When will 9mm faggots graduate to a caliber with superior stopping

>>34468239

Would you let me enrage you while I talk about how I unironically love hi-points painted like the LA Lakers and then as your mouth froths and you go crosseyed with anger, allow me to put a 9mm round into you? We could see if it stops you.

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Handgun bullets wound by poking holes. The bullet which makes the biggest hole while still sufficiently penetrating would thereby be the best. Due to the caliber and weight of the projectile no standard (I'll include 10 for shits and gigs) caliber produces hollow points which expand larger than the 45.

Due to the relatively slow velocity the petals of the HP do no immediately peel back all the way thereby creating a larger permanent cavity than say a 9mm +p+. Like 9 & 40, 45 benefits from high levels of r&d by the major ammo manufacturers and has access to the best HPs.

Expansion diameter across most hollow point brands is roughly 33% larger than 9. Though neither are particularly wide it should be remembered that the final width is smaller than when the HP is fully opened up, prior to the petals peeling back. Permanent cavities 1.5 to 1.75 inches in width are not uncommon.


>that being said

Though 45 is superior to 9 & 40, (and perhaps 10 though no concrete testing has been done), it also has drawbacks that must be considered. Namely

>capacity

and to a lesser extent

>recoil

It should be remembered that even the venerable glock has shown reliability issues with 10mm, and most other 10s have fairly substandard capacity, bulky size and weight, and fairly slow follow up shots due to muzzle rise.

Please visit this site to make your own conclusions:

http://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

9mm is for fucking women, numales and asians who have small hands and can't shoot anything with more recoil. 9mm is a dirty Yuropoor-made caliber for their effiminate men.

The 10mm is a bear stopping round.

If it were up to me I would ban anybody who can't shoot a 10mm from ever owning guns.

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>>34468239

>>34468239
.44 cap and ball masterrace

>>34468239
Probably because their shot placement isn't as shit as yours.

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>>34468239
I'm so sick of the only example of self defense against someone is either
a) Enraged (sometimes roided) nigger
b) Guy high on PCP/Bath Salts
There's never a middle or low ground with you guys like
c) Average fucking joe who's just looking to rob/assault someone

>>34468239
>He thinks handguns can actually kill somebody
You should be using no less than .50BMG for home defense. Anything else will take time to kill someone

>>34468239
something something Mozambique drill

>>34468316
No troll here.
>and to a lesser extent
>recoil

Whats up with me being able to group better during the mozambique better with my 45 than 9mm? Familiarization? Or recoil anticipation? I know you cant visually critique just kind wonder off your post

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>first gun was a .45
>bought 9mm(s)
>mfw I shoot .45 better than 9mm
I feel the .45 is more comfy when shooting also. Is this odd?

>>34468578
>.50BMG is sufficient for home defense
When will 12.7mm faggots graduate to a caliber with superior stopping power? I can't sleep without my 20mm on the nightstand.

This was posted in an earlier thread:
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9fd_1499286996

>mfw /k/ users advocate that any round weaker than 9mm is completely ineffective for that purpose while simultaneously arguing that there is no difference in effectiveness between 9mm, 10mm, and .44 Magnum.

>>34468239
I always wonder why people who make these threads care. You do you.

>>34468316
That's all cute and all, but I'm not going to bother trying to conceal carry a fucking .45 when I can shove a 10+1 p2000sk iwb and wear almost literally any shirt that simply reaches my belt line.

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>>34468659
There may be minute differences in the two cartridges, but the one you're better with is the better one, full stop. A theoretical advantage in some area does not trump your actual advantage of experience and user comfort.

>>34468683
True, anon. But is there any reason why I'm better with the seemingly larger caliber than a smaller? I bought the 9mm quite quickly after I my first purchase. I think I'm going to focus back on the caliber I'm better at. Was just curious if a known reason.

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>>34468316
Buffalo bore makes .45 and 10mm that go supersonic. Hydroshock and fast expa sion for a dollar a round.

I also remember some company that made 10mm projectiles that dump all its energy 1/4" the way in with a permanent cavity like a 12g

Cant remember if they were frangible or not.

>>34468694
Maybe you're just more used to the gun or kick from 45 and 9mm feels different. "Different" is enough to throw you off, especially if you started out on 45. You could have an idea in your head that 45 is how a pistol "should feel" and 9mm doesn't feel like that. You may do just fine with 9mm, and with practice even get good with it, but at the moment it sounds like 45 is your "home court."

>>34468720
Thanks. Think you're right I'll keep shooting with both but .45 be home court. Eventually I'd like to start shooting with opposite hand just in case. Taking my permit class next month or so hence wanting to decide on what to focus more on.

>shoot chunk of lead at human body from tube held with human hand
>impact affected by thousands of variables
>sometimes people die right away
>sometimes people brush off serious damage
You roll 1d20 for hit with any weapon, regardless of strength.

Also:
>muh violent druggies
Literally fudd myths from people that have never done drugs and think the bath salts are out to make homeless people eat them

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Anyone know of an instance of someone being shot with these memeceptor rounds. The .45s move at 1310 fps according to the box

>>34468733
.45 kick has been described as more of a smooth push as opposed to the more snappy recoil of 9mm. Whether or not it recoils more is debatable, but you may find the way it recoils specifically to be more controllable. It may also be a difference in the firearms you use - grip size, texture, weight, recoil spring, etc.

Try as many pistols as you can. As much as people like to argue between "20 shots of 9mm is the bare minimum to kill somebody!" and "you need .44mag to stop a raging roid-nigger!", the most effective firearm is the one that you are most comfortable firing and especially carrying. The best gun is the one that's going to put holes in your target and the one that you'll have with you when it comes time to do that.

>>34468761
the most effective firearm is the one that you are most comfortable firing and especially carrying
Truth. There is a direct impact on how often you carry depending on how large your gun is and how much it weighs.
Lighter smaller guns are more likely to be carried. The heavy ones aren't. That doesn't mean a heavy .45ACP isnt a likely carry caliber, it's just heavier on your belt to have a large caliber handgun and usually larger than your average single stack 9mm.

>>34468879
>the most effective firearm is the one that you are most comfortable firing and especially carrying
I fucked up the green text

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>>34468239
I finally got to the bottom of this once and for all by watching every documentary on jewtube about meth and PCP and the verdict is in.

Apparently meth and PCP dont actually make people stronger, however what the seeming cause of their superhuman abilities are is that drugs that are that powerful completely shutdown their brains response to pain, so theyre able to flex muscles past their breaking point, get stabbed, shot, whatever and apparently nothing can stop them other than complete and utter exhaustion of their energy supply or until the drug wears off naturally. So the point is if someones high on one of these drugs and mentally unstable/violent theres no way you can get them to stop without having enough "stopping power" to literally physically incapacitate them. So in they end if they decide to come at you they will be like the fucking terminator and destroy you unless you are able to destroy them or get away because they have zero response to pain.

>TL;DR 9mm probably isnt enough to stop a grown man whos high on meth or PCP so plan accordingly

.357 fag here, I wouldn't trust anything less powerful than that unless it were a fatter bullet. .357 will stop any sonofabitch in their tracks, and if it doesn't then the incendiary round will.

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>>34468338
>REEE STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE

>>34468946
Nigger I don't care are how high you are when I put two in your lungs and one in your face you're not going much further

>>34468661
>20mm
You faggot numale, grow some balls and get a 30mm. Or do you want to get butt raped by Jamal?

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>>34468985
Not necessarily, one of the vids on YT has a guy whos had his entire abdomen slashed horizontally (like a foot long gash) and all of his guts are just hanging out (hes walking around naked in public) and he doesnt even notice for like the first minute of filming until this woman keeps screaming at him over n over that his guts are out and hes dying and then only after a minute of screaming at him (and who knows how long ago it happened before filming) does he even realize his guts are hanging out and starts trying to stuff them back in and "calm down" from what he was doing. So again, you didnt listen to what I said in the first post. Also in this video(below) theres one person who was shot by a .40 twice in the chest and the bullets only penetrate half way through his chest cavity and he survives, and the people who get shot by 9mm barley react and continue walking around, sitting down, standing up, etc and survive and theyre not on any drugs so yea watch all that shit if you have time and youll see what I mean or take my word by either way shits fucked bruh.
https://youtu.be/tku8YI68-JA

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>>34469029

>>34468239
.380 was all i needed when someone tried to mug me

>>34468373
>Average fucking joe

I think you mean average fucking Jayquon.

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>>34469095
So in my expert opinion Id say the lowest to go in an area that has any real potential for danger would be .40 FMJ (not JHP) or better.

>>34469204
.40 has shit ballistics though?

>>34469209
Taking into account concealability, cost, recoil, etc.

>>34469220
Fair enough.

.357 is a great defense caliber boys. Police departments keep track of this shit through statistics analysis, and apparently .357 has one of the highest lethality ratings when used in shootouts. Go figure.

>>34469224
.357 tears shit up but apparently revolvers can easily become unusable if the cylinder gets hit against something too hard or dropped and become completely unusable until you can get it serviced so Id get a Coonan or some other semi-auto if I EDC'd .357 personally, also no snubbies because they reduce the velocity too much.

>>34469244
Fuck snubs dude. I like to actually be able to control where the rounds go. inb4 git gud, with self defense in 2017 I don't want to take any chances.

And yeah, a Coonan .357 is a pretty cool bet, its design screams 'gun' as well, so minorities who see you draw it are more likely to start running.

>>34469244
I don't know from where you're getting your information, but what you described is not an issue on a revolver made by a quality manufacturer. To give you one example that I know personally, as part of their LE product demos back in the day, Ruger actually would repeatedly throw their Security Six revolvers against concrete and drive over them before picking them up and shooting them with no problems.

>Coonan or some semi-auto .357

Your only common options are the Coonan that you mentioned or a Desert Eagle. The Coonan is 3x as expensive as a service revolver, 2x as expensive as an N-frame with the same capacity, and doesn't have a firing pin block. The Desert Eagle in .357 is an extremely ammunition sensitive jam-o-matic on par with a Ring of Fire POS.

>>34469285
Oh just conjecture Ive heard a few times online. I think you basically get what you pay for for the most part whether its a semiauto or a revolver.

>>34468676
I can do the same with a glock 30. Same capacity too.

Unless they find the slug, surgeons and coroners can't tell which caliber hit somebody. That's because most pistol calibers do the same exact fucking thing when they hit somebody.

>>34468712

Sounds like you're thinking of Glaser rounds.

>>34468239
My favorite round is .357 mag.
My HD is a .45 1911.
My favorite tactical pistol round is .357 Sig but ammo is too uncommon for serious emergency use.
Most of my pistols are 9mm because I know I can always find ammo. My CCF Raceframe G17L is almost like an SMG. I have 33rds to work with. Anything worth shooting once is worth shooting twice.

>>34468316
>and to a lesser extent
>recoil
In a 45acp? Have you ever shot one? That has to be the only caliber that is not just fun to shoot, but is genuinely pleasant to shoot.

And when is the capacity meme going to fucking die? Unless you are part of a shitty PD that trains to ammo dump instead of being accurate you are NEVER going to need 15+ rounds, because if you genuinely need that many you should have a rifle instead.

Tangent! What is it with 9mm fags who talk shit about capacity, then get a compact that holds 6 rounds?

>>34468744
if you dont think you are more physically capable on drugs you are a fucking idiot. You are stronger, have much more energy, much higher pain tolerance and it affects your behavior in a way that makes you assume you are more physically capable. I am a lazy good for nothing skinny potbelly who literally never physically exercises unless forced and I could easily ruck 20 miles on three hits of lsd AND BE HAPPY ABOUT IT I know because I did it and intensely regretted it for a week but at the time I experienced no discomfort. One time on shrooms I chopped so much fucking wood from midnight till dawn I wanted to go to the emergency room the next day when I woke up because my chest was purple but at the time I LITERALLY FELT NO FATIGUE

>carry p329 in .357sig
>ammo fairly uncommon where I live and expensive

why live

>>34470306
How does the recoil of .357 SIG compare to .40?

>>34470367

Noticeably less in my experience. You're getting an all-around better cartridge, too; the only aspect in which the Sig isn't an improvement is capacity (duh).

>>34468676
HK45c is a great option

>>34470227
45 generally has more muzzle rise than 9mm. Neither are particularly difficult to shoot quickly hence the

>to a lesser extent

And capacity is always an advantage. Though you're on the money with 9mm fags only carrying g43s or shields

>>34468669
they're bored at work and want to see a 250 reply meme-off of false rage. It's the YLYL of /k/.

>>34470392
well they make a p320 compact in .357 sig so that's 13 rounds for conceal carry

>>34468239
I love 147gr 9mm.

I also like 125gr .38 Special, but that's due to my primary revolver being a snub.

>>34470538

Fucking go for if you want, bro. I've always carried 9mm for the most part, but I really enjoyed shooting my old G32. I would recommend trying the round out in a rental or a friend's gun before buying, though, just in general.

>>34468239

>When will 9mm faggots graduate to a caliber with superior stopping power?
When the groupthink they listen to tells them to, because they literally have no thoughts of their own.

>>34468338
>10 mm is a bear stopping round

Know how I know you don't live in grizzly country?

>>34469244

9mm 124 grain +p+ golden sabers have a 5% less frequent one shot stop rate to the best 357 if I remember right. Right now they're clocking ~1330 fps out of my glock 34.

>>34471268
Are Glocks even rated to shoot +p+?

>>34470970
You know how can I tell you don't?
https://www.google.com/amp/www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2016/08/dean-weingarten/alaskan-hiker-stops-charging-brown-bear-at-6-feet-with-10mm-handgun/amp/

>>34468661
>>34468999
>these motherfuckers still use guns

Buy a TOW, boom boom >>> pew pew.

If you're poor, buy a surplus Shillelagh missile at a pawn shop or something.

>>34468373
The thread is about the worst case scenario. If you want to prepare for the middle ground go ahead and carry nothing since 99% of people don't carry and will still be fine.

>>34468744
A real man uses a concealed lahti AT gun and rolls 8d20 for damage

>>34471344

Nope.
Can void your warranty.

>>34471344

9mm, well kind of but not officially since there is no saami official 9mm +p+ pressure. They're proofed to something like 1000 rounds at 50k PSI so it should be fine.

If not, chances are I'll be close enough to my attacker for the glock brand glocknade to stop him

>>34471561
Ive heard cases of 9mm +p+ blowing up Glocks so Id only use it for self defense or just be careful.

Are there any online discussions more autistic than those of handgun caliber preferences?

>>34468373

If you put .22lr into someone's forehead it doesn't matter what they're on.

>>34471388
>2017 and not having your own mass driver