Let's talk SHTF weapons. Specifically, let's talk

>>34527241
An FAL
Can we move on now?

>>34527279
>FAL
Why?

>>34527479
Because 7.62 RFN and .308 are interchangeable, and used by both the US military and the local fudds, but the M14 isn't nearly as durable, and the G3 is...well, you really can't go wrong with either a G3 clone or an FAL.
An optic will do just fine (fuck the ARfags who will bitch about how "inaccurate" they are) on either one.

>>34527241
use a mortar instead

>>34527531
What about other options like SCAR?
And between FAL and G3, is one more durable/reliable? Can they take as much abuse as an AK?

>>34527241
Battle rifles are typically heavier and less accurate believe it or not. I do agree that .308 is the best SHTF round for civilians. Accuracy should be your main concern and range your main advantage. That's how most lone wolves or small groups survive long enough to rack up a lot of bodies. Plus it's good for hunting.

AR10 type rifles are the lightest and most accurate. I would have one by now as my go-to SHTF rifle but I'm a sucker for bullpups and there's a few I'm looking out for. Obviously the MDR, or RDB in .308, or MSBS in .308, or the K&M m17s308 once they smooth out the first year issues.

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>>34527279
fpbp

Bug Out: AR15 because you can carry quite a bit of ammo and easily find more when needed

Bug In: 12 gauge because you can sit on top of a massive pile of buckshot and blow anyone who comes near your door in half

Don't overthink it.

>>34527579
>Battle rifles are less accurate
Less accurate than AKs and ARs? Why? Isn't their whole point having better range/accuracy?
And if they are indeedless accurate, why do you think .308 is better than, say, 7.62x39?

>>34527531
The FAL is fucking 4moa at best. You're wasting a perfectly accurate round.

>>34527573
SCAR is going to be lighter and more accurate while having FAL-like durability (which is basically AK durability). But it costs over twice as much as a good AR10. That's a lot of ammo you could stockpile or practice with. The reliability thing is a meme. Unless you plan on fighting in mud pits don't worry too much about it. You should be focused more on a low volume of accurate shots rather than hellishly throwing down suppressive fire for several hours until your gun seizes up or melts down. It ain't gonna happen, unless you have a DI system like on the AR in which case you'd need to keep it clean and lubed which can be a pain in the ass if you're on the move or don't have a safe spot to take your gun apart. Stay away from DI, it's not a meme that it sucks.

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>>34527656
Battle Rifles like the FAL weren't designed with accuracy in mind, they designed for your average infantryman

>>34527687
So a SCAR is basically the best battle rifle for SHTF? And if going with something cheaper, how would FAL, G3, etc compare (to each other, and to an AK)?
>>34527725
The same can be said of ARs and AKs. If battle rifles are less accurate than ARs and AKs, what advantage do they have?

>>34527656
The FAL, G3, and M1A are indeed heavy and inaccurate. We're talking worse MOA than an AK100 series. AR10's are decent in weight and accuracy but then you have to deal with a DI system.

Pick your poison. You can either have reliability with the FAL or G3 (slightly better with the G3) or accuracy with the AR10. The M1A is just all around garbage. Of course when I say "inaccurate" it's still accurate enough for most purposes, just less accurate than rifles are expected to be these days, same goes for when I say "unreliable," that doesn't mean it's going to shit the bed after 3 mags (takes 5 to get my AR to seize up without a pint of lube). The fact if the matter is there just isn't a good all around battle rifle unless you spend shit tons on the SCAR (and it's still not a bullpup and therefore 20th century garbage)

You can also consider a boltgun that's sub-moa accurate and Mauser reliable, like the Ruger scout/m77 or cz550.

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>>34527755
>what advantage do they have?
big boolet

>>34527755
>what advantage do they have
Real fuckin NATO, a full size cartridge.

A SCAR may not be the best rifle because it eats up all the money you'd otherwise have to spend on ammo, mags, gear, and training (which should be priority, training will keep you alive better than all the best equipment on the market).

If the AK seems to be your gold standard why not get an AK in .308? Technically a battle rifle even though it's not issued by any nation.

>>34527779
>>34527784
So the only real advantage of an AR10/FAL/G3/etc over an AK for SHTF is more powerful? But the AK will have just as good of accuracy, range, and durability/reliablility?
So if I want a BR for SHTF I should get a SCAR, and if I can't afford that, then just get an AK?
Yes, I'm trying to simplify this/look for a straight answer, and yes I understand opinions/situations/etc vary, but is what I said a fair assessment?

>>34527813
How will a .308 AK compare to FAL, G3, etc regarding accuracy and range?
And how will a .308 AK compare to a 7.62x39 AK regarding accuracy and range?
And yes, AK is my gold standard for SHTF but now I kinda want a SCAR

>>34527814
>but is what I said a fair assessment?
in a nutshell yeah, most modern battle rifles like the SCAR are designed to be much accurate than your standard AR, AK

I think later G3, and PTRs are a lot more accurate than an AK

>>34527779
>like the Ruger scout/m77 or cz550.
Are these more accurate/longrange than an AK? (Yes, this is probably a stupid question, I'm very new to guns)

>>34527846
Before anon(s) said that G3/FAL/etc are less accurate than an AK/AR, but you think they're more accurate?

If you could choose a G3, FAL, or AK for SHTF, which would you choose and why?

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>>34527876
>but you think they're more accurate?
a PTR91 is going to be more accurate than your standard, ar15, due to the weight and grain of the round

If I had to choose a rifle for SHTF, it would probably be the G3 or AR

the AR has parts availability
but the G3 is something you could take down large game with

>>34527908
How would G3 comparet to FAL?
And you'd choose G3 over SCAR only because it's cheaper?

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>>34527928
>How would G3 comparet to FAL?
sure, they are pretty similar, but as a FALfag, I need to admit that the G3 is more accurate
>And you'd choose G3 over SCAR only because it's cheaper?
yeah, a PTR will cost between $800-$1000, plus the surplus mags are about $2-$8

>>34527830
It comes down to brand. A VEPR or Saiga in .308 is going to be more accurate than a south American parts kit FAL. If we still had FN FAL's and STG58's accuracy would be less of an issue with FAL's, but the market is currently shit. All the good stuff dried up. As a matter of fact VEPR's are gone too now thanks to liberals shilling against Russia so fuck.

I hear the PTR91 (G3 clone) is decently accurate while maintaining similar reliability to the FAL, but you're going to have to look that one up. I stand by an AR10 being the best battle rifle, you're not likely to get to the point where your gun is seizing up. Still I'm a bit hesitant to recommend an AR as a SHTF rifle.

I've been in the same boat for years and I still haven't decided on a .308 platform. I'm waiting on the market to put out a solution, an all around good battle rifle.

>>34527977
>an all around good battle rifle
And the SCAR would be it if it was a bullpup. So far the MDR looks best, or the MSBS if it comes out in .308 (or comes out at all).

>>34527241
>posting the second worst Halo game
At least it's not Halo 5

>>34527928
if money is an issue look into building a G3

.308 rem700 on shoulder
5.56 ar15 auto pistol in a holster on thigh
glock 29 in an ankle holster

What would be the best brand of G3 for a SHTF gun?

>>34527972
Are FAL and G3 about equally durable/reliable?
>>34527977
I think reliability/durability is important because I don't want jams/malfunctions if it gets dragged through water, mud, etc. Never know what you might encounter.
>>34527987
You prefer bullpups because of personal preference or you think they're objectively superior for SHTF?

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>>34528004
halo 2 and ODST are best

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>>34528031
>Are FAL and G3 about equally durable/reliable?
short answer is yes, keep in mind these are designed for grunts, who aren't the smartest people earth, so easy cleaning was also in mind when these were made

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>>34528034

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Common caliber, not common parts... get two over time I guess

>>34527853
>I'm very new to guns
It shows... Best suggestion I can give you is care less about equipment and more about tactics and training. That's a mistake a lot of gun owners make. Even seasoned shooters wouldn't know what to do when bullets are actually flying back.

Bolt action are typically made for the primary purpose of accuracy. The 3 I listed will out shoot any other semi-auto in .308, but the highest capacity option (Ruger scout) holds 10 rounds and you have to work the bolt after every shot. If you're fighting from a distance or hunting this won't matter so much. Get up close and you'll wish you had rapid fire capability. That in mind, I can't say they're the most well rounded option.

>>34528031
>objectively superior for SHTF

Yes. Fighting out of a vehicle is a very real possibility. They're basically horses of the modern era, you can't keep them out of war.

Helps with fighting indoors too. >>34528119 is a good option, but they're supposedly coming out with a downward ejecting one. It comes down to preference which you prefer though.

>>34528182
>but they're supposedly coming out with a downward ejecting one
no they're not, please trust me on this one. They're focused on making KSG's and pistols right now, along with catching up with orders for the RDB, KSG25 and the CMR

>>34528222
BUT CHAD SAID SO

It sold well in .223 I wouldn't doubt a .308 option. The RFB design hasn't had much love because of how fat it is, which it needs to be to forward eject.

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If you're wanting accuracy, an M14 is hard to beat. It has basically the same sights as the M1 garand and so you can really dial it in. As far as reliability, it's pretty alright, but the FAL is better. The FAL doesn't have an open top reciver so you don't have to worry as much about dirt and grime getting in it. I'd stay away from the G3 though because they sometimes destroy cases and if you're reloading for SHTF, you won't be able to recover those casings. Ultimately, it's up to you, but I'm putting my hat in the ring for either the FAL in the SLR variant or the M14 just because either can take a bladed bayonet and are wood stocked and they're both great weapons. My only complaint with the L1A1 is the magazines are increasingly harder to find so buy cheap and stock deep until we get new ones produced.

>>34528260
There may be plans in 5 years, but you won't see it until 10 years from now, if ever.

They're only sending about 200 RDB's a week on average

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Just got pic related for $725.00. new brake, GI parts en route.

PTR91 en route.

No garand.

No FAL

Next battle rifle purchase?
Iwi ACE in .308?
Another M14 clone?
Garand?
FAL?

What do you neckbeards recommend?

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>>34528298
>heavy as fuck
>hard to mount a scope and hold zero
I love the look of M1A, but the price turns me away

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>>34528337
L1A1 FAL
>Inch pattern so superior to shitty metric FALs
>Build your own :DDDD
>Fucking bowie bayonet for opening up commies like a can of worms
>Used in Vietnam
>Used against its metric brother in the Falklands
>Dat wood tho
>That sweet, sweet regulator
>Doesn't run, turn up the gas lmao
>Strips sort of like an AR for cleaning

>>34528325
I have time.


MDR will be out by then though... Right guys.. RIGHT?!

>>34528377
Honestly, if price is a concern go the G3 route. Both FALs and M14s are expensive, but both are pretty reliable and imo gorgeous guns.

>>34528393
>MDR will be out by then though
your grandchildren will never even see them, even though they will still keep putting out ads in your gun mags.

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>>34528385
Fuck anons. You assblasted fags are killing my wallet. Every time I ask this question, my bank account regrats it. For fucking once I wish someone would say "buy another _____" that way you get more mags, and a backup"

Instead it's always "GET THIS OTHER GUN AND BUY 20 MAGS!"

Then I do, and it's awesome.

>>34528427
buy an ak

>>34528455
I already own enough to fill a decrepit apartment in Russia (the only dwellings in ex-serviceman states)

Anything that hasn't been bubba'd into oblivion.

The more highspeed, high dollar modifications done to your platform the worse it's going to be looking for parts if you have to make a repair.

Keep it simple. Plain AK, AR, M1, etc.

Get used to shooting iron sights like it's no one's business, because your optics aren't guaranteed.

>>34528483
Soviet**** states fucking phone.

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>>34528412
This'll hold me over

>Real fuckin NATO
>Many parts interchangeable with AR
>Piston instead of DI
>Muh bullpup

>>34528427
You know as well as we all do that your guns get lonely and like to have other types to hang out with. I mean, who wants monotony in their life? FALs are totally worth the cost imo though.

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I just made an M16A2/A3 patterned BR. I'm just going to use my M81 kit for any event like that.
>Plenty of storage in an ALICE
>Plenty of mags in pouches
>order now and get a FREE complimentary kevlar helmet and tent

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>>34528034
>halo 2 and odst
add Halo: CE to that list


God, I still wish to this day that I could've been around for that E3 release. I think about it quite a bit

>>34528579
>replace the alice waist and shoulder straps with molle units
>replace the original PASGT helmet strap and webbing with with ACH pads and strap
>replace m1955 flak jacket with a modern PC
>it aint me intsensifies

>>34528579
Is that you in the pic?

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>>34528793
Nah, I use woodland and a standard ALICE Y-rig setup. I can post pics of my rig if you want. As a matter of fact, I'm so far into the whole M81 getup I'm looking into repairing an M151A2 kaiser that has been laying out in front of a grenade range.

Pic related is my AR. I have the buttstock cleaning kit in it too

>>34528385
You're forgetting the matchstick giggle-switch

I've never used one myself, but i'm sure someone here can give their opinion on the idea


What about the Galil ACE?

>lighter and not as clunky as the original galil
>more accurate
>can be bought with 5.56 or 7.62

yeah I don't much about it

>>34528119
Sauce on the bag?

>>34527687
>SCAR is going to be lighter and more accurate while having FAL-like durability (which is basically AK durability)
With a plastic lower? Bitch please. Replace it with aluminum and you're still behind.

>>34529383
When we talk about reliability we're talking about it's ability to shoot a lot and go through adverse conditions without jamming, not get run over by a tank (which wouldn't make a difference if it was metal or polymer at this point in technology). Considering polymer is much lighter I'll take polymer. You haven't lugged a rifle around for long if you disagree.

>>34529238
U wut

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>>34529550

>>34529332
Oy vey!

>>34527241
My go to weapon when SHTF is my SCAR 17 Battle Rifle. Also where I live .308 is plentiful as fuck.

>>34529536
>talking about durability
>When we talk about reliability...
Yeah, nah. Get a good sling with some padding for your gaping shoulder vagina.