How far behind can you stand behind this and have a reasonable

No idea but reminder those things have an effective range of 50 meters and they're pretty cheap as well

Why aren't we using them more extensively?

>>34471488
50 fucking meters? Holy shit. We should have these things planted everywhere.

>>34471488
>Why aren't we using them more extensively?
cause little bitches get their panties in a knot about "MUH CIVILLIANZ' and 'MUH CHILLINS"
but i say fuck em, civvies frequently aid and abet the enemy and children must be killed lest they grow up and become terrorist insurgents themselves

>>34471438

16 meters is recommended.

>>34471506
I have to agree with this. If there IS anyone left in those areas that are getting ass fucked, they deserve the natural selection they have coming for them anyhow.

>>34471488
>Why aren't we using them more extensively?
There was a scientific paper on this, to answer your question: the chance of killing your own just explodes (pun intended) when you reach a critical number, you want to stay way away from that, also if your enemy is a bit skilled and he knows you place those everywhere, they will look into your patterns and literally steal them and use them against you.

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>>34471438
16 meters is the danger zone.

It's best if you put it right in front of a big tree or telephone pole - reduces the backblast and stray shrapnel vs you while effectively tamping it vs the enemy.

Check out Mini-MPIMS btw - SF uses them, it's like a slightly improved half-size claymore.

>>34471522
This and I think 5 or so was the may be fucked up but should survive fine area

>>34471523
Right. So some autistic man-children come and invade your country, and with no money you're meant to find a new life before getting drone striked?

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>>34471438
16 meters is the general consensus but it also helps to have something between it and you. Sandbags, for instance, may reduce hazards to the user from both the claymore and enemy gunfire.

a stealthy weapon for ambushes should probably not be used extensively.

>>34471542
>Claymore mines are operated by a trigger. They have to have someone present to set them off, unlike remote mines that you drop and leave.
>>34471789
Nobody said life was fair.

>they had to print a warning on the front
Do they allow the mentally impaired in the burger armed forces?

If your in a hole you can be 1-10 meters behind it

This one is more fun, made for lightly armored cars and helis

>>34472257
Yes, as low as a 35 ASVAB score can net you a job with a dangerous weapon or explosive device for the next 4+ years. That's roughly high school dropout level.

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>>34471570
EODfag
>16 metres
Putting them agajnst a tree etcsounds like a good idea, but what it does is the reflected blastwave off the tree disrupts the forward blastwave and the fragmentation doesnt spread evenly.
The original M18 had 2 cloth tabs on either side to tie them to trees, but this was removed on the M18A1 and all the foreign copies when it was discovered in testing

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>>34471570
16m sounds about right
>>34474163
nice to know
i leard to put them on trees

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>>34471438
>pic
Jesus fuck, these things are a lot more potent than I thought.

So how come it doesn't blow evenly forwards and backwards? Is there something dense behind the C4 that "directs" the blast? Does it have something to do with the curvature of the mine?

>>34471438
Just hold it out in front of you with both hands. It'll be alright.

>>34474314
>So how come it doesn't blow evenly forwards and backwards? Is there something dense behind the C4 that "directs" the blast? Does it have something to do with the curvature of the mine?
the mine is for the most part polymere
the fragments are the dangerous part and not the shockwave
the fragments are onely on the front side so the back is relatively safe

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>>34474314
>Jesus fuck, these things are a lot more potent than I thought
the small one
Gewicht: total 2,9 kg
Sprengstoff: 1,5 kg
Einsatzdistanz: bis 50 m
Zielfläche: 50 x 2 m
Total etwa 920 Splitter auf 50 m
4 Splitter je m2
the big one
Gewichte: total 20 kg
Sprengstoff: 9,5 kg
Stativ: 2 kg
Einsatzdistanz: bis 150 m
Zielfläche: 100 x 4 m
Total etwa 1'200 Splitter auf 150 m
2 Splitter je m2

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>>34471438
50x50x2 effective range.

This thing has 150mx100mx4m effective range.

>>34474384
I see, so if there weren't fragments it would have a fairly round/oval kill radius? Thanks

>>34474420
>Total etwa 1'200 Splitter auf 150 m
>2 Splitter je m2

Does this mean 2 fragments per square meter at 150 meters range?

Might not kill you but it will sure as hell fuck up your day, that's an awesome deterrent

>>34474556
this thing will kill you
it is desinged to penetrate LAVs
it doesent contain a fragmentation jacket but rather a wall of 2cm diameter steal balls

>>34474536
yes but dont overestimate the capacity of shockwaves to kill a person
as long as you arent in a closed room you can be closer to explosions than you might thing

>>34474163
Interesting. Makes perfect sense, but we were always taught the tree method. How badly would you say the blast-waves interfere?

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>>34471542
>>34472221

>>34474130
Is there a way to do the test online for non US citizens to look up and compare?

>>34474130
But lets be serious here. Do you really have to be that smart to be a grunt?

No. That's why they are grunts. Id rather have a bunch of rednecks in my squad than a bunch of suburban limp wrists

>>34474445
jesus christ.... do these come in k rail size?

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>>34474314
EODfag
Blastwave shaping and the frag matrix is on the front side only unlike a omnidirectional grenade frag.
Front blastwave spreads out like a fan carrying the frag.
Rear blastwave is focussed inwards so is slightly degraded by interference, but main difference is rear has no frag.
>>34474536
If it was flat or spherical.
>>34474718
Disrupts the even spread of frag, pushing the wave outwards so disperses the frag spread in the main target area, reducing its effectivenesss as aimed into a KZ or to cover a designated area.
>>34474739
The "damngooksturnedmuhclaymore" meme.
Nope. Numbnuts set it backwards despite the label. Some models now have "THIS SIDE towards enemy" because idjits read "Front..." and somehow still think that it means the other side because they are at the back of it reading the label.

>>34471506
>go to country
>set up land mines everywhere
>blow up innocents
>YOU WERE JUST GONNA BE A TERRORIST ANYWAY GOTTA PROTECT AMERICAN FREEDOM

>>34474970
lol, face full of rocks if the airbag goes off

>>34474970
>there are people this dumb that are allowed to drive

>>34474970
i hope she has a collision

>>34471438

anybody have the notice from the USMC about strapping a clay more to the front of a Humvee and wiring the detonator to the wheel being a hazard?

>>34475009
I wouldn't be surprised if their car isn't registered and they have no license... I mean that's the kind of starchild nonsense that leads people to consider that stuff to be a form of slavery.

>>34474970
Oh lord...

>>34475029
that's even worse then, whoever they hit will be fucked

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>>34475024

it went something like
>usmc Humvee observed at return to base
>armed claymore strapped to front end
>detonator zip tied to steering wheel
>muh anti personnel protection
>this puts the marines lives in danger
>the shockwave is kill the passerngers

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>>34471438

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>>34471438
>>34475111

moar...

>>34475120
>...

quit it

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Can you put one on either side of your helmet?

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>>34475130
...

>>34475120
>ball bearings

Aren't ball bearings hardened? The Wiki article claimed the projectiles deform.

EODfag pls help clear this up

>>34471506
Innocent until proven guilty

>>34475176
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hlj4EbdsE

>>34474957
>Republican space rangers

>>34475187

There will always be some deformation due to the explosion

>>34475187
Hardened doesn't mean invincible

>>34471438
60 meters is US mil TM distance

you're talking about a bigass chunk of c4 lined with ball bearings, so if you want a more accurate distance, figure out how much c4 is in a claymore, and how far you need to be away from it to not suffer concussion related injury

kill radius is something like 150m 70 degrees in front

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>>34474957
Where's the problem

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>>34475291
>1Million rounds per min
muh fuckin DICK

>>34474420
Can someone translate? I don't speak arabic...

>>34475291
But why?

>>34476890
Why not?

>>34475316
kek

>>34474420
Zis one has ze 20 millimeter steelball

>LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATURES

>>34471506
We use them semi often, but contrary to popular belief they are triggered with a clacker, not a wire. Still crazy deadly, but you can be pretty close to them from behind since you brace them against a tree or large rock

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>>34476811
Weight: total 2,9 kg, 6.4 lbs
explosive agent: 1,5 kg, 3.3 lbs
effective range: up to 50 m
Target area: 50 x 2 m
Total 920 fragments
4 fragments per m^2

the heavy one
Weight: total 20 kg, 44.1 lbs
explosive agent: 9,5 kg 21 lbs
Tripod : 2 kg, 4.4 lbs
effective range: up to 150 m
Target area: 100 x 4 m
Total 1'200 fragments
2 fragments per m^2

>>34471438
directly behind it

>>34471506
Thank you for your cervix

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>>34475291
Almost enough dakka

>>34472257
It's not a warning.
It doesn't matter if you're retarded or not. Field duty is nothing like office work and that's what you can't comprehend.

If you spill a cup of coffee in the office you may burn a finger. If you setup this shit wrong you may kill a squad which can further make things worse if the enemy engages right then.

This is designed to work with people who are tired in ways you do not understand, cold, hot, hungry, muddy, with thick gloves, at night, or god forbid severed fingers or worse.
Not to mention time constraints. A half starved half asleep grunt taking another 10 seconds remembering which side it should go could cost you.

So yeah printing this little thing on the top for a chance of 1/1000000 that it will do good one time is well worth it. and honestly the likelihood that is stopped a screw up is even higher. It's not like every soldier gets to play with it every day.

That's smart design. the down side is negligible.

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While inna FDF we used to call these Somali-TV

I got to watch one being detonated, pretty wild stuff

>>34471488

Because they are an entirely defensive/ambush related tool and the US is primarily an attacking nation due to global position.

That means about the best you can hope for is to cover a patrol vehicle in a dozen of them in every direction and drive into a nursery.

The real question is why there aren't more of them in use by ISIS in that manner because it'd be better to mountain one to a drone or remote controlled car.

>>34471488
>>34471542
>>34471570
Reason why nobody uses them is because scrubs always put them in the same place, and you can run in front of one, do a quick 180 and run back before they blow up

>>34477264
This. They're good for setting up ambushes and various forms of area denial, but they're not just set-and-forget like proper landmines. I mean, it'd be child's play to rig them that way, but anything both effective and economical is probably a war crime, and this is no exception

>>34471488
Because they are used to defend perimeters and to kick off ambushes. They are not useful when attacking, patrolling, or conducting a raid, which we are often doing.

>>34471506
George w. Bush spotted

>>34475187

Wiki says the originally used bearings but then switched to softer material that would deform into a better shape when fired.

>>34474788
>Do you really have to be that smart to be a grunt?

A LIVE grunt?

Absolutely.

It's not the fucking 19th century anymore where you line up your morons and march them straight at the enemy morons lined up across from you. Initiative and competent low-level leadership wins fights, which in turn can win battles and wars.

You need to be smart if you want to fight, win, and live.

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>>34477264
>not priming all of your claymores with det cord so you can blow them all at the same time using ring or line mains and nonel firing systems, or so you can leave behind drop claymores on time systems if you ever need to unass the AO while being followed by a shit-ton of angry Haj

Amateurs....