3 MOA from a rest sack of shit. Sold it, built an AR-10, gets sub-MOA with good ammo.

>>34575038

It's one of the heaviest and finicky battle rifles and the shortest serving of them all.

It also has some of the most insufferable fans.

Any opinions about the MAS 49\56? I know the 308 conversions are spotty but do people use the 7.5 French?

>>34593025
the conversions were really bad and made the rifles jam up and explode.

>>34593025

If you want a MAS 49\56, get it in 7.5Frog and start reloading.

>>34592224
its one of the lightest battle rifles and the longest serving of them all.

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In canada we get the norinco clone for 700$ CAD new

I bought mine for 500$ CAD used and put a wood stock on it.Really happy about it since it was cheap(for an m14) to get and I think I got lucky with the machining since its been reliable and accurate for 1000 rounds now.

Thinking of putting a scope on it like pic related

I would NEVER pay 1.5k for an m14,theres so much other shit you could get with that money.But I would pay 1.5k for a legal FAL,since we cant get those here.

>>34595055
400 USD is dirt cheap for any rifle, especially, I assume, up in DUDE NON-PENETRATIVE BESTIALITY LMAO land.

>>34589859
Have you done anything to upgrade the trigger?

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>>34595287
Its as cheap as our cheapest ar (M&P Sport II)

Quality(surprisingly),cheap chinese imports and milsurp,as well as getting guns shipped to our doorstep are the only things us snow mexicans have over the US.

I bought a p226 clone for 325$CAD,and I will admit the real thing is better.But,for just a range toy its been reliable with any ammo I put through it and accurate enough for me.

Norinco is a godsend for people who like guns and dont have a lot of money to spend.

Less money spent on guns means I can afford more ammo,which means more range trips.

Pic related is a P226 next to an NP22

>>34595651
>Quality(surprisingly),
They're built on tooling that we gave to the KMT back in the day, so as long as they use decent materials and assemble them correctly there's no reason they wouldn't be fine.