Does the ATF actually arrest people over a foregrip like this?

who the hell puts a foregrip on a pistol?

>>34551369
Probably LEOs are fucking weird bunch.
Cool to own a handgun but put a stock on it its and assault rifle.
Stupid fucking people get to write laws.

>>34551369
ATF can't arrest anyone. They can fine you. Or bust in your house with a tank, have a shootout on your roof, and burn your children.

Y'know, whatever's easier.

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>>34551397
think of it this way:

If these gungrabbers are actually firearm literate, we'd actually get well written laws that fuck us a lot more because they know exactly what to do.

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>>34551421
That's not legal. Here's what an American """"""""""""""""""""""""""MP5-K""""""""""""""""""""""""" looks like. i.e. it's completely lost all of it's aesthetics because of ATF faggots and faggoty laws.

>>34551456
I would take a high paying consulting job as long as I have protected status and ruin everyone's life and am in the process of this.

>>34551549
I feel like the weapon would handle better with a foregrip.

>>34551561
Probably would. As a matter of fact, it's less safe in it's American configuration because your hand is closer to that short as shit barrel.

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>>34551402
Or not arrest you in town so your buddy Schumer has legislation in place to disarm the Goy so you can bomb a building and get rid of your illegal coke dealing files.

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>>34551369
Is this legal? As a way to store a spare mag.

>>34551566
Can't you just hold it by the magwell?

>>34551607
Seems like a good way to encourage malfunctions.

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>>34551596
Send a letter to the atf and find out.

>>34551596
That looks dangerous as fuck

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>>34551841
you really think so?

well you played yourself kid

czechmate

>>34551369
I have an old american gunsmith book that details how to build a 1911 full auto with fore grip

So badly wanna build one
>I'm not in the usa so suck my fuck atf

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>>34551849
Kek

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>>34551369
Nobody has ever been arrested for this, and I bet you can't find a single case where it happened.

>>34553354
If anything, it's a "Tack on" charge.

Like "Oh yeah we caught this felon with a gun, and he made it an illegal "SBR" so more time in the slammer.

VFGs on pistols doesn't fit the definition of a AOW, according to the ATF's own website.

>>34551849
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>>34553377
No. ANGLED foregrips on pistols don't fit the definitions.

VFGs do.

>>34553385
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-national-firearms-act-definitions-any

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>>34553385
>angled foregrip on pistol
i'd be fucking scared to shoot one like that.

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>>34551596

The roni has that feature (not a foregrip, a mag holder)

>>34553391
https://www.atf.gov/file/97256/download

>>34553408
doesn't work for me.

>>34553428
https://www.google.com/search?q=vertical+foregrip+on+pistol&oq=vertical+foregrip+on+pistol&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l4.3385j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

First fucking result. It's a PDF.

>>34553428
It says.

"ATF has long held that by installing a vertical fore grip on a handgun, the handgun is no longer designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand. Therefore, if individuals install a vertical fore grip on a handgun, they are “making” a firearm requiring registration with ATF’s NFA Branch. Making an unregistered “AOW” is punishable by a fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. Additionally, possession of an unregistered “AOW” is also punishable by fine and 10 years’ imprisonment. "

>>34553437
hmmm.

I can't get to any ATF pages, except the one i linked.

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>>34551390
Is handy if you want to put an stock

>>34551369

where can i find a weaver/picatinny version of that mp5k style foregrip?

>>34553391
>>34553437
>US federal government agency
>expecting them to agree with themselves

>>34551596
I know CA bans it specifically. But then again, it's CA.

>>34553829
what in the godamn hell is this monstrosity

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>>34551549
just buy a grip yourself, they are like $50 though

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>>34553904
a doggo sacrificing machine

>>34553391
You're a dumbass

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>>34553385
>>34553391
>>34553459
>>34553437

AFG on pistol

>>34551390
>What is an ak/ar pistol?

>>34551694
This a million times. This.
I don't see what having a front grip on a pistol would do besides steady your repeating fire. Say you were mag dumping or had an automatic.

Honestly ive shot AOW pistols, even automatics and it is super over-hyped. Sure they're fun but usually not worth the ammo and added wear on the firearm.

>>34553890
Nigga what are you doing posting during CA's mandatory Islam/LGBT/BLM observance hour. It's like you want to have your 10 round magazines forcefully removed.

>>34554437
They're full of shit. A Federal judge already ruled that a VFG added to a handgun does not make an AOW.

>>34551710
I'll do it. Will they still fuck me if the return address is from a leaf?

>>34554658
But are you willing to risk your pupper that the ATF wouldn't bust you anyways? You'd win in court but you'd still be buttfucked in prison in the meantime.

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The only time that its gone to court that I can recall the judge said it was bullshit.

http://www.titleii.com/bardwell/us_v_davis2.txt

Remember that the ATF cannot write laws, and their opinions are merely opinions.

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I agree it is a stupid law and should be allowed.

Another one that pisses me off is the dumb ruling that pistol caliber carbines MUST have that 16 inch barrel.
Anyways. Surprised no one has posted this. This is why I'll never shoot any handgun with a foregrip.

https://youtu.be/11fcg543Jow

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>>34555039

>>34554906
WHO THE FUCK CARES. if you wanna be paranoid, keep hiding in your bushes every night with a steak knife

>>34555039
That guy took it like a champ. Also, thanks for sharing

>>34555039
Seems like the set up in OPs pic would be fine as long as you held onto it?

>>34555039

Could the guy file a lawsuit against the people who made the grip?

>>34551456
lol

Ok kids, allow me to learn you some knowledge....

Very few politicians in DC actually give a fuck about anything other than reelection.

To get reelected they have to satiate as many people as possible. Which often includes moderate swing votes and other in their districts.

In Ye Olden days, dem politicians would pass bullshit toothless bans on cosmetic features because they 1) didn't understand how things worked and more importantly 2) they wanted the moderate vote, and the union votes of the guys and gals working in firearms manufacturing and the industries that it supports.

Now things have changed though, the dems, because there are a lot more political activists with a goal, rather than just politicos who want reelection, have become more serious about actually banning things, fortunately at this time they're still pretty stupid about it.

>>34555039
>WBP
I knew this was florida just from the shirt.

>>34551561
it does

a stock also makes a huge difference

>>34555203
Absolutely not. It wasn't built for glocks and it was a converted glock 17. Not even judge judy would hear that case.

>>34551607
>>34551694
it doesnt induce malfunctions on properly made german guns because the mag barely moves when its locked and the magwell extends so far down

the area does get hot after a lot of shooting though

>>34553890
Is that the "magazine outside the pistol grip" clause? I always figured that was targeted at the TEC-9.

Found a picture of a typical dog shooter on google.

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>>34554044
So, are you telling me that this is an SBR? why? I just put an stock in my pistol?

>>34551596
I doubt it because all the CZ-75's in the US by default lack that part to attach a magazine like that.

How is this even enforceable though?

Will an ATF or local PD officer drop out of a tree when you're at the range in an area by yourself? How would they ever know if you attached a !vertical! foregrip for a few mags or keep a pistol by your bedside with one on it?

How the fuck would anybody anywhere ever know?

>>34551390
Someone who wants their dog to get shot.

>>34558197
Yes, because it can be fired from the shoulder which makes it a "short barreled rifle". Literally makes no damn sense.

>>34558322
It exists for gotcha scams and fear-mongering like everything the ATF does. Even judges are sick of their shit, they're closer to a secret police than an investigation agency.

>>34551369
yes

>>34553374
I feel like that's the same for a lot of these dopey laws. Like, they're only used to fuck with criminals.
NYer here, there was a case a while back where some guy was arrested for DWI. Charges were dropped but he had three 17 rounders with him so he got 15 years for that.

>>34558197
You can do whatever you want to your Airsoft TEC-9.......regs only apply to real guns

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>>34551369
Wait these foregrips are illegal? Why?

>>34562119
Your mouth are asking questions that your dog can't cash now anon.
Do not question the ATF.

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>>34562177
W-what dog?

>>34554997

ATF plays a very smooth game. They try not to get anything pushed "too far" up the appeals chain, so in many cases they'll just drop the issue or get the person to plea to a misdemeanor fine or something.

>>34551369
Let me prefix this by saying I have never, will never and do not encourage others to break federal firearm laws.

That said, why dont you people just do whatever the fuck you want? Making an sbr is easy as fuck, making an sbs is basically as easy as owning a hacksaw, putting a pistol grip on a pistol is a 3 second endeavor that can be reversed at any time. The ATF is unconstitutional. No one would ever know you own illegal firearms unless you go bragging about it. You could probably even post the shit online if you claimed it was registered and your dog would be okay.

>>34563517
The biggest reason is that the majority of people here are forced into gun ranges since they don't have sufficient property or nearby deserts/forests to shoot in. Interacting with the public means there's always a chance of running into someone who could report you or arrest you.

>>34563662
Then just drive out somewhere to shoot your no-no items and use your range appropriate items at the indoor range.

>>34554997
>Remember that the ATF cannot write laws, and their opinions are merely opinions.
Remember that for most people, getting taken to court and WINNING is still the ass-raping of their life.

>>34551849
did someone drill tiny holes into it freehand?

>>34564153
>>34564188
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>>34565288
Probably deactivated

>>34553890
CA law says nothing of spare magazine stowage. it is talking about handguns that functionally have the magazine located outside of the poistol grip. Ala Tec-9 and MP5K pistols.

>>34555404
You are correct.

>>34551596
It's angled not vertical so technically, yes it is legal. In court though you would have to show and prove you are correct so have a plan and presentation to do that.

>>34553374
FIFTEEN YEARS!!!! For bullet containers!

WHat the actual fuck

>>34569530
It's funny how gun laws are so frequently arranged to make using guns dangerous.
>You want to shoot your gun? You better go deaf to do it, no silencer.
>You want a second grip for your gun? It better be positioned to shoot your knuckles off.
>You want to use a gun for self-defense in some states? You can't use bullets that are built to kill people.
By funny I mean insane.

>>34569585
Yup, laws to protect the rich are insane. Welcome to slavery 7.0.

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>>34551390
italians

>>34562240
The dog that the ATF will shoot if you put a vertical foregrip on your pistol.