In equal numbers, what is the determining factor in a dog fight.

>>34573256
>1 single determining factor
Go away

>>34573268
Energy, obviously.

The single biggest factor is which side sees the other first. The majority of air combat through the entirety of its history has been decided by one side getting the jump on the other.

>>34573338
this
the one with the better energy generation can fire it's laser longer or biger

Situational awareness.

>Barkhorn char-acterized maneuvering combat as a high-risk, low-payoff activity and estimated that between 80 and 90 percent of his victories were against unsuspecting targets.

Gerd Barkhorn claims 300 aerial kills btw.

>>34573384
What he says is pretty obvious, really. Ambush is always advantageous and maneuvers come only if the opponent manages to counter your initial attack.

>dogfight
Not as important in modern air combat, but the most important factor is Energy.

In moder air combat the most important thing is information.

Pilot training and who detected who first.

>>34573642
What is the origin of the term "dogfight?"

>>34573256
>dog fight

Don't bring guns to a missile fight.

Energy, who can climb higher and who gets the first shot.

>>34573743
Also don't forget to BRING guns too.

The era in which we supposed fighters woudn't need machine guns anymore brought us a world of trouble that we realized how retarded it was put them back on.

>>34573883
>I watched the history channel too much as a kid

>>34573883
>T. Sprey et all
The navy never equipped their F4's with a gun and had the highest win-loss ratio of the war.

>>34573349
Pretty much this. If a plane came get a missile lock before their opponents, it's game over, with the exception of perfectly timed maneuvers.

>>34573739
What are you asking? The history of the word dogfight or what dogfight currently means?

In modern air combat, a dogfight refers to a close in fight where an aircraft attempts to maneuver into firing position before its opponent can. It's also referred to as air combat maneuvering

A lot of modern air combat doesn't involve those types of maneuvers and instead take place beyond visual range, using radar guided missiles to fire on enemies before they can get close in.

>>34573256
>in equal numbers, what is the determining factor in a knife fight
>Will the fastest soldier or one with the most range always win? It feels like it could just run away to avoid danger and then turn back to make an attack run.

The one whose friends have ammo aka missiles left wins m8.

>equal numbers
>dogfight

There are no winners, both will have unsustainable losses.

>>34573739
During WW1 when two planes were trying to out-turn each other, their engines would sometimes have to be restarted, and the sounds of the engines restarting sounded like dogs whining.
Or something like that. I'm probably way off.

>>34573256
The squadron with better--
>funding (for maintenance, training, etc.)
>AWACS/ECM support
>radar and missile range
>anti-aircraft coverage
Anything else is either too insignificant a factor to come into play, or circumstances that only appear in the kind of balls-to-wall close-in engagements you only see in movies or vidya.

Back when maneuvering was a thing, undereducated pilots wanted superior maneuverability. It turned out that speed was more important; a speed advantage meant you could engage or disengage when you wanted
.>>34574005
Et al, nigger.

>>34574290
stop posting, idiot.
Also, this board has a minimum age. GTFO

(planes with starters? wew)

>>34577750
AAMs don't allow you to run away from a fight, because even back when AAMs were shit, the one thing they were good at was tailchasing after non evasive targets.

In the 50s and 60s speed was important for interception in the 70s and 80s it became more important for BVR missile energy.
Today speed is in a weird spot; with long detection and engagement ranges no longer a given for thanks to radar LO, infared signature management has become more important, flying supersonic increases the infared detection range by up to 3 times.

>>34577775
That's literally the reason it's called a dogfight. Fucking Autists on /k/, how did you folk get here?

>>34577750
This was common knowledge since the era of Dicta Boelcke. Hell, most people seem to forget that the missles were a part of the aircraft's arsenal since at least the later part of the first World War, and it was only during the early 50s that missles began to outstrip guns in performance and range.

>>34573256
The most determining factor is Nationality.

When you say, Chinese, a set of specifications come to mind immediately, like great training method, maker of powerful engines, Can multi task under pressure, great technological advantage, honorable method of combat.

When you say Russian, you see hohols, vatnicks and vodka and inexperienced pilots with very very old air frames.

According to Russians it's being able to do a bunch of airshow tricks to kill off your airspeed to get behind opponents, because apparently wingmen don't exist in air-to-air fights.

>>34581249
>not exclusively training your combat pilots with wodka, YouTube videos of air shows, and Ace Combat on a dusty PS2
lmao enjoy dying when the enemy *teleports behind u* with their guns and all you can do is cry at how unrealistic your death is

>>34573256
>dog fight.
rarely happens anymore, not with jets and BVRAAMs
it's whoever has better BVR air-to-air missiles
for a longer description see
https://www.quora.com/What-does-modern-air-warfare-fighter-vs-fighter-look-like

If it gets to WVR fight it's pretty much whoever fired first, same as in WW1, WW2 and any other conflict. Dog fights are and were extremely rare, whoever got the drop on unsuspecting enemy usually won.

>>34573256

Whoever sees who first

Whoever can get a lock first