/msg/ Milsurp thread. :D edition Don't look at that

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>>34559137
My 1896/11.

>>34559255
sex

I need a M39

>>34559308
I'll trade you for your SKS
[spoiler]I already know the answer[/spoiler]

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>>34559329
My SKS is my very first gun. She'll go to my grave with me.

Or my kids if I ever have any and they aren't shit heads.

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Its only been like maybe 2 months since my last surp purchase. I try to spread em out a year or 2 and im already startin to get that itch.

help.

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These threads suggs :D

>>34559400
>Year or two between purchases
I feel the itch as soon as the purchase goes through on my card. It's been a little over a month for me and the Fever is getting intense.

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>>34559400
I've been trying to stop buying one every month now for 8 months. It's only gotten worse. If I'm not buying surp, I'm buying ammo for them. The addiction is real

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Took it out to shoot last weekend, dirty as fuck to clean but im satisfied with it regardles.

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>>34559400

>>34559137
>:D
newfags get out reeee

>>34559635
Look at the receiver friendo

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>>34559308
I got an extra

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>>34559278

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>>34559137
Have a nice Garand in mind, but it has to wait until I get paid on the 25th, and I'm terrified it won't be there in ten days.

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>>34559137
My baby, I call her Lydia...
91/30 that I shall keep with me 'till the end of days

>>34559990
My Mosin is named Raisa after the cyrillic R carved on her stock. She is also my first gun and I will love her forever.

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>>34559649
Ackshually that's the barrel.

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>>34560507
Fine, look at the barrel shank then

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>>34559137

Repostan my new arrival.

>>34559675
How much

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>>34560463
>>34559990
When I call my slav anything it's usually "Big Bitch"

>>34559400
>>34559430
>>34559433

I've spent about $6000 this year. To be fair I'm really just starting, so I've got a ton of low-hanging fruit so far.

>>34559779

Have you asked them to hold it for you? Have you offered to make a down payment on it?

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>>34560539
I named mine after Lydia Litvyak.
I am infatuated with planes, and when I pick up my rifle for the first time. It felt like it spoke to me.
I think that it probably has to do with that saying, "If only you could talk, the stories you'd tell"

For whatever reason the nugget is the only gun in my collection that has a name.
But why "Big Bitch?"

>>34560532
Honestly not sure if I want to sell quite yet, haven't even shot it. I just like dangling my junk in front of Kap ifyouknowwatimean

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>>34560577
Sheer size

>>34560577
her feet are probably a little cold

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>>34560623
As cold as the enemies that fell swiftly.

>fn-49 for 600
>it's Venezuelan and has a chunk missing near the trigger

is it worth to try and grab it? the stock repair should be simple but I have no fucking clue on 7mm Venezuelan ammo.

>>34560669

7mm Mauser is pretty available. If the stock damage doesn't impair the function I'd leave it, shows character.

I have no idea what FN 49s are worth though.

>>34560669
They go for about 2x that usually, I'd buy it in a heart beat.

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I got an empty shell casing stuck in my mauser. Tried tapping the shit out of it with an aluminum cleaning rod and mallet but that didn't do much. It's stuck in there pretty good. What do I do?

On a side note I recently replaced the stock with an original stock in better condition

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>>34561974
My old stock was pretty fucked.

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>>34561990
Maybe some wood glue would fix it but I'm not convinced.

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>>34562001
Only other good picture I have of my mauser. The colt 1903 isn't technically milsurp as that unit was never in government hands but close enough I guess?

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>>34559137
heyyy bb

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>>34562019
no complaints here

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>>34561974
Use a bigger hammer. A good engineers hammer with a wood block between it and the rod should do the trick.

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Family heirloom
U.S. Springfield Armory M. 1896
Serial # puts manufacture at 1897
Shoots like a fucking dream
Only down side is 30-40 krag is a bitch to find and is expensive when you do

FUCK SWEATY BEN

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>>34560527
That Chiang Kai Shek rifle looks great. It has very nice aesthetics.

>>34562752

Reload.

>>34562931

Doesn't look as good up close, got some rust on it. But thanks!

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>>34560516
>Fine, look at the barrel shank then
Ackshually the barrel shank is the threaded portion inside the receiver ring.

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>>34563097
lol well look at this one that just sold near me

>>34560804
>>34560730

it's not in 7mm mauser though. this shit is in 7x39 argentine ammo which I have honestly never heard of.

>>34563627
... what? No.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_Model_1949

>>34563627
Sure you don't mean 7.65x53 Argentinian?

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I haven't had time to take a better pic, but I finally got to bring my beautiful French girl home. I have 3 boxes of 8mm lebel and I can't wait to see what she can do at the range tomorrow.

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>>34560550
Not yet. He requires a 20% down payment to do a layaway system, but I'm down to my last 200 for right now, so I'm just hoping the obscurity of his shop works in my favor til payday/getting my taxes back in early August.

>Yugo K98k with G33/40 carbine bolt

>>34563823
I dig the Reichsrevolver. Got a local shop selling one for 800.

>>34563937
thats less than what I paid, but antique revolver command a premium up here in Canuckistan. they're well built guns, but are hilariously obsolete. I enjoy knocking the casings out with any old stick I find on the ground.

>>34563627
The Venezuelan FALs were in 7x49 Liviano; their SAFN-49s were in 7x57mm Mauser.

>>34563990
I handled it and loved it, but I just know I'd never be able to shoot the thing.

>>34559137
Noguns here, is a milsurp a good first gun? If not, what else should I buy? I'm looking for something cheap, and the history of milsurp really appeals to me, but does it have practical value?

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>>34564288
>is a milsurp a good first gun?
Depends on what milsurp. A .22lr trainer would be a very good first gun.
>If not, what else should I buy?

>>34564288
Not really. An AR or a 22lr would be infinitely better for a first gun.

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>>34564288
>is a milsurp a good first rifle
Unless you plan on being a collector of surplus first, and a shooter second, no. They're strange guns to learn fundamentals on, and it's like learning to throw a basketball starting at the three point line.

>practical value?
Sure, you can use them for any kind of hunting you want, but a modern bolt action will run circles around most any milsurp you can buy.

>what else to buy instead?
A GOOD bolt action .22 with regular rifle proportions. I don't mean a cheap Marlin or something, but more like a CZ trainer. Or if you feel like you'll grow out of .22 quickly (you never actually do), a .308 anything is a good buy, even milsurp in this case...such as an Indian 2a1 Enfield, if it has to be milsurp for you.

>>34563766
>Sure you don't mean 7.65x53 Argentinian?

yeah that's what I meant. the description is literally "7mm" so it could be either mauser or this Argentinian round.

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>>34564391
If it's a Venezuelan-contract FN-49 it's going to be in 7x57mm Mauser.

>>34564400
This. I don't understand why this is even a discussion.

>>34564391
Calipers and cerrosafe.

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>>34559137
Guys, I know this is not "military" surplus, but it is contemporary to many of the rifles you have.
Does anyone know what is a good price for a Mannlicher Shoenauer? Or anything to lookout for with these rifles?

>>34564421
At least a couple thousand dollars generally.

dry firing my milsurp is ok right? ive got an m39 and a no4 with a type 38 on the way. i really like dryfire practice and want to push these rifles as far put as theyll go but i dont want to damage anything.

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Postin' a Mosin.

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>>34564507
It's okay, but you'll feel less guilty if you get some snap caps...then you can practice loading and unloading as well.

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>>34564421
Depends on caliber, accessories, and period of manufacture.

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>>34564508
My Finn M91 is unironically my favorite of my milsurps

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>>34564391
Then it's 7x57 Mauser, like every other Venezuelan FN49 made.
>>34564421
For a commercial model? $2000+ usually.

>>34564553
The Austrians made such aesthetic bolt action military rifles.

Steyr aesthetics > literally every other rifle aesthetics

>>34564525
i suppose thats always an option. this is stupid but i should be able to just reform a case with a used primer and stick a bullet in the end right, just color it red or something so we know its not live.

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>>34564573
Can't argue there.

Though that one was a Breda actually.
>>34564577
Yeah but then that's brass you can't use.

>>34564577
I've done that, it works.

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>>34560730
7mm Mauser isn't that expensive really

>>34564595
>>34564597
i think il do that, thanks.
.303 brass doesnt last all too long in my enfield anyway. il just use some that have been fired a handful of times.

>>34564529
The one in question is said to be a Model 1903 in 6.5 x 54MS.

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>>34564573
Don't forget pistol aesthetics

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Rare M39s, anyone?

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Plz no bully

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>>34564693
>Rare M39s, anyone?

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>>34564716
Thats pretty cool, didn't know that the Finns used non-domestic barrels outside of the B-marked ones for M39s.

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>>34564687
Mein Dich

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>>34564711
>Tangent sights
Disgusting.

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>>34564711
>tangent-leaf sight
>wide lower band
>SG.84/98 Type III
>that flag

REEEEEEEEE

>>34561974
Why did you screenshot that when you could have just saved the picture?

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>>34564734
>Thats pretty cool, didn't know that the Finns used non-domestic barrels outside of the B-marked ones for M39s.
I wish it were mine; I just wanted to bust your balls a bit. Here's the only other example I know of:

>>34564711
That's better than my G.98, which is to say I have no G.98 at all. So a nice condition G.98 style rifle is still a nice rifle. Just don't fool yourself into thinking it's a real G.98 just because of the flag and trench club.

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>>34564716
holy fuck I want one of those so bad.

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>>34559137
Should I spend ALL my shekels on a Garand, or only about half of them on a Steyr M95 long rifle?

Hardest decision of my life.

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>>34564771

Yeah, it makes sense though. An M39 is just a converted and rebarreled MN91, but its very interesting that they would bother to reprofile a captured barrel to M39 specs instead of throwing a new one on it.

>>34564804
Half on the Steyr M95, those guns are cool as fuck.

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>>34564771
Oh we're just posting rare Mosins?

i think the manufacture mark on my m39 got scrubbed off. is there anywhere else on the rifle i could look?

>>34564814
They are cool as fuck. I'm just worried about US surplus prices going up seemingly faster than other types of surplus.

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>>34564820
My M91 has no mark either.

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>>34564748
>>34564750
>>34564782


It's a Gew98 upgraded with the tangent sights during the Weimar Republic era. I thought the Battle flag and trench club made it look cool desu

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so my local gun shop has a G33 for sale for $550, however when i looked at it i ddint see a year or anything, turns out after some digging I found its this (top of barrel has wood instead of exposed barrel):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EINVxBmUbQg

It felt really good, but i dont know if $550 is too much for this official "sportorized" version, already have a yugo mauser

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>>34564820
forgot pic. guess it doesnt really matter where it came from since its a sako now.
>>34564829
is there any reason some arent marked or did they just slip through the cracks? i know its an antique because i got it sent to my house before i got my C&R but id like to know the history behind it.

>>34564837
Don't get me wrong, it's a really nice rifle.
I just didn't have a way to know if you were cosplaying it as a G.98 with the accessories. I'd probably do the same. Plus, I'm not a G.98 purist anyway, so sorry if I was a dink about it.

>>34564837
It's a nice rifle, I'm just giving you shit.

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>>34564865
>is there any reason some arent marked or did they just slip through the cracks?
No idea. Mine's a 43 Tikka, but I want so badly to imagine it originally being a Chatellerault or Sestroyetsk

It's okay. Lot's of people don't know about Gew98s being upgraded with the rear sight and etc. My rifle is dated 1916. It was probably used during both world wars, but only as a second line rifle if that.
I like to dress her up as a ww1 or ww2 rifle, you feel me senpai?

>>34564950
Become a Volkssturm reenactor

>>34564964
Yes

>>34564908
my dads got one from sestro, its marked for the civil guard too. i bought both of them and told him to pick whichever he likes better, sort of a late/early birthday gift depends on how you look at it. i think that one is vkt instead of sako though

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>>34564950
>but only as a second line rifle if that.
On the contrary, many Waffen-SS were equipped with either older German arms like the Gew.98M or captured/annexed foreign stuff.

>>34565034
Fug, I want a Sestroryetsk so bad, those are my favorite markings of any Mosins out there.

>>34565055
woke af now, thanks

I feel like a retard but can someone walk me through how to install a sling on an Arisaka type 38 carbine? I can't find shit online.

Can someone please show me the distinctions between a light walnut and dark beech K31? I was under the impression that all the orange K31s were beech, but after seeing a few lighter walnuts I'm not so sure anymore.

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>>34565113
Interesting. The orange stocks are my least favorite part of my Swiss rifles

>>34565131
I specifically like K31s for their orange stocks, I hate the dark brown look of most of the walnuts.

>>34565211
Fucking sacrilege. I want to strip the shellac off my 96/11 and stain it dark brown, but I don't want to be bubba, even though Swiss bubba already molested it before me.

>>34565247
once its been bubbad once you might as well do whatever you want as long as your arnt chopping the stocks and shit

>>34565211
But to answer your question, look at the grain pattern of the wood to know. Beech wood grain has weird specs or something that muddle the look compared to walnut.

>>34565247
Imo black and dark brown is a terrible color combo.

>>34565271
Thanks for the clarification. So most of the tiger striped wood stocks are definitely walnut, right?

>>34565059
dude sent a pretty nice letter with them and a cleaning kit. im bummed that i cant find it, i think it had the info im looking for too.
hows that type of sling? i cant think of an advantage dog collars have over a regular sling swivel.

>>34564223
ammunition is not too bad actually. you can shoot .44 russian out of it safely, and companies still make it:
https://www.midwayusa.com/44-russian/br?cid=9272
Reloading for the reichsrevolver is easy too because you can use shortened .44 spcl casings and regular .44 cast bullets. you can use .44 spcl reloading dies if you grind them to a shorter length.

>>34565268
True.

>>34565364
Tiger stripes are pretty much always a walnut thing. Pic related is a good example of the chippy look of beech, albeit a little strong of an example. I hate beech stocks.

>>34565372
The swivels are cool, but the fit of the Soviet pattern sling is fucking SNUG and it can't really pass through the swivel. It would fit a 1 inch sling much better.

>>34565417
Interesting. That makes it seem more attractive.

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>>34565466
Fuck, forgot pic

>>34559137
Hey guys, how do I get an M1 Garand? Most of the gunshops in my area only have modern stuff, the gunshows mark up their rifles to like 1,400 and nobody on armslist is responding to my offers.

Liberty Tree has a Carcano 1891 Long Rifle for 550. Is that really how much a original long rifle is worth?

>>34565564
Holy shit does that seem high for a Carcano

>>34565564
The last 2 I saw sold for around $400. So they're a bit higher than you'd wanna pay imo. But I'm not an expert on Carcanos.

>>34565466
just make sure whatever .44 russian ammo you shoot out of it is relatively low velocity/pressure. My reloads are only pushing 670fps with 240 grn bullets.

>>34565520
Through the CMP. Don't bother with the secondary market, it's all overpriced.

>>34565564
>Is that really how much a original long rifle is worth?
Liberty Tree is always high, but that looks like a good example of an M91 long rifle.

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1915 Izhevsk M91 (Tang says 1914), Finnish capture.

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>>34564573
Even contract Steyr's are top tier

>>34564761
It's probably not his gun, is my guess

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>>34565113
Mine is dark beech or should be considering the serial number

>>34565520
If you want a good shooter that's a non matching rebuild then >>34565631 is the way to go.

If you want a matching original just to collect then it's LGS, armslist, gunbroker or auctions/estate sales.

Something to think about is that the baby boomer generation is starting to reach their twilight years, and some good to excellent condition stuff will be up for grabs. So hit up an estate sale, auction or even a garage sale. You never know what you'll find.

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What is the best milsurp bolt action rifle and why is it the k31?

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>>34566406
>Shit sights
>Heavy
>Bad ergos
>Complex action
>No primary extraction
>Cardboard chargers
Hahaha no. Pic related is the best.

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>>34565722
I'm mirrin' that worn finish

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>>34566442
You're literally the only other person I've seen that also thinks that as well.

>>34566238
This guy is right. I picked up a Swedish Mauser M38 from a guy for 50 dollars because he said he just didn't shoot it anymore. We're not getting many imports anymore but there's still plenty of surp on the market.

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W.e

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>>34566442
>>No primary extraction

The Bloke would like to have a word with you

>>34566460
What? That the K31 is overrated or the Mas 36 is the best? Because I'm not the only one here that says that.

>>34566442

funny enough I found most of those to be a plus because they are interesting design choices. then again I don't give a shit about home defense.

also

>hating on cardboard charges

they have got to be the most unique charger I have ever fucking seen.

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>>34566542
Well being the most unique and being the best are very different things. I like my K31 too. It's just not the best.

>arguing over which 'surp is the best 'surp.
>when all 'surp is the best 'surp.

>>34559433
wut dis? Gewehr 98 or Dreyse?

>>34566620

>dreyse

nigga you what that's a Chilean mauser

>>34566632
cuse me, long day and a couple of beers, give me a break

>>34566487
I've come here for 3 years, and I pretty much never see anyone else that is actually willing to talk about the negative aspects of the K31.

>>34566620
I wanna be the first guy on the bloc/k/ with a Dreyse Zündnadelgewehr

>>34566472
The Bloke is just a fanboy. If you dare diss his rifles he will go on an autismo rant.

>>34566710
>tfw hate the taste of alcohol no matter what I do

even if I add barely any alcohol to my drinks I instantly pick it up. please kill me.

>>34564771
>>34564716
IIRC, they turned some M91s into M39s in the 60s.

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Took a family picture of my babies. If anyone wants to see them closer, Just ask. I'll be home soon from work.

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>>34566620
1912 Chilean my dude

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>>34566808
>Dreyse Zündnadelgewehr
>whats that? your rifle has a firing PIN?
>my rifle has a FUCKING NEEDLE

Googling for a Dreyse needle rifle I stumbled upon THIS shotgun opening mechanism.

>captcha is maplewood alcohol
The goyim know, shut it down!

>>34566470
I love what you have, but you gotta diversify your collection.

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>>34564711
yay for trench club. wrong sights on that 98 tho

>>34566837
He's gotten more reasonable as time has gone on. I think he started really strong because I feel like he had some misconceptions he REALLY wanted to disprove.

I'm pretty sure he posts here sometimes, but I don't have any proof though.

>>34567167
>stielhandkopfschlagenkloepfel

>>34567172
I believe he did post here one time though I don't have the screen cap.

>>34567343
How did you know for sure?

>>34567370
because everyone who is autistic has posted on 4chins at least once

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Wewe. Is this the average price for a Lebel or is it just a bid war/kikery?

http://www.gunbroker.com/item/663477435

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>>34567463
Lebels are hard to price. They can usually the anywhere from 650-1800. That seller in particular usually gets higher than average prices for his stuff too, like pic related.

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>>34567463
bid war most likely

Is there any way to tell if a SMLE was actually issued? I have a 1922 Lithgow No. 1 Mk. III* that with 1942 and 1950 FTR markings (rear sight and rear sight wings in 1942 and barrel in 1950). Just thinking of history, Australia pretty much used everything they had so I think it's a pretty safe bet, but I was still wondering if there was a database somewhere or something.

>>34567612
The Irish contract No4s and the commercial actions are pretty much the only ones never issued.

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>>34565520

CMP is a decent option, though their stock fluctuates.

The Filipino Garands are on their way back and the SK Garands will probably be coming back in the next year or two.

I bought mine for $1k from a local gun show.

>>34566846

It's your body letting you know there's dangerous neurotoxins present.

Enjoy it, because it leaves you with more money for 'surp.

'surp is love, 'surp is life.

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>>34559137
I wanna buy a bayonet for my lee enfield mk3 no1

Would this be the appropriate bayonet to put on it?
pic related my enfield

>>34564816
Post the SAT one nigga

>>34567801
woops forgot the link

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WW1-And-2-British-Model-P-1907-P-07-Bayonet/152620602764

the blade looks really clean and there aren't many defects

50 dollars worth it?

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>>34567785
>Enjoy it, because it leaves you with more money for 'surp.
This. I kick myself thinking about how much money 18-year-old me blew on booze when I could've been buying $60 nuggets.

>>34567801
Appropriate bayonet is the Pattern 1907.

>>34567831
>Appropriate bayonet is the Pattern 1907.
I should have mentioned my rifle is from 1918. Would that still be correct?

>>34567831
>Appropriate bayonet is the Pattern 1907.
Any of the makers? Sanderson wilkson?

>>34567830
yes, but keep in mind the $10 shipping

>>34567897
Well 62 dollars then. Does that sound like a fair price for that condition?

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>>34567906
yes, but I wouldnt go much higher.

>>34567923
OK. The ones I saw on gun broker were much higher upwards of 100 dollars

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>>34567931
yea they go all over the place, but I would cap that one at $80.

it is exceptionally nice, but they do pop up in that condition fairly often, so unless you really really want it now, try not to go into 3 digit$

>>34567955
oh fugg

I Live in new york, are bayonets specifically illegal to own? I just wanted to put it on my enfield then put my enfield on my wall or something.

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>>34564804
Does anyone know of any good websites that specifically deal in mausers? I haven't found anything I like on brokegunner and I hear bad things about mitchell's mausers. I want to buy a vz24 or a m48 yugo to supplement my collection.

>>34568004
Allen's Armoury has cool rifles more often than not.

>>34568004
southern ohio gun has some yugos right now

>>34568000

Is it cool? Would banning it produce no benefit whatsoever? Then it's probably illegal in New York.

>>34568000
no, they are legal as long as you dont intend to use it to stab anyone.

>>34568027
>>34568030
I just want to mount my rifle on my wall, and occasionally take my rifle off the wall and shoot it (obviously without the bayonet)

>>34567747
Neato

Huh...

I didn't expect to win this: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/666532167

One a scale of 0/dun, how much did I goof?

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>>34559137
my man, I've got a VKT too - it's a '42

>>34568105
just by a little. People will say you overpaid but if you want to buy guns these days you almost always have to overpay

>>34568046
New York Weapons Statute states, in one section— §265.1(2) that one may possess, for instance, a dagger, dangerous knife, dirk or stiletto as along as he or she has no intent to use the same unlawfully against another. However, a related section provides that if one possesses such a knife, the possession is presumptive evidence that the individual also had an unlawful intent. In effect, the otherwise innocent possessor must present evidence to rebut or overcome the presumption.

This problem is further complicated by the fact that while “dagger,” “dirk” and “razor” afford some minimal guidance as to what must be avoided, “dangerous knife” could be anything.

The Court of Appeals of New York has established judicial guidelines as to what constitutes a dangerous knife. Firstly, it may be any knife which, by reason of its design or other characteristics, “is primarily intended for use as a weapon.” Secondly, it may be a common utilitarian utensil “converted into a weapon.” Thirdly, it may be a common utilitarian knife unmodified or not designed as a weapon, but by reason of the circumstances of possession and/or the “context of activity.” In re Jamie D., 59 N. Y,2d 589 (1983). In this particular case, a “steak knife” was determined to be a dangerous weapon.

There was a dissenting judge who observed that as to dangerous knife, “the term is undefined and almost beyond salvage by judicial construction because all knives are dangerous.”

Notwithstanding this dissent, In re Jamie D. appears to be the standard test under New York law whether a particular knife or similar utensil may be found to be a “dangerous knife.” It has endured for thirty (30) years. Application of this test is a matter for the fact finder, whether it be a jury or a judge.

>>34568105

breddy good

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>>34568046
>>34568144
you should be fine owning it, I just wouldnt take it outside or show it to people.

once you have the means, you can always move out of NY to a free state

>>34568144
Sounds like I should be ok.

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>>34567847
>my rifle is from 1918.
Ayyy mine too!
>Would that still be correct?
Yes. SMLE Mk.III was introduced in 1907.
>>34567894
>Any of the makers? Sanderson wilkson?
Any. Mine is J. Chapman & Co. made in 1916.

>>34568144
Fucking New York.

>>34567010
That's just my milisurps son. I'm looking to buy an arisaka and mauser

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>>34568105
Overpaid because no bayonet. Paid 400 for this one last month. Only thing that doesn't match is the bolt.

>>34567757
Supposedly the majority of the Filipino ones are in rough shape. So we're definitely going to see more rebuilt ones there. Also since South Korea bought theirs those will have to be imported by someone, my guess is Century.

Nice Ping. Who made her?

What the fuck is this dogshit?

>>34567830
I tried bidding on this and apparently I got outbid twice in a row going from 53 and 55 dollars.

some kind of gay ass marketbot bidding?

>>34568224

Thanks! Springfield Armory.

>>34568235

You know how auction sites work right? You put in your max bid, but it only goes up to the next increment. If you're outbid, but not by enough to beat your max then the site auto-bids up to the next increment.

>>34568253
>You know how auction sites work right? You put in your max bid, but it only goes up to the next increment. If you're outbid, but not by enough to beat your max then the site auto-bids up to the next increment.
No I know that but I was INSTANTLY outbid. I've never used ebay before. I put in 54 dollars and it instantly jumped to 55 then I bid 56 and it instantly bid 57

>>34568201
When I said collection, I was referring specifically to a milsurp collection in particular.

>>34568270
yea dude, thats how it works.

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>>34568201
>I'm looking to buy an arisaka and mauser
Terrible guns do not buy.

>>34568270

That's exactly how it works. Someone else has a max bid higher than what you bid, so it automatically, immediately, bids up to the next increment.

>>34568222

Bah! I didn't even look that close because I didn't expect to win it. I should learn my lesson about doing that. Looks like it's not easy to find MAS 36 bayonets either.

>>34568270
Its called autobidding, you can bid a certain amount but you set a hard cap at what you're more or less passively bidding on and you'll pay up to that amount. Its a scummy shitty system that pretty much disables anyone from paying that price because people can just set automatic jumps to immediately outbid you.

>>34567811
The what now?
>>34568105
It is a bringback so I'd say you did alright, maybe on the higher end but still.

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>>34568298
mausers are cool I agree with you about arisakas though

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>>34568298
Sploosh

>>34568312
I thought you had a screencap of that SAT Finn that sold for 13k

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>>34568324
>mausers are cool
No there terrible I should no.

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>>34568340
Long Arisaka is the best Arisaka.

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>>34568348
Oh god no but I wish I did.
>>34568379
ACTUAL Arisaka is the best Arisaka... visually.

>>34568298
Opposite day it is I guess.

>>34567460
This

>>34559137
>stupid congress let us have 1911s ree

>>34568561
Its up to the Secretary of the Army to pass the pistols to the CMP. The bill passed years ago

>>34568273
Lol, I have 4 different nations rifles. What more does it need?

>>34568844
>>34568273
Well, 5 actually

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I think I'll sell the arisakas. Not sure what a good price for a cut bolt rifle with christanthemom, and a last ditch.

>>34563162
Canadian detected

>>34568950
was the the rifle that was on the EE?

>>34568888

What do you mean by 'cut'?

>>34568844

Buy what you want, don't let other people dictate what you choose to own.

>>34568888
Is that a Type 38?

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>>34568379
This guy gets it

>>34569035
The bolt handle is cut off to demil it.
>>34569051
Second from the right is. Technically a last ditch rifle. It is really slapdash.

Anyone have experience loading 6.5 Carcano with the Hornady .267s?

>>34569088
What's the one in the middle?

>>34568844
>>34568861

Don't let me dictate your collection by any means. For my own collection, I try to have a (somewhat, for now) diverse array of bolt mechanism type. You have a cool array of countries and they're really nice examples of each.

>>34569163
Sorry, got it backwards. Middle is type 38. Seconds from right is type 38. I'll try to take a better overall picture.

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>>34568179
My parents just bought me both of these, since they are on vacation in Maine right now and they now I love all things milsurp. $80 for both. Good deal or no?

>>34569230
Jesus that bayo's long enough to be a shortsword

>>34569286

That's what a lot of them were.

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>>34568561
>>34568640
I may be able to help there. Last time I was at the CMP in Anniston (thank god i only live an hour away) I asked the worker there about the 1911s and he said that although the bill passed, it merely allows the CMP to sell 1911s. On top of that, like >>34568640 said, the Secretary of the Army (or some other high-up brass, can't remember) needs to release the pistols to the CMP to sell. Since no one wants to be the guy who releases a bunch of pistols to the public, it may take forever to happen. The pistols also need to be sold out of a completely separate store that will need an FFL and that will take time, resources, and new hires to make happen. Then if a SINGLE pistol is used in a crime, regardless if it was stolen or not, the program can get shut down. Now taking into account all of this, once/if they get the pistols, they will need to go over them and do arsenal work on them like they do the garands, which can take upwards of 12 months. So basically, just fuck my shit up.

>>34569230
The last thread told you it was a good deal already lol

Nice bayos

>>34569338
So, pretty obvious it ain't gonna happen

>>34569338

I really wish we lived in a world where sanity was a thing.

Just wait until the Democrats try to close down the entire CMP (including rifles) after one crime with a CMP 1911.

>>34569225
How much you want for that one? The middle one I mean.

>>34569386
that might takes years if ever. I dont think anyone buying a cmp1911 is planning on using it for crime.

that being said ill buy one asap

>>34569386
>really wish we lived in a world where sanity was a thing.
>implying normies don't function almost purely off of emotion

Sorry man.

>>34569435

Oh I know, believe me I know.

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What do you all use for targets when plinking with milsurp? Milk cartons and other similar containers filled with water are always fun to blow up.

>>34569521
store bought paper targets

>>34569379
Yeah it's a damn shame.

>>34569386
From the way he described it, and I didn't actually read the law and verify if a crime is committed it is automatically shut down, there is no need for the Dems to try to shut it down, it's built in. On the other hand, it's good that the rules require the pistols to be in a completely separate FFL, so hopefully the rifles will be insulated legally.

All in all, the CMP is kind of our best kept secret, A LOT of gun owners don't even know it exists let alone the ty0pical gun grabber types. If they ever found out, there would be a shit storm.

>>34569521
Cardboard targets and occasionally some steel from work.

>>34569386
>>34569432
Forgot to add, the guy at the counter said that if one was used in a crime, it would be shut down regardless of circumstance. He told me that even if a upstanding citizen buys one and loves it dearly, then a street youth busts into his house and steals it and goes on to commit a crime with the stolen pistol, the program still gets shuttered. Even if the gun is reported stolen. And to deter giving out cheap murder gats, he didn't expect them to sell for any less that $1,200.

>>34559137
What rounds does msg put through their enfields? I've used Hornajew SP and HP to decent effect. I've also turned my enfield into a musket by firing wolf brass cased FMJ (rounds were too thin to engage the rifling)

I'm looking for a new round to try out that won't be over $1/round.

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>>34566442
>Shit sights
Most milsurp have bad sights, trip.

>Heavy
8.2 lb to 8.82 lb, damn. I never knew half a pound was that much weight.

>Bad ergos
Kinda subjective, pal.

>Complex action
Yes. Its a straight pull.

>No primary extraction
Ok?

>Cardboard chargers
They're awesome and fast. Also if you are worried about them being fucked up by water they are coated in a wax.

I will say this of why I chose the K31 over the MAS for an enjoyable, accurate shooter:

>Ammo is cheaper, 57 cents per round vs 73 cents per round as of this post.
>Other lefties bitch, but the bolt works for me. The "ergo" comment is subjective.
>It has a safety
>Bolt locks at the front and not the rear
>Finally if my windage is off I can actually adjust my sights without having to track down new parts.

>>34569627
I've shot ppu at about .60-.70 a round. Their bullets are actually .312, not .308 like wolf

>>34569575

That's one of the most obvious points to make about how stupid shutting it down would be, and how stupid blocking the Garands was/is.

All the shit that the CMP is selling costs more and is objectively worse than newer guns. A criminal isn't going to pay $800 for a Garand when they can pay $500 for a C308 (assuming they even WANTED a battle rifle, which almost none do).

They also aren't going to spend $1000+ for a 1911 when they can buy a Hi-Point for $200, a Glock for $500 and a new manufacture 1911 for about the same.

But I'm preaching to the choir, we all know it's bullshit.

>>34569645

I need to find a good place to take pics.

>>34569670
That should work. I slugged the bore of mine, came out to .312, then checked wolf and it was .308. I intend to take them up on their 100% satisfaction guarantee and get my money back.

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>>34569694
That was taken on some rocks next to a pool. What is important is lighting, cloudy days make rifles and funs in particular look sexy as all hell.

>>34569675
Exactly, but because there are no "background checks" it makes career politicians super nervous to have their name associated so they decide to make it all cost prohibited. Even if they were $500, gangbangers would still buy hipoints, jimenezs and .22s. The pistols will even have background checks.

It is especially ridiculous when you think that the public paid for those pistols through taxes and war bonds, and now we have to buy them back again. Can you imagine if you wanted a sig 320 and had to pay for it to be made, and then had to pay full price on top of that? It'd be like paying 500 for a gun on gunbroker, having it shipped to your ffl and then having to pay then full price again to the ffl to actually take possession

>>34569743
Let us know how that goes. Nothing wrong with taking a mic to the store either.

>>34569760

I just feel like most of the options around my place are too...brown.

>>34569775

To be fair, there's a fair amount of work going INTO the guns, and it's not like they can reasonably give them away, though a lottery system might be interesting, and prevent hoarding.

It's no different than any other entity purchasing an item and then re-selling it when they are done.

>>34569790
I understand, but it ticks me off. I just feel like the cmp should be an actual nonprofit. Just charging enough to keep people paid and the lights on. The prices they are charging/will be charging shouldn't be up there with the prices in the private sector. But I have to be realistic.

>>34569870

Well, I think that they should aim to be just under market price personally. I'd like to see their firearms arm operating as a fund-raising for things like building and maintaining ranges in public lands and stuff like that.

Would be cool if they were allowed to sell any 'surp that the military captures.

>>34569790
What do you live in the desert?

>>34559255
how does the k11 compare to the k31?
Also, what is a good price for one??

>>34569913

Nah, just a lot of dirt around. Grass too, but dumping a gun in the grass doesn't seem like much better of an idea. No idyllic little rock gardens, tree stumps or attractive stairs available. Honestly the best place I can think of around here is on the coffee table...

Pic related.
>>34560527

>>34560527
Where did you buy that?

>>34569944
if you want a k11 buy this one

https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=8235&idcategory=

its in great shape and very fairly priced.

>>34562752
My friend just inherited a carbine version. The bolt was glorious.

>>34569968

The internet.

Why?

>>34569908
That's a good point. It did help them build that fantastic range in talladega, maybe they can build some similar ones in places where people other that those of us that live in the same state can go to.

>>34565096
nigga what

>>34568379
but carbine a cute

Another thread had this, so who knows

https://mikerogers.house.gov/press-release/rogers-ndaa-good-east-alabama

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>>34569944

It's generally considered the smokeless Swiss rifle commonly available with the least accuracy potential. The bedding, trigger and sight radius aren't the best compared to its brethren.

The K-31 is considered the opposite. That being said they're both probably more accurate than you'll be able to take advantage of. Buy what you like best!

>t. swiss rifle lover

>>34570065

What part of that post are you having trouble understanding?

>>34570145

I want to cuddle all the carbines.

>>34570324

Very nice. Most likely it'll happen then.

>>34570327

>yfw you want to own all of them, but you have other things you need to get first.

>>34569521
Heretics

I bought a sporterized p14 with everything good except for the stock being cut down. And it was 200 cabadaroos.

I couldn't pass up on it, any ideas where I can get a replacement stock, and any place to find a full list of items I'd need?

Stock, upper stock pieces? Front band, middle band.? I'm new ;_;

Gun is in the mail pics on Tuesday.

>>34570421

Without pics we can't be sure. But you can compare it to other pics and see where the cut is, anything forward of that will have to be replaced.

>>34569944
Anon that you replied to.

To me, the biggest difference in the two is how slim the older Schmidt Rubin rifles are compared to the quite chunky K31. I really prefer a slim and elegant feeling rifle, and the 1896/11 and 1911 pattern rifles give me that feel I prefer.

For me, it's simply the feel, and I like the older ones better

>>34569987
I already have a K31 and 96/11, and I want to keep diversifying my collection towards as different bolt actions as I can afford, but this is really tempting...

>>34570462
Thing is I found most parts for sale around like upper hand guard and stuff. But the whole lower stock from but plate to fore end is one piece.

It was an upgrade over the older no1 mk 3 with like 3 section of lower stock

I need to find the whole lower stock and I can't find one anywhere.

>>34569230
The p1907 alone is worth probably $80-100

>>34569386
>being shot with a 1911
>assuming there's any evidence of a crime other than the reminence of a cloud of sparks and dust.

Are K31 barrels really a chromium nickel steel alloy?

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>>34568379
what about short long arisaka?

>>34570334
I'm finding it hard to believe that someone is having trouble putting on a sling

>>34568997
Yeah it was. Sad thing is that's one of the better deals I've seen on the EE.

>>34570728
If you wanna send me one to hit up in my spectrometer we can find out.

>>34570748
Neat. I actually don't own one, I'm just reasearching Swisssmallarms manufacturing techniques. I picked up a SAN 551 and was curious. Fwiw I found some references to the the Swiss usinga chromium alloy opposed to chrome lining their bores

So I'm finally trying to get a C&R license, and I'm just a little confused about the Chief Law Enforcement Officer bit. My city doesn't have a PD, it has a county sheriff's office, so do I put the name of the county sheriff? And do I mail a copy of the application to his house or to the sheriff's office? And why should I have to let him know about this anyways

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>>34565096
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixlObx_h0x8

>>34570738
it's kind of difficult because you need to take the sling stud out and push it back through. some people may think it's meant to stay. the buckle also is free floating on the sling so it certainly is confusing to some extent.

>>34570781

Yes.

Office.

Because gun grabbers.

>>34570807
fuck this gay earth
Pretty sure my county sheriff is ant-gun cuck too
[spoiler]LA County[/nospoiler]

>>34570863

Not sure if they can actually prevent you from getting the license. Maybe show up in person and dress nice.

>>34570863
Pretty sure he can't actually refuse to sign the document. It's not actually a requirement

>>34571011
well that's good news
I'll send the application tomorrow. I still wish we had a better sheriff though, so that I would be able to CC

>>34570772
Using a Chrome steel really wouldn't have anything to do with chrome lining the bores.

>>34570781
I just dropped a copy off at my local PD. In your case, I would assume that means going to the county sheriff's office and telling the front desk guy you have something for the sheriff. He doesn't need to sign off on it - the only reason he gets a copy is so he could call the ATF if he thinks you're a criminal but you don't have a record that would stop you owning guns.

>>34569338
>>34569386
be patient. I met one of the guy's that does the inspections. Theres only 3 guys to go through each and every gun.

thats why it takes sooo long for new batches to hit CMP.

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Arisaka Master Race!
Too bad 7.7 ammo costs an arm and a leg otherwise I would shoot it more often. :(

>>34571215

Reload.

>>34571227
I always thought of doing that but I don't have the equipment or know how.

>>34571244

The equipment isn't that expensive, and the know-how is largely available in book/internet form.

Triple-check your shit the first time you set it up and you probably won't have to set it up ever again.

>>34570863
sheriff/Leo cant deny you, its just so they can give the atf a heads up if they believe you to be a criminal. i dropped mine off at the wrong police department and still got my c&r

>>34571244

$100 MSRP for a 7.7 press and die set. The crappiest Lee press though, so you'd probably want to spend a little more.

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May as well put the last nail in this one.

>>34569431
$80?

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/k/ What's my gun? Granddad got it somewhere or other and the firing bolt's out. Has 1883 stamped on it. Have close-ups. I think it's some kind of vetterli but I'm not sure.

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>>34572916
Italian Vetterli-Vitali M1870/87/15. An old black-powder repeated updated to 6.5x52 Carcano for emergency use during WW1.

>>34572938
Fucking rad. Thanks man. Always thought that thing looked like a musket with a bolt action stapled on.

>http://www.gunbroker.com/item/669786738

lebel with buyout of 1.1 grand

was seriously contemplating saying fuck it and buying out.

should I?

>>34573011
>a musket with a bolt action stapled on.
He didn't mean it was a musket converted to bolt action; he meant it's a black powder bolt action converted to smokeless carcano cartridges.

Was conceived as an emergency war rifle while Italy was getting BTFO at that point in WWI.

>>34573101
If having it now is worth the 400 you might save by being patient, yes.

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>>34565096
It'll look like this when done. If you bought an original sling and if it's rubberized I would suggest you NOT try to install it. It'll just fall apart.

>>34571112
No they literally omitted chrome lining the bore, instead the entire barrel in chf chromium nickel steel

whats the best way to clean surface rust/contain it? i was going to use wd40 and a rag but im not 100% it wont harm the finish. its a type 38. also should i use something besides clp on my milsurp? ive got a couple bottles so i just use it for everything right now.

>>34573669
Wire brush

>>34569782
>>34569670
Well I called them and the customer service rep said the bullet was the correct diameter, and that it has to be measured at then base of the bullet, pulled out of the case. I read online that another customer got the same response. I lied and said I pulled the round from the case to measure it. He then said to email him so we can start the return process anyways.

I guess he knows that he's full of shit and that there's no way the round could be wider at the base of the bullet without the neck of the casing being bulged out.