Just watched the Macintosh 1000 round test of the famous Sig

>>34501889
It's rust. SIGs are just pure trash.

>>34501898
It takes trash to know trash

That looks more like fouling and heat on top of the areas where the bluing has been worn away. This is actually pretty typical with pistols like this because the barrel rubs the slide as it's blown back. I have the beginnings of that silver ring on some of my glocks.

>>34501900
Glad you admit SIG is shit.

That looks an awful lot like rust to me, and I've lived on the coast my whole life so I've seen some rust.

>>34501925
I guess if it doesn't affect the inside of the barrel it's not a huge concern then

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>>34501976

Saying this when the P226/228/229 never shows this under similar conditions, or the Beretta 92 or the Glock brand Glawk.

Rob Cohen Sig-Sauer QC is not anything like Sig-Sauer's autizmo levels of QC in days past.

>>34502186
Are SIG circling the drain then?

>>34501889
>>34501925
>>34502186
can this be prevented through proper maintenance?

I've put over 2000 rounds in my glock. My barrel is still in prestine condition. Sig is shit. Traded all mine to Fudds for cash.

>>34502633
You've probably never overheated your Glock though, like in the torture test

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>>34501889
>almost bought a P320 the other day
>went for the VP9 instead
Crisis averted?

>>34502999
And I don't think you'll see many trying either. Even if you find shitty soviet 9x19 for $0.10 a pop, that's $100 and a shit ton of barrel wear at high heat to run this test.

>>34501889
Exeter Sigs rust. I thought everyone knew this?

>>34502285

Sig USA's business strategy is marketing first and profits seconds. It's why you can buy 20+ variations of the P226 but only the MK-25 has the level of QC for a Sig. Plus with outsourcing classic P22x parts to India, product revisions every couple years, and a shady XM17 award. Plus the P250/P320 are the cheapest COTS pistols from the company who has thrown out their QC

>>34502602
It's probably not going to happen under normal conditions. Putting 1,000 rounds fast is rough on any pistol not rated for full auto. Still, it doesn't inspire confidence if their steel is oxidizing when others don't show this.

>>34502999
Plenty of Glock torture tests on Youtube that do not show it. At worst, you will break a guide rod if it's a Gen3

>>34503380
>break a <plastic> guide rod

At least Sig was smart enough to get this part right. Walther pulled the same cost cutting shit and it was the first thing I replaced in my pistol.

>>34503380
>>34503430
Also, not to excuse that shitty finish, but rust on the outside of the barrel isn't nearly as big an issue as a broken guide rod if you still happen to need to shoot someone.

Does anyone know what temperature parkerization burns off? I assume that's what they used on the exterior of the barrel.

I had no idea metal oxidized under extreme heat.

>>34503470
I think it must be the surface finish being heated beyond its limits, losing its bonding to the metal beneath, then being scraped off by friction, and then the underlying surface oxidizing

>>34503470
>I had no idea metal oxidized under extreme heat.
No shit senpai
Why do you think welders use Argon?

>>34501925
>This is actually pretty typical with pistols like this
It's not typical for a properly lubricated pistol to start rusting on the barrel after only firing 1000 rounds, even in a single sitting like that. Either Tim did something to the gun beforehand to fuck with it (highly likely, given his bias), or there is something seriously wrong with that Sig.

>>34503263
>VP9
>Not a P30

Crisis moved slightly but still in the vicinity.

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>>34506862
if i'm correct, this isnt rust. that type of oxidation can't happen that fast without some type of purposeful chemical instigation.

to me, this looks like common barrel wear, plus fouling which happens to have a brownish color. i'm theorizing that this is a formation of lacquerized bluing, carbon, and lube.

below is an animation of what happens to the barrel in the firing sequence of this action arrangement. note the barrel coming off axis, and contacting the slide. note the inside of the slide at 24:00 in the video.

http://imgur.com/OTWUFep

It honestly looks like baked on lube and fouling, most of it even wiped away.

>>34506628
What does a LOTR character have to do with welding?

>>34503263
>VP9
gross dude

>>34503263
Slightly better, but still in shit territory.

>>34503263
>see MAC's 1k torture test with p320
>no functional issues

muh crisis averted

>see MAC's VP9 videos

muh crisis aver-

>>34507785
>>34507819
What's wrong with the VP9?

>>34501889

>1000 rounds

>gun not modified as a full auto

holy shit so boring

Butti pluggi

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>>34508858
>What's wrong with the VP9?

according to early 2000s HK USP faggots, it's unsafe because it doesn't have a safety...

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>>34503263
My nigger

>>34510031
you know how there are sort of classy porn stars like madison ivy? with the vp9, you got a girl from asianstreetmeat instead...

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>>34510058
Handgat is fine. I can't wait for the L model to drop.

>>34510081
it seethes of gimmicky trashyness.

>>34510101
I want one but I especially want one with a Match Weight

>>34510058
>sort of classy
>bolt ons and a tranny face
sure i guess

>>34510031
>Work at gunstore
>We have a pretty neat return policy on all guns
>Young lady comes in
>Ends up buying a VP9
>Claims it keeps malfunctioning
>Thinking she's inducing it
>It can't eject to save its life
>Shitty, inconsistent ejection
>We return it and give her another one
>It does the same exact thing
>Think it's just a couple of lemons
>This past sunday a previous customer brings in his VP9
>Wants to drop it off with the gunsmith
>Says it won't eject at all
>Jesus Christ what's going on here
>Sold a VP9
>Guy was excited and went to shoot ASAP
>Immediately wants to return it
>won't eject
>HK
>Not even once.

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>>34510199
>Not even once.

>>34510058
the original streetmeatasia was so good
whatever happened to those guys? i figure they probably did something a bit too wild.

>>34510258
I hope they died of AIDS.

>>34510270
That would be... quite likely actually. Never considered that, thanks.

>>34510058
Near the top of the list of stars whose looks were ruined by surgery to appease normies.
See also: Nicole anniston

>>34510281
Name a single star improved by surgery

>>34510277
fucking sad, poor thai hookers bare back that much just has to have that result.

>>34510281
so you're telling me madison ivy looks bad?

>>34510081
>handgat
kill yourself

>>34510307
Well, there are worse ways to go at least.

>>34510199
>things that never happened but I spent all my good boy points on nugget food
>will never have enough good boy points for anything hk
>oh well if I can't have it, must be shit

I haven't watched the video yet and won't be able to for a while, were there any malfunctions with the gun at any point?
I really want a full size with those 21 round magazines.

>>34510703
Not a single malfy

>>34503313
Neat where's your proof? Oh wait you don't actually own guns and parrot what others say

>rust

ITT an entire thread of anons are retarded.

That's galling. How to prevent it? Use lots of oil on the parts that rub together when firing lots of bulletz.

>>34510286
jenna jameson

>>34503430
You understand that a plastic guide rod is better than a steel one correct?

>>34511531
No, actually. But I'm willing to learn why.

>>34511531
Well I can certainly see why from Gaston Glock's point of view. In the rare chance I run a 1000 round test on his gun, I'll probably be buying a replacement plastic rod and spring from him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyZxQfIBXDc&t=5m20s

>>34511531
Metal-on-metal binding at high temperatures?

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>>34501898
BHHAAAAAAA!!

>>34501898
A Muslim? Making judgment calls on what's garbage? Mein sides.

>>34511535

Half the unit cost for the manufacturer?

>>34510199
I once rented a VP9 and it shot just fine. This was last year though so I don't know when that happened to you, assuming it ever did.

>>34501898
>wins MHS contract, beating FN, S&W, and Glock
>goes through 1000 rounds as fast as it can be fired with no hiccups
>oh no the barrel has some surface rust because the finish baked off after being kept at 300 degrees for 15 minutes, must be trash

Poor bait, kebab

>>34511373
It's not galling, it's brownish-red residue that partially cleaned off with oil but remained in the surface of the steel. That's rust.

>>34506862
We know tim and sig hate each other but he said he really liked the p320, and that the stuff which may or may not be rust wasn't a big deal for having just gone through a marathon of relatively hot ammo.

>>34513135
this...

>>34510199
I have literally never had a problem with my VP9, let alone a chronic failure to eject.

>>34510140
Lol my dude you know those aren't coming back like ever again right?
Let it go.

>45 IPs
>45 glock owners

>>34513163
This guy doesn't understand how rust works.

>>34501889

Chris Bartocci is on 8k so far. Said he's finishing it today

>>34513290
Did you ever notice that /k/ has more "bitch-fighting" of men slapping men, than any other board on 4chan? I mean the constant "manlet!" "limpwrister!" "noguns!" and petty put-downs like that. Normal men do not get into slapfights in public like this. There is something about owning guns that brings out people's insecurities. You're just going to always get a lot more insecure men among shooting/gun-owning circles than in other circles.

Tim's personality follows this same theme, but on steroids. If there's a gun manufacturer that hasn't given him a factory tour, flown him to Europe and put him up in a luxury hotel for the week, or given him free stuff in some other way, then he seems to ALWAYS find a way to get that manufacturer's gun to malfunction on camera. It's all sleight of hand. If you shoot guns enough, you'll realize that there are tricks you can do to make reliable guns jam on camera. Most of the MAC audience doesn't have the same experience and will never fact-check him, though. And that's how Tim's ego gets even bigger.

>>34514309
What?

https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-VP9-VP40-Match-Weight-Quick-Detach-Steel-379p18154.htm

0000 steel wool and some oil, git er dun

>>34517091

Bartocci is probably the most credible Jewtube firearms personality.

>>34515984
the smoke of the ammo reminded me of black powder, maybe there is a problem with the ammo. the barrel should not rust there, it's a high friction area and any rust should be polished off immediately. otoh, HK and Sig can't get a nitride finish right to save their lives. you can't compare HK/Sig metallurgy to Glock. Glock finish and surface hardness are leaps and bounds ahead - so much so you can use a Glock barrel to engrave a Sig/HK barrel with. I'm always amazed how lubricious Glock parts feel even when stripped of any lube with break cleaner while HK/Sig feel like dry black board.

>>34518071
>Glock finish and surface hardness are leaps and bounds ahead
Not on the Gen 4s. Seriously. They took a huge step back in quality. They don't even tennifer anymore.

>>34518105
it's all the same. niggers complained gen3 looked to glossy and orange peely so they made it more matt and smooth. durability, corrosion resistance, hardness of the parts are still the same.

>>34501898
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7nLo2AK4fs&index=1&list=PLuXxHEHGRVu9H54IfV0XkhnqkcC3wm8mR

>>34503313
Wow are people actually still memeing this? Holy cow.

>>34518105

Tennifer is trademarked name. Glock still uses ferritic nitrocarburizing, just not under a trademark name.

>>34503313

Mine never have.

>>34501898
why haven't you been banned...

>watching MAC

the goyim are aware of that POS.

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>>34519444

>>34519444
Sootch is worse though. Literally every product he reviews is praised to the heavens. Don't even get me started on his shilling for Inter-Ordnance.

>>34519964
Nothing wrong with lying for free stuff. I'd do it too!

>>34517925
No, youre thinking of /b/ friend. Also, if you dont like funs, you dont have to stay

>>34518199
>durability, corrosion resistance, hardness of the parts are still the same.

Bullshit. Gen 4s are peeling and scratching like crazy.

>>34518329
Their process has changed and home to shit.

>>34510703
Get the x5 senpai, it's worth it.

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>>34501889
Most of you spurgs don't put 1000 rounds through your handguns in 6 months, let alone 15 minutes. Clean your guns after every range session and don't pretend you're going to engage in a 1000 round gunfight any time soon with a handgun.

>>34518012

Honestly. Came out of nowhere and started dropping knowledge. I only wish his camera and mic were better and we could get a further zoomed out view of his room kinda like C&NArsenal and it'd be a 11/10

>>34511531
Citation required

>>34521196
That's not an answer.

I've been looking to pick up a 229 legion but I've heard they aren't as reliable as Sig's used to be, is there another version of the 229 I should look at with that renowned sig qc?

>>34521671
One that's not made in America

>>34522878
Are those readily available in lgs's?

>>34523007
I have no idea, I don't live there

I've seen this happen on cheap headers, it's a type of oxidation. Chances are the gun wasn't oiled enough, when the finish bakes off at high temps the barrel has a layer of oxidation form very quickly, think of it as heat rash for metal.

>>34523271
Fair enough lol, I meant are they still fairly common on the market or do you have to dig around online? Most of the ones I've seen are branded with Exeter

>>34520587
Right on cue. Thanks for proving me right.

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If it tickles anyone's boner, I've put +2,000 rounds through the P320C I got this year. I clean after every range trip and don't do autistic things with it like throw it in the mud so maybe that's why mine doesn't have oddball problems.

>>34523551
>owning a gun
>shooting it that much
Ugh....

le sig rust

I wish the p320 came in 10mm

>>34511535
Because it's a non-stress bearing part. Making it plastic just makes the gun lighter with no detriment to its function.

>>34513135
>wins MHS contract, beating FN, S&W, and Glock

It won due to cost effectiveness though. It was less reliable and accurate than the other competitors.

>>34501889
>Just watched the Macintosh 1000 round test of the famous Sig Sauer P320
>I have a question, what on earth happened with the barrel? I have attached an screenshot of Mac pointing to these mystic brown surface blemishes. Mac said it was rust but what else could it be? Hope you're having a great day.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RyHpxjiXsc
You haters are some special kind of stupid...he fired 1000 rounds as fast as humanly possible in 13 minutes...the gun didn't even hiccup.....still......THIS GUN SUCKS. wow

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>>34501889
>>34502186
>>34502285
>>34502602
Confirmed for never owning a sig or any pistol in general that has been shot more than 200 rounds

they all have finish wear off of the barrel and especially sigs, past 1000 rounds on any 226 ive seen the finish is practically history.

Like holy shit a pistol shoots for 1000 rounds with no flaws and the laws of science take effect after he puts that cheapo lube on the thing making rust and you guys act like it was supposed to turn into gold and give MAC a fucking blowjob or something.

>>34518012
Dude is top tier. He drops truth and knowledge bombs all day on everyone and anything.

>>34521153
Not that guy, but what he said is pretty much true. The depth, and subsequently the hardness, corrosion resistance, and all that good stuff that's a result of the chemical alteration of the surface of the metal from both the new and old ferric nitrocarburizing processes is the same. The cosmetic top coating is what changed. I too wish the black, shinier top coating was retained, but it's no big deal.

>>34529396
>he fired 1000 rounds as fast as humanly possible in 13 minute
I bet I could do it in 12 minutes.

>>34513135
It won because it was able to do it for the cheapest.

>Why no one sticks to the god-tier Browning HP and CZ75

when did firearms stop being tested for ten thousand round and start being tested for 1000? 1000 rounds is like ONE FUCKING DAYS ACTIVITY

>>34506628
Guess it's true, people with assburgers don't pick up on sarcasm.

>>34510281
August Ames is the worst, she went from hot as fuck to looking like Caitlyn Jenner 20 years younger.

>>34530495
>1000 rounds is like ONE FUCKING DAYS ACTIVITY
Sure if you're an IPSC pro, 1000 rounds in under 20 mins is rough on any gun.

>>34501889
SIGs rusting is not a bug, its a feature.

The barrels are engineered to rust as time goes on to compensate for the recoil springs losing strength thereby keeping slide velocity constant through the life cycle via friction.

4D engineering

>>34530495
it went through 1000 rounds easy in 13 minutes
thats pretty impressive

>>34530495
The entire military of the US has probably not fired over 1000 rounds out of handguns in combat during the last hundred years.

The sidearm is a toy / free money to the MIC.

>>34501898
can we just kill them all and take all their oil and shit already?

>>34530567
Can we take their women too

>>34529357
>>34530413
Dont just go spewing words anon. Post them facts. Post them facts and links right now you nigga!

>>34530567
We got our own oil and natural gas. its more plentiful, cheaper (gee. lets ship all this bullshit across the earth, that somehow saves us money. honest), and better.
>>34532793
No. We do not need more unibrow genetics or weird diseases due to endless generations of inbreeding.

>>34501898
Protip my cordite enriched friend; If something is ugly and works, it works. I am sure you eagerly swaggle the cock of the AK series, despite all its ugly but works methodology.

If a handgun is covered in fucking surface rust, fires, and operates reliably, well, fuck it. AK-47 methodology right?

>>34501889
This thread is full of morons who are talking about the exposed bare metal like it's the issue, when the issue is clearly the fucking RUST on the crown of the muzzle. Fuckin tards everywhere.

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>>34501889
SIG haters utterly BTFO. They will never recover.

>>34510199
>Bought VP9
>Mac puts out his shill torture test videos
>Get kind of worried
>Drop it in puddle, shoots fine
>Drop it in snow, needs to be racked after the 1st shot but then shoots fine
>Put 3000 rounds through it in 250-500 rd sessions, never cleaned but lubed, shoots fine, no rust
>Autists on the internet still insist my gun must survive having a hot wing dump forcefully massaged and compacted into the action before nuking it from orbit or I'm going to die
>They can never point to a gun that hasn't failed torture tests attempting to replicate their obnoxious hypotheticals
>Realize that these vids are stupid because if you have any fucking common sense you should know not to clog your goddamn firearm with debris
>Realize I have much bigger problems in life if my last resort survival strategy involves digging in mud/dirt for functioning handguns
>Continue carrying VP9 without issue
>Laugh at autists who make dumb shit up about guns they don't own because apparently everything but the police tradein glock they spent their allowance on is shit

Life's good

>>34529893

>Lubricant causes rust guys
>I'm the only faggot on /k/ that can buy fucking Sig Sauer because only classy operators like me can afford them
>Some other guy on a Canadian Dairy Cow Forum buys several P229s/P225/P228 that never rust from all decades despite uber wear

Nah bru, Sig Sauer USA is a fucking joke along with their disposable P320.

>>34530551
Neat post your rusted sig

Oh wait you don't own any sigs
And you probably don't own any guns

What a faggot lmao

>>34533355
Cool post your sigs

Oh wait you don't own any and you're just parroting shit you heard

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>>34533114
This.
>What's that, my VP9 might malfunction after whipping it at a fucking tree?
Color me surprised.

If you're dropping your gun into rivers, mud, or throwing them around without any sort of regularity, the issue might be with you, not the gun you choose to carry.

Get a grip, butterfingers.

>>34533575
You're a fucking retard. Even if you never do those things why not have a gun that can withstand it versus overspending for a piece of shit that can't? It's not the point that you will literally do all those things exactly it's just a measure to how much abuse a gun can take for reference.

God you people and your post purchase justification.