>On 13 July following a joint cabinet meeting of the two countries,

We discussed this yesterday. Euro defense projects are often a clusterfrack.

>>34542265
At least Spain will also join the next gen fighter party.

>>34542265
>One more step in the EU agenda to make the nations disappear
Don't be fooled by these fancy weapons, their goal is not to defend us.

>>34543247
Also a new attack helicopter

>>34543247
Go to bed Putin, nobody likes you.

>>34543280
I said "defend us" dumbo, I'm either French or German.
What OP doesn't say is that both countries (their leaders) want to move their defense under a EU army out of the control of their respective assemblies. That's why Macron cuts the defense budget while promising a 2% of GDP goal... for 2025. Date on which he expects the EU army to replace a then weakened national army.
Get it?

>>34542265
>tfw you realise the true purpose of an EU army
>brexit entices more countries to leave EU
>Armpitoslavia democratically decides to leave EU
>EU sends in army for 'peacekeeping purposes'

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>>34544350
>Brexit does anything

France-German cooperation is the only future with many European companies in the military industry being multi-national already.

Airbus isn't gonna do two different aircraft for France and Germany.

>France
>Collaborative projects
expect the program to fall through thanks to France insisting the program meets only French requirements while ignoring everyone else. France doesn't want collaboration - they want the rest of Europe to subsidize their defense industry.

Germany also got a detailed briefing about the capacities of the F-35.

>>34542265
>Did we enter the era of glorious new powerhouse?
lolno German military is still laughably incompetent

>>34542265
>France
Dassault gonna sink the project once again?

>>34544350
>>34544381

Brexit is doing nothing but humiliating the Brits.

https://www.rt.com/uk/396306-brexit-bill-pay-eu/

>>34544797
RT is not a source

>>34544797
>Germany will do anything because of their car industry
>only 10% of all cars produced in Germany gets exported to the UK
>while over 50% of all cars produced in the UK gets exported to other EU countries
>Japanese car companies can't use the UK as hub for their Europe business anymore - also the incoming EU-Japan free trade deal

A way of killing the rest of your car industry. Also I bet Rolls-Royce is super happy how Brexit fucks their business for their engines with Europe.

So if the EU goes full own shit.

How butthurt will Trump get?

considering how much the tiger (Attack heli) is a piece of shit, this will probably reflect.

>>34542265
France, a nation with a proud military tradition, has finally allowed itself to be enslaved by the Germans. Napoleon, Foch and de Gaulle would be turning in their graves.

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>>34549617
>France, a nation with a proud military tradition

>>34542265
Oh look, it's another attempt to copy the f22.

Serious question, do other countries realize how hard it is to make a Real stealth fighter?

>>34549640
>Implying it's hard

Burgers have multiple, but china already has one, so does Iran. Russians would have deployed one already but having an average national IQ of 55 limits how fast any high-tech research projects can be completed.

>>34549617
a nation with a *proud* white flag raising tradition*

>>34542265
Surely this will not end up like every other previous French-German partnership for acquisition for a major weapon system.

Surely.

>>34549640
>F-22 copy

I didn't know that the F-22 is a drone controlling EW rape machine with a weapon systems officer

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>>34549681
>so does Iran

>>34544845
>Also I bet Rolls-Royce is super happy how Brexit fucks their business for their engines with Europe.
Well, yes and no.
Example, there should have been 2 different engines for the FCAS drone. One derivative of the EJ200 from RR, one derivative from the M88 from Snecma.
Problem, RR isn't the sole patent owner on the EJ200, and it seems they did not have rights to use it wholy as a base for a new engine.

Which then turned the project into a joint one, mixing parts from both engines together to create something new and very hot. Gives air to RR since they can now work on their stuff without being worried by shit, and greatly helps Snecma to move faster on this program.

Brexit would surely make things even more ugly for RR, but on this particular matter, the mere fact the EJ200 originated from a joint program itself was enough to cockblock the brits. Which is a real shame after the F136 fiasco.

So RR may not be super happy about brexit, but it's not a fatality. And things are getting better on some points.

So who could join the European fighter programe?

Airbus recently announced to work on a FCAS concept with Germany and Spain together, so Spain appears to be a natural partner.

>new Eurocopter Tiger version

my body is ready

Why gives me the France-Germany alliance such a geopolitics boner?

>>34550297
Because you watch arab porn exclusively

>>34549729
Germany is intent on spending precisely nothing on their military, so they really can't produce a next-gen fighter on their own. They've got no choice.

The French might just ditch them because they're useless.

>>34550297
Trump was the best thing that could happen to Europe.
And also getting rid of the UK.

>>34544845
Given that RR is competitive globally with GE and P&W I doubt that they will give a fuck. They will just use the same go around on the tariff.

>>34550415
Well, they have already a subsidiary company with a modern plant in Germany, which mainly produces turbofans and turboprops.

A headless Brexit ala May would only lead that Germany not just get more banks but also British engineering in one of the few fields where they are still world class.

>>34544704
This is not an unreasonable expectation. France is the natural military leader of Europe and Germans should be thankful for the opportunity to subsidize it. The Bundeswehr is a joke and Germany would be better off disarmed.

>>34550561
Putin, please.

>>34544845
>that horseshit car metric
get actual statistics boy not doctored bs

>>34550570

>implying

The Krauts are fucking useless and would be better off paying their defense budget to countries which take it more seriously, like France, Poland, Spain, Shitaly, and Fagmark. Since these countries are surrounding Germany's borders from the outside world, they'd have a natural interest in making sure they don't fall.

Germans are militarily incompetent. They are a net drain on European and NATO resources, they may as well put the money to better use.

>>34550599
Even if you are right and Germany exports a significantly part of its output to the UK. It didn't translate to pressure for a favourable deal for the UK.

>>34550649
Putin~

>>34550721
did they just copy paste this from typhoon ?

because holly shit nigga, we are for one hell of the ride

"It is a sign to the British. It means 'you are leaving the EU and we are driving forward. We are no longer interested in you blocking the EU on defense'," a senior German defense industry official told Reuters.

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Don't forget about the other toy they want to revive

>>34542265
>German-French new MBT
It's the MBT-70 all over again

>>34551785
That's a big drone

>>34551848

But that was German-US m80

>>34551848
It's okay because Germany and France are using metric units.

>>34544321
>"Coincidence?!" The post.

>>34542293
As opposed to US projects such as the LCS and F-35? Let's face it, all modern projects are fucked due to lobbying and eternal chase of the perfect weapon.

>>34551853
für dich

>>34542293
>We discussed this yesterday. Euro defense projects are often a clusterfrack.

European defense projects are always clusterfucks.

>>34543259
>Also a new attack helicopter

Only a block upgrade to Tiger.

>>34551853
pour vous

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>>34551891
that hurt my body more than it should

>>34550442
Material science is an expensive game that is paid for by military spending. Unless Germany engages with the USA on the level that the bong do expect that the engineering will stay safely in the UK. They will just buy the pumps and shrouds from the EU and call it good.

>>34553476
>Germany
>not top tier in material science

>>34553508
Well, even ignoring that materials science is such a big commercial field that military spending isn't even that important. There are over five millions Germans who work in that field.

Also the other top tier country is Japan with a rather small defence budget as well.

>>34542265
>Will probably have a working Gen 5.5 model flying as China and America start test flying sixth gen

I'm ready

I'm ready for the European army

>>34553476
Does the UK even have a relevant steel and chemical industry left?

Ineos is maybe the only big British company in that field.

>>34553603
Summer /k/ okay at least it's not reddit or /pol/. Manufactories will appear many places on earth but the science is going to stay with Cambridge and other various Anglo American institutions unless there is a vast change to the order of the world.

>>34554326
>Cambridge
>relevant for engineering applications

The fact that Germany is the only country left in the EU with a functional steel producing industry is way more important.

>>34554326
It rather shows you have no fucking idea about the state of British engineering vs German engineering.

The fact that you think the UK is ahead of Germany in materials science because the UK spends like 7 billions more than Germany for defence is telling.

How patriotic anal do you need to be to really believe that the UK is somehow ahead of Germany in engineering? Outside of few specialized fields Germany runs circles around the UK in all fields of engineering, which will only get worse for the UK with the Brexit.

>>34554504
>>34554377
>This bootyrangered Fritz

Why are Germshits the most easily triggered people im history? You seem to be really bothered by the notion on English superiority.

>>34555061
That's some butthurt

The UK part of Rolls-Royce is in a shitty position in the aerospace sector.

The production of the Eurofighter will end in a few years.
They lost the bid for the F-35
They are losing the advantage of the UK being in the largest single market in the world in the post-Brexit world #Airbus


Well, Rolls-Royce Deutschland will become more important for the parent company

>>34555166
They were already losing over 4 billion pounds last year because of the Brexit vote.

>>34549957
someone post the image of that cardboard hull over a shopping cart with the cessna instruments

>>34550807
That is one hilarious alleged statement.

>>34554342
my sides!

>We still Empire, guys!

How long until the EU attempts to establish itself as military power with foreign spheres of influence?

>>34552166
Mmm...fur dick!

>>34555917
>Foreign spheres of Influence

Dutchfag here, and I can't even imagine that there is anywhere on this planet that takes the EU seriously enough for us to have any sort of real political influence. For one, we're seen as an entity that quickly defers to Americans and to DCs wishes(which is mostly true, thanks to the British and the French), and is intimidated by the Russians. Africans stills see us as being the preeminent historical colonial assholes so except hostility, no matter how many gibs we bring, and Asians are altogether extremely wary of Europeans and our foreign politics.

As much as i loathe admitting it, even as a united geopolitical player we would easily get pushed around by other major countries if we tried to go our own way. Like Canada and Australia, we only talk tough when secure in the knowledge that Americas ready to back us up.

>>34556503
>so EXPECT* hostility

>>34556503
I think having an independently capable military would immediately give the Europeans more weight and influence abroad. If you ask me, I think this program could potentially be a step towards achieving that.

>>34556913
It's honestly Germany's fault. France doesn't always make decisions I agree with (cutting one of their fucking carriers and leaving them with one deformed model), but at least they sort of give a shit and devote some attention to their military. Germany can't even be bothered to pretend to care.

>>34552135
>F-35
Lightning II is going through what the Falcon and Hornet went through. R&D always takes more time and money than expected. The 35 is already being put into production.

>>34556503
>Dutchfag here, and I can't even imagine that there is anywhere on this planet that takes the EU seriously enough for us to have any sort of real political influence.

You will not find many entities with more political influence than the EU.

UK is butthurt

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/bae-exec-well-have-a-hand-in-a-next-gen-fighter-one-way-or-another

>>34551785
She's FAT!

>>34554326
>and other various Anglo American institutions
>Anglo American

That's good, a little desperate to include American institutions to have an argument for British superiorty but good

Guess it'll boil down to how Germoney wants to play it up.

Straight up let the frogs do their things, only give them money and a date limit of 20/30 years and the plane will have 3/4 of what it promised to be but at least you'll have a plane.

Mess around with them and they'll give up because both doctrines refused to give an inch.
Their parts would work, but only if you removed the german parts. The german parts wouldn't at all.

In any case blame the French once it's done.

>>34559570
I think what he meant is that we simply do not wield even a significant fraction of the political heft and psychological weight that either America or Russia has been able to exert globally for the last 60 years, and that much is true. There is a certain credibility that we're yet to develop, as a result of being relatively inactive as a geopolitical player.

>>34559916
>Russia, completely isolated in the world
>political influence

Even if you eat RT news as breakfast, you can't make any arguments that Russia is ahead of the EU in that game

>>34559916
With the UK leaving and Germany intent on being militarily anemic I wouldn't say the EU is likely to really strike fear in anybody any time soon.

>>34552135
Imagine all the red tape and bullshit the F35 is going through. Now multiply it by however many members of the EU there are, and add on a committee that is convinced the plane is offensive to muslims.

>>34559943
>for the last 60 years

Fine, replace Russia with USSR you autistic mongoloid.

>>34559943
What countries does the EU really have clout with outside of it's own body? All I can really think of is some parts of Africa, and China seems intent on eating all that up. I guess the Saudis, but the Saudis will smile politely at anyone who sells them fighter planes.

>>34559943
>expecting /k/ to understand geopolitics

UK isn't even allowed to use EOTS of the F-35 without the USA greenlighting it and that even as Level 1 technology partner.
Like hell France and Germany would buy an American black box.

But UK is more happy with being the colony of the USA than forming an European axis with France and Germany together.

>>34560030
The UK doesn't have alot of areas that meet test restrictions, restrictions which won't be applicable to actual operations.

Eurofighter 2: Electric Boogaloo?

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>talking about superior British engineering
>and he is serious about it

>>34560030
>But UK is more happy with being the colony of the USA than forming an European axis with France and Germany together.


With Brexit they aren't even the useful idiot for the USA anymore.

>>34560155
The bongs absolutely destroy you fags at aerospace, submarines, and EW

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>>34560283

>>34560283
Yeah, that duopoly in aerospace is Boeing and that one important British aerospace company... oh wait!

>>34556503
>>34556913

There is a reason why US for instance has lobbied stuff like British membership in EU and quick enlargement to ex-commie countries, to keep EU from becoming too united.

>>34559656
>UK is butthurt

That was fast.

>>34559948
>and add on a committee that is convinced the plane is offensive to muslims.

My sides are more destroyed than a mud hut after an AC130 has seen it.

>>34550649
>net drain on European and NATO resources
kek

>>34560283
Never laughed this hard

>>34559656
>>34561527

>The RIAT briefing was called to announce the Typhoon jet built by BAE and others had reached another milestone in its development as a multirole aircraft with the first test firing of the Brimstone 2 ground attack missile, but the briefing was largely hijacked by questions about the British reaction to the Franco-German proposal July 13 to jointly develop a new fighter jet.

What are they supposed to do when journalists won't shut up, announce they are going to stop making planes? It's vague non-committal statement that means little. Besides its ongoing role in the Eurofighter, BAE has the most experience of the 5th gen F-35 programme outside the USA, is part of the Anglo-French UCAV project, is helping Turkey develop its 5th gen, and has signed a MoU with Japan on helping them with their next gen fighter. There's plenty of room there for them to fulfill this vague statement without getting on their knees to join the Franco-German project.

>>34561685
Nice way to say they have no leading roles in any modern aircraft programme.

>>34542265
I'm looking forward to it, but it'll probably end up like all previous joint projects.

UK still needs to replace their Tornados and Typhoons at some point.

So I could see they are joining that project as well, because just doing support jobs can't maintain that industry field.

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>>34559948
>and add on a committee that is convinced the plane is offensive to muslims.
How do you make a plan Halal I wonder

>>34544381
Their banks are already moving headquarters. This is very likely to sink the pound.

>>34561838

The F-35 is the Tornado replacement, and the most updated Typhoons will stay in service until ~2040. So plans need to be made, but it isn't that urgent.

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>>34562032
>F-35B
>replacing the Tornado

>>34554326
Cambridge does give the UK an edge in the number of cited journals, but Germany still outdoes the UK in terms of industry performance.

Highlights for other countries
United States. The US is leading in absolute value across the board but is losing share: R&D expenditure, citation share, field-weighted citation impact (FWCI) and highly-cited article share are all decreasing.

Germany. In Germany, research is driving world innovation. Germany has the greatest relative share of worldwide patents referencing its research than that of any other large research nation.

France. France is the most internationally collaborative country among the large research nations with 50% of its share of articles being co-authored internationally.

China. China is heating up the "science race," and the research base is growing fast. Article share is up as is citation impact, implying that quality is also on the rise. In addition, R&D expenditure and share of global patents is up.

>>34562204
https://www.elsevier.com/connect/report-how-do-the-large-research-nations-compare

>>34562163
This is rather a result of selection bias because of the language barrier.

>>34553476
UK has one of the worst goverment spending on science way under the average of other EU countries.

https://scienceogram.org/in-depth/international-comparisons/

>>34562115

Whether or not you agree with it, it is what is planned.

>>34561851
Give the plane 4 targets but only three bombs.

>>34556503
>For one, we're seen as an entity that quickly defers to Americans and to DCs wishes(which is mostly true, thanks to the British and the French)

>I was 5 years old in 2003 : the post

>what is the eurofighter typhoon

>>34560030
>UK isn't even allowed to use EOTS of the F-35 without the USA greenlighting it and that even as Level 1 technology partner.

I'm very doubtful that applies for operations because all I'm seeing when I search this up is related to training.

>>34544797
It's also stengthening the EU by weeding the faggot bongs away. Thanks a lot, /pol/.

>>34567231
>This much Anglo hatred
What did the British do to you?

This is going to be such a disaster

>>34562204
>Germany. In Germany, research is driving world innovation.

German "innovation" will disappear as their old childless boomers die off

>>34549681
>Iran
wew lad, the qaher cant even fly, let alone fly undetected

>>34569264
>Implying they're not employing the greatest hustling tactic ever devised by man
>Implying the qaher can't fly at mach 4 with a 0.00000001 RCS while launching dozens of light speed missiles

>>34542265
>Did we enter the era of glorious new powerhouse?
No because Germany is hell-bent on going broke by handing welfare to the entirety of Turkey, the rest of the Middle East and all of Africa. So basically they won't have any money left to invest in new technologies.

>>34561851
Fit it with the avionics from a Cessna

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>>34549617
>proud

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>>34551785
>thicc

>>34542265
>My ancestors died for this

>>34549617
>finally allowed itself to be enslaved by the Germans
Joke's on the Germans, they're only going to find more mudslimes there.

>>34549722
>>34549627
>haha the surrendered am I right guyzzz XDDD

>>34574933
cringe

>>34542265
>European cooperation
>a good thing
The only way to have pan-European production of anything is for one country to dominate everything from development, to production, etc

>>34542265
>ctrl-f "a-400"
>not found

Thread, I am disappoint.