Why are CZ-75's so accurate? I recently bought a SP-01,

>>34519095
The fact that it has a tilting barrel doesn't really affect accuracy as long as the barrel has a tight fit to the slide, which any modern semi-auto will have.

The difference in your shooting results between this and your Glocks is probably that you're flinching when you shoot the polymer gun or otherwise pulling left or right because the Glock trigger is not flat, which makes it very easy to pull in one or other direction if you don't have your shooting fundamentals mastered.

Personally, I shoot Glocks a little better than I shoot CZs, Sigs, or really any other gun, because they fit my hand really well, the recoil control just feels better to me than other guns and the angle that the grip angle puts my wrist in seems to set me up to get the sights back on target more quickly/easily than other guns. I'm not talking about accuracy. If you can't hit accurately with any gun, then you are deficient as a marksman. I'm talking about getting a good presentation, shooting fast, and being consistent in how well I shoot (consistency has to do mostly with ease of use, a gun that is harder to shoot will wear me out physically and mentally, causing mistakes at the end of an extended shooting session).

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>>34519095
CZs aren't inherently more accurate that other guns.
They offer Superior ergonomics that make you shoot better than your skill level.
The issue is it's hard to get better with a cz75, the proficiency level is insanely high.

I have yet to do any better with my sp-01
10yds semi fast rate of fire.

one the guns I shoot the best with is my junky Star 30M

>>34519403
I mostly shoot magnum revolvers and rifles, so I doubt it's flinching (I practice mixing snap caps and live rounds).

However the trigger could be it. I've noticed similar results while shooting other polymer autos, p320, m&p, etc. That's why I initially suspected the frame to be a source of trouble. Perhaps my break with the striker fire triggers isn't as good as I thought. A bit surprising, seeing as I'm pretty good with double actions like my 442.

Any tips for getting better with Glock triggers? I prefer to keep things stock, so I don't wanna switch out hardware.

>>34519518
Get gooder at shooting. There's nothing too terribly unique about the Glock trigger that you shouldn't be able to handle with good technique. The pre-travel is a little squishy, but not remarkably so. The break tends to have a little bit of creep, but not any more than your CZ 75 probably has. If there's anything throwing you off, it's probably the fact that the trigger face isn't flat. Lots of people shoot Glocks left of center because they can't get a good grip on the frame for starters and then the non-flat trigger throws them for a loop because their technique doesn't include a skill for dealing with that.

>>34519095
>So what is it about the CZ-75 that makes it so accurate when compared to a Glock? My current guess is the steel frame permits a tighter and more precise lock up, but I have no real evidence of this.

Slide runs inside the frame, full length slide rails, more consistent = higher precision

>>34519440
>10yds semi fast rate of fire.

wow what compelling and meaningful data point

Good ergonomics, good trigger, low recoil.

>>34519403
It's not even a matter of tight fit to the slide - Too tight a fit causes reliability issues, even. I have a shot out Pre-B that's so loose you can hear the barrel rattle when you pick it up, but it groups fantastically from a bench rest.
The accuracy comes from repeatability. It doesn't matter if the slide/frame or barrel/slide fit is sloppy, if it returns to the same position each time, and the design lends its self very well to exactly that.

For me it was the weight of the weapon. No experience with glock but my m&p 9 was lighter and seemed to float more in my hands. My 75 is heavy and just sits when I hold it.

>>34519095
Better grip (particularly for large hands)
Full length rails
More weight up near the muzzle
Decent sights
Decent trigger

>>34519440
nigga you are jerking the shit out of your trigger

CZ threads are worse than glock threads

>>34520588
The weight certainly helps with rapid follow up shots, within 25yds I've gotten good at double tapping 14" plates. The trigger doesn't hurt either, having shot mostly rifles, the way it breaks just feels right.

But the accuracy difference I'm referring to specifically is slow fire. Kneeling I can hit a 14" plate about 70% of the time at 50yds with the CZ. Where as with the Glock I have to walk up to around 35yds to get similar results.

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>>34522146
These are the 2 best guns you can buy, each for different reasons.
What now faggot?

>>34522595
>glock
>best at anything besides being average and inoffensive at everything

>>34522618
>inoffensive at everything
Implying that's not exactly what I look for in an edc

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>>34522146
here you go mate, have a (you)

>>34519095
The interlock between frame and top-slide, the integral "double-rail", lends to consistency between the major moving parts, thereby insuring greater precision, methinks.

Miss twenty feet-in with that, you're better off with a teething ring in your holster.

>Want DA/SA decocker only pistol
>Want P-01
>ehhhhhh $600 is kinda steep (once I get over $500 I start losing interest in the handguns
>don't want turkshit because of concerns of future parts support
what the fuck do i do now
I could get a P-07, but the $40 mags really kill the value for me.

>>34524462
>what the fuck do i do now
start realizing that handguns aren't cheap?

>>34524462
http://www.damascusgunshop.com/CZ-75-D-PCR-Compact-p/91194.htm
$552 free shipping
Same gun without the rail

Fixed barrels, full length rails, tight barrel bushings, internally-railed slides and tightness of slide-to-frame fit are not very good indicators of a gun's internal accuracy. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that those things don't contribute to accuracy - although full length rails have more to do with long term durability of the gun's frame than accuracy, and slide-internal rails are just an arbitrary design choice, from what I've read.

What I'm saying is that when your average shooter picks up a Glock and can only shoot a 3" group with it at 7 yards, and then he picks up a CZ 75 SP-01 and can shoot a 1" group at 7 yards, that's NOT an indication that one of the guns is mechanically more accurate than the other. In the hands of a competent shooter, both guns will group exactly the same at that distance.

You're only going to start to see differences in accuracy at distances exceeding 25 yards, and the difference won't be THAT dramatic. I'm talking differences along the lines of 1.5" groups at 25 yards for your "match pistol" (from bench rest) compared to 2" groups at 25 yards for your rattly Glock in the same conditions.

If one pistol gives you an advantage in accuracy off-hand, it has more to do with allowing your skill set to pull a crisper trigger, or allowing your individual hand geometry to hold the gun more stably, than it is an issue of the gun's inherent mechanical accuracy

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>>34519095
Virtually all modern pistols are much more accurate than 99.99% of guys shooting it. Maybe it has a good trigger, maybe it just suits you... but that isn't quantifiable "accuracy". You'll have to bench it to find it's true accuracy potential (which is much higher than your skill unless you are some extraordinarily gifted Olympic-level shooter).

my CZ P-09 is an amazing shooter. better accuracy than my 1911.

>>34524539
t. Sig legion owner
$500 and under is most of the handgun market (albeit its mostly just glocks® and not glock® brand glocks®)

I don't have a problem spending more than $500 on a handgun, It's just hard justify the price of the P-01 since they are probably about $630 after fees.

I was just looking and a SP-01 tactical is $$10 more yet has an ambi decoker and factory night sights. The p-01 just seems like a poor value in comparison imo, if the came with night sights then I'd be okay with the price.

Realistically I should probably just get a fullsize CZ variant like a SP-01 or 75b and get something like a shield for carry instead CCing a compact 75. Though the compact does fit my hands better than the fullsize.


>>34524566
That's a thought, the rail of the p01 would be nice but in reality I doubt I would use it much.

>>34525765
Get an HK then talk to me about expensive handguns

>>34525857
>buys vp9
>ecks dee look at muh expensive HK :^))))))

How they figure a compact USP 9 should be $800 is beyond me. The P2000's aren't priced too bad though, I think I looked at one before and liked it fine enough.

>>34526077
my HK has an MSRP of $1k and I've put another ~$500 into it

>>34522153

The weight also minimizes flaws in technique - for example if your trigger pull is a little less than perfect a heavier gun will deflect less than a lighter gun.

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>>34523820
cz slide swap fun time?

>>34519462
>star

Jesus I dident think other people have those Spanish peices of shit

>>34525554
Same here, the P-09 is one of the most accurate handguns I've ever fired.

Actually, when talking new production, Glocks are more accurate than CZs.

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>>34527509
You're meddling with forces you could not possibly understand.

>>34519095

Fudd lore states that it is the full length rails that contribute to the accuracy.

>>34528312
that helps for sure
also helpful is the slide riding inside the frame rails

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>>34527900

>>34528535
And from that day forward, no one was able to find a short rail at reasonable prices due to weaboos.

Not saying that isn't the reason I want a short rail though, that and the fact they look way less shitty then the standard length rails on the 75b's.
Full length dust covers look better but the short rail is still the best looking, would rather have a commander style hammer and a decocker on it though
>muh not a hi power hi power

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nobody is talking about the best CZ

cheap 9mm Mak ammo (with good defensive shit available)
polygonal rifling
fixed barrel
double stack 12 round mag, but still small enough for CC

>>34528824
>heavy as fuck
>disproportionate recoil
>anemic round

Still far from the worst choice

>>34528824
>suspicious lack of dick grips
dropped

>>34528824
>cheap 9mm Mak ammo
>cheap
>9x18
>cheapest 9x18 for shitty steel on ammoseek is 19.5 cents/rd
what did he mean by this

>>34528888
Czech'd

>>34528863
>anemic round
95gr to 1200 fps (Buffalo Bore) is hardly anemic
more typical 95gr to 1050gps is also nothing to sneeze at
XTPs driven to the proper velocity have no issue expanding and reading FBI spec penetration

unless you're someone who thinks anything less than 9mm Luger is "anemic", then 9mm Makarov is acceptable
many people carry .380 every day and that's lighter and slower

>>34528879
gets 50 fps more than a Makarov out of the same barrel length and 4 more rounds
slap some slim grips from Marschall Grips and it's gtg for CC

>>34528863
>disproportionate recoil
wut?

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>>34528824
I prefer the Mak over the CZ. I shoot better with a Mak. Also it's stupid simple, and functions pretty much in any condition.

>>34528645
>>34528535
>>34528525
>>34528496
>>34528480
>>>/a/

>>34528535
Is any of this remotely true?

>>34528645
https://www.all4shooters.com/de/mobile/Shooting/Kurzwaffen/CZ-75-SP-01-Phantom-Test-in-9mm-Para/

https://www.all4shooters.com/de/mobile/Shooting/Kurzwaffen/GLOCK-17-Gen4-9x19-Test/

Also it's the Indian, not the arrow. I regularly outshoot guys with STIs and Sigs with my Glock.

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>>34527509
>>34527917

>>34529245

No. Rosewood is best wood.

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>>34527509
>>34527917
>>34529888
yo dawg I heard you like weird CZs

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>>34530052

I bought a Shadow 2 a little while ago, and I've only shot 50 or so rounds out of it but it seems to shoot really high. I'll have to shoot some paper to test it, but what kind of ammo should I be using?

I'm using S&B 124gr JSP right now.

>>34530220
try normal 124gr FMJ at 25m

>>34530223
I can't use FMJ on my range.

I'd try out a bunch of stuff, but my local gun shop only sells one kind of 9mm unless you order it in specially.

>>34530240
wat


where the fuck do you live ?

>>34530246
Victoria, Aus.

It's not that there aren't many shooters here, it's just that 90% of shooters (and probably >95% of handgun shooters) reload their own ammo.

I'll do it eventually too, but I just want to build up some brass first.

>>34530259
>thank god Australia gets their Shadow 2s and not Europe who would actually need them
good for you mate
but find another range

>>34530276
Why? Literally everyone I've heard of bans FMJ on handgun ranges, it's pretty much just a standard at this point.

>>34530284
Thats bizzare. Australia is a strange land.

>>34530298
It's just because it damages the target frames, I think.

What's really bizarre is how you can't use handguns on rifle ranges. It's not even a fudd range rule, it's the law.

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>>34530058
>>34530052
>>34530047
>>34529888
>>34527917
>>34527509
>>34523820

>>34529214
>on 4chan
>complain about anime posts

>>34530307
They don't want you to get gud

>>34526077
I have fired a shit load of handguns ranging from $200 to $3000, including the USP9, and IMO it is worth every bit of its price.

I have never fired anything that shot quite like the USP9 Compact. It felt like a fucking 22lr with more noise. Shooting it side-by-side with my VP9 was really eye-opening.

>>34522595
>Those classic wood looking grip panels
HHHHHNNNNNGGGGGHHHHG!!
Might a fellow CZ fan inquire as to where he might purchase them? Are they some of those VZ grips?

>>34524462
Buy from Greg Cote LLC.
He has the 19rd mags for about $24, where as other places have them listed for $40+

>>34534024
those are factory. vz doesnt do wood

>>34519095
I've been wanting a SP01 Tactical like yours for a while. How's the trigger on it? Is it less spongy than the P07?

>>34534085
Are these it, or similar?

https://czcustom.com/cz-parts-all/grips/cz-75-full-size-coco-bolo-grips-full-checker.html

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>>34519095
27yards

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>>34534246
>Best Cz clone

locked down another original short rail 75 for 370€

yay

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>>34534255

>>34534285
DELET THIS

Glock is better than your slavshit faggot

>34537003
(you)

>>34534024
High. I purchased those grips on midwayusa.

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/795238/cz-grips-cz-75-85-checkered-cocobolo-with-cz-logo

>>34537224
>high
wtf... Hello, I meant hello.

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>>34529888
What the absolute fuck is wrong with you?

>>34537224
>>34537238
Are you high off the excitement of purchasing new grips?

>>34519095
>Why are CZ-75's so accurate
Quality control

>>34534100

I really like the trigger, I actually have the safety model, and not the de-cocker model (safety model supposedly has a better trigger). The trigger has a bit of take up that takes some getting used to, but it has a really clean break. I find it comparable to a standard Ar-15 trigger in single action.

I advise you to get one, it's my favorite handgun now. So much fun to shoot, an it's cheap to feed to boot.

>>34522146
>CZ threads are worse than glock threads
The absolute worst thing about CZ threads are fags like you inexplicably whining about how awful CZ threads are in each and every single thread

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>>34519095
The shadow 2 looks so cool but FUCK I wish it didn't say CZECH REPUBLIC stamped on the frame. I get they want to represent but its so distracting. It doesn't bother me on glocks, berettas, etc. so I don't know why it does on CZ's. And every one has it except the 82.