>Egypt receives French AAS >No air defense, not even MANPAD

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Original mount on French Ships.

If it works. It works.

>>34536128
>tied down humvees
The Arabs never cease to painfully amaze me

Arabs are even worse than their butt-buddies the Russians.

High quality sandnigger rigging

>>34536128
This is incredible.

If it's stupid but works, it ain't stupid.

>>34536128
This looks terrible, but i'm not sure the Simbad system the other Mistrals use is actually any better. The Simbad is truly terrible as far as a sole self-defense option goes.

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If they parked 12 203mm artillery guns on the deck, they would have an ad-hoc cruiser.

> they offer a lot of capability for their price, costing around $700 million each. It has been argued that this happens due to the fact they are build up to comercial specs, not military ones. They are basically built like any other cargo ship and as capable of taking a missile as one..

so they are basically cargo ships you can land a helicopter on?

>>34536128

Don't they have anti air fregates to accompany it?

>>34536539
They have one Fremm, but the majority of their air defense are old Perrys and Knox-class.

Even with escorts, ships should have their own self-defense capabilities as well. I've never been a big fan of the Mistrals for that reason.

>>34536128
This is ARMA wasteland tier, I love it.

>>34536505
plus RORO and amphib dock capability, yes.

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I like it.

>>34536353
MBDA offered an automated version (Simbsd RC) slaved to the CMS instead of manually crewed

But yeah Simbad is basically a last ditch system usually employed by smaller vessels who has no need for much more sophisticated air defence. For ships like mistral, a CIWS should be a bare minimum

>>34536128
The ship was supposed to use russian armaments on it, but since the french cancelled the delivery, all russian-made equipments (inncluding the air defence weapon) were stripped off.

Egypt basically paid the "as is" price for the mistral with the intention to rearm it during the next SLEP

>>34537233
If they put RAM on it they'll be better off than the French versions. Shit, i'd probably take Phalanx over Simbad.

>>34537323
consider that they might just buy the now surplus russian equipment and stick it back on the ships at a reduced cost....and since it is Egypt they will still keep the avengers strapped to the deck.

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They should buy Tor

>>34538260
Egypt is in pretty hard time nowadays. Declining tourism, undervalued currency, them ethiopians trying to build dam at upstream nile river, not to mention the already systemic shit yo typical failed state had (low level corruption, bloated civil cervix, uncompetitive economy, kleptocracy and whatnot), so foreign reserves is pretty thin right now.

That's why I said earlier, any plan for mistral uparmament will have to wait until the scheduled SLEP programme which might be a good 20 years from now

>>34537233
Not necessarily a bad idea to have an unarmed amphibious assault vessel. All these soft and gray wars - avoids international complications, extra humanitarian credibility.

>>34536505
It uses commercial specs. It doesn't means that it is a glorified cargo ship

If you want a glorified civilian ship, Damen had you covered. Not only that they use commercial-spec shipbuilding standard, the design is also derived from a fucking ferry

>>34538308
Literally nothing of significant value was added

They must have had a consultant..that shit is lashed to the deck... Egyptian shitheads are a special kind of stupid and would have never thought of that.

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Look at those fuckers.

>>34538507
I wonder how difficult it would be to just rip off the pod and the radar and mount it to the deck.

>>34536128
>Officially more surface-to-air missiles than the QE has.

>>34536386
A true mission configurable ship.

>>34538525
More difficult than just parking the whole thing that's for sure.

>>34536128
Well, this is the country that birthed Unit 777.

>>34538443
Nigga you crazy, Tor is miles ahead of the Avenger. And that's not because it's Russian either. It's because the Avenger is a half-assed jerry-rigged trying to pass itself as a low-altitude AAA system, if it weren't for the Stinger missiles, that thing would be a waste of resources.

>>34538664
In the end of the day, it's just a vehicle strapped to the ship. Both aren't integrated to the ship CMS and must be manually operated.

Those avengers were never a permanent solution, so if they have money to buy Tor, they might as well as buy a proper air defence system and integrate them to the whole CMS

>>34536128
well, it works

If it works...

Funny seeing the armchair generals laughing.

Are they hard wired into the ships power or are they running off of engine/generator power?
If the later I can see them forgetting to fuel the damn things or using the wrong fuel and fucking the whole thing up.

>>34538978
Literally wired onto the deck.

>Oh shit I forgot the keys.
>Ok who took the keys?

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>>34536128
It appears as if our Arab allies have played 'Cajun' in their resourcefulness. Well done, sir.

>>34538600
I wouldn't say more difficult but probably more expensive

>>34538525
>radar
There is no radar. The Avenger system can take radar input from other sources to aid the gunner, but the missiles are 100% IR.

>>34539114
>I wouldn't say more difficult
dude, parking the thing and bolting it to the deck is miles easier than actually cutting the vehicle in half and welding the pod in place, plus somehow getting power and control systems to it.

>>34538845
Cmon, is hilarious, brilliant, but hilarious.

>>34538507
>hey guys, let's park a truck on the helicopter spot with the strongest reinforced deck

>>34536128
This is a improvement over the Mistral mounts, given that Stingers are awesome MANPADs and the later blocks include anti drone capability and effectively the capability to engage surface tagets (Ex: Suicide boats).

All in a double-quad packed Avenger that has the FLIR, AN/M3 and the capability to replace one of the pods for a FFAR or whatnot for self defense.

I'll join the side of laughing at the armchairs given this is much more sound than it appears.

>>34538525
>pod
Boeing has your needs covered if you have the cash. They'll even fucking fit Hellfires, Starstreaks, a laser in the one thousand watt range or a Bushmaster onto it if you're that thirsty.

In a way it's kind of brilliant. If anything goes wrong or brakes all you need to do is just drive a new one there.

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>so you want us to take the avenger systems off the humvees and put them where the usual AA would go?
>no, I want you to put the entire avenger system on the ship INCLUDING THE VEHICLE

>>34540114
Dude, if the ship takes damage, you can DRIVE AWAY FROM IT, just drive to the other side of the fucking deck and keep firing, it's genius

>>34540499
I meant it more in the way that if you ever needed to replace something or repair something when they got back to port they could just drive a new one onto the ship, but yeah that works too.

>>34538395
Which ship are you referring to? Damen has never built a naval ship with """commercial specs""", I think you're referring to RFA Argus or the new Resolve class of the RCN.

>>34536386
One of the Arctic convoys got ambushed by the Nazis early in the war.

A liberty ship fought off German destroyers with her deckside Shermans.
The captain got a Medal of Honor out of that

>>34539009
>he hasn't found the Humvee keys

>>34536177
I bet thats interesting to shoot.

>>34541296
Which convoy?

>>34538664
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>>34538443
Leave to k to be absolute retards
First off there's a integrated ship tor system, tor is quite modular and can be mounted anywhere.
Second that was mounted on a ship for testing for the new upgraded version.

>>34538387
this poster gets it.

However the Mistral LHDs were built on civilian norms. One antiship missile in these things and it's over. Kaboom. Not enough armor, not enough compartments aboard the ship. Great capabilities sure, but at a cost. These will never be used in a high intensity scenario.

Also their onboard armament is super lame yes, since the french navy is broke.

The russians had plans to equip them with neat guns and missiles though.

So this solution may not be that crazy. The only problem is the ship's combat system can't be linked with a humvee. But if it could, it may be worthy.

>>34541412
Where is the confirmation the Mistral-class is built using commercial specs?

>>34541449
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/france-signs-contract-for-3rd-mistral-class-lhd-05384/

You could find more if you know french

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>>34536128
>you are like a little baby
>watch

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>>34536353
French ships put all their efforts on ECMs and flares (and stealth) since the La Fayette class.

>>34541315
The gunner has an IR camera and two triggers, one to fire up the missile's seeker and the second to shoot the missile; there's also a switch to swap between the left and the right missile. You pivot the mount using your shoulders shoulders. It takes literally 2 minutes to explain it's use to someone, and with correct training you get excellent results.
A bit heavy on the shoulders, but it's still easy to track a airplane.
Now they're being phased out in favor of the automated version now (Sadral).
The lame part, they're also phasing out the Crotale (a medium range SAM) with the same Sadral.

>>34541338

Not that anon, but the story sounded familiar. The convoy could be disastrous PQ 17, except the part about battle and medal. The part of PQ 17 whose merchant ships prepared Sherman tanks parked on their decks for battle did not see combat since they succeeded avoiding the Germans spotting them. The captain awarded was Leo Gradwell, who received distinguished service cross (DSR).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convoy_PQ_17

>>34541468
from meretmarine.com

>Afin de réduire le coût du programme BPC, le ministère de la Défense et DCN ont opté pour un navire construit suivant les normes marine marchande. Cette décision a, depuis, suscité quelques interrogations quant à la résistance du navire en cas d’impact ou d’incendie. Comme de nombreux officiers, le capitaine de vaisseau Jubelin s’est, lui aussi, posé cette question : « En terme de survivabilité, le Mistral est très loin d’être disqualifié. Ses grandes dimensions sont un avantage et il ne faut pas oublier que, jusqu’au pont 2, le navire est totalement ceinturé par des ballasts d’eau ». Respectant les normes SOLAS, le BPC est classé en navire à passagers et transbordeur spécial : « Cela a débouché sur les normes de sécurité les plus exigeantes de l’Organisation Maritime Internationale », explique le capitaine de vaisseau. « Il y a une accumulation des règles de prévention. Par exemple, pour la circulation des fluides dangereux, il y a une séparation des réseaux. De même, le taux de redondance est extrêmement élevé, notamment en raison de la présence d’un équipage réduit. Rien que pour la propulsion, il y a 5 systèmes pour la commande d’orientation des pods et 7 systèmes pour la commande de puissance des machines. Aucun autre bateau de guerre n’a une telle redondance ». En matière de lutte incendie, le bâtiment dispose du système HI-Fog, qui pulvérise, dès que la température dépasse 60 degrés, un brouillard d’eau distillée à 180 bars de pression. D’autre part, les locaux sont équipés de cloisons résistantes au feu (15, 30 et 60 minutes) : « Le système de sécurité passive, totalement automatisé, est tellement important qu’on est capable d’éteindre un incendie en moins de 3 minutes, n’importe où dans le bateau », explique le commandant, qui estime que « ce bâtiment est le mieux défendu de la marine en matière d’incendie ».

>>34540499
you're retarded

>>34538395
Ionno, anon. The Stan Patrol 5009 is pretty sexy.

>>34541493
Thanks anon

>>34540499
>ship getting hit by aerial strafing runs
>do donuts to evade

>>34541504
And a chinchong nipnong to you too young lady

>>34541547
I infer you wish for a translation of the main points?

>>34541288
>what is enforcer

>>34541504
> In order to reduce the cost of the BPC program, the Department of Defense and DCN have opted for a ship built according to Merchant Navy standards. This decision has since raised some questions about the ship's resistance in case of impact or fire. Like many officers, Captain Jubelin also asked: "In terms of survivability, the Mistral is far from being disqualified. Its large dimensions are an advantage and it must not be forgotten that, up to deck 2, the ship is totally surrounded by water ballasts ". Complying with SOLAS standards, the BPC is classified as a passenger vessel and a special ferry: "This has resulted in the most demanding safety standards of the International Maritime Organization," says the captain. "There is an accumulation of rules of prevention. For example, for the circulation of hazardous fluids, there is a separation of the networks. Similarly, the redundancy rate is extremely high, in particular due to the presence of a reduced crew. For propulsion alone, there are 5 systems for the control of pod orientation and 7 systems for machine power control. No other warship has such redundancy. " The building has the HI-Fog fire-fighting system, which sprays, as soon as the temperature exceeds 60 degrees, a mist of distilled water at 180 bar pressure. On the other hand, the premises are equipped with fire-resistant partitions (15, 30 and 60 minutes): "The fully automated passive safety system is so important that it can extinguish a fire in less than 3 Minutes, anywhere in the boat, "says the commander, who believes that" this ship is the best defense of the navy in terms of firepower »

>>34541384
>/k/
>knowing anything about weapons past their personal pea-shooters

>>34541576
The Enforcer-class is the export version of the LPDs in use by Dutch and Spanish navies. The export version has increased commercial standards but that is not the case for the ones built for said navies, although there are of course still parts built with commercial specs, just like every auxiliary ship. The original design isn't even by Damen, most of the design and engineering work is done by DMO (Dutch Material Organization) with help from the Spaniards. Damen just built it and got the rights to export it (and in the end they only exported the blueprints to the Brits). There's a reason why for example the frigates and OPVs built by Damen for the Dutch Navy are inherently different from the frigates and OPVs they build for export.

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>>34541547
>to you too young lady

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>>34536128

>>34541593
thanks

>>34536386
>ghetto gunship at its heights

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Would the Avenger's M2s work as CIWS?

>>34542662
Its efficiency in that role could be summed up as "better than nothing".

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hehehe

>>34540499
I heard that in Bill Burr's voice.

>>34536128
>threat appears dead straight ahead
>drive Avenger to the bow, fire off missile
>not to mention that you could, in theory, drift the system around the bow to go to the other side

>>34540467
easier to install, easier to recover once they buy real AA systems.

Wouldn't this works?

I mean it looks out of place, but hey if it works

>>34545374
It's only really reasonable because what Mistral actually has is already so trash anyways.

>>34541482
What do I do if my shoulders don't have shoulders?

>>34546201
Grow one

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>>34542761

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>>34536128
>mfw the avenger swings to far around and fires a stinger into the island

>>34546887
I wonder if the warhead would arm at that distance.

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>>34542761
PZ2000 really like the sea.
It isn't really designed to fire on the move, I wonder how the ship's movement affect accuracy

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Also something less fancy.

>>34546995
ships are very stable platforms in general

>>34537233
fyi Egypt didn't actually pay for the ships. The Saudi's (sisi's sugar daddy) paid for most of the deal. The Egyptian economy is still in pretty bad shape and relies on US/Saudi/UAE/even Israeli aid to stay afloat

>>34546995
The PzH2000 is not a cheap system, wonder how they come up to butcher one for a make up turret.

>>34541482
>They're also phasing out the Crotale (a medium range SAM) with the same Sadral.
What. The. Fuck.

>>34547657
To be fair, calling the Crotale medium-range is rather generous. The version used on naval vessels has an 11km range versus the 6km range for the Sadral.

>>34547585
They literally sold excess PzH2000 to croatia and lithuania

>>34547112
Have you even been in one before?

>>34546995
she was shooting fine and even the bigger recoil wasn't a problem for the ship. Sadly the program was cancelled because of the high cost.

>>34536128
Huh, wouldn't it be funny if they built tank pit/bunkers fir them to park into to avoid going overboard in high chop.

>>34549226
giant boats you cant really feel the ocean

Dumb ass fuck.

Now someone has to go out there and check the tire pressure and oil every day, even though its chained the fucked down.

You guys in the military know exactly the retarded shit I'm talking about.

>>34546901
Even if the warhead doesn't detonate, that's a 15kg missile full of rocket fuel.

Genius, this is the future of ship-borne point defense.

>>34551670
its arabs
the thing could go overboard and noone would notice for a few days

and once they get to land, they can drive them off. I like it

>>34536249
except russian ships have by far the best SAM in the world

>>34552293
Except for aegis you russian shill.

>>34536128
If it's stupid and it works, it isn't stupid.

>>34536128
Do you think they deliberately chose that Humvee because it had a snorkel attachment?

>>34551670
>arabs
>doing routine check ups and preemptive maintenance on their equipment
topkek

>>34553083
>Do you think they deliberately chose that Humvee because it had a snorkel attachment?
How else would the humvee get on the ship? Swimming?

>>34549205
Really? Damn, isn't it high end equipment?

>>34536128
>>34542662
>Point defense missile
>FLIR
>Heavy Machine gun
>All in one packet
It has it all, it's brilliant.

>>34549226
Yes, actually I'm a sailor.
You're not gonna fire an artillery piece if there's an ouragan, but in normal conditions you're fine.

>>34547751
The F70 frigates were the ones using the old V3 missile. The La Fayette class uses the CN2 system with VT1 missiles, that have a 15km range.

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>>34536128
Just doing what you can with what you got. I respect it, actually.

>>34536180
This.

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>>34542784

>>34538308
Egypt actually does own Tor. As well as Crotale funnily enough. Presumably the Avenger is used because it's easier to hand a 4 ton humvee on a ship than the fucking 34 ton tracked base the Tor uses.