Is there ever a reason to choose a pump shotgun over a semi

You can run a pump just as fast as a semi if you're competent

Don't have to worry about low recoil shells failing to cycle.
Easier to maintain and repair.

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>>34517417
Only if you are a wanker.

There's something almost erotic about working the pump

>>34517417
Pumps for low power shots and easy of use and semi for rof

Spas 12 was designed knowing this

>>34517417
The cool "chk chk" sound

No restrictions on ownership if you live in a commie state or canada

Racking the slide scares away the baddies.

>>34517417
nope semi auto shotguns are also much more reliable as the pump actions tend to wear out and break after several thousand rounds

>>34517863

U wot mate?

>>34517463
This.

If you're reasonably good with a pump action, you can use it much faster than a semi.

You literally lose energy from your rounds when you us a SA. It's a marginal amount, but it could mean 1mm of extra penetration under some circumstances

If there's a bad guy outside your home, a simple pump will scare them away. Can't do that with a semi auto.

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>>34517808
We all know that's bullshit.

>>34518028
>>34518053
See above.

>>34518028
>a simple pump will scare them away.
or they know to shoot first. you never know if some one is not in their right minds or not.

>>34517969
>much faster than a semi

Ehh... not likely. My 930 JM pro cycles fast as fuck, and has a good trigger. I seriously doubt there is anyone physically capable of shooting a pump faster than a 930 cycles. https://youtu.be/N5QTFvnENRc

>>34517417
If you're going to need special shells frequently. I mean, can't get through a full tube without needing a special round kinda frequent.

>>34517417
the cheapness

>>34517863
We're talking about shotguns when we mention "pump action," not your mom.
With that in mind, pumps just tend to get more buttery smooth with age. That's my experience.

Early SA shotguns were infamous for being unreliable and extremely picky about ammunition. Modern ones are good, but only if you're willing to spend on a good one like an M4 or Saiga. Most modern cheap SA shotguns (sup Turkey) still suck hard.

>>34517509
>wanker.

Cancerous British garbage....

>>34518130
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_QO457Jkew

Pretty much just as fast with practice

>>34517417
weaker powered loads i.e. birdshot (the cheapest 12ga you can buy for fun i'd say) can be ran reliably in a pump, not always so for semi auto

while im sure someone is really good at it, pump is generally slower than semi. i've seen 3 gunners who can work a pump well and shoot the same target really quick, but if you gotta aim at a different targets i think you'll start to notice racking the gun may slow you down a bit

pumps, generally at least, have more legal freedom

pump is cheaper in general

pump is easier to disassemble than a semi auto for cleaning

cant think of anything else

>>34517889
>>34518992
battlefield vegas guys said their pump shotguns are pretty much viewed as disposable since they break so much. he said the average mossberg 500 or remington 870 lasts about 2 weeks at his range. he also said they have a benelli m4 that has lasted about 4 years with no problems

>>34519035
What about the Mossberg 930?

>>34519093
You have no idea what you are talking about, Have you ever owned a shotgun?

>>34517417
I wanted to write about reliability and gas settings issues when handling different loads but now I've realized something.

It's price.

You can buy functional used or new pump actions for like 50% of the price of semi-auto one.

>>34519110
50% and less*

>>34519109
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/474035_High-round-count-shotguns-to-include-Mossberg--Remington--Benelli-and-Chinese-clones.html

>>34519100
Don't know enough about it offhand to comment on it specifically, but there's a good general litmus test. Is it originally a pump action design that was modified to run semi-automatic? If so, it probably sucks. All of the best semi-auto shotguns were designed that way from the ground up.

>>34517808
Nope

https://youtu.be/K4FESGjiH3s?t=3m56s

>>34519134
>http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_1/474035_High-round-count-shotguns-to-include-Mossberg--Remington--Benelli-and-Chinese-clones.html


Same anecdotal evidence as your first post, come back when you have some real evidence.

Because fun

Cheaper, more reliable.

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>>34517417
When the pump shotgun holds 15 rounds

>>34519093
>"nobody wants to shoot the semi auto"
>"hey guys, look! This semi auto is outliving those pump shotguns!"
Absolutely retarded.
Also, this guy doesn't know crap about firearms, and he intentionally makes that very clear. He's just another one of those business owners/operators that know diddly about what actually goes on at his business. And he's totally cool with that, as long as he gets money. He should leave it at that, because his blogposting brings out how ignorant he is on the subject on which his business is built.

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why not both?

>>34517417
>pump over semi auto

Cost.

Length and capacity combined, when we look at the KSG.

Semi autos do shoot really fast, but 12 gauge has so much recoil that accurate shot placement combined with a pump doesn't really slow most shooting down much.

>>34517863
>pump actions tend to wear out and break after several thousand rounds

Well, this kid doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. Pump guns usually have more robust parts than semi auto guns, making them last tens of thousands of rounds longer without parts breakages. Likely, neither will break with what you do to them, if you get a decent gun.

>>34517985
>You literally lose energy from your rounds when you us a SA
>1mm of extra penetration

You literally don't. This kid also doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

The same amount of energy pushing forward also pushes back. That goes for all rounds. It doesn't change between guns. The only thing that affects velocity is barrel length, fit of rounds in the barrel, and choke type.

So, don't take advice from stupid people.

Semi auto shotguns are really nice, but pump guns are much cheaper, and do all the same things... plus they cycle rounds without having to worry about a gas system not delivering the right amount of gas.

>>34519150
Paul Harrell on the money.

>>34517969
If you can pump your shaft faster than a gas system then you might need to start using your other arm. You can work a "good" pump pretty damned fast but you will always lag about .2 seconds behind a semi-auto shotgun. You would need to shoot shotguns to know that I guess.

>>34517417
cost
dont have to worry about which ammo will and wont cycle
a lot of semi auto have a fuck long spring running down the stock (not all, just most) so you have a lot more options for a folding stock or PGO shotguns if you're into that sorta thing.

>>34518130
That is impressive as fuck, but the video you were replying to is averaging a shot in less than .2 seconds over 23 rounds. And barring light load or fouling, the 930 will not short stroke.

>>34517417
Pumps are more reliable and can handle a wider range of shell loads.

>>34519307
I can't believe the cognitive dissonance on this poster

>>34519134
Color me surprised the Saiga has run as well as it has, even if it is picky about ammo.

>>34520067
Everybody loves to throw that range's data around until something they own doesn't do as well. Which is silly either way, because personal firearms are never going to see the round counts a full auto range uses.

>>34519088
>pumps, generally at least, have more legal freedom

In germany they are tougher to get than a semi-auto and some models are even banned. In austria pump-action shotguns are banned entirely, while semi-autos aren't.

>European gun laws

Semiautos all jam. Pumps are more reliable. Whoever said a 500 or 870 only lasts two weeks is god damn retarded.

>>34520182
>semi autos always jam
>1 round in 1000 shells will fail to eject if you spend more than 15 cents a shell
>when it does jam it just turns into a mildly inconvenient pump action
>meanwhile, 870 fags have to manually eject every single shell, will claim that having to manually eject 1 in 1000 somehow makes a semiauto worse.
Devastated poor fags.

>>34520197
If you are using bird loads its more than 1/1000. Also the rim of the shell can get stuck in a real fucked up way. Seen benelli super big black cocks lock up multiple times mid hunt. 150 dollar stevens with a butter smooth pump is better than a 2000 dollar jam fest.

>>34520216
Oh, you're a fudd. I get it now. Here's the real answer, guys. Semi autos need to be cleaned. Especially gas operated ones. You can't slam around a semiauto like you can a pump gun, you can't put 75,000 shells through it over the course of ten years and clean it once. Some guns have a user adjustable gas port that needs to be adjusted for light loads. Some guns automatically regulate gas. If you use 2.25 inch bitch loads, you will have problems. If you use 2.75 inch shells with any decent load, it will run like a champ. Turkshit semiautos can be had for sub 500 dollars and work great.

>>34520236
>2.25 inch shells
You are retarded.

>>34519134
Gee whiz, a company run by a guy who doesn't even know what the action bar on a shotgun is. No idea of the round count through the shotguns and he ditches the pumps the first breakage they endure.

Sure sounds like the 870 and 500 are total garbage and aren't just being beat to death by retards at a rental range. The guy even mentioned folks routinely ring the barrels which means they fire off a squib and don't care or know and pop off another round.

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>>34520244
It was hyperbole anon, I know you're not putting mini shells through a semiauto to hunt with. What I'm telling you is to quit using reduced recoil, bulk, shitty target shells.

>>34519070
>you can easily just become instructor zero with your pump action.

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>>34517417
Pump actions are fun.

>>34518911

This.

Low powered loads that don't cycle a semi-auto.

>>34519093
who the fuck is going to battlefield vegas to shoot pump shotguns

>>34517509
Rob is such a fucking weirdo

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>>34520620
I agrew

>>34519150

not bad at all

>>34519070
The videos show 0.16s shot to shot semi splits
and 0.45s shot to shot pump splits.
And those are expert shooters; if you want merely "with practice", you can expect the gap between the two to get bigger.

>>34519150
>that 70s porn music
But yeah, it's like a dick, you whip it out you better be prepared to use it.

>>34517808
A shotgun pumping noise says "I have a big gun, and I'm over here." Communicating this message could be good or bad, depending what he's doing, and how he'll react to it: run, freeze, or fight.
--If he's damaging property or hurting someone else, and will react to your gun by freezing or running, it can be a bit beneficial for you if he knows what he's up against asap by hearing a pump before you get within sight of him. A great story, a plausible story, but it's not the important plausible story.
--If he's stealing valuables and will react to hearing your gun by running away, that's detrimental, he gets a head start running away with your stuff.
--If he's going to react to your gun by maybe fighting, him hearing you before you both see each other is massively detrimental for you. He gets a possibly much better chance at killing you before you can assess, aim at, and shoot him.
You dying is the important plausible story. Pumping noises are overall detrimental.

>>34519723
>the same amount of energy that pushes forward pushes back
Pressure is absolutely diverted to cycle the action, even if your argument were "the round has left the barrel before the action even moves" it would only be right with certain designs.

They aren't recoil operated.

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>>34519226
Why not work two fast ones before pumping into it too

>>34522532
if you are operator enough that doubling price to lose .3 split between shots (measured with your 200 dollar shot timer) matters. Sure. Semi is better. As long as you have the ammo it likes.

In general? Pump action is a fine choice and digests everything.

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Looking into getting another pump shotgun, because I only have an Ithaca 37 at the moment. I'd like one around the $500 range, but I'm willing to go higher. Aftermarket support is a plus as well, though the most important factor would be for it to be one with good longevity.
Anyone have a recommendation for a solid one?

can't run less than lethal rounds through semiauto

>bolt action is not an option

>>34517417
>price
>reliability
>exotic loads

>>34523657
New to /k/ and noguns; how come?

>>34517417
>Is there ever a reason to choose a pump shotgun over a semi auto shotgun?
cold weather

>>34517969
As fast maybe, but faster? Doubt it

>>34519628
Isn´t the pumping a lot harder than with regular pumpguns? I heard that´s the case with the M3

>>34524054
Keep it clean and the pump-rod channel(s) lubed, it won't be a problem.

>>34519100
A good, and inexpensive if you look, SA shotgun would be a Browning Auto5. Make sure it hsa the friction rings properly set up, and it'll run like a champ. I picked up a '78 Japanese Auto5 Magnum for $450, you should have no problem finding one in good condition for around that. Older Belgians run a premium for authenticity, but for a working gun, any derivative will set you up right as rain.

>>34517463
Yeah, but that's not a reason to choose it OVER the semi, all you're saying is that you might be able to tie one.

I guess there's the advantage of it being harder for people other than you to use though. But by the same logic I could say "revolver cylinders are better than magazines because they're too much of a pain in the ass for my kids to load and fire while I'm not home".