what do think about Russian new DMR the first one is the SVDM,

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>>34491009
second is the VSSM

the scope on both gun is the 1P86 kolimator sight with adjustable magnification 1x and 4x

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>>34491035
last but not least
new 12.7mm sniper rifle ASVK Kord-M

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shameless bump

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I want to fuck those guns

"New"

Doesn't look like much is all that different about them. Modernized optics I suppose.

still using old ass rip off Ak patterns. Weak shit, just like anything Russian.

>>34491229
Notice how they're all manlets? just like mama Putin?

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>>34491361
>Ak patterns
SVD and VSS are not AK

ignorance should be a crime

>>34491297
they got 1913 rail now

the SVD got heavier barrel and free floating handguards for better accuracy

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I'm not a huge slavaboo but that SVDM makes me fully erect

>>34491054
I'm really intrigued by that bolt design.

>>34491009
Isn't the SVD already a really accurate rifle? I would like it if it had a classic shaped thumbhole stock

>>34492064
>3 moa
>really accurate

>>34492085
That's why I'm asking. i thought I remembered hearing it was like a 1.2 or 1.3 MOA gun. Guess not.

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>>34492085
stop using inrangeTV video as reference


this is a video with someone know what he doing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqfgAFHikg

>>34491009
It's not new. It's just more tacticool version of original SVDS. I like the new bipod place
>>34491035
The stock looks shitty. And why the cheekrest is made of wood?
>>34491054
Litetally no changes

Again, Ministry of Defence tries to demonstrate some activity.

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>>34492471
>It's not new
heavier barrel and free floating handguards
that are huge improvement

>>34492471
>And why the cheekrest is made of wood?
idk but maybe it cheaper than making a new mold
>Litetally no changes
fluted barrel

>>34492093
0.3 MOA with match grade

>>34492586
>idk but maybe it cheaper than making a new mold
Actually, I have another idea. Wooden cheekrest is comfier during the cold weather than a leather or plastic one.

>>34492085
Even if it was 3 MOA (it's not) the new one would still be better since it's had upgrades to its accuracy according to >>34491431

What happened to the SVD-12 ?

>>34491009
This isn't new.

if you look around you'll see articles in Russian about the SVD-M from like 3 years ago.

I think Flandre even talked about them in a video he did like a year ago.

The Russians have been saying they are going to adopt new rifles and modernize their military for the past 4 years under the "ratnik" brand, but they have yet to due so because of money.

>>34492800
you are thinking about battlefield you inbred fuck. Go back to playing COD.

Remember, you have to be 18 to be on this forum.

>>34492085
According to who?

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>>34492801
the old SVDM look like this from 2013

the mass production SVDM is the one in OP and it was adopted last year

>but they have yet to due so because of money.
they adopted part of the Ratnik

the only thing holding them back is that Kalashnikov Concern is a bitch and holding every back so their AK-12 can be adopted

the AK-12 just finish troop trial last month

>>34492841
probably Kart from InrageTV

>>34491229

Is inbreeding a requirement of being a Russian tanker?

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>>34492807
Hurr durr
The svk-12 exists
http://modernfirearms.net/sniper/sniper-rifles/rus/svk-e.html
http://csef.ru/en/oborona-i-bezopasnost/505/snajperskaya-vintovka-svk-konczerna-kalashnikov-7023

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>>34492908
SVK is no an AK

it was based on the MA

>>34492946
>Kalashnikov sniper rifle
>Not an Avtomat Kalashnikov
Ok
Did he designed this one before passing out ?

>>34492908
>He said "SVD-12" not "SVK-12" idiot

>>34492586
This will always be the most aesthetic of guns.

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>>34492956
it was based on the MA, designed by Dragunov

Kalashnikov is dead in 2013 you know

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>>34492992
7.62 ak12 exists

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>>34493028
Are you sure ?

>>34493061
Kalashnikov Concern is not Kalashnikov and his son, idiot

Fucking hell.
Are the cykablyats still gonna be using the AK action in a thousand years?

>>34493039
Jesus Christ the idiot said "SVD-12" not "AK12" you are literally illiterate.

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>>34493039
that is a photoshop render

original AK-12 only come in 7.62x39

also the original AK-12 is killed

>>34492064
It is quite good for the type of rifle it is, but this new heavy barrel will both allow a higher rate of fire and increased precision.

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>>34493080
they are using a 100 years old cartridge

until someone invent beam small arm, not thing will change

>>34493083
buy SVD-12, they are implying a sniper AK-12

>>34491671
That's just an SVDS

>>34492064
>>34492085
svd were all 1 moa, the new one is .5 moa

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>>34493080
>svd
>ak action

>>34493111
nope, SVD are 0.3 MOA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqfgAFHikg

the new SVDM will better than that

>>34491054
I'm curious what this would cost in America considering the Record with the SV-98 stock was going for 10k.

>>34493083
I meant an ak-12
>>34493089
Why did they killed the Ak-12 ?
Lack of improvements over an ak74 or just russkies being poor ?

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>>34491009
>>34491035
Why the rails? Weight savings?
The advantage to their dovetail mounts were that they were quick detach and you won't loze zero when reattached. Why did they change to rails?

>>34493129
wew semi-auto only with a short stroke
What a difference

Dragunov was hella inventive

>>34492908
>>34492946
I would pay Arsenal SAM7 prices for these. KC getting absolutely fucked by the VRA, sanctions, and the 1989 AWIB.

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>>34493131
youre wrong

>>34493144
More modular and less cumbersome.

>>34493131
...he shoots 0.6 MOA and admits that it's the best group he's ever gotten with that rifle. And it was a four round group. There's no semi automatic rifle in the world capable of consistently shooting quarter MOA.

>>34492093
It was expected to get 1.5 MOA. It was designed from the start as a DMR, not a sniper's rifle.

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>>34493136
Kalashnikov concern is too slow on the AK-12 development
while their rival from Kovrov have complete state test in 2013-2014

so in 2016, KC renamed another gun AK-12 so they can be adopted on time

the original AK-12 is dead

>>34493185
>There's no semi automatic rifle in the world capable of consistently shooting quarter MOA.
You should stop talking about shit you don't know about. The light barrel profile is definitely not going to let it shoot 1/4 MOA 5+ shot groups.

>>34491361
>>34493080
>it's okay for everyone to use AR pattern guns
>but it's not okay for Russians to use Kalashnikov pattern guns

it's almost like Russians gravitate towards what they're familiar with...

>>34493159
I guess by that logic, an m1a and fal are also based on the ak action.

>>34493107

It's the only pic I had

>>34493228
>I don't know what a derivative is

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>>34493144
it is lighter and you can mouth nigh vision tandem with the main sight

>>34493178
>Wikipedia

Also, it is possible for SVDs to shoot under 1MOA, look on the fourms all the guys with Lothar Wather re-barreled SVDs are shooting under 1MOA, same with the guys in Europe who have match barrels installed on their rifles.

The SVD was modernized, can maintain better accuracy out of the slightly shorter (Less barrel whip) and thicker barrel.

Get over it faggot

>>34493185
he shoots a 0.6" group, which is 0.3 MOA, he made a mistake and called the spread MOA without the calculation.

>>34493202
Neither will a heavier barrel. It'll do more for the heat than the accuracy, anyways. Let me say it again in case you missed it. There is no semi automatic rifle in the world capable of consistently shooting quarter MOA. Not with factory ammo, and I do mean match grade factory ammo. You might get close with custom handloads. But I still seriously doubt it.

>>34493185
He said previously in the video that he usually gets 0.7" groups on average with it.

>>34493255
>>34493261
Am I in fucking bizzaroland?

>>34493228
More like saying that the M14 uses a Garand action despite not having a long stroke piston.
Which wouldn't be wrong

>>34493255
>0.6" at 100 yards is 0.3 MOA
wew

>>34493245
>Wikipedia
its not 2005 grandpa, even students are allowed to use wikipedia as a source on research papers now

>it is possible for SVDs to shoot under 1MOA
sure its possible, but not everyone does. The standard the must meat is 1.04 moa, so the svd is a 1 moa rifle

>all the guys with Lothar Wather re-barreled SVDs are shooting under 1MOA
youre beginning to embarrass yourself

>Get over it faggot
get over what? that completely rebuilding a rifle to make it sub moa means that the rifle plateform shoots sub moa? I think you need to get your head checked. Youre like those glock fanboys who say its the best whilst not having any standard parts on their glock. Grow up and be a man

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>>34491361
>SVD
>AK
jesus

>>34493287
>I am an idiot who doesn't know how MOA calculations work

>>34493322
Yes, you are. The > was unnecessary.

>>34493310
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQ0sYSFQXxY
and neither the VSS

>>34493322
Is 0.6" at 100 yards not 0.6 MOA? Or are you talking about only horizontal vs vertical MOA spread? Last I checked, 0.6" is 0.6 MOA at 100 yards.

>>34491035
>DMR
>max effective range for hit probability of 350-400m, max effective range for lethality 200m
>took the only good thing of the VSS, the quality wood stock, and slav'd it up

>>34493307
>meat
double digit iq moron.
and the standard WITH a specific type of ammo is under 1.24moa.

your average svd with reddit shit ammo will be a 3 moa gun

>>34493349
200m is the fighting range in modern warfare

>>34493348
Yes, the guy is fucking retarded

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>>34493359
>its a 1 moa rifle
>but im still right if you use shit ammo
>i promise im smart
>honest

>>34493433
Not even the guy you're replying to but you're a dumbass if you think your online test that told you you're smarter than Einstein is accurate.

>>34493450
einstein isnt exactly the gold standard of intelligence, he was just a theoretical physicist, plenty of people have higher iqs

ps the ravens progressive matrix test isnt online

>>34493239
>>34493284

Ak isn't even short stroke anyway, it's long stroke. There are other differences between them as well. The svd has springs under the handguards to keep pressure off the barrel, and I think one or two more locking lugs than the ak.

>>34493562
In addition, the recoil spring in the SVD hinges from the dust cover, unlike the AK

>>34493329
>>34493348
Fucking dumbasses

You measure the distance of the spread from the CENTER of the farthest spread shots. not from the outside.

When you measure from the outside, that is the spread. You must subtract the bullet diameter (half for each of the farthest shots, making a full diameter subtraction)

7.62x54R has a bullet diameter of 0.311", so you must subtract 0.311" from 0.6" to get the MOA

>>34493632
I wasn't aware anyone measured from the outside of the hole. Why in the hell wouldn't you measure it from the center.

>>34493307
>even students are allowed to use wikipedia as a source on research papers now
What D1 funnel high school allows you to do this, champ?

>>34492946
>no other image found
>MA not in tan
a...anon... post more!

>>34491009
Is the flash hider cut into the barrel?

How does the wrench grab it to install it?

>>34493655
you can't get an accurate reading trying to guess the center of the hole, it is easier to measure from the outside of the spread and then subtract the diameter, which is what is done in the video above, except that he doesn't subtract the bullet diameter and just measures from the outside, the spread, which is 0.6"

That would mean his MOA is 0.3.

>>34493656
i went to kent and brown

>>34493655
shut the fuck up nigger..
>>34493632
finally someone who isn't a faggot.

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>>34493661
that is the only black MA pic i hve

>>34493028
>Kalashnikov is dead in 2013 you know
H-he's just sleeping tovarisch he'll be back later

>>34493349
>VSS
>DMR
Are you dumb

>>34493401

Tell that to the Muslims. Engagements are standard 300 or more. Especially for the DM.

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>>34494340
but Muslim love 9x39

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>>34491009
All that work for a 3 MOA rifle

>>34496681
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiqfgAFHikg
do you even read the thread before posting, faggot

>>34496748
>.31 moa
Wew lad, doubters btfo

>>34493258
What is MR762

>>34493258
>There is no semi automatic rifle in the world capable of consistently shooting quarter MOA.
There are.

>>34493131
>2-3 groups under perfect conditions using a superior scope and high precision ammo

The height of summer.

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>>34493245
>muh aftermarket match grade barrels = all SVD's

>>34491009
Looks like the same old shit with new plastic furniture and integrated accessory rails. I remember 20 years ago when the US was introducing "new" weapons like this.

>>34493144
It's a better system, more modular and secure. Kinda silly to add rails but not change the receiver cover.

>>34491229
They all look probably 10 years younger than they really are.

>>34499891
>out door range
>perfect condition

said the summer fag

>>34499891
do you even watch the video?

the rifle was factory test for .30 MOA

he was just confirmed that test

and what the fuck is non perfect condition? 110 miles per hour wind i guess

>>34499944
Those numbers though.

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>>34491361
Shut the fuck up

>>34499919
the SVD has been using plastic furniture for the last 27 years holy shit you guys are retarded

>>34499891
>superior scope
>cheap chink Primary Arms scope

Pick one newfag

modularity is to the 21st century what self loading was to the 20th century

None of these look very modular, and until Russia (or any other country for that matter) decides that its civilians should have their proper rights and have easy and cheap access to arms then their firearms innovation will be stunted.

>>34499944
alcohol abuse stunts growth

their livers are probably 65 years old though

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>>34491009
>we add rail comrade
>pls buy

This coming from the land that used to be the most active small arms innovator back in the day.
How the mighty have fallen.

Then again, small arms have been a mature technology for a while, it's not like we can expect much more innovation before the next paradigm shift.
But seriously, would it hurt to add LRBHO to the VSS when you're "modernizing?" Yeah, yeah, mag compatibility, I know, but you're gonna rotate these eventually anyway.

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>new
>>34491009
>>34491035
>>34491054