How would wars be different today if chemical weapons were legal

>>34547640
No one would ever want to enlist and all militaries would be made up completely of conscripts.

There'd be a lot less people in the middle east.

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>>34547640
SUBMARINE EBOLA GAS TIPPED ICBMs, all new counter measures would have to be made, some metal gear shit son

>>34547640
Robot technology would make the greatest advancements we'd ever seen.

>>34547640
If they were used conventionally and commonly, then they'd be able to easily get into the hands of insurgents.
Which means that Western occupation of those countries would never be sustainable.
It'd also mean that there'd be a shit ton more civilian deaths.

>>34547736
Not really, sarin can be made in a farm lab if that Japanese cult. The problem is getting the precursors, sure you can make crystals with bleach and such but at most you'll irritate people's sinuses, better to just blow people up or ram a truck into their celebrations.

>>34547756
The issue would be foreign state suppliers, not Jihadis making it themselves

>>34547776
Then it'll mainly stay in the middle East then because you can make the same argument for explosives.

>>34547640
Really quick probably

>>34547800
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
The difference is that an occupation would untenable with NBC weapons flying around.

>>34547822
Not really, chemical weapons suck but aren't much worse or harder to defend against than conventional munitions except you need to have a gas mask on more and need to focus on decontamination measures more. This also forgets the occupying force can hit back just as hard and will be much more justified in perimeter measures.

Chemical weapons are kind of hard to justify even if there were no moral qualms in a warfare scenario, entire battles will stretch weeks as you wait for contested cities to clear out.

>>34547640
Why would they be conventionally used? Did the normal shells disappear?
They're not in use today because there are better weapons to do the job.
The chemical weapon ban is just a gentleman thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Five_Weapons

>M1 Biodart (E1) A 7.62mm rifle cartridge with a sabot surrounding a flechette with exterior grooves filled with either botulinum toxin A (XR), saxitoxin (TZ), or possibly a combination of the two. There were 4,450 filled and 5,315 unfilled M1s in the arsenal at the time of its destruction.

>M2 Separable Bullet (E2) A 7.62mm rifle cartridge with a hollow metal bullet containing dry-type botulinum toxin A (XR), or a simulant. The bullet would release a puff of aerosol on impact. Anthrax (TR) was another possible fill. There were 71,696 filled, an 14,046 unfilled M2s in the arsenal at the time of its destruction.

The M1 Biodart would have gone well with the various flechette firing weapons of the Cold War.

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>>34547640
More unmanned vehicles/robots

NBC suits would advance and actually be useful instead of "maybe keep you alive long enough to decontamination" proof.

That and we'd have battle mechs and power armor with internal cbrn filters. And houses would float in the sky to be safe from chem attacks. Pretty much the jetsons.

>>34547864
>gas mask
>"perimeter"

It seems like you dont even know what chem can do in the battlefield.

>>34549798
Enlighten me then faggotron

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>>34547640
>wearing promasks without any other mopp gear

to answer your question, it would suck for everyone alot more because every combatant would constantly operate at full protective posture.

A chem suit is heavy, its hot, and its worn over your full regular uniform. The standard M40 promask (pictured above) cuts down your oxygen intake by about half. Its also impossible to get a proper cheek weld on your weapon while wearing a mask which means good luck shooting anything more than 50 feet away

The combat effectiveness of troops operating at full mopp 4 is so fucking low it might as well be zero.

Contrary to what people seem to commonly believe around here chemical agents aren't particular dangerous to properly equipped troops. A huge pain in the ass yes. Which is exactly there purpose an area denial weapon

these types of weapons in the hands of clueless morons? they get used and they're either ineffective due to weather or terrain or the soldiers wind up killing themselves

heres a short read

http://thebulletin.org/chemical-weapons-dangerous-ineffective-combat

>>34550087
I feel like we'd have adaptations for some of the issues if chemical warfare was prevalent. Like air pumps for the mask and alternative aiming methods. It'd still be heavy and clunky overall though

>>34547640
>just like in my zombie movies!

>>34547640
We would have zombies xD

>>34547640
everyone would be prancing around in moderately self-sustaining space spandex suits like in dune or like what NASA is planning for the future

>>34547864
>Bro how the fuck is chemical warfare real, like nigga just wear a gas mask

Retardation

>>34549862
Not that guy but "just have a gas mask on more" doesn't begin to cover it, you need to eliminate any possibility of skin contact which means full body suits at all times of potential exposure. Doing anything in that shit is a royal PITA as is decontaminating everything you could conceivably touch after any suspected attack. Sure the gear would be better if it was getting used and the designs iterated on more frequently, but it would still be a major hindrance on doing anything.

>>34547640
Much more emphasis on mechanised warfare and staying buttoned up. It's far easier to protect a vehicle than it is individual soldiers, and far easier to drive it into a decontamination truck wash and blast the thing down with neutralising agents than it is to do the same for individual grunts and their gear all the time.

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>>34547640
>How would wars be different today if chemical weapons were legal and conventionally used?
>What was Iran-Iraq war?

>>34550087
Did you ever train for battle in full CBRN gear? I did. It's like a regular ex but with 10 times the succ. It's hard to shoot anything with a gas mask on and that's the least of your problems.

As a chemist, I'd probably have a decent job for once

>>34552327
I can't seriously believe it took this long for someone to bring this up. Everyone, go do your reading on this war and then come back to the discussion.

>>34550087
My mos in the army was cbrn 74d so yeah I spent a lot of time wearing that shit

it was a long time ago but I still remember most of my stuff

>>34547694
>ebola
>chemical

>>34547640

It would be the same except more people would die

there would be more civilian motherfuckers walking around with oxygen tanks

>>34547640
you wouldnt have war because the usual offenders would have been gassed

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>>34547640
You'd have a lot fewer soldiers on the battlefield and probably more vehicles with CBRN filtering equipment installed.
Western armies would completely curb stomp the third world armies that couldn't afford the CBRN protective gear.

Chemfag here.AMA

>>34547640
The US would have probably put a shit tone of those cold war era DARPA dollars into making some sort of Air Conditioned MOPP Suits. Which might be pretty neat.

>>34547640
>How would wars be different today if chemical weapons were legal and conventionally used?

medical research into vaccines against the agents used would be the principal defense.

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>>34547640
>MFW VX NERVE GAS TIPPED ICBMs

>>34547640
there wouldn't be any wars, we would all be dead

>>34547640
Massive funding towards fully-sealed power armor.

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>>34554719

>>34552327
>they even wore horizon blue
truly it was a mini WW1

>>34547640
ww1

>>34547640

MOPP gear wouldn't be so fucking shit because the officers would demand something more comfy.

Everyone would wear gas masks, making war seem more dehumanizing.

>>34549714
>good NBC suits
>living in the sky.

You just went from 0-100mph in 2 seconds

>>34547640
I hate how ridiculously cool gas masks look but in reality they have a very limited range of use and generally aren't practical.

>>34556945
That sounds pessimistic.