if krauts had won the battle of kursk how much they would have

>>34502088
maybe few more months until soviets start new operation called "WE WUZ ROMANUS AND SHIT"

Doesn't matter. The Germans lost when they failed to take Moscow.

The nazi's were a disorganized bunch of ideological morons, they never stood a chance.

Two days, or the time it would take to """ train""" another batch of a few millions russkis

>>34502698
The Germans lost in a lot of places. They lost when they failed to take Britain out. They lost when they bailed Mussolini out in Greece, thus delaying Barbarossa to the point where they would need to endure the Soviet winter before reaching Moscow. They lost when they allowed 6,000 of their own paratroopers to be killed, injured, or missing on Crete, preventing them from being used in Barbarossa to secure various airfields, bridges, and other strategic points. They lost when they got tangled up in Yugoslavia, where many thousands of Germans had to be committed to try (and fail) to keep the Partizans down. They lost in a lot of places. National Socialist leadership was pretty garbage-tier, and they only held out so long because they got the drop on everyone at the beginning.

>>34502762
This.

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>>34502762
I love pseudo-history too.

>>34503230
Really? Pointing out how the Germans stretched themselves too thin, got tangled up in too many places, and constantly delayed Barbarossa is "pseudo-history?" Facts are facts.

>>34503250
The Germans wuz da good guys n sheeeit, dey dindunuffin, muh delousing program, muh jews, muh wunderwaffen would've won the war if they weren't [bullshit].

>>34503276
I don't think he or she is saying the Germans would have won a-la Stormfront. Just that they sucked at making military decisions that cost them dearly.

>>34503296
>she
Come on. You know you don't even need to put this there.

>>34503296
Thank you! They made shit-poor decisions, had shit-poor leadership, and shit-poor resources. Really, all of the Axis nations were full of hubris and stupidity, especially Spaghetti Land.

op here
i thought up that question because a lot of people say that kursk was the decisive battle against the soviet and i want to know if they really had a chance to restart an offensive if they would have won (probably not)

>>34502762
We failed to knock Britain out of the war.
The War in the Soviet Union has broken down.
There is only one way to reverse this situation.

DECLARE WAR ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!

>>34503351
Why more generals weren't willing to kill Hitler is just baffling. He was basically committing national suicide and they went along with him.

>>34503351
>DECLARE WAR ON THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!
It was a formality at that point. The US signed lend-lease in march of 41 and was depth charging u-boats by April.

>>34502762
>>34503351
One of the biggest fucking mistakes i will never understand was Ukraine. When Germans came they were greeted as saviors. Literally Ukrainains were happy that nazis invaded sicne living under commies was hell for them. Germany could've easily another 500k+ troops but instead retards like Himler said Ukraine will have same fate as Poland.
National Socialism sounds really nice but their leadership was plain fucking retarded
>>34503382
Same Soviet Generals tried to kill Stalin and other leaders
They were afraid for them, their familes etc. To have succesful coup you need to have more than 50% of command structure to succed.

>>34503382
Because the allies had made it clear they wanted to force an unconditional surrender. Their options were either to assassinate the leader of their country in a war time and expedite the process or stick it out and hope for a miracle.

>>34503416
>retards like Himler said Ukraine will have same fate as Poland
its was moslty because for some retarded reason germans distrusted their occupied regions
we had a similar case here were would have joined in a heart beat if it meant atleast some form of independence yet germans were too afraid to even give guns to our volunteers and at the same time wanted to form an ss legion ( they failed)
like how retarded can you get?

>>34503416
Meh. I don't like any system with the word "Socialism" in the name. Honestly, Stormfags love to brag about Nat-Soc successes, but rationing in Germany started in 1937, before the war even started. Their whole Race-worship was retarded. They happily banished many Jewish scientists who then went over to the Allies and helped them. Hitler sabotaged his own atomic program. He incurred the wrath of every population in Europe, even the Germanic ones.

>>34503416
It has more to do with the fact that people aren't retarded and could see which way the wind was blowing. In 41, Germany was mandhandling the soviets so the "liberated" people welcomed them as saviors. In 1943 the Red Army was doing the manhandling, so the "liberated" people welcomed THEM as saviors. Don't confuse collaborating with the presently-winning side as genuine ideological solidarity.

>>34503485
REEEE NATSOC ISNT REAL SOCIALISM!!! REE FUCKING INDIVIDUALIST CAPITALIST PIGS FUCKING LOLBERTERIANS!!!

>>34503526
Pretty much. Read the 25 Points of National Socialism, and it's pretty much what any Burnie-Bro demands from the Gov.

>>34503547
The 25 points Hitler refereed to as "the so-called program of the movement" and were never put into practice?

>>34503347
An offensive with what troops? The nazis were spent by '41.

Fuck. Even if they HAD made it to moscow, there would have just been stalingrad/leningrad 3: now with subways. There was literally no way for the nazis to win the war.

>>34503558
And yet he was still calling for them.

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
-Hitler, 1927

>>34503317
I believe in gender equality, anon. Shitposting has no gender

>>34503565
Metro 1941
And now I want this game.

>>34503588
...Oh jesus fuck that would be horrifying.

Fucking fund it.

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>>34503574
>We are socialists
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Socialism_(Germany)
>we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries
I guess being in favor of labor laws means you're literally Trosky
>with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance,
Affirming the existence of hierarchy is awfully anti-socialist
>and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions.
And they did, with the volk programs.
>And yet he was still calling for them.
and yet he never implemented them

>>34503578
then you should have used a better pronoun like, "xe".

check your fucking privilege.

>>34503656
Still a filthy Stateist who crushed human rights under his heel and got his people into a war they couldn't hope to win. His economic policies were unsustainable, and his social policies were abysmal. National Socialism is an error that should never be repeated.

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>>34503727
>Still a filthy Stateist
Don't worry, you'll grow up.

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>>34503588
>>34503626
>Artyom with a PPD-40 hunting Krauts in the Metro.
Yes.

>>34503727
low qual b8

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Everybody knows NVA was better anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF-pddicIfA

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>>34503773
my fellow patrician

>>34503751
Really? I believe the current state of the U.S. welfare system, and the mismanagement of VA healthcare should give an ample testimony to the "abilities" of government management. And, no, I'm not as anti-government as the Libertarians. I welcome government oversight of infrastructure, military, and law enforcement. I just don't want them controlling healthcare and welfare, among other things.

>>34503805
>Really? I believe the current state of the U.S. welfare system, and the mismanagement of VA healthcare should give an ample testimony to the "abilities" of government management.
Have you ever been to the fucking VA? The problem isn't the system, its the diversity hire employees.

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>>34503794
Bundeswehr was a mistake I tell you

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/the-german-hair-force-a-failed-experiment-in-military-manes-a-744992.html

>>34502088
A few months, if they had somehow pushed through at Kursk despite going full retard and attacking into meticulously prepared defensive positions the Soviets could still replenish their losses easier than the Germans could, they'd be in the same position they were after Kharkov. They could choose to try and recreate Manstein's backhand blow on the inevitable Soviet counteroffensive or blow their load on another disastrous offensive like Kursk turned out to be in real life but the end result is still the Germans getting pushed out of Russia.

>>34503574
And then he wen't and killed all of the left wingers in his party during the night of the long knives.
Then a few years after that the Nazis sent all of the socialists and trade unionists to the concentration camps.
The socialism was a front to try and engage young and active supporters, it disappeared the moment Hitler consolidated power.

>>34502729
>Two days, or the time it would take to """ train""" another batch of a few millions russkis
Was everyone conscripts or did Russia have separate professional soldiers?

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>>34503822
>Bundeswehr was a mistake
Germany was a mistake.

>>34502762
>They lost when they allowed 6,000 of their own paratroopers to be killed, injured, or missing on Crete, preventing them from being used in Barbarossa to secure various airfields, bridges, and other strategic points

No, they lost when they didn't take Malta by air assault. Six thousand dead ain't shit. Train replacements. Malta fucked Germany in North Africa and it was all downhill from there.

>>34504225
>Train replacements.

They did pretty sure the Hermann Göring Fallschirmjäger division was lost in Tunisia 1943 then reformed.

>>34503511
At least one Gauleiter complained to Berlin about German mistreatment driving Ukrainians to fight against the Wehrmacht. Wehrboos make the mistake of thinking every German policy was intelligent. Hugo Boss uniforms don't make you any smarter.

Germany could have liberated vast areas and turned their populations against the Soviets, but they were too cool for school.

>>34503820
Old vet here and VA like civilian providers vary FUCKING DRASTICALLY. Also there is never a free market in medicine. Talk to anyone in the industry.

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>>34502088
more lend lease
more strategic bombings
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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If only based Strasser was the leader of Germany instead of that retard Hitler.

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>>34502094
No fuck you, our board is fucked beyond repair
/k/ has already turned /pol/, we've provided the most resistance but look where it's fucking got us

>>34505220
>I don't go to /pol/ and post about history. I don't go to /pol/ and post about tv shows. I don't go to /pol/ and post about comics, books, cartoons, video games, transportation, paranormal, cooking or to ask for advice.

>Why is it so difficult for you to extend the same courtesy?

>>34502762
Funny how most of that is actually mussolini's fault. He would open a new front and hitler would have to finish the job or the British would land wherever the Italians just attacked.

>>34503929
It disappeared the moment hitler consolidated power
No

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>>34504084
Pretty much, yeah.

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>>34502762

To be fair they also expected Japan to also attack the Soviet Union. Not the United States. Also the partisans are grossly over exaggerated in actual effectiveness. ESPECIALLY in France. Imagine finding out some of your family was in resistance. being super excited to read about the resistance. And then finding out with some research that they did jack shit pretty much everywhere
Citations i remember off the top of my head
Black Angels
The Army of Evil
Order of the Deaths Head
KleineKrieg
Department of War on German Anti Partisan activities 1941-44
Department of War on Partisan Operations 1940-45

>>34502117
Stalin actually idealized the former Tsars, which is fairly humorous considering his past, and the beginnings of Bolshevism.