Let's talk about the F-4, truly the best plane of its era.

>>34500021
>America's most successful jet
>Looks like it was designed by Russians

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Gonna dump some F4 pics, she is my planefu.

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>>34500253

I think your putting the cart in front of the horse. This is what Russian jets looked like at the time.

Air to air kill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpYfqI8uMKM

Easily the ugliest plane the US has ever produced on scale.
The Starfighter comes close, but at least that had the 1950s Buck Rogers theme going for it. The Phantom is just ungainly, a flying lump.

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>>34500306
That's part of the charm.

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>>34500306
DELET THIS!!!

Phantom isn't ugly, just big boned

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>>34500021
The phantom gets my dick hard.

Post ultra-high performance phantoms

>>34500306

It's as ugly as a hammer but did exactly what it was designed to do. Functionality is it's own form of attractive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHZuNZlvn_w

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>tfw when the F-4X proposal never came to fruition

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_McDonnell_Douglas_F-4_Phantom_II_variants

2000mph phantoms

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Long legs

>Seeexeeeeyyyy

Say something about the Phantom that most people don't know.

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>>34500361
Sum proto-brrrrrt

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>>34500306
>Literally called the flying cartoon rocket ugly.

IDK if I could ever be more disgusted with someone

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>>34500355
>When F4 and F14 have sneaky carrier sex

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>>34500371
RR stands for Rolls Royce - and Rock 'n' Roll

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Korean waifu

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>>34500382
Some germans like it extravagant

Gimme some lozenge-camo Phantom DUDE!

>>34500306
Proving even a brick will fly if you put enough thrust behind it. She is beautiful for what she did, not how she looked.

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>>34500385
Dat 엉덩이

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>>34500021
>90 000 rounds per minute

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>>34500393
Mah dick is about to expolode

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>>34500409
And her sister near the DMZ

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>>34500356
Funny, "Hammer" (Kurnass) was what the Israelis called theirs.

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>>34500421
HNNGGGGG

>>34500430
With that picture I now know East Germany was a mistake.

>>34500430
>israeli version has a longer nose

it's like they are memeing themselves

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>tfw you take off with the wings up.

>>34500366

F4 has only recorded supersonic air to air gun kill

In 1972, an F-4 piloted by Maj. Phil Handley shot down a MiG-19 with guns while both aircraft were traveling supersonic.

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Thread theme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkTLLa9atB8


Exactly THIS version

Fuck Kenny Loggins

Mig 21 killings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmPrp0Rg9aw

>>34500453
>trying too hard, the song
seriously sounds like the singer's about to shit himself at any moment

Vietnam Napalm runs. Some really good images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifilTM9LFHw

The re-engined super phantom would have had better kinematic performance than the legacy hornet.

>>34500543

Those willy pete bombs. So pretty and so deadly.

>>34500453
Song is shit

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Boeing 'Super' Phantom ; replacing the J79s with PW1120s, enabling super cruising.

Also note conformal belly tank for additional 4200L of fuel

>>34501645
i thought it was J58s...

>>34500021
F4 Phantom and F5 Tiger 2 would have been the best hi/low fighter combo possible.

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My favorite F4 image. From my unit's deployment to Iceland sometime in the 80s.

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>>34500306
>F-104
>ugly
Neck yourself faggot

>>34500021
Can't say as long but F-16 is getting close to that.

>>34501671
The F-4X proposal was to use a water injection system with the existing J79s which was calculated to make it capable of 2000mph+.

Apparently it was close enough to the performance of the SR-71 that it was banned from export.

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>>34501645
IAI actually built one on their own, called it F-4-2000.
Never saw any orders, possibly killed by Boeing fearing for 4th-gen sales.

>>34500366
Please correct me if i'm wrong. The Mg 19 is a souped up 17, with a Mig 21 engine and lengthened a bit?

>>34501720
Nice

>>34500021

Needs more gun.

>>34501733
Ferrari?

>>34500021
>5x 20mm gun pods
>15x 7.62mm gun pods

for what purpose

>>34502399
Lead rain of course.

>>34502399
>5x20
BRRRRRRRRRRRRTT

>15x7.62
brrrrrrrrrrriiit

>>34502399

When you're coming in for a gun run, you're only actually on-target for a few seconds, so you need to put as much dakka as you can onto the target before you pull away. Fifteen .30 miniguns is a hell of a lot of dakka.

>>34502387
Ducati

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>>34502571
>1500 7.62x51mm real fuckin NATO bullets per second

>>34501749
F-16 has like 1 air to air kill which was another f-16.

>>34503008
Are you completely incapable of doing any research?

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>>34503008
Here, educate yourself.
On a related note, why are Russian/Soviet planes so shite?

>>34503097
reflective paint. for nukes

>>34503097
Eagle is GOAT! Prove me wrong.

>>34500021
its shit

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>>34503137
No U!

>>34500021

the pilot in the book War For the Hell of It flies an F4 I believe. all he does in his spare time is sit outside and drink. I read that shit in high school and it still sticks with me

>>34500366
>Say something about the Phantom that most people don't know.

If your squat switch isn't right or you deactivate it for other maintenance you can shoot off your own nose gear with a centerline gun pod (the usual station) during ground maintenance. It happened at least once in Korea. Killed an expediter who was parked in front. I wasn't there for that one and am glad of it.

J-79s could ingest an impressive amount of FOD and keep running. Two ANG Phantoms IFE'd into Moody when I was stationed there because they had a midair. The wingman's radome was smashed by colliding with his leads left stab and disintegrated with many chunks going down the intakes. Only one engine flamed out so crew didn't have to eject. The fans looked hideous but neither engine came apart. The radar antenna stayed with the package but blew backwards around it like a failed umbrella.

During violent maneuvers it's possible to snap Phantom engine mounts but the engine bay doors are so stout they hold everything sufficiently that you can RTB with no indication other than the G meter that you over G'd it. In the 1980s there were plenty of Nam vet Phantom drivers and they trained like they fought. Glad I was a 328X0. Phantom was maintenance intensive and that's putting it mildly.

If someone says they worked on them ask if they got any Aux Air Door bites.

>>34502399
>for what purpose

Test wing doods do cool shit because it's cool and you don't know until you try. Got pods? Got weapons stations? Why not hang 'em and have some fun?

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I love the F-4.

I have no context, no idea what unit or what era this is from, but I absolutely adore this paint scheme.

>>34501733
Zipper info from a study group I was in. (I was a maintainer, not a pilot. I didn't work 104s but got to see the West German Starfighters do a practice attack on my base which was very cool.):

"The F20 had one great flaw as far as I was concerned - rearward visibility. That is inexcusable in an air superiority fighter. As for performance, I was privileged to fly quite a few sorties in the F104A with the J79-19 engine. Its performance was stellar. I regret that Kelly Johnson was prevented from building the Lancer, which rectified the inherent shortcomings, mainly pitch-up and fuel endurance, of the 104 design.
That said, here are some performance stats of the 104A/J79-19
combination.
1. Brake release to .97 Mach = 43 seconds
2. Brake release to 45000 = 90 seconds ( did that myself).
3. Cross-country cruise M2.0 at 73,000. From that altitude and speed
the letdown at idle power covered about 275 miles. ditto)
4. Accel .95 to M2.0 = 1:45; 27 miles, 1000# fuel (ditto)
5. Accel .95 to 1.05 at 25,000 in level flight w/o AB (ditto)
6. M2.5 @ 45000 - two bachelor friends of mine in a night exercise
chasing an F4 at 1.4M. (My limit was 2.2; wife and 2 kids the reason.)
7. Regularly way exceeding the altimeter's mechanical limit of 86000
on zoom climbs with the old J79-3B engines. (BT,DT many times) Never
zoomed the Dash 19 version but U2s were easy meat with it, fuel-
critical with the old engine. 25% more thrust does help there!
8. M61 gun dispersion - 3 mils. As squadron weapons officer I
harmonized all our A-models and fired in enough to verify the
harmonization procedures. Rather impressive to find all 50 rounds of
a burst inside a 3 foot circle at 1000 feet range. (Gun fired at 67
rounds a second.)

continued next post

>>34503418
9. People bitched about the Zipper's turn capabilities. Using
maneuver flaps (limit 550/1.8M) the Zipper could outmaneuver the
F4D/E and the 106. Only the F8 could give it a fight until the F15
came along.
Added comment - note the canopies on the F15/16 and the Russian
fighters -some designers know what they're doing!
Last comment - we should have cloned Kelly Johnson; he could find
simple answers to complicated problems.
Walt BJ - 700+ hours in the 104A, 2000+ in the F4D/E, IP in
both. "

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Canoes from Vietnam. They make 'em out of old F-4 drop tanks.

>>34500306

the f-104 was (when given a disposable SRB) a suborbital spacecraft that was probably used to launch secret satellites

it's the coolest shit ever and if you disagree move to canada

>>34503414
From what I can gather, it was an experimental camouflage scheme created by Keith Ferris.

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>>34500021
*blocks your flightpath*

>>34502399
You can never have enough dakka

>>34500021
do you fire all of these at once, or a couple at a time?

>>34504499

Wild Weasel unblocks flight path

>>34503569
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CF-104_Starfighter

Running away wouldn't help.

>>34500306
u avin a giggle there mate?

>>34500381
they called it the f-111

>>34501645
>replacing anything with pratt
i threw up in my mouth a little

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>>34500306

It looks so much better without the shit underneath the nose, like on the late versions and the RAF version.

>>34500371
The concrete structure it's firing into is called a boresight pit. It's the same thing as taking your rifle to a range, but much fucking louder. They are mostly obsolete but that distinctive structure remains at many USAF bases.

Note the aircraft jacks supporting the nose and the tiedown cables controlling the aircraft position. That's necessary not to shoot off your nose gear in testing.

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look at that canting

>>34505175

You can boresight off of registration card. You don't need to boresight by firing. That is for weapons checks to make sure they are firing correctly.

You have to boresight FFAR rockets to the correct point of aim. You damn sure don't do it by firing them. You use a registration card or sometimes called a boresight card.

If you don't they just spray all over the place.

>>34504499
*chaffs*

>>34500361
>twelve foot drop from cockpit to deck

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>>34500469
Phantom also carried side-looking radar and target towing pods.

Napalm canisters make very nice travel pods with the addition of a side door. The door is sized to fit a golf bag with some wiggling.

You can still see Nam-vintage nape cans used as travel pods. They are older than the aircraft carrying them.

>>34501766
Relatives are still in Turkish service.

>>34505229
As I said, firing is mostly obsolete. It used to be common, see previous Zipper post. I enlisted in 1981 and pits had been obsolete for several years and were no longer maintained.

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>>34500306
>Easily the ugliest plane the US has ever produced on scale.

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>>34500306
kys

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Don't forget her final US mission: target drone. She served well and could even take multiple hits from (nonwarheaded) missiles.

>>34506378
d-delet

>>34506407
[It ain't me intesifies]

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>>34506418

>>34500021
Any plane that has the word "thunderbolt" in it
>the p47 thunderbolt, which have been recorded to fly with half the pistons blown off and once a german pilot ran out of ammo (trying) to shoot one down
>the A10 thunderbolt II, which has flown without hydraulics, sections of wing, and is the flying home to the gau-8 avenger

>>34500446
>1966
>Not increasing your wing loading and yaw stability a the same time
It's basically a F-16 now.

>>34502399
SHALL

>>34502399
Sometimes you REALLY need to fuck shit up.

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>>34500415
This is disgusting and it turns me on so fucking much.

>>34500306
It looks like it's pretty much symmetrical and doesn't have extremely angled air intakes like the f-15, or air intakes that are way below its center of mass like the f-16.

It's visually much more balanced than most.

>>34500021
I get what you're saying, but as far as longevity, users, and different roles go...nothing can touch the C-130

>>34503569
>it's the coolest shit ever and if you disagree move to canada

I'm in Canada and I approve this message.

The F-4 can be categorized as a spacecraft.

This makes it perhaps the most successful spacecraft after the Soyuz.

>>34500021
Has any other aircraft, before or since, managed to serve as well or as long with so many users in so many roles?

Yes, the F-16

>>34508764
If the Phantom was retired from world inventories it would take another 18 years before the F16 was even equal in length of service.

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>>34500021

Fun fact - Australian air force flew them for a few years in the early 70's whilst waiting for their F-111's to arrive.

Apparently they were really sad to see them go.

>>34500021
15 minigun pods...imagine the BRRRRRRT!!!

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>>34500021
>best plane of its era
Pfff. In your dreams.

>>34509126
New Zealand flew them until we left them outside to rust

>>34509885
Those were A4s, not F4s.
Your AF flew aggressor against our F18s until we were able to hack the IFF so we could shoot down Indo F16s.

>>34509126
F4 was the back up for the F111, we could run one or the other, but the F4 as a long term proposition needed AWACS & tankers, so even a decade over due and over priced the F111 still worked out cheaper.
Strange that 40 years later we are running Super Hornets with AWACS and tankers, in avery similar package to the F4 plan. The Supers were ordered as a temporary fix due to over due F35, just like the F4 & F111.

The one time (1999) the F111s were bombed up at Tindle, ready to launch at Jakarta it was expected to be a one way Kamikaze flight.

Even at that late date a squadron of F4s with Wild Weasels, KC135 & E3 would have been a better bet.

>>34509908
>The one time (1999) the F111s were bombed up at Tindle, ready to launch at Jakarta it was expected to be a one way Kamikaze flight.

Tell me more. Townsvillefag here.

>all this crossposting from /vg/

>>34509087
Considering there are countries that still buys new F-16,it won't be hard to go for another 18, 20 years

>>34500442
xd

The /k/ube has gifted you a F-4E airframe, how would you modify it to operate in current times?

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>>34509846

Sorry about your Soviet rustbucket. Cut girl tho.

>>34500415
Hahaha.... r/trashyboners that shit.

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Alright Fellas

Which Phantom NOSE do you like most?

- Classic (no gun, no sensors)
- Long nose (20mm Vulcan)
- Classic with AN/APQ-109 nose (with the small sensor under the radar
- RF-4 Nose

To me its pic related, the classic

>>34510717
The jewish nose of F-4 2000

>>34510634
If we're being realistic, re engine with GE-F414EPE engines (they fit without extensive modifications to fuselage.) Strip out and replace wiring the same way the Israelis did to theirs. We now have a plane with an empty weight of around 26,000lbs and a max thrust of 52,000lbs wet.

From there just modernize it with avionics, radar, rwr, ecm and other electronic stuff. Each of those wing hardpoints can hold multiple 500lb bombs, so they can probably be fitted with 2 AMRAAMS each.

End result is a plane that can carry 12 BVR missiles in an air defense role, and still carry the shitton of A2G ordnance it could before.

A final thought: at 15,000ft a lightly loaded f-4e can sustain a 10d/s turn. Increasing thrust on the super phantom gave it 11d/s. Withe the F414 engines, it could see ~12.5d/s sustained. More if you add the close coupled canards from the YF-4E. This could get it within spitting distance of the F-16.

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>>34502571

I wonder how much penetration 7.62 NATO gets when the gun is traveling at transonic speeds before the shots are even fired...

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>>34510717
Nip F-4's are the most aesthetic.

>>34506438
What are they testing?

>>34500306
Easily the most attractive quality of the F-4.

"Hey, its been 13 years since the war ended, and we are still uncovering kraut space magic, Look at some of what the Ruskies have done. Pretty futuristic look, isn't it?"

"Let's show them how America does. Build a birck. Now, make it faster than theirs"

"But sir, wouldn't it make more sense to build a sleek, competitive design?"

"I WANT A FLYING MUSCLE CAR. MAKE IT SO"

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>>34500021
my fav. jet. I was in while these still were operational, big fuckers in person. I've read these were the last jets with guns, true?

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>>34510984


> I've read these were the last jets with guns, true

no. Most (if not all) modern fighters have a gun. Here, a Gripen

>>34511001
If only Gripen cannons (and the later sensor pods) wasn't such an off-center tumor, Gripens could rival the F-4 in aesthetics.

>>34510984
Quite the opposite. It was gonna be the first jet without guns but then they realized they need one and they mounted guns externally.

F4s are IRL Y-Wings

>>34503335

>Phantom was maintenance intensive and that's putting it mildly.

Do you have anything to compare it to?

I'm always fascinated by aircraft maintenance and so forth, but all I got is variable geometry requires much maintenance

My grandpa flew the unarmed, photo recon version (RF-4?) in the early 60s. He put one into the ground on the border of Turkey while carrying a 4-star - flamed out both engines, ejected, hit the canopy on exit, helped by nomadic folks, and rode a camel back to base.
I'm now the same age as him and my life is boring af by comparison.
I have a lot of F4 manuals, pics, and such I'll have to dig up so I can post in the next F4 thread.

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>>34504499
>Jams radar
>Fires HARM missle

>>34503335
>I wasn't there for that one

Anon, I have to ask, how old are you?

>>34514219
I don't know why, but the mental image of a pilot returning to base on a camel amuses me greatly

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F4 vs pic related
Who wins?

>>34500286
fishbed is a sexy beast and i will fight anyone who says otherwise

>>34510868
AGM's

>>34500453
That version is shit
>I know, let's remake a song that is great as is and everyone likes it because of the way it is and then say it's great but only when remade and fuck the original.

>>34500469
>GAM-83A (BULLPUP) GUIDED MISSILES
>Bullpup
lol non-bullpup fags btfo

>>34500306
(you)s

>>34506703
>Has any other aircraft, before or since, managed to serve as well or as long with so many users in so many roles?

Neither the P-47 or A-10 has done that.

>>34500357
>>34500357

Jesus Christ sr71 speeds in a fucking F4!

>>34506324
Beauty

>>34500021
I now want a few dozen of those gunpods to mount to a mega-tank.

>>34501906

Nope. For starters, its two-engine, the only thing tying it to MiG-17 is vague superficial resemblance. The engines are basically a scaled down Tu-16 engines with afterburner.

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>All these F4 pics

>>34510792
Not going for a full napalm load out to burn the shit out of whatever your flying over?

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>>34500306
>F-4 is easily the ugliest plane the US produced on any scale
>Starfighter comes close

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>>34521929

Man it's amazing how fast tech moved after WWII
15 years the era of prop dominance we get the F-4.

It's been how many years now that they've been fucking around with the F-35?

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>>34521929

>>34500286
>they made a twin engine MiG15 but not MiG21

Missed opportunity.

They can bring back the F-4 out of retirement, make it an overweight bomb truck, and it would still be cheaper than the F-35.

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>>34500306

>>34503097
>Over 100 MiG23s lost

Wow I thought these things barely saw any fighting.

>>34500021
Russian aesthetics meet American tech.

>>34500306
Also known as the flying brick, lots of power.

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>tfw the B-1R was never a thing

>>34502399
>not wanting as much dakka as possible
get a load of this faggot

>>34510832
My dick has now reached the hardness and density of depleted uranium.

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was the tomcat the Phantom II II.0, essentially?

>>34517544
you fight like a girl

>>34505075
I can imagine the F-4X looking like this but with a longer, pointy (chine?) nose and conformal fuel tanks filling the gap between the spine and engines as a Foxbat/hound equivalent
Would probably have been a damn sight cheaper than the SR-71 (and pretty, but nothing can beat the Blackbird for looks)...

>>34510634
>>34510792, plus >>34529494's
>conformal fuel tanks filling the gap between the spine and engines
for reasonable range while carrying munitions instead of drop tanks; she won't be winning any stealth contests, slap on some canards too...

>>34527427
the Tomcat was an interceptor, the Phantom was a Fighter-Bomber.